Daughters of Richimer/Ricomer, Duke of the Franks

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Don Matson

Daughters of Richimer/Ricomer, Duke of the Franks

Legg inn av Don Matson » 28 aug 2004 18:12:38

Can 2 (full?) (sisters?) be born ca. 38 years apart?
They are supposedly daughters of Richimer/Ricomer, Duke of the Franks
b. ca. 538 & wife Gertrude/Gertrudis, of the Franks b. ca. 530.
They are:
1. Gerberga/Gerberge, of the Franks b. ca. 564, marr. Leutharius/Ega,
Major
Domus in France b. ca. 560

2. Regentrude/Regintrude, of Austrasia b. ca. 602-605, marr. Dagobert
I, King
of Austrasia who d. 1/19/639.

If Gertrude/Gertrudis b. ca. 530 is the mother of
Regentrude/Regintrude b. 602-605, then that would make her ca. 62
years old when she gave birth, so I think there's something wrong with
these dates or pedigree.
Any ideas or help with this?
Don

marshall kirk

Re: Daughters of Richimer/Ricomer, Duke of the Franks

Legg inn av marshall kirk » 29 aug 2004 02:02:42

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donmatson@hotmail.com (Don Matson) wrote in message news:<7f3ac78c.0408280812.162bcafb@posting.google.com>...
Can 2 (full?) (sisters?) be born ca. 38 years apart?

Yes, if the mother is fertile from age 12 to age 50. However, this
really pushes the envelope of probability at both ends, and is, all in
all, extremely unlikely.

They are supposedly daughters of Richimer/Ricomer, Duke of the Franks
b. ca. 538 & wife Gertrude/Gertrudis, of the Franks b. ca. 530.
They are:
1. Gerberga/Gerberge, of the Franks b. ca. 564, marr. Leutharius/Ega,
Major
Domus in France b. ca. 560

2. Regentrude/Regintrude, of Austrasia b. ca. 602-605, marr. Dagobert
I, King
of Austrasia who d. 1/19/639.

If Gertrude/Gertrudis b. ca. 530 is the mother of
Regentrude/Regintrude b. 602-605, then that would make her ca. 62
years old when she gave birth, so I think there's something wrong with
these dates or pedigree.
Any ideas or help with this?
Don

It would make her 72 to 75, unless my mental calculator needs
debugging.----Yes, something's certainly wrong here. Automatic
questions: who tells us of these people, estimates their dates of
birth, and asserts the above relationships? What evidence does he
offer? I probably should consult Settipani's _Capetiens_, and
perhaps Gregory, but I needn't go so far to see that the pedigree as
given can't be correct, as it fails chronologically. (Mr. Matson may
wish to consult M. Settipani, tho'.) The point is important: it's
remarkable how many pedigrees can be shown to be bogus purely by doing
a little arithmetic. I often wonder at the apparent fact that the
people who contrive such pedigrees, which they presumably would like
to be taken as fact, don't seem to make the slightest effort to supply
chronological verisimilitude.

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