Hello to everyone,
I am looking for a work (or some works) which describes in much details,
the *transition* from the middle ages (or in fact, the *dark* ages as
being so in many aspects) to the Renaissance, regarding the political,
economic, social, and cultural transformations. And also, regarding the
nature, origin, and the goals of the reformation act of the Renaissance.
I'll be very thankful if you provide the titles of a number of books and
researches done on that direction which you find serious and valuable.
Also, if you know of any available Ebooks, in some place, that would be
very appreciated.
Thank you very much,
--
Maysara
seeking medieval-Renaissance transition research
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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marshall kirk
Re: seeking medieval-Renaissance transition research
I'm not clear what you mean by "the reformation act of the
Renaissance." Not the Protestant Reformation, surely? (Tho' if that
*is* what you mean, many people here could sum up the main points
*re*: its "nature, origin, and goals" in two or three paragraphs.
Altho' there are whole shelves of books on the subject, the rest is
commentary.)
Do you have access to a good library? If so, the best way (IMO) to
approach such a question is simply to find out, thru the catalog,
which range of call numbers deals with the Renaissance, go to the
appropriate shelves, and browse thru book after book after book. On
any particular facet of this extremely broad matter, you'll find
almost as many opinions and interpretations as there are historians.
You might as well familiarize yourself with the range of opinions, and
select those that seem most reasonable and well supported to you.
BTW, the Dark Ages, by convention, precede, and are separate from, the
Middle Ages. All such divisions are, however -- as someone else here
has implied -- artificial. Cultures change continually in a variety
of ways; sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, but little is static for
any length of time.
A major problem is that you've defined several lifetimes' worth of
historical study when you allude to the "political, economic, social,
and cultural" changes from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance.
Another is that the Renaissance was in no way a unitary phenomenon in
timing or content -- it took different forms in different cultures at
different times -- and only rather general statements could reasonably
be made about it *as a whole*. Yet another is that historians tend to
specialize in particular regions and periods, and most won't give you,
individually, a very broad overview. Still another is that for some
decades, it's been academically fashionable to emphasize historical
continuity above drastic change. (Tho' I may be behind the times
here. Perhaps a counterreaction has by now set in?)
What, specifically, are you trying to find out? Something about your
question seems to suggest a student who's been set a sizable paper
(say, a thesis), and has selected a very general topic area, but
hasn't yet pared it down to anything like manageable scope.
Does the ".hk" perhaps signify Hong Kong?
meeso <maysaraomar@yahoo.com.hk> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.09.12.05.17.46.711752@yahoo.com.hk>...
Renaissance." Not the Protestant Reformation, surely? (Tho' if that
*is* what you mean, many people here could sum up the main points
*re*: its "nature, origin, and goals" in two or three paragraphs.
Altho' there are whole shelves of books on the subject, the rest is
commentary.)
Do you have access to a good library? If so, the best way (IMO) to
approach such a question is simply to find out, thru the catalog,
which range of call numbers deals with the Renaissance, go to the
appropriate shelves, and browse thru book after book after book. On
any particular facet of this extremely broad matter, you'll find
almost as many opinions and interpretations as there are historians.
You might as well familiarize yourself with the range of opinions, and
select those that seem most reasonable and well supported to you.
BTW, the Dark Ages, by convention, precede, and are separate from, the
Middle Ages. All such divisions are, however -- as someone else here
has implied -- artificial. Cultures change continually in a variety
of ways; sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, but little is static for
any length of time.
A major problem is that you've defined several lifetimes' worth of
historical study when you allude to the "political, economic, social,
and cultural" changes from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance.
Another is that the Renaissance was in no way a unitary phenomenon in
timing or content -- it took different forms in different cultures at
different times -- and only rather general statements could reasonably
be made about it *as a whole*. Yet another is that historians tend to
specialize in particular regions and periods, and most won't give you,
individually, a very broad overview. Still another is that for some
decades, it's been academically fashionable to emphasize historical
continuity above drastic change. (Tho' I may be behind the times
here. Perhaps a counterreaction has by now set in?)
What, specifically, are you trying to find out? Something about your
question seems to suggest a student who's been set a sizable paper
(say, a thesis), and has selected a very general topic area, but
hasn't yet pared it down to anything like manageable scope.
Does the ".hk" perhaps signify Hong Kong?
meeso <maysaraomar@yahoo.com.hk> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.09.12.05.17.46.711752@yahoo.com.hk>...
Hello to everyone,
I am looking for a work (or some works) which describes in much details,
the *transition* from the middle ages (or in fact, the *dark* ages as
being so in many aspects) to the Renaissance, regarding the political,
economic, social, and cultural transformations. And also, regarding the
nature, origin, and the goals of the reformation act of the Renaissance.
I'll be very thankful if you provide the titles of a number of books and
researches done on that direction which you find serious and valuable.
Also, if you know of any available Ebooks, in some place, that would be
very appreciated.
Thank you very much,
-
meeso
Re: seeking medieval-Renaissance transition research
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:37:46 -0700, marshall kirk wrote:
That's precisely what I do *NOT* want to get.
I already did that, I am asking for YOUR opinions of good books.
I am very well aware of that and the problems of historical analysis and
interpretation. By saying the dark ages, they usually also mean "the dark
*aspects*" of the middle ages.
The Renaissance was no unity (even on the historical basis) - NOTHING is!
There could be no unity of any kind in our world with the exception of the
concept of *existence* I guess. It all depends on what you want to do.
Reading an overview of world's history is not going to be very much
helpful if you want to fully and clearly apprehend *the whole* history of
the world. Unless it's some million pages overview. I don't want to be
specialized, I just want this kind of general overview but in much details
and focusing on the aspect of the *transition*, because I know some
believe one occurred.
Just reading, my friend. (If you're American, I can see precisely where
this assumption evolved from, the American mighty liberal Education I
guess)
Ohh that's a long story; The .hk *should* mean Hong Kong, but I am not
Hong-Kongian. It was a mistake!
Thank you very much,
--
Maysara
many people here could sum up the main points *re*: its "nature, origin,
and goals" in two or three paragraphs.
That's precisely what I do *NOT* want to get.
the best way (IMO) to approach such a question is simply to find out,
thru the catalog,
I already did that, I am asking for YOUR opinions of good books.
BTW, the Dark Ages, by convention, precede, and are separate from, the
Middle Ages. All such divisions are, however -- as someone else here
has implied -- artificial.
I am very well aware of that and the problems of historical analysis and
interpretation. By saying the dark ages, they usually also mean "the dark
*aspects*" of the middle ages.
A major problem is that you've defined several lifetimes' worth of
historical study when you allude to the "political, economic, social,
and cultural" changes from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance.
Another is that the Renaissance was in no way a unitary phenomenon in
timing or content -- it took different forms in different cultures at
different times -- and only rather general statements could reasonably
be made about it *as a whole*.
The Renaissance was no unity (even on the historical basis) - NOTHING is!
There could be no unity of any kind in our world with the exception of the
concept of *existence* I guess. It all depends on what you want to do.
Reading an overview of world's history is not going to be very much
helpful if you want to fully and clearly apprehend *the whole* history of
the world. Unless it's some million pages overview. I don't want to be
specialized, I just want this kind of general overview but in much details
and focusing on the aspect of the *transition*, because I know some
believe one occurred.
What, specifically, are you trying to find out? Something about your
question seems to suggest a student who's been set a sizable paper
(say, a thesis), and has selected a very general topic area, but
hasn't yet pared it down to anything like manageable scope.
Just reading, my friend. (If you're American, I can see precisely where
this assumption evolved from, the American mighty liberal Education I
guess)
Does the ".hk" perhaps signify Hong Kong?
Ohh that's a long story; The .hk *should* mean Hong Kong, but I am not
Hong-Kongian. It was a mistake!
Thank you very much,
--
Maysara
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David Holiman
Re: seeking medieval-Renaissance transition research
meeso <maysaraomar@yahoo.com.hk> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.09.13.01.00.02.287830@yahoo.com.hk>...
Maysara,
Hong Kong is a great port, and I am a tutor of First
Graders. The Renaissance started in Florence and it is an
overlapping issue from the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages.
Start with ordinary encyclopedia articles to find the
approximate dates of transition. Each European country
/language/culture has its own time frame for the Middle
Ages. The Brits in this NG commonly agree the Dark Ages
started with the departure of the last Roman legion and
that the Middle Ages ended with the War of the Roses.
Their big debate is... when did the Middle Ages begin ?
Some Brit historians say they began with Duke William's
triumph at Hastings.
DAVID H (your Anglais is rather good, IMHO.)
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:37:46 -0700, marshall kirk wrote:
many people here could sum up the main points *re*: its "nature, origin,
and goals" in two or three paragraphs.
That's precisely what I do *NOT* want to get.
the best way (IMO) to approach such a question is simply to find out,
thru the catalog,
I already did that, I am asking for YOUR opinions of good books.
BTW, the Dark Ages, by convention, precede, and are separate from, the
Middle Ages. All such divisions are, however -- as someone else here
has implied -- artificial.
I am very well aware of that and the problems of historical analysis and
interpretation. By saying the dark ages, they usually also mean "the dark
*aspects*" of the middle ages.
A major problem is that you've defined several lifetimes' worth of
historical study when you allude to the "political, economic, social,
and cultural" changes from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance.
Another is that the Renaissance was in no way a unitary phenomenon in
timing or content -- it took different forms in different cultures at
different times -- and only rather general statements could reasonably
be made about it *as a whole*.
The Renaissance was no unity (even on the historical basis) - NOTHING is!
There could be no unity of any kind in our world with the exception of the
concept of *existence* I guess. It all depends on what you want to do.
Reading an overview of world's history is not going to be very much
helpful if you want to fully and clearly apprehend *the whole* history of
the world. Unless it's some million pages overview. I don't want to be
specialized, I just want this kind of general overview but in much details
and focusing on the aspect of the *transition*, because I know some
believe one occurred.
What, specifically, are you trying to find out? Something about your
question seems to suggest a student who's been set a sizable paper
(say, a thesis), and has selected a very general topic area, but
hasn't yet pared it down to anything like manageable scope.
Just reading, my friend. (If you're American, I can see precisely where
this assumption evolved from, the American mighty liberal Education I
guess)
Does the ".hk" perhaps signify Hong Kong?
Ohh that's a long story; The .hk *should* mean Hong Kong, but I am not
Hong-Kongian. It was a mistake!
Thank you very much,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maysara,
Hong Kong is a great port, and I am a tutor of First
Graders. The Renaissance started in Florence and it is an
overlapping issue from the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages.
Start with ordinary encyclopedia articles to find the
approximate dates of transition. Each European country
/language/culture has its own time frame for the Middle
Ages. The Brits in this NG commonly agree the Dark Ages
started with the departure of the last Roman legion and
that the Middle Ages ended with the War of the Roses.
Their big debate is... when did the Middle Ages begin ?
Some Brit historians say they began with Duke William's
triumph at Hastings.
DAVID H (your Anglais is rather good, IMHO.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~