CP Addition: Margaret, wife of (1) Sir John Deiville and (2)

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CP Addition: Margaret, wife of (1) Sir John Deiville and (2)

Legg inn av Gjest » 24 sep 2004 08:46:03

Thursday, 23 September, 2004



Hello All,

The account in Complete Peerage for Sir John Deiville [or d'Eiville] of
Egmanton, co. Notts. and Adlingfleet, co. Yorks. (d. 1325/26) says only the
following concerning his second wife (notes from CP included in cite):

' He m., 2ndly, Margaret. (c) He d. (1325-6) 19 Edw. II.(d)
His widow m., before Michaelmas 1326,(e) as 2nd wife, Sir Adam
de Everingham, of Laxton, Notts. [Lord Everingham], who d.
shortly before 8 May 1341.(f) '

Notes: ' (c) By a fine, levied in the quinzaine of St. John the
Baptist 17 Edw. II, John Deyville conveyed the manor
of Egmanton - except a mill, &c. - to himself,
Margaret his wife, and Joan their da., and the heirs
of the same Margaret. (Feet of Fines, case 184, file
24, no. 225).
(d) Petition, in Parl. Rolls, vol. ii, p. 389.
(e) De Banco, Mich., 20 Edw. II, m. 403
(f) Ch. Inq. p.m. (on Adam de Everyngham of Laxton),
Edw. III, file 65, no. 8. See EVERINGHAM. ' [1]


There is nothing added under the account of the Lords Everingham as to
the origins of Margaret [2]. However, evidence has been found in documents
transcribed on the PRO website which, together with information provided in
CP and other sources, has made it possible to propose a solution to this
problem.

1. Based solely on the information provided in CP, we know that
Joan Deiville, only known child of Sir John Deiville and Margaret,
was born before 9 July 1324: the fine noted in CP IV:133, note (c)
involving Egmanton, co. Notts. (which included Joan in the
conveyance) was levied in the quinzaine of St. John the Baptist
17 Edw. II - that is, between 24 June 1324 and 9 July 1324.
We can surmise reasonably that, given a near-normal pregnancy
and observance of the social niceties prior to the wedding, Sir
John and Margaret were married no later than say October 1323,
and likely somewhat before.

2. As previously posted to SGM, documents from the East Riding of
Yorkshire Archives and Records Service indicate that Sir John
Deiville had an interest in certain lands in Cundall, co. Yorks.:
In particular, of the three extracts given below, the first has
Sir John convey his lands in Cundall to Alexander de Ledes and
his wife Elizabeth on 14 October 1321; following which, the same
Alexander de Ledes and his wife demised the same lands [with
virtually the exact same witnesses as the earlier gift] some
5 months later, on 12 March 1321/22, to John Deiville "for his
wife" [3]. This pair of transactions is what we would
expect to see in the conveyance of lands for the dower of a
new wife. This could not have been his first wife Agnes: their
son Robert Deiville was born some time before 1310 [4].

Based upon the foregoing, we can place the marriage of Sir John Deiville
and his second wife Margaret as occurring probably after 14 October 1321, and
no later than 12 March 1321/22. This would extend the 'range' of a probable
birth date for Joan Deiville, to (A) no earlier than say July 1322, and (B)
most likely between December 1322 and July 1324.

3. As important, if not more so, as establishing the chronology set
forth above, the terms of the conveyance of the land of Cundall
in March 1321/22 by Alexander de Ledes and his wife Elizabeth to
John Deiville and his wife Margaret placed the Deivilles in the
position of tenants, with Margaret retaining dower in the property:

A. The demise to Sir John and his wife was of "all their town
of Cundale near Thorneton super Swale RENDERING 1d YEARLY"
{see text below, note [3. C.]}.

B. Following the death of Sir John Deiville, and Margaret's
remarriage to Sir Adam de Everingham [before 29 September
1326 - see CP IV:133, note (e)], we find that Sir Adam and
Margaret retained the remainder of the third part of
Cundall, as evidenced in a concord (sometime between 1326
and 1341) between Alexander de Ledes [son of the elder
Alexander] and his wife Margaret, as plaintiffs, and a
deforciant [5].

It is evident from the gift and subsequent demise of the land of Cundall,
back to Sir John Deiville ' for his wife ', and the holding of a third part
of Cundall by Margaret (and her new husband Adam de Everingham) of the
younger Alexander de Ledes in dower, that there is a familial connection
between Margaret and Alexander de Ledes. In an earlier post on the subject
[6], the uncertainty as to the chronology, especially as relates to the de
Ledes family, led me to surmise a possible Darell connection for Margaret.
However, after reviewing the account of Sir Alexander de Ledes in "Knights
of Edward I" [7], it is now apparent that the wife of (1) Sir John Deiville
and (2) Sir Adam de Everingham was Margaret de Ledes, daughter of Sir
Alexander de Ledes, probably by his wife Elizabeth (reportedly Elizabeth
Darell, daughter of Marmaduke Darell of Sessay and sister of Sir William
Darell of Sessay [8]).

In addition to the foregoing evidence and supportive chronology, there
is additional onomastic evidence. Sir Adam de Everingham evidently had
several sons by his 2nd wife Margaret de Ledes, as indicated by several fines
involving lands in Fairburn and Sherburn, co. Yorks. (possibly of the
maritagium of Margaret, although it appears that the Birkin inheritance of
the Everingham family also included lands in both Fairburn and Sherburn).
Among the names given for those sons, we find (1) Robert, evidently named
for Sir Adam's father Robert de Everingham, and (2) Alexander de Everingham,
evidently named for his maternal grandfather Sir Alexander de Ledes [9].


Robert de Leeds Marmaduke Darell of Sessay
I I
I I
Sir Alexander de Ledes = Elizabeth [Darell ?]
of Kirkby, Gipton & c. I
fl. ca. 1250/60 - 1325/30 I
___________________________I________
I I
I I <2> <1>
Alexander = Margaret 1) John = Margaret = 2) Adam de = Clarice
de Ledes I d'Eyvill I [de Ledes] I Everingham I [La WARRE]
fl. ca. I d. 1325/26 I b.ca. 1295- I fl. 1279- I d. aft
1290/95 I I 1305 I 1341 I 1321
1290/95- I _______I _____________I_____________ I_____
aft 1342 I I I I I I I
V I Robert Edmund Alexander Nicholas I
I I
I I
I ______________________________I
I I
Joan d'Eyvill = Sir Adam de Everingham
fl. ca. 1323-1378 I fl. ca. 1307 - 1387/88
I
I
*
V

* The additional ancestry provided by this identification affects a wide
ranging number of descendants, including several list members (between Great
Britain and New Zealand a pretty wide geographic range), many 17th century
colonial emigrants, not to mention the late Queen Mother, the late Princess
of Wales, and not least of all Alfred, Lord Tennyson.

I will post additional PRO documentation concerning Sir Alexander de
Ledes and his family shortly. Anyone having additional relevant
documentation, comment or criticism is certainly encouraged to chime in.

Cheers,

John *





NOTES

[1] CP IV:133 and notes (c)-(f), sub _Deiville_ .

[2] CP V:188, sub _Everingham_ .

[3] PRO, East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service:
Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/111 - DDCC/135]:

A. Reference: DDCC/130/5
Letter of Attorney

Creation dates: 28 Sep 1321

John son of Sir John de Eynill of Egmanton to William le Warener of Cundale,
property: to deliver seisin to Alexander of Ledes and wife Elizabeth of a
place of land and wood called Lytelapelgath and of 2 ac. adjacent land to
the N. in Cundale, with power to enclose Given at Thorneton super Swale.


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B. Reference: DDCC/130/6
Gift

Creation dates: 14 Oct 1321

John son of Sir John de Eynill lord of Egmanton to Alexander de Ledes and wife
Elizabeth, property: all his town of Cundale near Thornton super Swale and
all appurtenances in demesne as far as the boundary between Cundale and
Thornton called Heggebeck Witn. Sir John Marmion, Sir John de Walkyngham, Sir
Robert Coyners, Sir Robert de Plompton, Sir Richard de Bernyngham, Sir Robert
de Waddeslay, Sir William Darell, William de Eskelby, William de Cundale,
Warner, John de Wynnemer, John de Mauneby, Robert le Fissher. Given at
Cundale, Seal, armorial on a fess between 4 fleurs-de-lys, 2 fleurs-de-lys.


=================================================================

C. Reference: DDCC/130/7
Demise

Creation dates: 12 Mar. 1321/2

Alexander de Ledes and wife Elizabeth to Sir John de Eynill, lord of Egmanton,
for his wife, property: all their town of Cundale near Thorneton super Swale
Rendering 1d yearly. Given at Cundale Witn. Sir John Marmyun, Sir John de
Walkyngham, Sir Robert Coyners, Sir Robert de Plumton, Sir Richard de
Bernyngham, Sir Robert de Waddeslay, William de Eskelby, William de Cundale
Warener, John de Wymmer, John de Manneby, Robert le Fissher. Seal, armorial,
on a fess between four fleurs-de-lys, two fleurs-de-lys.


=================================================================


[4] Robert Deiville had respite of knighthood from 23 September 1324
until Christmas 1325 - he likely was born before 1308, assuming he
must have been 16 years of age or more if he was given respite at
that date. Further, his marriage to Margaret de Holebeche is noted
as occurring before May 1321. [CP IV:133 and notes (g)-(i)]


[5] PRO, East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service:
Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/111 - DDCC/135]:

D. Reference: DDCC/130/3
Final Concord

Creation dates: Easter (1311?) [sic] **Erroneous Date**

Alexander de Ledes and wife Margaret (by their attorney Peter de Richemond)
plaintiffs, and Boniface de Ledes deforceant, property: manors of Thorneton
super Swale, Cundale, Kyrkeby super Moram, Ledes and Gypton, with 5
messuages, 6 bovates and 7 ac. land and 60 ac. wood in Mideby and Letteby A.
and M. to have manors of Ledes, Gipton and Kyrkeby, and two parts of the
manors of Thornton and Cundale and their appurtenances (except 6 messuages,
7 tofts, 23 bovates and 32 land and 29 ac. meadow in the manors of Kyrkeby
and the two parts of the manors of Thornton and Cundale); and they shall
also have the remainders of the third part of the manors of Thornton and
Cundale, and of specified property in those manors and in Kyrkeby on deaths
of tenants (Adam de Everingham and wife Margaret, Robert de Stokesle and
wife Adeline, Thomas de Fencotes, Thomas de Vallibus chaplain, Nicholas de
Hewyk, Geoffrey de Lutterworth and wife Beatrix, William de Popelton, Robert
de Ellerton, John son of Alan de Brafeford, William de Herneby and wife
Mariot).

** The date assigned in the transcript, noted as being uncertain, is
clearly in error (Sir Adam de Everingham and Margaret not having
married earlier than 1326). See the following letter of attorney
(E) involving the younger Alexander de Ledes, dated in 1342:


=================================================================


E. Reference: RCHY 3/2/17
Creation dates: 1342/3 8 Feb
Language: Latin

(1) William Darel of ?Seisray [?Sessay], knight

(2) Master ---- of Toppecliff, chaplain

(3) Alexander de ?Lede and Margaret his wife

Letter of attorney from (1) to (2) to deliver seisin to (3) of lands in the
town and territory of Cundale [Cundall] which (3) gave to (1). Given at
Seisray on Saturday after the Purification of the B.V.M.

Seal missing; fragile


[6] John P. Ravilious, <Re: Possible Identification of Margaret, wife of
John D'Eiville ( & c.)>, SGM, 18 August 2004.


[7] From "Knights of Edward I" II:26 [Vol. 81 of the HSP series]:

" LEDES, Sr Alexander de, Kt. Coroner in Yorks. 14 SEp. 1288 (C.R.).
Sr Alex. de L., Kt., witnesses charter of Isabella C'ss of Aumale
and Devon, 1 Dec. 1291 (P.R.). Sum'd to serve agst. Scots 1 Mar
1296 (P.W.). Protection, staying in Scotland for K. 5 Oct. 1296,
and again, going to Court of Rome for K. with Henry, E. of Lincoln,
16 Oct. 1300, and in 1303 and 1305 (P.R.). Order to elect Coroner
for Yorks. vice him, who is Sheriff of Dumbarton, and cannot attend
to the office, 26 June 1297 (C.R.). Pardon of homicide for his
services in Scotland 15 June 1302. Accused with his bro. John of
assault and robbery at Boulton, Yorks., 6 Oct. 1310, and with his
bro. Roger at Kyrkeby on the moor, Yorks., 20 June 1311 (P.R.).
A lord of Kirkby, Langthorn, and Bolton, Yorks., 5 Mar. 1316 (P.W.).
He seeks to replevy his lands at Bolton by Wath, taken for default,
21 Sep. 1321 (C.R.). Lic. to alienate lands at Allerton Gledhow,
Yorks., to Kirkstall Abbey, 12 Aug. 1325 (P.R.). "


[8] The IGI record of Elizabeth Darell, wife of Alexander de 'Ledis',
indicates that she was born ca. 1298, and was the daughter of Sir
William Darell and Joan de Holtby. This placement is clearly in
error due to faulty chronology, with Elizabeth being paired with
the younger Alexander de Ledes, her (presumably non-Oedipal) son.


[9] CP V:188, notes.

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