Fw: [GEN-BENELUX] [pers] George Bush and John Kerry, Cousins

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Fw: [GEN-BENELUX] [pers] George Bush and John Kerry, Cousins

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 05 sep 2004 18:50:55

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Kuijsten©" <kuijsten@SoftHome.net>
To: <GEN-BENELUX-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:40 PM
Subject: [GEN-BENELUX] [pers] George Bush and John Kerry, Cousins!


A new book showing candidates related now available.
George Bush and John Kerry, 10th cousins! Bush related to ALL the
other presidents. Bush, Kerry and their running mates descend directly
from the prophet Mohammed, as do about 70% of all Americans! John
Edwards more closely related to Elvis than his cousins Bush, Kerry,
and Cheney. And thousands of other fascinating relationships with
kings, queens, horse thieves, and just plain folk.

ALEXANDER, NC (PRWEB) September 5, 2004 -- Alexander Books a
publishing imprint of Creativity, Inc.-Western North Carolina's
largest locally owned book publisher-announces the national release of
Bush/Kerry and Their OTHER Cousins! by Ralph Roberts.

"Humanity," Roberts says, "is a lot more closely related than most
people realize."

If you were to trace your own ancestry back a mere 20 generations, he
explains, you'll find that you have (and everyone has) 1,048,576 20th
great grandparents, spread out over a wide geographic area, through
many countries and over several continents. That would be people
living around the 1400s for most of us now alive. Follow the lines of
their children, their childrens' children, and so forth back to this
present time and you have tens of millions of cousins!

He calls this concept Full Genealogy, as opposed to traditional
genealogy, which tends to focus on just ancestors, and thus misses the
fascinating branches coming back up from the past.

Roberts, in his book, shows how using the vast family tree records now
on the Internet, you can prove just about anybody related to anybody,
but even he was surprised at how closely related Bush and Kerry are.

It's easy for anyone, to do, he says. "You can proudly show your
lineage from the Emperor Charlemagne and descent from a thousand years
of kings and queens, knights and barons, dukes, and counts."

One chapter in Bush/Kerry and Their OTHER Cousins! shows how about 70
percent of all Americans descend directly from the Prophet Mohammed.
This means that any of the many millions of Arabs living today across
North Africa, in Saudi Arabia, yes even in Iraq are no more distantly
related to most of us than somewhere around 40th cousin! Bush and
Kerry are both about 40th great-grandsons of the Prophet, as is
documented in this book......... More :
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/9/prweb155114.htm



Jon Meltzer

Re: Fw: [GEN-BENELUX] [pers] George Bush and John Kerry, Cou

Legg inn av Jon Meltzer » 06 sep 2004 02:29:49

leovdpas@netspeed.com.au ("Leo van de Pas") wrote in message news:<000801c49353$c5326780$c3b4fea9@email>...
ALEXANDER, NC (PRWEB) September 5, 2004 -- Alexander Books a
publishing imprint of Creativity, Inc.-Western North Carolina's
largest locally owned book publisher-announces the national release of
Bush/Kerry and Their OTHER Cousins! by Ralph Roberts.

"Humanity," Roberts says, "is a lot more closely related than most
people realize."

So, does Ralph Roberts derive his information from cousin Gary? :-)

And, what about the alleged descent from Muhammad? Is it one of those
discussed on this group, which (as I understand it) are still at best
"not proven"?

L Mahler

Re: Fw: [GEN-BENELUX] [pers] George Bush and John Kerry, Cou

Legg inn av L Mahler » 06 sep 2004 05:05:53

leovdpas@netspeed.com.au ("Leo van de Pas") wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Kuijsten©" <kuijsten@SoftHome.net
Subject: [GEN-BENELUX] [pers] George Bush and John Kerry, Cousins!


A new book showing candidates related now available.
George Bush and John Kerry, 10th cousins! Bush related to ALL the
other presidents.



Its been a while since Ive looked at the published ancestral tables of
the various presidents, but as I remember, John F Kennedy was of
exclusively Irish ancestry.
Some of the early presidents, such as Andrew Jackson, have only a few
known ancestors.
So the claim about being related to ALL presidents seems to be false.



Bush, Kerry and their running mates descend directly
from the prophet Mohammed, as do about 70% of all Americans! John
Edwards more closely related to Elvis than his cousins Bush, Kerry,
and Cheney. And thousands of other fascinating relationships with
kings, queens, horse thieves, and just plain folk.


Another false claim.
There are no well documented descents from Muhammad into medieval
European royalty. The author is probably using the disproved descent
from Zaida.
And how can they make such a claim for 70% of Americans?


ALEXANDER, NC (PRWEB) September 5, 2004 -- Alexander Books a
publishing imprint of Creativity, Inc.-Western North Carolina's
largest locally owned book publisher-announces the national release of
Bush/Kerry and Their OTHER Cousins! by Ralph Roberts.

"Humanity," Roberts says, "is a lot more closely related than most
people realize."


But most societies didnt keep enough records early enough.
England is somewhat better since records for common people start about
1540
- but even that is variable.


If you were to trace your own ancestry back a mere 20 generations, he
explains, you'll find that you have (and everyone has) 1,048,576 20th
great grandparents, spread out over a wide geographic area, through
many countries and over several continents.


That of course is leaving out the factor of inbreeding, which happens
often in isolated populations.
Besides, most people cant trace their lines back 20 generations.



That would be people
living around the 1400s for most of us now alive. Follow the lines of
their children, their childrens' children, and so forth back to this
present time and you have tens of millions of cousins!

He calls this concept Full Genealogy, as opposed to traditional
genealogy, which tends to focus on just ancestors, and thus misses the
fascinating branches coming back up from the past.

Roberts, in his book, shows how using the vast family tree records now
on the Internet, you can prove just about anybody related to anybody,
but even he was surprised at how closely related Bush and Kerry are.


The internet..... You can find anything you want with that.
How about some descents from Zeus and Hercules?
Or Tiamat & Apsu?


It's easy for anyone, to do, he says. "You can proudly show your
lineage from the Emperor Charlemagne and descent from a thousand years
of kings and queens, knights and barons, dukes, and counts."


Anyone????
How many Eskimos can trace back to Charlemagne?
How many Chinese people trace back to him?



One chapter in Bush/Kerry and Their OTHER Cousins! shows how about 70
percent of all Americans descend directly from the Prophet Mohammed.
This means that any of the many millions of Arabs living today across
North Africa, in Saudi Arabia, yes even in Iraq are no more distantly
related to most of us than somewhere around 40th cousin! Bush and
Kerry are both about 40th great-grandsons of the Prophet, as is
documented in this book......... More :
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/9/prweb155114.htm


Not very well documented Im sure.
I think he owes a lot to David Hughes.

The people on Gen Benelux must be absolutely convinced of how dumb
Americans must be.

Leslie

Fridrik Skulason

Re: Fw: [GEN-BENELUX] [pers] George Bush and John Kerry, Cou

Legg inn av Fridrik Skulason » 06 sep 2004 18:17:26

lmahler@att.net (L Mahler) wrote in message news:<9bb1d741.0409051905.5c772e20@posting.google.com>...
That of course is leaving out the factor of inbreeding, which happens
often in isolated populations.

Apart from Pictairn island and other such isolated communities with
tiny populations, you can observe this on a larger scale in Iceland.

Excluding the tiny percentage of the population that includes recent
immigrants and their immediate descendants, it it is possible to show
that everyone is related to everyone else. Picking two currently
living people here at random, one will find a common ancestors 7.5
generations back on the average - the most
extreme case requires going 10 generations back.

In other words - two people living here today had each several hundred
ancestors 250 years ago (out of a total population of around 50.000 at
the time), and one of those happens to be their common ancestor.

-frisk

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