Dymoke (OT)

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Clagett, Brice

Dymoke (OT)

Legg inn av Clagett, Brice » 21 sep 2004 20:24:47

The office of King's champion of England was performed by
members of the Dymoke family from the 14th century at least
down to the coronation of George IV in 1821. After that the
coronation banquet, at which the office was performed, was
abandoned. I have seen vague reports, however, that the title
of King's champion is still recognized in some sense and that
some role for him may have been incorporated in the coronation
in 1953. Does any one know?

Peter Stewart

Re: Dymoke (OT)

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 22 sep 2004 00:41:25

Clagett, Brice wrote:
The office of King's champion of England was performed by
members of the Dymoke family from the 14th century at least
down to the coronation of George IV in 1821. After that the
coronation banquet, at which the office was performed, was
abandoned. I have seen vague reports, however, that the title
of King's champion is still recognized in some sense and that
some role for him may have been incorporated in the coronation
in 1953. Does any one know?

A Court of Claims was convened in October 1952 to review these matters,
but the various claims to service outside Westminster Abbey were
exlcuded from consideration. The champion's theatrics had been enacted
in Westminster Hall.

In recognition of his family's colourful former role, a Captain Dymoke
was appointed to carry the Union Standard at the coronation service. He
conducted himself with modern decorum, didn't wear full armour, and
didn't throw down his gage.

Peter Stewart

Peter Bales

Re: Dymoke (OT)

Legg inn av Peter Bales » 22 sep 2004 04:09:18

Hi Brice,

Are you related to the Dymokes as I have some information on this line as a
collateral branch - from when a William Harris married the dau of Edward
Dymoke (died 12/9/1760) Kings Champion of Scrivelsby (and sister of his
heir, her brother John).

The actual wedding of my William was a double with brother & sister John &
Elizabeth Dymoke both marrying on the same day in the same church?

Let me know if I can help

Peter
Syd Aust
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The office of King's champion of England was performed by
members of the Dymoke family from the 14th century at least
down to the coronation of George IV in 1821. After that the
coronation banquet, at which the office was performed, was
abandoned. I have seen vague reports, however, that the title
of King's champion is still recognized in some sense and that
some role for him may have been incorporated in the coronation
in 1953. Does any one know?

______________________________

Peter Bales

Re: Dymoke (OT)

Legg inn av Peter Bales » 22 sep 2004 11:31:37

The last "Kings Champion" in the Dymoke line was Henry Dymoke son of John
Dymoke (brother of the former Kings Champion Lewis Dymoke who died
12/5/1820)

As stated the last time a Dymoke (or anybody else that I'm aware of )
performed these duties was as stated on the 19th of July 1821 at the
coronation of George the IV. From what I know the position became extinct
when Henry died on the 28th April 1865.

He does not appeared to have performed these duties at either the coronation
of William the IV or Victoria?

Peter
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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: Dymoke (OT)


Clagett, Brice wrote:
The office of King's champion of England was performed by
members of the Dymoke family from the 14th century at least
down to the coronation of George IV in 1821. After that the
coronation banquet, at which the office was performed, was
abandoned. I have seen vague reports, however, that the title
of King's champion is still recognized in some sense and that
some role for him may have been incorporated in the coronation
in 1953. Does any one know?

A Court of Claims was convened in October 1952 to review these matters,
but the various claims to service outside Westminster Abbey were
exlcuded from consideration. The champion's theatrics had been enacted
in Westminster Hall.

In recognition of his family's colourful former role, a Captain Dymoke
was appointed to carry the Union Standard at the coronation service. He
conducted himself with modern decorum, didn't wear full armour, and
didn't throw down his gage.

Peter Stewart

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The Bibliographer

Re: Dymoke (OT)

Legg inn av The Bibliographer » 23 sep 2004 23:26:22

In article <007f01c4a038$59d28c80$b555d5cb@default>,
Peter Bales <bales14@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Are you related to the Dymokes
The office of King's champion of England was performed by
members of the Dymoke family from the 14th century at least
down to the coronation of George IV in 1821. After that the
coronation banquet, at which the office was performed, was
abandoned. I have seen vague reports, however, that the title
of King's champion is still recognized in some sense and that
some role for him may have been incorporated in the coronation
in 1953. Does any one know?

.... and, of course, George Washington was descended from Frances Dymoke.


--
Regards, Frank Young
tipcat@wam.umd.edu 703-527-7684
Post Office Box 2793, Kensington, Maryland 20891
"Videmus nunc per speculum in aenigmate... Nunc cognosco ex parte"

Francisco Antonio Doria

Re: Dymoke (OT)

Legg inn av Francisco Antonio Doria » 24 sep 2004 14:16:18

I recall having seen a photograph of a Dymoke
described as The Queen's Champion in some magazine on
the 1953 celebrations.

fa

--- The Bibliographer <tipcat@wam.umd.edu> escreveu:
In article <007f01c4a038$59d28c80$b555d5cb@default>,
Peter Bales <bales14@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Are you related to the Dymokes
The office of King's champion of England was
performed by
members of the Dymoke family from the 14th
century at least
down to the coronation of George IV in 1821.
After that the
coronation banquet, at which the office was
performed, was
abandoned. I have seen vague reports, however,
that the title
of King's champion is still recognized in some
sense and that
some role for him may have been incorporated in
the coronation
in 1953. Does any one know?

... and, of course, George Washington was descended
from Frances Dymoke.


--
Regards, Frank Young

tipcat@wam.umd.edu
703-527-7684
Post Office Box 2793, Kensington,
Maryland 20891
"Videmus nunc per speculum in aenigmate... Nunc
cognosco ex parte"







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