Wednesday, 27 September, 2006
Hello All,
The following is a fragmentary pedigree as I now have it of the Talbots
of Bashall, down to Mary (wife of Sir Richard Tempest) and following the
Tempest descent to Sir Robert Tempest of Staynforth. This adds little to past
discussions of the Talbots of Bashall, except (1) the addition of John Talbot, son
and successor of the first Edmund Talbot (1310/11), and (2) reflecting
certain landholdings in the 14th century the history of which may assist in
resolving the relationships between the Tempests of Bashall (and possibly the Talbots)
and the Lacys of Cromwellbotham.
A followup post will deal with the Lacys, at least as they now stand.
Cheers,
John
1 Sir Robert de Holand[1]
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Spouse: Elizabeth de Samlesbury[1]
Children: Sir Robert de Holand, Lord Holand (-1328)
Joan
1.1 Joan de Holand
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' Joan who was the wife of Edmund Talbot held 2 ploughlands in
Risseton [Rishton] by the service of the 4th part of a knight's
fee and renders 12d. yearly at the same term [feast of St. Giles],
and does suit at the aforesaid court [of Clitheroe]. '
IPM of Henry de Lacy, earl of Lincoln, dated 26 Feb 1310/11
[Farrer, Lancashire Inquests p. 11[2]]
a moiety of the manor of Hapton, Lancs. was (apparently) her
maritagium:
record of the extent of the lands of Thomas, earl of Lancaster, 1322:
' Of Nicholas Deuias, farmer of the manor of Samlesbury, which
was Robert de Holand's, t. Easter and Michaelmas L32; of William
de Chaydok, farmer of 2 parts of the tenements which were the
said Robert's at le Ewod, t. St. Giles, 15s.; of Adam del Clogh,
farmer of 2 parts of the manor of Hapton which was in the said
Robert's hand by reason of the minority of the heir of Edmund
Talbot, same t. L6s. 6s. 8d., which said manor and tenements
were let to farm by John Travers and Robert de Nottingham by
the king's writ from Michaelmas 16th year for 3 years next
following. ' [Farrer, Lancashire Inquests p. 202[2]]
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re: her husband:
of Bashall, co. Yorks.
he d. before 26 Feb 1310/11:
' The heir of Sir Edmund Talbot held one ploughland in Hapton
by the service of the 8th part of a knight's fee, and renders
13d. yearly at Midsummer and doe suit at the court of Clidrehowe
from three weeks to three weeks. ' IPM of Henry de Lacy, earl of
Lincoln, dated 26 Feb 1310/11 [Farrer, Lancashire Inquests, II:10[2]]
Spouse: Sir Edmund Talbot, of Bashall, co. Yorks.
Death: bef 26 Feb 1310[2],[3]
Children: John (>1305->1328)
Sir Thomas (-<1366)
1.1.1 John Talbot
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Birth: aft 22 Jul 1305[3]
Death: aft 1328, d.s.p.[3]
of Bashall, co. Yorks. and Hapton, co. Lancs.
' The heir of Sir Edmund Talbot held one ploughland in Hapton
by the service of the 8th part of a knight's fee, and renders
13d. yearly at Midsummer and doe suit at the court of Clidrehowe
from three weeks to three weeks.
Henry de Lacy of Crumbewelle [-bothum] held the hamlet of
Brydestwysel [Birtwistle], namely half a ploughland by homage
and the service of 4s. yearly at the same term, and by doing
suit at the aforesaid court. ' IPM of Henry de Lacy, earl of
Lincoln, dated 26 Feb 1310/11 [Farrer, Lancashire Inquests, II:10[2]]
following the release of the castle and manor of Clitheroe,
Blackburn, etc. by Alicia de Lacy on 9 July 1322, a record was
made of " The Names of those who are Distrained to make their
Homage to the King According to the Tenour of the King's Writ ",
including:
' Brian de Thornhill who holds in Folrigge one ploughland for the
9th part of a knight's fee.
John Talbot, who is of about 18 years of age, holds in Rissheton
2 ploughlands for the 10th part of a kinght's fee; and the town
of Hapton, now being in the king's hand by reason of wardship, for
the 3rd part of a knight's fee.
Robert de Shireburn and Alice his wife, as of the right of the
same Alice, Agnes du Lee, and Thomas D'Ardern, coparceners of
Wysewalle hold in the same 2 ploughlands for the 9th part of
a knight's fee. ' [Farrer, Lancashire Inquests pp. 133-4[2]]
IPM of Henry de Shuttleworth (dated at Clitheroe, 22 Jul 1326)
stated that he
' held certain lands and tenements in Shuttleworth of John Talbot,
son and heir of Edmund Talbot [who was] under age ' [ "dicunt
quod Henricus de Shuttleworth tenuit quasdam terras et quedam
ten: in Shutleworth de Johanne Talbot filio et hered: Edmundi
Talbot infra etat: ... " ] [Towneley, Abs. IPM II:152[3]; also
Farrer, Lancashire Inquests p. 220, no. CXLV[2]]
1.1.2 Sir Thomas Talbot
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Death: bef 1366[4]
of Bashall, co. Yorks. and Hapton, co. Lancs.
succeeded his brother John
Children: Mary
Edmund Talbot, of Bashall (-1372)
1.1.2.1 Mary Talbot
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Spouse: Sir Richard Tempest, of Bracewell, co. Yorks.
Father: Sir John Tempest (->1354)
Mother: Katherine (->1354)
Children: Sir Richard (ca1356-<1430)
1.1.2.1.1 Sir Richard Tempest
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Birth: ca 1356
Death: bef 30 Sep 1430
of Bracewell, co. Yorks.
Spouse: Margaret de Stainforth
Father: Robert de Stainforth (->1390)
Children: Sir Piers
Sir Robert
Roger
John
Richard
1.1.2.1.1.1 Sir Robert Tempest
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of Staynforth
younger (probably 2nd) son
record of dispenstion for her marriage, dated 7 Jan 1407/8:
' Dispensation for Robert, son of Sir Richard Tempest, domicellus,
and Alice, dau. of John Lacy, domicella, in the diocese of York,
to marry, although twice related in the 4th degree. Ibid. 11. '
[Testa. Ebor III:319[5]]
Spouse: Alice Lacy
Father: [Probable] John Lacy, of Cromwellbotham, co. Yorks. (->1442)
Mother: [Probable] Emmota (->1442)
Marr: aft 7 Jan 1407[5]
Children: Sir Richard Tempest of Staynforth
1. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215,"
Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David
Faris).
2. William Farrer, ed., "Lancashire Inquests, Extents, and Feudal
Aids, A.D. 1205 - A.D. 1307," The Record Society for the
Publication of Original Documents relating to Lancashire and
Cheshire, Vol. XLVIII, Liverpool: W. Barton and Co., 1903,
courtesy Googlebooks.
3. Christopher Towneley, "Towneley's Abstracts of Inquisitions
post Mortem," London: printed for the Chetham Society,
Vol. XCIX (vol. II of Abstracts), 1875.
4. John R. Schuerman and Douglas Hickling, "Tempest Wives and
Daughters in the Late Medieval Period," Medieval English
Genealogy, courtesy Chris Phillips,
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk5. "Testamenta Eboracensia [A Selection of Wills from the
Registry at York]," The Surtees Society, Andrews & Co.,
Durham, Vol. III (1865).
* John P. Ravilious