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Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 16:34:25

"Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4tc4tyAv7H6EFwvU@varneys.demon.co.uk...
How is it funny?. Funny peculiar, perhaps, funny amusing, no. But then,
it appears that some Americans have very odd notions of what is amusing,
witness the abysmal exported shows.

What??? You don't like Seinfeld reruns????!!!

No - I've tried, I've tried, but they seem so slow and clanking.


Different culture ... I like Seinfeld (I'm Canadian), but I know that there
are a lot of people who think that the comedic ensemble in that series
were/are a whiny simpering bunch. Unless you understand the cultural
idiosyncracies of that part of New York (urban comedy), the humour would
definitely be lost.

- nilita

Gjest

Re: Odinel and Simon Comyn, sons of Richard Comyn (d. 1182)

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 aug 2006 16:41:02

Dear Will,
How so ? Hextilda could have consumated at 14 (1154) John
died at an unknown age before 1159. but Hextilda still may have been older than
12 in 1152 and may have married in 1144/ 45. 12 in 1152 is the lowest possible
chronology. If Odinel ware only mentioned in the 1162 document so as the
monks knew whose soul they were praying for ditto Henry, Simon, Duncan and
Kelehantoni, sons of Malcolm, Earl of Athol in 1182, they could have been any age.
In the latter case the only possible way for them to have been sons of
Malcolm by Hextilda would be if the foregoing assumption was in fact correct.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA
Richard Comyn was born in or before 1123, as He was given possession of
Northallerton Castle in 1144. William, his father was born probably betw
1090-1100 and died before 1140 (possibly killed at the Battle of the Standard in
1138) He married Maud, daughter of Thurston de Banester (or Basset),who married
by 1140 William de Hastings. William was the son of John Comyn born say
1067/ 8 (less than 21 at Domesday as He apparently wasn`t mentioned) He was
killed in abt 1135/ 6 and married a daughter of Adam Giffard of Fonthill, Wilts.,
his brother William Comyn , the Chancellor of Scotland was attached to the
Angevin cause born probably in 1069/70, quite possibly postumously, He is known
to have survived until at least 1155, when He returned to England and resumed
the archdeaconry of Worcester. not bad for an 85 year old man.
Source for Earl Henry dying June 12, 1152 Wikipedia.

D. Spencer Hines

McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hunters

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 aug 2006 17:38:57

Hilarious!

Beware The Ghastly Fox Hunters.

DSH

"Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:R+ACpFARf05EFwDo@varneys.demon.co.uk...

In article <44e71096$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Nigel Bufton
nigel@bufton.org> writes

Fox hunting kept the fox population down.
Now many areas are having problems with more foxes roaming free.

They are becoming a serious problem in Maida Vale, I gather - whereas we
rarely see them in the country.
Or the ghstly [sic] hunters, thank goodness.
--
Eve McLaughlin

D. Spencer Hines

McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hunters

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 aug 2006 17:40:09

Hilarious!

Beware The Ghastly Fox Hunters.

DSH

"Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:R+ACpFARf05EFwDo@varneys.demon.co.uk...

In article <44e71096$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Nigel Bufton
nigel@bufton.org> writes

Fox hunting kept the fox population down.
Now many areas are having problems with more foxes roaming free.

They are becoming a serious problem in Maida Vale, I gather - whereas we
rarely see them in the country.
Or the ghstly [sic] hunters, thank goodness.
--
Eve McLaughlin

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 17:43:47

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

"Hippo" has never even MET "La Nilita".

Have you? -the Troll

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 17:47:16

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Atta gal, don't let anyone put you into a slot. -the Troll

That's my hipster! You figgered out a long time ago I'm not slottable!
Maybe because I'm one of your few ex-girlfriends who didn't slit her
wrist after you dumped her! ***

I get along a lot better with you than any of them but one (who is now
conveniently happily married). -the Troll

Yuppers, Hips. I'm thinking of putting a killfile on everybody except
*you*. I tell ya, hipster ... *they* don't understand my work ...%)

Chuckle, if you are in the head shrinking business I don't either. -the
Troll

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 17:48:41

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
here. -the Troll

Hell, I'm one of the few wimmin who hasn't even slept with Clinton!
...%)

- nilita (nor would i want to)

You've good taste too. -the Troll

I *must*. I have enchanted by zaftig hippos! ... No charming smarmy
playboy politico type for *moi* ... %)

Very good taste. :^) -the Troll

D. Spencer Hines

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 aug 2006 17:51:26

Robinson has joined McLaughlin in her Severe Neurosis re foxes and fox
hunters.

It's A Class Issue with these two -- as are so many disputes among the
English.

Deeeeeeelightful!

Robinson, the quintessential English clucking biddy, wants Fox Hunters
"hunted to extinction" because they are "abhorent" [sic].

Hilarious!

Methinks she wants a little "action" herself.

Yes, I'm sure Robinson would much prefer the fox hunters to chase HER rather
than the foxes.

But Alas!...

DSH

"Kay Robinson" <Kay_Robinson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6qnnRCW25v=WAuiAdQ=GE28voCW9@4ax.com...

If the farmer finds them a pest he can shoot em, or put down poison,
far more efficient. I have no objection to the killing of any animal
out of necessity. To do it for sport is abhorent [sic] and those that do
it deserve to be hunted to extinction IMO. Odd that these so called
'sportsmen' don't offer to put down other vermin such as rats and
pigeons. Don't suppose they'd get as much fun out of that..

Kay

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 17:56:39

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Hey, Hips. I just reviewed my overflowing killfile, and easily 90 per
cent of the denizens are of The Left! I never thought of doing a
partisan breakdown of my bit bucket, but there you are!

Why doesn't that surprise me? What do you think of your new PM? -the
Troll

ehhhh ..... well, he's trying hard. I think he makes decisions too
quickly without consultation with the electorate. He is in the bad books
up here for skipping the AIDS conference demonstrating to the thinking of
some that he is indifferent to the issue.. However, to his credit, he
sent - I believe -his Health Minister. In any case, I think pretty much
all of our politicos are crooks ... never met a Prime Minister that was
the object of *my* adoration ...%)

Not attending an AIDS conference shows his good sense. It doesn't get the
research done any faster and is mostly political window dressing like
anti-mine and ecology conferences.

How did he get elected without the support of the Quebecois? -the Troll

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 aug 2006 17:59:03

No, of course not.

But, unlike you, I don't make silly, puerile, soporific comments about her,
such as you did in this exchange:

Atta gal, don't let anyone put you into a slot. -the Troll

That's my hipster! You figgered out a long time ago I'm not slottable!
Maybe because I'm one of your few ex-girlfriends who didn't slit her
wrist after you dumped her! ***

I get along a lot better with you than any of them but one (who is now
conveniently happily married). -the Troll

Are you in love, "Hippo"?

It's quite EASY to get along superbly with someone you have even never MET.

DSH

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eh4a5jbsb948e@corp.supernews.com...
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

"Hippo" has never even MET "La Nilita".

Have you? -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 18:01:46

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eh4gneo7u4u4d@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Atta gal, don't let anyone put you into a slot. -the Troll

That's my hipster! You figgered out a long time ago I'm not slottable!
Maybe because I'm one of your few ex-girlfriends who didn't slit her
wrist after you dumped her! ***

I get along a lot better with you than any of them but one (who is now
conveniently happily married). -the Troll

Yuppers, Hips. I'm thinking of putting a killfile on everybody except
*you*. I tell ya, hipster ... *they* don't understand my work ...%)

Chuckle, if you are in the head shrinking business I don't either. -the
Troll

Trust me ... I don't shrink heads! If I did, I'd be wearing said heads on a
chain around my neck ....%)

- nilita

D. Spencer Hines

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 aug 2006 18:09:02

Methinks someone is either confused or applies double standards.
Cheers
Guy

Thanks for that info Guy, I must admit that I wasn't aware of the
extent to which this horrific passtime [sic] was practised, some more
sources of beef of my list then, Maybe I'll join the veggie brigade
lol

Kay

Hilarious!

Robinson simply WALLOWS in her own carefully cultivated Sump of Ignorance.

DSH

"Kay Robinson" <Kay_Robinson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ux7oRH2LjD3Mu6QHwvs7uUqIc+CL@4ax.com...

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:54:17 +0000 (UTC), guy.etchells@virgin.net (Guy
Etchells) sharpened a new quill and scratched:

"Kay Robinson" <Kay_Robinson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:+ODmRElbet7Cq=eFB0jCq6tFpIAt@4ax.com...

Personally I don't buy any English farm produce, but for reasons other
than taste or quality. As an avid anti fox hunting supporter I'm
incensed by the attitude of the farmers, who tell us we're townies and
should keep out of country affairs, support the hunt, and then moan
because the townies don't buy their produce.

I live in a rural area, most of the 'farmers' around here (those that
haven't converted their farms to up-market accomadation for
professionals) are 'Independent Hauliers' with yards full of lorries
etc, not to mention scap metal.

As long as the English farmer supports the hunt, I'll look forward to
their bancruptcy.

I do buy beef from other countries, Irish beef is lovely and cooked
properly melts in the mouth, indeed, both Scottish and French beef do
equally well. English fruit, as mentioned, appears to deterioate very
quickly these days for some unknown reason.

Kay

How very strange, you don't buy English farm produce because of fox
hunting but you buy from Ireland home of some of the finest hunts. The
Limerick, Black and Tans, Galway Blazers, Tipperary, Golden Vale, County
Clare and Duhallow.
France has a great tradition in stag hunting along with roebuck and hare
in the Loire Valley.

I have never heard of either stag, roebuck or hare kill over 50 chickens
in a night for the sake of killing yet that is what a fox will do given
the chance.

Scotland still allows hunting with hounds but for the kill the fox must be
flushed out and shot, but if wounded it may then be chased with hounds to
the death.

Methinks someone is either confused or applies double standards.
Cheers
Guy

Thanks for that info Guy, I must admit that I wasn't aware of the
extent to which this horrific passtime was practised, some more
sources of beef of my list then, Maybe I'll join the veggie brigade
lol

Kay

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 18:11:42

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eh529qaocn453@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Hey, Hips. I just reviewed my overflowing killfile, and easily 90 per
cent of the denizens are of The Left! I never thought of doing a
partisan breakdown of my bit bucket, but there you are!

Why doesn't that surprise me? What do you think of your new PM? -the
Troll

ehhhh ..... well, he's trying hard. I think he makes decisions too
quickly without consultation with the electorate. He is in the bad books
up here for skipping the AIDS conference demonstrating to the thinking of
some that he is indifferent to the issue.. However, to his credit, he
sent - I believe -his Health Minister. In any case, I think pretty much
all of our politicos are crooks ... never met a Prime Minister that was
the object of *my* adoration ...%)

Not attending an AIDS conference shows his good sense. It doesn't get the
research done any faster and is mostly political window dressing like
anti-mine and ecology conferences.

An acquaintance of mine, Stephen Lewis, has until recently been the AIDS
Ambassador for the U.N. to Africa. He is more p*ssed off at the South
African government for its cavalier attitude towards AIDS. He said they
promoted an attitude of providing roots, lemons, and garlic instead of
advocating anti-viral drugs. Of course, everybody knows by now that Bill
Gates and Bill Clinton were the headliners of the conference.

Speaking of AIDS, this week I watched a CBC documentary discussing the
possible origins of AIDS being contaminated polio vaccine administered to
children in the Belgian Congo:
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/originofaids/polio.html

How did he get elected without the support of the Quebecois? -the Troll


He managed to take seats from the Liberals and the Bloc Quebecois in that
province. Here's a good synopsis:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006 ... 60123.html

- nilita

Vince

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av Vince » 20 aug 2006 18:14:34

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Robinson has joined McLaughlin in her Severe Neurosis re foxes and fox
hunters.

It's A Class Issue with these two -- as are so many disputes among the
English.

Deeeeeeelightful!

Robinson, the quintessential English clucking biddy, wants Fox Hunters
"hunted to extinction" because they are "abhorent" [sic].

Hilarious!

Methinks she wants a little "action" herself.

Yes, I'm sure Robinson would much prefer the fox hunters to chase HER rather
than the foxes.

But Alas!...

DSH


I always liked the idea of combining fox hunting with Paintballing. You
get to shoot at the riders as they come across . Make it more "sporting"


Vince

D. Spencer Hines

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 aug 2006 18:18:43

Fair Enough.

But the Fox Hunters get to shoot back -- or ride over.

DSH

"Vince" <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote in message
news:DNSdnZ2MPJ_mBXXZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Robinson has joined McLaughlin in her Severe Neurosis re foxes and fox
hunters.

It's A Class Issue with these two -- as are so many disputes among the
English.

Deeeeeeelightful!

Robinson, the quintessential English clucking biddy, wants Fox Hunters
"hunted to extinction" because they are "abhorent" [sic].

Hilarious!

Methinks she wants a little "action" herself.

Yes, I'm sure Robinson would much prefer the fox hunters to chase HER
rather
than the foxes.

But Alas!...

DSH


I always liked the idea of combining fox hunting with Paintballing. You
get to shoot at the riders as they come across . Make it more "sporting"


Vince

Gjest

Re: The Comyns and the House of Galloway: a prior Connection

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 aug 2006 18:30:02

Dear John,
Okay... it`s apparently not the same Waldeve. As You
mentioned Allerdale, Cumberland is some distance from Tynedale, Northumberland and
that that didn`t always mean anything. However, Gospatric I was both Lord of
Allerdale and breifly Earl of Northumberland and subsequently the 1st Earl of
Dunbar. Robert de Comines was granted the Earldom of Northumberland in 1069 by
William I , apparently including Huntingdon and Durham. He was killed by the
Saxons in Durham in January 1070 when He and a few of his Norman / Flemish
followers rode into Durham to try to take position. the story goes He was seriously
wounded and took refuge in a local priory, with all his men. the Saxons outside
then set fire to the building. Some doubtless were killed trying to escape.
Robert burned alive. the priory was rebuilt and no one named Comyn was allowed
to enter its` walls again. Now so sure I believe the last part.
Sincerely,
James W
Cummings
Dixmont,
Maine USA

D. Spencer Hines

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 aug 2006 18:36:00

Yes, Robinson is certainly "warming" to the subject.

Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude.

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.

Fortem Posce Animum.

Foxes, Fox Hunters & Rapists -- Could Anything Be More Freudian?

Clucking English Biddy To The Max...

DSH

"Kay Robinson" <Kay_Robinson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:QyToROL7SMPKx9zldslSRj5SJ7dM@4ax.com...

The fact that foxes, or any other animal kill for the thrill or
whatever (the domestic cat does also) is irrelevant, we are supposed
to have risen above our base animal instincts (tho reading and
watching the news strongly suggests we haven't)

It's simply the fact that this race called man, so superior, godlike
and lover of arts etc, can stoop to such behaviour, that sickens me.
In nature the male of the species all too often takes and ravages
their mate, all part of their ritual. Should we therefore excuse
rapists in our society when they let their animal instincts take
control? I think not.

Vince

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Vince » 20 aug 2006 18:41:41

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
No, of course not.

But, unlike you, I don't make silly, puerile, soporific


???

soporific
1. Inducing or tending to induce sleep.
2. Drowsy.
does not go with silly or puerile


posibly

sophomoric
2. Exhibiting great immaturity and lack of judgment: sophomoric
behavior.


Was what you meant


comments about her,
such as you did in this exchange:

Atta gal, don't let anyone put you into a slot. -the Troll
That's my hipster! You figgered out a long time ago I'm not slottable!
Maybe because I'm one of your few ex-girlfriends who didn't slit her
wrist after you dumped her! ***
I get along a lot better with you than any of them but one (who is now
conveniently happily married). -the Troll

Are you in love, "Hippo"?

It's quite EASY to get along superbly with someone you have even never MET.


"even never MET"???

I suspect "never even met" is more correct

quick "google" shows only 128 hits on "even never met"

303,000 on "never even met"

IIRC When "even" is used as an "Intensive" it is supposed to directly
precede the action "intensified"



e.g

I never saw the man.

I never even saw the man!

A sentence with an intensive usually deserves an exclamation point


always happy to discuss grammar

It beats Cricket for excitement

Vince












DSH

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eh4a5jbsb948e@corp.supernews.com...
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

"Hippo" has never even MET "La Nilita".
Have you? -the Troll


D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 aug 2006 18:43:54

Nope.

I meant soporific.

DSH

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 18:44:54

"Vince" <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote in message
news:wK-dncstPItLA3XZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
No, of course not.

But, unlike you, I don't make silly, puerile, soporific


???

soporific
1. Inducing or tending to induce sleep.
2. Drowsy.
does not go with silly or puerile


posibly

sophomoric
2. Exhibiting great immaturity and lack of judgment: sophomoric
behavior.


Was what you meant


comments about her,
such as you did in this exchange:

Atta gal, don't let anyone put you into a slot. -the Troll
That's my hipster! You figgered out a long time ago I'm not slottable!
Maybe because I'm one of your few ex-girlfriends who didn't slit her
wrist after you dumped her! ***
I get along a lot better with you than any of them but one (who is now
conveniently happily married). -the Troll

Are you in love, "Hippo"?

It's quite EASY to get along superbly with someone you have even never
MET.


"even never MET"???

I suspect "never even met" is more correct

quick "google" shows only 128 hits on "even never met"

303,000 on "never even met"

IIRC When "even" is used as an "Intensive" it is supposed to directly
precede the action "intensified"



e.g

I never saw the man.

I never even saw the man!

A sentence with an intensive usually deserves an exclamation point


always happy to discuss grammar

It beats Cricket for excitement



Be kind to Hines. English is his second language .... after latin, that is
..... <smirk>

- nilita

Vince

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av Vince » 20 aug 2006 18:49:24

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Fair Enough.

But the Fox Hunters get to shoot back -- or ride over.

DSH


Fair enough

But at deflection ranges of 70- 100 feet I suspect as always the
infantry will have the advantage over the horseman

Vince




"Vince" <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote in message
news:DNSdnZ2MPJ_mBXXZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Robinson has joined McLaughlin in her Severe Neurosis re foxes and fox
hunters.

It's A Class Issue with these two -- as are so many disputes among the
English.

Deeeeeeelightful!

Robinson, the quintessential English clucking biddy, wants Fox Hunters
"hunted to extinction" because they are "abhorent" [sic].

Hilarious!

Methinks she wants a little "action" herself.

Yes, I'm sure Robinson would much prefer the fox hunters to chase HER
rather
than the foxes.

But Alas!...

DSH

I always liked the idea of combining fox hunting with Paintballing. You
get to shoot at the riders as they come across . Make it more "sporting"


Vince


Grey Satterfield

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av Grey Satterfield » 20 aug 2006 18:51:20

On 8/20/06 10:25 AM, in article 4tc4tyAv7H6EFwvU@varneys.demon.co.uk, "Eve
McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote:

How is it funny?. Funny peculiar, perhaps, funny amusing, no. But then,
it appears that some Americans have very odd notions of what is amusing,
witness the abysmal exported shows.

What??? You don't like Seinfeld reruns????!!!

No - I've tried, I've tried, but they seem so slow and clanking.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)

Grey Satterfield

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 19:07:24

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

btw, I didn't "pretend" to be objective. I'm here to learn. I expect
more quality - ergo more intelligent - discourse - from people I like,
such as you, Grey. Often I'm let down as such because it melts down
into the "I hate [the other side]" rhetoric. And, even if I'm not so
"objective", why don't you tell me where I'm wrong instead of insulting
me and making snide comments about me in the third person to others?
What "nonsense" did I pander to?

The "refereeing" was meant to be fun. But you guys take Usenet waaaaay
too seriously.

Oh well, my mama always said ... among friends you just don't argue
politics or religion ...%)

btw, Hippo has a much thicker hide than you do. And I have a pretty
thick skin too. Whatever you need to say to me you can say to me
directly instead of your ongoing snide remarks to others.

They do take it too seriously. So do I at times. You are welcome to kick
me in the fanny when I do.

I'll do that! I bet it would be like kicking a fluffy pillow! ... :) One
thing I do really feel sorry about is if I think I've hurt somebody's
feelings, or if somebody really feels hurt by what I said. Anger I can
take. Frustration. Disagreement. But, "hurt"? I feel like sh*t,
especially when it's somebody I like, for instance Grey.

I can't say it enough. TAKE WHAT I SAY WITH A GRAIN OF SALT! What I
have to say isn't all that important anyway! Geeze ....

It depends what their investment is. Usenet is a distraction for me. I've
just fed 14 people (5 soldiers, 4 kids from school, 1 kid on suspension, and
4 adults) breakfast. For others it has become their lives. Men, too, are
naturally competitive, which can get in the way of light conversation. It's
probably why many women have been driven off of Usenet.


On one of the Irish groups, where things get nasty quickly, there was a
poster who would inject completely irrelevant cricket scores or some
personal experience right into the middle of a vicious sectarian
squabble. It was so incongruous it made posters on both sides smile and
feel silly - exactly what the doctor ordered. -the Troll

I like that. And that's one of the reasons I enjoy off topic discussions
in the midst of an angry thread, such as the discussion that Black Beard
of smn and I were having about our respective transplants - his upcoming
kidney transplant, and my past bone marrow. I think sometimes we need to
be reminded as human beings that we are *more* than our differences ...
that we have shared experiences, etc. etc. Ohmygawd ... did I just about
break into Kumbaya??? I think I just about made myself sick ...
gaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

Yes, yes, yes, and I don't even know the words. -the Troll

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 19:39:43

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:
:> "hippo" wrote:
:
:[.]
:
:> :Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
:> :sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
:> :here. -the Troll
:
:> True, but so what? As I said, she is less objective than many.
:
:Not from my discussions with her. I've seen her object to outrages posted
by
:lefties and pin their noses to the ground. The knee jerks won't do
:that. -the Troll

Hippo, READ WHAT I SAID! Turn your hormones off, or whatever the
problem is. Did I says she was a "knee jerk" Lefty Loon? No, I did
not. I said she leans left and is less objective in her judgments
than many.

What is your (and her) problem with any intimation that she isn't
perfect?

It isn't the left part but the relative objective part with which I
disagree. Most of the lefties here are knee jerks, she isn't. That makes her
comparatively objective in my book. I make no claim she, or anyone else, is
perfect. -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 20:03:18

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ehb3hsor80d86@corp.supernews.com...
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:
:> "hippo" wrote:
:
:[.]
:
:> :Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
:> :sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like
some
:> :here. -the Troll
:
:> True, but so what? As I said, she is less objective than many.
:
:Not from my discussions with her. I've seen her object to outrages
posted by
:lefties and pin their noses to the ground. The knee jerks won't do
:that. -the Troll

Hippo, READ WHAT I SAID! Turn your hormones off, or whatever the
problem is. Did I says she was a "knee jerk" Lefty Loon? No, I did
not. I said she leans left and is less objective in her judgments
than many.

What is your (and her) problem with any intimation that she isn't
perfect?

It isn't the left part but the relative objective part with which I
disagree. Most of the lefties here are knee jerks, she isn't. That makes
her comparatively objective in my book. I make no claim she, or anyone
else, is perfect. -the Troll


My years of meditation training have paid off ....;) And btw, who the hell
would *want* to be perfect! Geebus, I'm one of the least perfect people I
know! And that's part of my charm ...%)

- nilita

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 20:18:40

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ehavre3snm549@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

btw, I didn't "pretend" to be objective. I'm here to learn. I expect
more quality - ergo more intelligent - discourse - from people I like,
such as you, Grey. Often I'm let down as such because it melts down
into the "I hate [the other side]" rhetoric. And, even if I'm not so
"objective", why don't you tell me where I'm wrong instead of insulting
me and making snide comments about me in the third person to others?
What "nonsense" did I pander to?

The "refereeing" was meant to be fun. But you guys take Usenet waaaaay
too seriously.

Oh well, my mama always said ... among friends you just don't argue
politics or religion ...%)

btw, Hippo has a much thicker hide than you do. And I have a pretty
thick skin too. Whatever you need to say to me you can say to me
directly instead of your ongoing snide remarks to others.

They do take it too seriously. So do I at times. You are welcome to kick
me in the fanny when I do.

I'll do that! I bet it would be like kicking a fluffy pillow! ... :)
One thing I do really feel sorry about is if I think I've hurt somebody's
feelings, or if somebody really feels hurt by what I said. Anger I can
take. Frustration. Disagreement. But, "hurt"? I feel like sh*t,
especially when it's somebody I like, for instance Grey.

I can't say it enough. TAKE WHAT I SAY WITH A GRAIN OF SALT! What I
have to say isn't all that important anyway! Geeze ....

It depends what their investment is. Usenet is a distraction for me. I've
just fed 14 people (5 soldiers, 4 kids from school, 1 kid on suspension,
and 4 adults) breakfast. For others it has become their lives. Men, too,
are naturally competitive, which can get in the way of light conversation.
It's probably why many women have been driven off of Usenet.

You're right about women for the most part being driven off of Usenet. It
*has*, for the most part become a man's game. However, since I prefer the
camaraderie of men to the catty coterie of women, I tend to dig in my heels,
plug my nose at appropriate times, and take the insults with a grain of
salt. When I refer to the cattiness of women btw, I don't mean *all* women.
There are some smart, witty, intelligent women who participate from time to
time - in fact, I'd say the remaining women who participate in these x-posts
fit that category - they don't participate often enough. Probably because
they have even less patience than I have with the male dick sizing contests
that occur. One of my f*ing pet peeves is the long LONG LONG childish flame
wars between the usual suspects, almost always men.

And btw, you know I appreciate what you do for other people by way of
feeding, housing, etc. You remind me of *me* in that respect, although in
recent times I have to say appreciate more peace and quiet around the
homestead. I make up for it, though, by having the occasional beer and BBQ
bash. Last week a friend asked her son how he wanted to celebrate his 20th
birthday. Without hesitating he said, "A party at nilita's house!"
Although I wasn't in the mood, I did a last minute rally, bought a cake at
Safeway, messed it up royally by trying to decorate it (definitely not my
forte!), picked up beer and root beer. The guests brought the food; and a
good time was had by all. I've got too good a rep as the hostess with the
mostess (what I don't know ...%)


On one of the Irish groups, where things get nasty quickly, there was a
poster who would inject completely irrelevant cricket scores or some
personal experience right into the middle of a vicious sectarian
squabble. It was so incongruous it made posters on both sides smile and
feel silly - exactly what the doctor ordered. -the Troll

I like that. And that's one of the reasons I enjoy off topic discussions
in the midst of an angry thread, such as the discussion that Black Beard
of smn and I were having about our respective transplants - his upcoming
kidney transplant, and my past bone marrow. I think sometimes we need to
be reminded as human beings that we are *more* than our differences ...
that we have shared experiences, etc. etc. Ohmygawd ... did I just about
break into Kumbaya??? I think I just about made myself sick ...
gaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

Yes, yes, yes, and I don't even know the words. -the Troll


Okay, everybody - group hug time!

Kumbayah my Lord, kumbayah
Kumbayah my Lord, kumbayah
Kumbayah my Lord, kumbayah
Oh Lord, kumbayah

Someone's singing my Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing my Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbayah

Someone's laughing, my Lord, cumbaya
Someone's laughing, my Lord, cumbaya
Someone's laughing,my Lord, cumbaya
Oh Lord, cumbaya

Someone's crying, my Lord, cumbayah
Someone's crying, my Lord, cumbayah
Someone's crying, my Lord, cumbayah
Oh Lord, cumbayah

Someone's praying, my Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, my Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's sleeping, my Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, my Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping,my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

D. Spencer Hines

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 aug 2006 20:39:40

PRIMA NOCTA.

http://www.primanocta.com.au/

Nope...

Vicarious and/or Virtual Sex is not my cup of tea.

DSH
----------------------------------------------------------------

"Letitia Cluff"
------------------------------

Hilarious!

Yes, she certainly sounds like a Bull Dyke Atheist who is having a bad-hair
day.

Enjoy, Veronique!

Christmas In August!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Deus Vult

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

Gjest

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 aug 2006 20:41:02

Dear Vince,
You`re likely correct that the infantry would have a better
chance than the riders in a paintball match... especially as more often than
not it would be the horses rather than the riders getting hit. Interesting
though , in more than a thousand years probably the greatest inovations in fox
hunting have been guns and a far more democratic idea of who had the legal right
to ride in one. Frankly, I think They should at least give it a try on the
ground.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

Julian Richards

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Julian Richards » 20 aug 2006 21:26:30

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:37:02 +0300, Renia <renia@DELETEotenet.gr>
wrote:

That's below the belt. Eve's booklets have helped thousands of
genealogists. You, in particular, might find one of them VERY useful:
Simple Latin For Family Historians.

Perhaps Family Latin for Simple Historians would be better.

Apparently, we are very distantly related, God help me.
--

Julian Richards

http://www.richardsuk.f9.co.uk
Website of "Robot Wars" middleweight "Broadsword IV"

THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL

Grey Satterfield

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Grey Satterfield » 20 aug 2006 22:47:41

On 8/20/06 3:26 PM, in article p7hhe2dkekovbu29d323mu7l53n6ngl8t1@4ax.com,
"Julian Richards" <julian@spam-me-not.co.uk> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:37:02 +0300, Renia <renia@DELETEotenet.gr
wrote:

That's below the belt. Eve's booklets have helped thousands of
genealogists. You, in particular, might find one of them VERY useful:
Simple Latin For Family Historians.

Perhaps Family Latin for Simple Historians would be better.

Apparently, we are very distantly related, God help me.

My God, the burden! :)

Grey Satterfield

Hugh Watkins

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 20 aug 2006 22:47:54

fillern OFF HINES YOU IGNORANT PIG

Hugh W

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Hilarious!

Beware The Ghastly Fox Hunters.

DSH

"Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:R+ACpFARf05EFwDo@varneys.demon.co.uk...


In article <44e71096$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Nigel Bufton
nigel@bufton.org> writes


Fox hunting kept the fox population down.
Now many areas are having problems with more foxes roaming free.

They are becoming a serious problem in Maida Vale, I gather - whereas we
rarely see them in the country.
Or the ghstly [sic] hunters, thank goodness.
--
Eve McLaughlin





--

new computer = new blog
http://mac-on-intel.blogspot.com/

daily blogs with new photos
http://snaps2006.blogspot.com/
http://slim2005.blogspot.com/

family history
http://hughw36.blogspot.com

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 23:41:38

"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:...
"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ehavre3snm549@corp.supernews.com...

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

btw, I didn't "pretend" to be objective. I'm here to learn. I expect
more quality - ergo more intelligent - discourse - from people I
like,
such as you, Grey. Often I'm let down as such because it melts down
into the "I hate [the other side]" rhetoric. And, even if I'm not so
"objective", why don't you tell me where I'm wrong instead of
insulting
me and making snide comments about me in the third person to others?
What "nonsense" did I pander to?

The "refereeing" was meant to be fun. But you guys take Usenet
waaaaay
too seriously.

Oh well, my mama always said ... among friends you just don't argue
politics or religion ...%)

btw, Hippo has a much thicker hide than you do. And I have a pretty
thick skin too. Whatever you need to say to me you can say to me
directly instead of your ongoing snide remarks to others.

They do take it too seriously. So do I at times. You are welcome to
kick
me in the fanny when I do.

I'll do that! I bet it would be like kicking a fluffy pillow! ... :)
One thing I do really feel sorry about is if I think I've hurt
somebody's
feelings, or if somebody really feels hurt by what I said. Anger I can
take. Frustration. Disagreement. But, "hurt"? I feel like sh*t,
especially when it's somebody I like, for instance Grey.

I can't say it enough. TAKE WHAT I SAY WITH A GRAIN OF SALT! What I
have to say isn't all that important anyway! Geeze ....

It depends what their investment is. Usenet is a distraction for me. I've
just fed 14 people (5 soldiers, 4 kids from school, 1 kid on suspension,
and 4 adults) breakfast. For others it has become their lives. Men, too,
are naturally competitive, which can get in the way of light
conversation.
It's probably why many women have been driven off of Usenet.

You're right about women for the most part being driven off of Usenet. It
*has*, for the most part become a man's game. However, since I prefer the
camaraderie of men to the catty coterie of women, I tend to dig in my
heels,
plug my nose at appropriate times, and take the insults with a grain of
salt. When I refer to the cattiness of women btw, I don't mean *all*
women.
There are some smart, witty, intelligent women who participate from time
to
time - in fact, I'd say the remaining women who participate in these
x-posts
fit that category - they don't participate often enough. Probably because
they have even less patience than I have with the male dick sizing
contests
that occur. One of my f*ing pet peeves is the long LONG LONG childish
flame
wars between the usual suspects, almost always men.


Ay, mi muy estimado hipopotamo voluptuoso! It is almost 4:00 p.m. PST in

my part of canuckistan, with potentially many more hours of fighting and
flaming and
feather fluffing in this world we call Usenet; but I think I've just about
had my limit of boys behaving badly!

Between threats of subpoenas and lawsuits for slander, participants
*plonking* each other and yet still talking about their plonkees as indirect
asides to 3rd parties, variations of "I'm a man, you're not .... No, you're
not a man, my friend is twice the man you are ..... ", the angry anti-Bush
team on the left vs. the angry anti-anti-Bush crew on the right. Guys
playing usenet shrinks, directing usenet enemies to psychologists when
they're not telling them they're a waste of skin, or wouldn't be missed if
they were dead. The lowest of the low was the one who denigrated the
appearance and work of his opponent's wife who has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do
with anything on Usenet.

I can see why wimmin wash their hands of the whole thing. It almost makes
me want to become lesbian ... %)

Hips, if there's one thing I/we can take out of this, it is ..... let
someone special know you love them and give them a hug; in your case, it
might be the dog ... but just the same ......%).

Sushi and a cocktail beckon *moi* and hopefully soon a call from someone I
love ....

- nilita

Eve McLaughlin

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av Eve McLaughlin » 20 aug 2006 23:51:42

Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude.

Go away and learn Latin, if you are trying to use it.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

D. Spencer Hines

Vullages

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 aug 2006 23:53:27

A VULLAGE?

A vullage is merely a storage shed for vulvae -- as any fool should know.

DSH

"John Cartmell" <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4e598f965ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk...

It would be wonderful to know what a vullage is! ;-)

--
John

Renia

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av Renia » 21 aug 2006 00:25:46

Eve McLaughlin wrote:


Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude.


Go away and learn Latin, if you are trying to use it.
--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
including Simple Latin for Family Historians and D.Spencer Pines
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 21 aug 2006 00:27:05

Hmmmmmmmm...

Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard -- Literally...

Well, No Surprises There, Victoria.

See Below...

Enjoy!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

"I don't care a twopenny damn what becomes of the ashes of Napoleon
Buonaparte." ---- Attributed to Arthur Wellesley, [1769-1852] Duke of
Wellington

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus.
----------------------------------------------------

""Roy Stockdill"" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:44E33982.21081.3BF6F3@localhost...

Thought I would post the following, just to show that hypocrisy certainly
does not reign here entirely. I am a current living person (though my
wife says she sometimes has her doubts!).

I was born on 4th July 1940 at 217 Horton Lane, Bradford, Yorkshire. In
fact, though the address on my birth certificate looks like a private
home, it was in fact St Luke's Hospital where probably half the
population of the city of Bradford was born in those days. However, up
to about 1927/8 it had formerly been the Bradford Union Workhouse and
for donkeys years afterwards the local registrars apparently thought
there was some kind of stigma attached to it, thus they only put the
street address. You see, there was absurd over-sensitivity even in those
days.

My father was Leonard Stockdill, an engineer's clerk at the time who
later became a publican. My mother was Molly Midgley and they weren't
married when I came along because my dad was still legally married to,
though separated from, his first wife.

My birth wasn't actually registered until the following January 1941,
which meant my parents technically committed a criminal offence, since
births are supposed to be registered within 42 days. However, there was
a war on and I expect they were too busy to think about it. They
eventually married in the October of 1942 when my father's divorce had
come through.

So I was born illegitimate in a former workhouse, my parents committed
an offence by registering my birth outside the permitted time and they
weren't married until some two years and three months after I was born.

Why should I worry about telling the world this? Oh - and, BTW, anyone
thinking of ripping off my bank account now that they know my mother's
maiden name would be wasting their time because I don't use it as the
password.

There - why some people feel that having such knowledge made public
is an invasion of their privacy will remain a bit of a mystery to me, I'm
afraid. But there are lots of sensitive little souls around, I suppose.

Gjest

Re: Odinel and Simon Comyn, sons of Richard Comyn (d. 1182)

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 aug 2006 00:31:01

In a message dated 8/20/2006 7:37:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Jwc1870@aol.com writes:

If Odinel ware only mentioned in the 1162 document


I believe he is specifically called a witness. Correct?

Gjest

Re: Odinel and Simon Comyn, sons of Richard Comyn (d. 1182)

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 aug 2006 01:06:02

Dear Will,
Boyer does He fact say Odo or Odinel witnessed grants by his
father to the abbey of Kelso and to Holyrood, but one should see the charter
to be sure He wasn`t merely mentioned.. Simon is mentioned as named in the
grant to Holyrood, then David is listed as Richard`s son, but it`s clear He
wasn`t as no David Comyn is listed in the Athol / Comyn grant to Saint Cuthbert`s
church in Durham, England. Odo later became a monk apparently He was at least
in training at a monastary in 1182. Richard Comyn died abt 1179 according to
Alan Young, Boyer`s date based on SP is bet 1176 and 1182 and in 1176 a Richard
Comyn was fined 100 pounds for failing to attend a justice eyre in
Northumberland, in 1179 Richard Comyn was mentioned as having a hunting station in
Selkirkshire, so He may have been Keeper of the Royal Forest. Which is interesting
as when Robert Bruce allowed Richard Comyn, son of Thomas, son of Robert
Comyn, the uncle who had been killed with John the Red Comyn II to return to
Scotland and settle at Altyre, in addition to the Comyn chiefship He granted him
the same office.
Sincerely,

James W Cummings

Dixmont, Maine USA

Grey Satterfield

Re: Vullages

Legg inn av Grey Satterfield » 21 aug 2006 01:50:11

On 8/20/06 5:53 PM, in article 4K5Gg.110$15.1581@eagle.america.net, "D.
Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote:

A VULLAGE?

A vullage is merely a storage shed for vulvae -- as any fool should know.

Do puseants live there?

Grey Satterfield

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 03:33:35

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

It's quite EASY to get along superbly with someone you have even never
MET.

It's also easy to form an opinion of someone purely from what they write
over time. It's harder for you, I realize, proven by your frequent clumsy
misses and reliance on biographical specifics, but judging personality isn't
as difficult from me as it is for you. It is one strength of *my*
personality type. -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 21 aug 2006 03:36:04

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ei6s4mh9m8j41@corp.supernews.com...
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

It's quite EASY to get along superbly with someone you have even never
MET.

It's also easy to form an opinion of someone purely from what they write
over time. It's harder for you, I realize, proven by your frequent clumsy
misses and reliance on biographical specifics, but judging personality
isn't as difficult from me as it is for you. It is one strength of *my*
personality type. -the Troll

Thank you, Hipster. You and I got along well from the get-go because we
recognized a kind of "kindred spirit", among other things- not liking to be
at the bidding of control freaks who tell us how we should be, how we should
talk, how we should act, etc. etc. etc. ....

We're rebels, Hipmeister!

And a High-Five!

- nilita

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 03:37:04

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Yuppers, Hips. I'm thinking of putting a killfile on everybody except
*you*. I tell ya, hipster ... *they* don't understand my work ...%)

Chuckle, if you are in the head shrinking business I don't either. -the
Troll

Trust me ... I don't shrink heads! If I did, I'd be wearing said heads on
a chain around my neck ....%)

That's what all the head shrinkers say to disarm their victims. -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 21 aug 2006 03:39:28

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ei72kqr4v4tb6@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Yuppers, Hips. I'm thinking of putting a killfile on everybody except
*you*. I tell ya, hipster ... *they* don't understand my work ...%)

Chuckle, if you are in the head shrinking business I don't either. -the
Troll

Trust me ... I don't shrink heads! If I did, I'd be wearing said heads
on a chain around my neck ....%)

That's what all the head shrinkers say to disarm their victims. -the Troll

Geebus, Hippikins. In the near future, somebody is making me a
personal/professional web page. When it's done, you can email me for the
link ... and you'll see that I'm ... ummm... a bit "different" from a
headshrinker ...%)

- nilita, and i won't charge you ... har!

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 21 aug 2006 03:42:53

Nonsense.

Judging someone strictly by what they post on USENET and send in email is no
way to limn one's Total Character.

Only a Rank, Naive Amateur would try to do so -- as you have done with "La
Nilita" -- without ever having met her.

DSH

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ei6s4mh9m8j41@corp.supernews.com...
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

It's quite EASY to get along superbly with someone you have even never
MET.

It's also easy to form an opinion of someone purely from what they write
over time. It's harder for you, I realize, proven by your frequent clumsy
misses and reliance on biographical specifics, but judging personality
isn't as difficult from [sic] me as it is for you. It is one strength of
*my* personality type. -the Troll

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 21 aug 2006 03:46:04

The thing you two have most in common -- that creates a bond between you --
is that you are both FAT.

See Below...

DSH

"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:o_8Gg.14293$tP4.12303@clgrps12...
"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ei6s4mh9m8j41@corp.supernews.com...

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

It's quite EASY to get along superbly with someone you have even never
MET.

It's also easy to form an opinion of someone purely from what they write
over time. It's harder for you, I realize, proven by your frequent clumsy
misses and reliance on biographical specifics, but judging personality
isn't as difficult from me as it is for you. It is one strength of *my*
personality type. -the Troll

Thank you, Hipster. You and I got along well from the get-go because we
recognized a kind of "kindred spirit", among other things- not liking to
be at the bidding of control freaks who tell us how we should be, how we
should talk, how we should act, etc. etc. etc. ....

"What we should EAT..."

DSH

We're rebels, Hipmeister!

And a High-Five!

- nilita

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 21 aug 2006 03:49:19

How do *you* know I'm fat? You already told Hippo that you've never met me.
I'm guessing that *you* hallucinate a lot. Would I be right?

- nilita

PS: Top poster, R U jellus that the hipster and I like each other? Or.
Why does that bother you so much ....

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:089Gg.121$15.1623@eagle.america.net...
The thing you two have most in common -- that creates a bond between
you -- is that you are both FAT.

See Below...

DSH

"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:o_8Gg.14293$tP4.12303@clgrps12...

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ei6s4mh9m8j41@corp.supernews.com...

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

It's quite EASY to get along superbly with someone you have even never
MET.

It's also easy to form an opinion of someone purely from what they write
over time. It's harder for you, I realize, proven by your frequent
clumsy misses and reliance on biographical specifics, but judging
personality isn't as difficult from me as it is for you. It is one
strength of *my* personality type. -the Troll

Thank you, Hipster. You and I got along well from the get-go because we
recognized a kind of "kindred spirit", among other things- not liking to
be at the bidding of control freaks who tell us how we should be, how we
should talk, how we should act, etc. etc. etc. ....

"What we should EAT..."

DSH

We're rebels, Hipmeister!

And a High-Five!

- nilita


hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 04:03:30

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Not attending an AIDS conference shows his good sense. It doesn't get the
research done any faster and is mostly political window dressing like
anti-mine and ecology conferences.

An acquaintance of mine, Stephen Lewis, has until recently been the AIDS
Ambassador for the U.N. to Africa. He is more p*ssed off at the South
African government for its cavalier attitude towards AIDS. He said they
promoted an attitude of providing roots, lemons, and garlic instead of
advocating anti-viral drugs. Of course, everybody knows by now that Bill
Gates and Bill Clinton were the headliners of the conference.

Speaking of AIDS, this week I watched a CBC documentary discussing the
possible origins of AIDS being contaminated polio vaccine administered to
children in the Belgian Congo:
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/originofaids/polio.html

It sounds possible. The problem with the African governments was concealing
the danger from their own people so as not to adversely effect tourism, and
refusing to research how it was spread so widely and quickly. I'm of two
minds about AIDS in Africa. If the people refuse to change cultural habits,
keeping those infected alive longer will only result in more carriers to
spread the disease and promote the notion that it isn't as dangerous as it
really is. We've seen some of that here already. The kids seem more
concerned with HPV than AIDS.




How did he get elected without the support of the Quebecois? -the Troll


He managed to take seats from the Liberals and the Bloc Quebecois in that
province. Here's a good synopsis:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006 ... 60123.html

That is good, thanks. -the Troll

Gjest

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 aug 2006 04:15:08

Dear Renia, Grey, Spencer and Others,
I`ve found quite a
few ancestor with unusual names including Tryphena Dwinnell, Banfield Capron,
Onesiphorus Page, a rather unfortunately named ancestral cousin Clapp Ward,
Syrena Boyd Garland, Salina E Jenkins, my late aunt Rena Ida Cummings, Aurilla
Ethel Croxford and probably my personal favorite, Lot Strange.
Sincerely,
James W
Cummings
Dixmont,
Maine USA

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 04:40:40

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

....... I think sometimes we need to
be reminded as human beings that we are *more* than our differences ...
that we have shared experiences, etc. etc. Ohmygawd ... did I just
about
break into Kumbaya??? I think I just about made myself sick ...
gaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

Yes, yes, yes, and I don't even know the words. -the Troll

[.]

Ahem, I don't know the words because I don't want to know the words. They
come from what was, to me, a wretched period of national hysterical post
adolescent adolescence. I prefer children who want to become adults, take on
responsibility, and who are working towards a goal and stay on the road to
get there. It's for them I'm willing to bust my fanny.

Funny story, one of the soldiers this weekend told his girlfriend he was
going to spend the weekend in 'guy heaven', which he described as a place
with plenty of food in the fridge and ten spare rolls of TP under the
sink. -the Troll

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 21 aug 2006 04:40:51

Right!

You are FAR too pessimistic and timid about the chances of conservatives in
Elections, "Hippo".

Grow Some Cojones.

DSH

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ei9lao17l2o9f@corp.supernews.com...

Right, I put that badly. I always thought that with the strength of the
left in francophone Canada and separately in Toronto and Vancouver a
conservative could never get the chance to form a government. -the Troll

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 04:42:55

"La N" wrote in message

It isn't the left part but the relative objective part with which I
disagree. Most of the lefties here are knee jerks, she isn't. That makes
her comparatively objective in my book. I make no claim she, or anyone
else, is perfect. -the Troll


My years of meditation training have paid off ....;) And btw, who the
hell would *want* to be perfect! Geebus, I'm one of the least perfect
people I know! And that's part of my charm ...%)

Yup, it's what makes us human. -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 21 aug 2006 04:46:01

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eiaprl389gg48@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

...... I think sometimes we need to
be reminded as human beings that we are *more* than our differences ...
that we have shared experiences, etc. etc. Ohmygawd ... did I just
about
break into Kumbaya??? I think I just about made myself sick ...
gaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

Yes, yes, yes, and I don't even know the words. -the Troll

[.]

Ahem, I don't know the words because I don't want to know the words. They
come from what was, to me, a wretched period of national hysterical post
adolescent adolescence. I prefer children who want to become adults, take
on responsibility, and who are working towards a goal and stay on the road
to get there. It's for them I'm willing to bust my fanny.

Bust yer "fanny", Hippo? That sounds ... well ... so gay .... %)

btw, I learned Kumbaya when I was a Brownie and then a Girl Guide. I don't
know what the counterparts are in the U.S. - Girl Scouts? In any case, the
song didn't seem to have the negative connotation as it does down where
y'all are.

Funny story, one of the soldiers this weekend told his girlfriend he was
going to spend the weekend in 'guy heaven', which he described as a place
with plenty of food in the fridge and ten spare rolls of TP under the
sink. -the Troll

If there was x-tra toilet paper under the sink ... that can only mean one
thing ... wimmin!!!!! .. :))))

Most bachelors I know complain that 4 4olls of toilet paper will last them a
month .... until a woman moves in! And then it lasts maybe 3 days.

- nilita

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 21 aug 2006 04:50:15

"La Nilita" descends into New Depths of Scatological Delight.

DSH

"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Z%9Gg.14309$tP4.1961@clgrps12...

If there was x-tra toilet paper under the sink ... that can only mean one
thing ... wimmin!!!!! .. :))))

Most bachelors I know complain that 4 rolls of toilet paper will last them
a month .... until a woman moves in! And then it lasts maybe 3 days.

- nilita

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 04:56:56

"La N" wrote in message

Hips, if there's one thing I/we can take out of this, it is ..... let
someone special know you love them and give them a hug; in your case, it
might be the dog ... but just the same ......%).

Men don't think in those terms. Because we don't I can say it isn't natural
for us and unfair to expect it. That's one of my pet peeves about women;
they expect us to react like women when we aren't and make us feel guilty
when we don't.

The dog (Harry) is asleep next to my chair and the only phone call I'll get
is some kid needing advice or the appliance repair service telling me my
part is in and that's fine with me. :^) -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 21 aug 2006 05:19:12

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eibobaut4o433@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

Hips, if there's one thing I/we can take out of this, it is ..... let
someone special know you love them and give them a hug; in your case, it
might be the dog ... but just the same ......%).

Men don't think in those terms. Because we don't I can say it isn't
natural for us and unfair to expect it. That's one of my pet peeves about
women; they expect us to react like women when we aren't and make us feel
guilty when we don't.

The dog (Harry) is asleep next to my chair and the only phone call I'll
get is some kid needing advice or the appliance repair service telling me
my part is in and that's fine with me. :^) -the Troll


My gawd! I have a cat named Harry!

And my SO has called me twice tonight - once on the road from a trip from
Virginia to Florida, and just now on his arrival (straight to bed) in
Florida, to tell me he loves me. He is waaaay more romantic than *moi*,
and that shocks the hell out of me, considering he is a recovering playboy
one of whose ex's is an ex Miss Florida ... ;)

btw ... for the curious (yellow) ... i'm gonna let a bit of the cat out of
the bag. Some time last spring someone from my very distant past got back
in touch with me. Right out of the blue. And just at a time that I
happened to be wondering whatever happened to him. Serendipity is a funny
thing.

Hipster, he's trying to convince me that the "M" word isn't such a bad thing
... ;)

In any case, he's a little peeved that I won't travel down there for the
next shuttle lift-off off the end of August (he'll send me real time
you-are-there photos), as I'm gonna be busy in canuckistan. I hope to
convince him to spend September up here, although he's afear'ed that we
start building igloos in September ... gggrrr .... And then, when I'm
finished with my work thingy in October, we will head down to Florida to -
among other things - visit with Jack Linthicum (who knows zee story).

He is trying to convince me to become American ... dammit! ... ;)

To be (slightly) on topic, his father was a very courageous Air Force
Colonel in WWII and the Korean War, and so my sweetie was an Air Force brat.

Anyway, Hipster, I don't know if I will break any hearts apart from yours,
but I know "Big Daddy" will be breaking a lot of female hearts if he
convinces this crazy canuckistanian woman that sunny Florida is *the way*
.... ;)

- nilita

John P. Mullen

Re: Vullages

Legg inn av John P. Mullen » 21 aug 2006 05:42:31

Grey Satterfield wrote:

On 8/20/06 5:53 PM, in article 4K5Gg.110$15.1581@eagle.america.net, "D.
Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote:


A VULLAGE?

A vullage is merely a storage shed for vulvae -- as any fool should know.


Do puseants live there?

Grey Satterfield



No. Just pissants.

John Mullen

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 21 aug 2006 06:30:48

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:
:> "hippo" wrote:
:>
:> :
:> :"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:> :
:> :> "hippo" wrote:
:> :
:> :[.]
:> :
:> :> :Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
:> :> :sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
:> :> :here. -the Troll
:> :>
:> :> True, but so what? As I said, she is less objective than many.
:> :
:> :Not from my discussions with her. I've seen her object to outrages posted
:> by
:> :lefties and pin their noses to the ground. The knee jerks won't do
:> :that. -the Troll
:>
:> Hippo, READ WHAT I SAID! Turn your hormones off, or whatever the
:> problem is. Did I says she was a "knee jerk" Lefty Loon? No, I did
:> not. I said she leans left and is less objective in her judgments
:> than many.
:>
:> What is your (and her) problem with any intimation that she isn't
:> perfect?
:
:It isn't the left part but the relative objective part with which I
:disagree. Most of the lefties here are knee jerks, she isn't. That makes her
:comparatively objective in my book. I make no claim she, or anyone else, is
:perfect. -the Troll

So your view is that merely not being a knee jerk is sufficient ... if
one is Nilita or one is Left?

I don't think so. One more time - I said she leans left and is less
objective in her judgements than many. I'll help you out, since you
don't seem to quite get it, and explain that I'm not restricting my
field of regard to those who are 'Left'.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 21 aug 2006 07:07:58

"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:n5hie29ls2jl0eds5i707larqis831mc5d@4ax.com...
"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:
:> "hippo" wrote:
:
:> :
:> :"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:> :
:> :> "hippo" wrote:
:> :
:> :[.]
:> :
:> :> :Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf
and
:> :> :sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like
some
:> :> :here. -the Troll
:> :
:> :> True, but so what? As I said, she is less objective than many.
:> :
:> :Not from my discussions with her. I've seen her object to outrages
posted
:> by
:> :lefties and pin their noses to the ground. The knee jerks won't do
:> :that. -the Troll
:
:> Hippo, READ WHAT I SAID! Turn your hormones off, or whatever the
:> problem is. Did I says she was a "knee jerk" Lefty Loon? No, I did
:> not. I said she leans left and is less objective in her judgments
:> than many.
:
:> What is your (and her) problem with any intimation that she isn't
:> perfect?
:
:It isn't the left part but the relative objective part with which I
:disagree. Most of the lefties here are knee jerks, she isn't. That makes
her
:comparatively objective in my book. I make no claim she, or anyone else,
is
:perfect. -the Troll

So your view is that merely not being a knee jerk is sufficient ... if
one is Nilita or one is Left?

I don't think so. One more time - I said she leans left and is less
objective in her judgements than many. I'll help you out, since you
don't seem to quite get it, and explain that I'm not restricting my
field of regard to those who are 'Left'.



What part of Hippo troll and I are friends and we like and respect each
other despite our differences do you not get, Fred?

- nilita

Ken Ozanne

Re: Scottish Peerage CD

Legg inn av Ken Ozanne » 21 aug 2006 09:11:01

Tim,
I've put mine on HD too, but the name of the folder is Scottish Peerage
XXX where XXX is my password. I don't have to go looking and that takes away
most of the pain. CP disks are not password protected, of course.

Best,
Ken

On 18/8/2006 22:28, "GEN-MEDIEVAL-D-request@rootsweb.com"
<GEN-MEDIEVAL-D-request@rootsweb.com> wrote:

From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:18:37 +0100
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Complete Peerage CD is NOT searchable

In message of 18 Aug, "John P. DuLong" <dulongd@habitant.org> wrote:

This was on CP

Would you please tell me if these Adobe Acrobat files are password
protected? This is the case with the Scots Peerage and it is tiresome
to continually enter it when I go back to the index.

Agreed that the password is a bit of a pain but it is very short and
does not take long.

I have copied the files for the nine volumes to my hard disc as this
enormously speeds up access. And I also put in a little Volume index
file which I open in a corner of my desktop to give the peers in each
volume:

Vol Families
=== ========

1 Kings and A to Balmerino
2 Banff to Cranstoun
3 Crawford to Falkland
4 Fife to Hyndford
5 Innermeath to Mar
6 Marchmont to Oxfuird
7 Panmure to Sinclair
8 Somerville to Winton
9 Corrigenda and Index

Armed with this I very rarely have to use the Index volume that has the
password.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

Renia

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Renia » 21 aug 2006 09:18:36

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Nonsense.

Judging someone strictly by what they post on USENET and send in email is no
way to limn one's Total Character.

Only a Rank, Naive Amateur would try to do so -- as you have done with "La
Nilita" -- without ever having met her.

DSH

There is a usenet character and a real-life character. Both facets of
one's whole character. Some people get on well on usenet who might even
loathe each other in real life. For others, the opposite. Maybe even you
are a delightful person in real life. But, somehow, I doubt it.

Renia

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Renia » 21 aug 2006 09:20:26

La N wrote:

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eiaprl389gg48@corp.supernews.com...

"La N" wrote in message


"hippo" wrote in message

...... I think sometimes we need to

be reminded as human beings that we are *more* than our differences ...
that we have shared experiences, etc. etc. Ohmygawd ... did I just
about
break into Kumbaya??? I think I just about made myself sick ...
gaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

Yes, yes, yes, and I don't even know the words. -the Troll

[.]

Ahem, I don't know the words because I don't want to know the words. They
come from what was, to me, a wretched period of national hysterical post
adolescent adolescence. I prefer children who want to become adults, take
on responsibility, and who are working towards a goal and stay on the road
to get there. It's for them I'm willing to bust my fanny.


Bust yer "fanny", Hippo? That sounds ... well ... so gay .... %)

Not to a Brit, it doesn't. Only gay girls have f@annies in England.

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 21 aug 2006 09:37:42

"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

:Most bachelors I know complain that 4 4olls of toilet paper will last them a
:month .... until a woman moves in! And then it lasts maybe 3 days.

We're pretty sure that actually y'all eat the stuff...

Gjest

Re: Coheirs of Robert de Tateshal (dsp 1305/6): a correction

Legg inn av Gjest » 21 aug 2006 12:46:02

Dear Rosie,

Many thanks for that! The IPM details you provide, for Joan
and her son John de Driby, agree with the information from
the CCR, showing that Alice (de Driby) de Bernake was the
eventual heir (in 1336).

The conflation of the two Johns (de Driby) is a widespread
error; in addition to my database (up until today), this is the
case as shown at present on Genealogics. By way of
this message, I am passing this on to Leo. I have also
corrected the chart posted previously, showing both Simon and
John de Driby (the correct one) as sons of Joan (de Tateshal)
de Driby.

Cheers,

John





Ralph fitz Ranulf = 2) Anastasia de Percy
I
I
Robert de Tateshal = Joan 'filia Ranulfi'
Lord Tateshal I 2nd dau. and coheiress
d. bef 8 Sept 1298 I d. ca. 1 Apr 1310
_______________________I___________
I I I I
Robert Emma Isabel Joan = Robert
d. bef = Adam = John I de
28 Jul de Cailly de I Driby
1303 I Orreby I
I I I ______I______________
I I I I I I
Robert Margery Philip ALICE Simon John
dsp = Roger de <coheir> = Maud dvp
bef 30 de Orreby = WILLIAM de bef
Jan Clifton I de BERNAKE Nerford 20 June
1305/6 I I I 1334
I I I
I I V
ADAM JOHN
de CLIFTON de
<coheir> ORREBY
= Eleanor de <coheir,
Mortimer minor
I in 1336>
I
V

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 14:58:42

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

It's quite EASY to get along superbly with someone you have even never
MET.

It's also easy to form an opinion of someone purely from what they write
over time. It's harder for you, I realize, proven by your frequent clumsy
misses and reliance on biographical specifics, but judging personality
isn't as difficult from me as it is for you. It is one strength of *my*
personality type. -the Troll

Thank you, Hipster. You and I got along well from the get-go because we
recognized a kind of "kindred spirit", among other things- not liking to
be at the bidding of control freaks who tell us how we should be, how we
should talk, how we should act, etc. etc. etc. ....

We're rebels, Hipmeister!

And a High-Five!

Chuckle, high five back.

You're right about control freaks. Being around them is like being in prison
or smothered by a pillow.

As to being a rebel, I was a right winger right through college in the early
'70s, one of the few Republicans in a solidly Democratic state, and ran away
from home to join the army, none the usual course for counter-culture
rebels. -the Troll

Patricia Junkin

Re: Coheirs of Robert de Tateshal (dsp 1305/6): a correction

Legg inn av Patricia Junkin » 21 aug 2006 15:00:05

"Fine, Trinity, 8 Edward III, 1334. Between John de Driby of Tatershale,
parson of a mediety of the church of Hedersete, plaintiff, and Roger de
Estbriggeforde, chaplain, and John Cleymond, of Kirketon, defendants, of the
manors of Breedon and Holewell and 14 marks, 12 1/4 d of rent, the rents of
3 lbs. of pepper, 1/2 lb. of cummin, and amoiety of 4 capons and 2 hens, two
parts of a messuage and one virgate of land in Ketilby and Holewell, also a
third part of the manor of Somerdeby and the advowson of the priory of
Langleye by Diseworth. The above manors and lands are declared to be the
right of Roger, which Roger granted them to John de Dryby [for life], the
reversion of them to John son of Thomas de Dryby, and Amie the daughter of
Piers de Gaveston, and their issue, and in default to John de Kirketon,
chivaler, and his issue, in default to Robert de Ltlebury, chivaler, and his
issue, in default to the right heirs of John de Driby forever."

Apparently the John who married Amie was the son of Thomas Dryby.
Pat

----------
From: Therav3@aol.com
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Coheirs of Robert de Tateshal (dsp 1305/6): a correction
Date: Sun, 20, 2006, 11:34 PM


Sunday, 20 August, 2006


Dear Leo, Doug, et al.,

I noted today an entry in the Close Rolls which confirms
certain relationships among the coheirs of Robert de Tateshal,
Lord Tateshal (d.s.p. bef 30 Jan 1305/6), but which also
indicates necessary corrections to the Driby descendants of
Joan de Tateshal as previously understood.

Following is part of the text of an order dated at
Guildford, 18 April 10 Edw. III (1336):

' To the treasurer and barons of the exchequer and to the
chamberlains. Order to cause Adam de Fyncham to be discharged
and released of the issues of the lands delivered to Adam de
Clyfton, William Bernak and Alice his wife as their purparties,
from 18 March last, provided that answer is made to the king
for the issues of the purparty of John de Orreby, a minor in
the king's wardship for the lands demised in the hands of Adam
de Fyncham; as of the lands which Joan, late the wife of
Robert de Tateshale, tenant in chief of Edwar I., who died
while a minor in the said king's wardship, held in dower with
the assent of Adam de Clyfton, kinsman and co-heir of Robert,
of William Bernak, who married Alice, another co-heir, and of
Geoffrey le Scrop, to whom the king granted the custody of the
lands which are of the inheritance of John [de Orreby], third
kinsman and co-heir of Robert, to hold until John came of
age,...' [1]


This entry confirms the Clifton descent (see below), but
indicates the Driby coheir in 1336 was Alice de Driby, daughter
of Sir Robert de Driby and Joan de Tateshal, and wife of Sir
William de Bernake. John de Driby, known best as the husband
of Amie de Gaveston, has to date been considered a son of Sir
Robert by Joan de Tateshal, but it is clear that he was the
descendant of another (evidently 1st) wife of Sir Robert.

Following is a chart reflecting the relationships of the
Tateshal coheirs in 1336. At the time of the IPM in 1305/6,
Thomas de Cailly, Isabel de Tatesal (wife of de Orreby) and
Joan de Tateshal (wife of Robert de Driby) were the coheirs.
[NOTE * : Simon de Driby and John de Driby are shown as issue
of a first wife of Robert de Driby, but it is possible that
Simon d.v.p. and was the son of Joan.]


Ralph fitz Ranulf = 2) Anastasia de Percy
I
I
Robert de Tateshal = Joan 'filia Ranulfi'
Lord Tateshal I 2nd dau. and coheiress
d. bef 8 Sept 1298 I d. ca. 1 Apr 1310
_______________________I___________
I I I I
Robert Emma Isabel 2) Joan = Robert = 1) NN
d. bef = Adam = John I de I
28 Jul de Cailly de I Driby I
1303 I Orreby ______I I
I I I I _________I___
I I I I I I
Robert Margery Philip ALICE Simon John
dsp = Roger de <coheir> = Maud = Amie
bef 30 de Orreby = WILLIAM de de
Jan Clifton I de BERNAKE Nerford Gaveston
1305/6 I I I
I I I
I I V
ADAM JOHN
de CLIFTON de
coheir> ORREBY
= Eleanor de <coheir,
Mortimer minor
I in 1336
I
V


Cheers,

John *



NOTES

[1] CCR Edw. III, A.D. 1330-1333 (10 Edw. III), mem. 32, p. 570.


* John P. Ravilious








La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 21 aug 2006 15:14:49

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:ecbq8n$1at$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Nonsense.

Judging someone strictly by what they post on USENET and send in email is
no way to limn one's Total Character.

Only a Rank, Naive Amateur would try to do so -- as you have done with
"La Nilita" -- without ever having met her.

DSH

There is a usenet character and a real-life character. Both facets of
one's whole character. Some people get on well on usenet who might even
loathe each other in real life. For others, the opposite. Maybe even you
are a delightful person in real life. But, somehow, I doubt it.

I am pretty much the same IRL as I am on Usenet - that is, easygoing, wacky
sense of humour, interested in what people have to say about their lives,
careers, etc.

- nilita

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 21 aug 2006 15:16:59

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ejf0k5elmak56@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

It's quite EASY to get along superbly with someone you have even never
MET.

It's also easy to form an opinion of someone purely from what they write
over time. It's harder for you, I realize, proven by your frequent
clumsy misses and reliance on biographical specifics, but judging
personality isn't as difficult from me as it is for you. It is one
strength of *my* personality type. -the Troll

Thank you, Hipster. You and I got along well from the get-go because we
recognized a kind of "kindred spirit", among other things- not liking to
be at the bidding of control freaks who tell us how we should be, how we
should talk, how we should act, etc. etc. etc. ....

We're rebels, Hipmeister!

And a High-Five!

Chuckle, high five back.

You're right about control freaks. Being around them is like being in
prison or smothered by a pillow.

I used to have nightmares of walking down the marital aisle as a lamb to
slaughter with a rope around my neck ... %)

As to being a rebel, I was a right winger right through college in the
early '70s, one of the few Republicans in a solidly Democratic state, and
ran away from home to join the army, none the usual course for
counter-culture rebels. -the Troll


Hips, you were my right wing counterpart. I was a left wing hippie flower
child who ran away from home to ... well .... to ... I don't think I joined
the army ...;p

- nilita

Alan Holmes

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av Alan Holmes » 21 aug 2006 15:17:59

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:ecar1l$lf8$2@mouse.otenet.gr...
Eve McLaughlin wrote:


Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude.


Go away and learn Latin, if you are trying to use it.
--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
including Simple Latin for Family Historians and D.Spencer Pines
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society


And your point is?

Alan

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 15:20:48

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

Nonsense.

Judging someone strictly by what they post on USENET and send in email is
no way to limn one's Total Character.

Only a Rank, Naive Amateur would try to do so -- as you have done with "La
Nilita" -- without ever having met her.

You are too predictable. You need to understand others don't have your
difficulties judging character. Character is manifest in many ways, not just
by shaking hands. There are thousands of threads leading to the core of a
person's character. Any one of them can be followed with the same result.
Appearance and biographical details matter very little. -the Troll

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 15:23:56

"La N" wrote in message

.....and i won't charge you ... har!

That's what they all say too. There is a cash register always present
between a head-shrinker and his/her victim. :^) -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 21 aug 2006 15:26:10

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ejga2d7721f74@corp.supernews.com...
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

Nonsense.

Judging someone strictly by what they post on USENET and send in email is
no way to limn one's Total Character.

Only a Rank, Naive Amateur would try to do so -- as you have done with
"La Nilita" -- without ever having met her.

You are too predictable. You need to understand others don't have your
difficulties judging character. Character is manifest in many ways, not
just by shaking hands. There are thousands of threads leading to the core
of a person's character. Any one of them can be followed with the same
result. Appearance and biographical details matter very little. -the Troll


Hipster, the problem is, as Hines put it a few days back, "Hippo has
slippsed the leash". IOW, he can't control you, tell you who you're
supposed to like and not like, how you're supposed to think, etc.

The "leash" reference was a dead giveaway. Neither Hippo nor nilita do
leashes!

High-Five to the Hipster!

- nilita

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 15:26:43

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

Right!

You are FAR too pessimistic and timid about the chances of conservatives
in Elections, "Hippo".

Grow Some Cojones.

Cojones have nothing to do with projecting voting results. It's demographics
and facts which do. -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 21 aug 2006 15:27:17

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ejgftpvqnduef@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

....and i won't charge you ... har!

That's what they all say too. There is a cash register always present
between a head-shrinker and his/her victim. :^) -the Troll


Nowadays it's PayPal ...%)

- nilita, who takes no victims ... they come willingly .....

Patricia Junkin

Re: Coheirs of Robert de Tateshal (dsp 1305/6): a correction

Legg inn av Patricia Junkin » 21 aug 2006 15:31:02

Source for the previous post on John Driby:
Date: 26 Feb 2001 08:42:45 GMT
From: Reedpcgen<reedpcgen@aol.com >
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <20010226034245.02375.00002161@ng-bg1.aol.com>
Subject: Re: Amy de Gaveston - the 1334 fine

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 15:34:41

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

[.]

Ahem, I don't know the words because I don't want to know the words. They
come from what was, to me, a wretched period of national hysterical post
adolescent adolescence. I prefer children who want to become adults, take
on responsibility, and who are working towards a goal and stay on the
road to get there. It's for them I'm willing to bust my fanny.

Bust yer "fanny", Hippo? That sounds ... well ... so gay .... %)

We say something else. I was cleaning up my language.

btw, I learned Kumbaya when I was a Brownie and then a Girl Guide. I
don't know what the counterparts are in the U.S. - Girl Scouts? In any
case, the song didn't seem to have the negative connotation as it does
down where y'all are.

Here it is one of the anthems of the anti-war movement of the '60s.


Funny story, one of the soldiers this weekend told his girlfriend he was
going to spend the weekend in 'guy heaven', which he described as a place
with plenty of food in the fridge and ten spare rolls of TP under the
sink.

If there was x-tra toilet paper under the sink ... that can only mean one
thing ... wimmin!!!!! .. :))))

Most bachelors I know complain that 4 4olls of toilet paper will last them
a month .... until a woman moves in! And then it lasts maybe 3 days.

Nope, it's the result of bulk buying at wholesale warehouses. I buy the
stuff by the cube of maybe 50 rolls to save money and simplify
planning. -the Troll

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 21 aug 2006 15:44:26

"Vince" wrote in message

hippo wrote:

"La N" wrote in message

btw, I didn't "pretend" to be objective. I'm here to learn. I expect
more quality - ergo more intelligent - discourse - from people I like,
such as you, Grey. Often I'm let down as such because it melts down
into the "I hate [the other side]" rhetoric. And, even if I'm not so
"objective", why don't you tell me where I'm wrong instead of insulting
me and making snide comments about me in the third person to others?
What "nonsense" did I pander to?

The "refereeing" was meant to be fun. But you guys take Usenet waaaaay
too seriously.

Oh well, my mama always said ... among friends you just don't argue
politics or religion ...%)

btw, Hippo has a much thicker hide than you do. And I have a pretty
thick skin too. Whatever you need to say to me you can say to me
directly instead of your ongoing snide remarks to others.

They do take it too seriously. So do I at times. You are welcome to kick
me in the fanny when I do.

On one of the Irish groups, where things get nasty quickly, there was a
poster who would inject completely irrelevant cricket scores or some
personal experience right into the middle of a vicious sectarian
squabble. It was so incongruous it made posters on both sides smile and
feel silly - exactly what the doctor ordered. -the Troll

New Zealand beat Australia today in the Tri Nations rugby
won the cup
helluva game

From you it doesn't work. -the Troll

Renia

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av Renia » 21 aug 2006 15:52:48

Alan Holmes wrote:

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:ecar1l$lf8$2@mouse.otenet.gr...

Eve McLaughlin wrote:


Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude.


Go away and learn Latin, if you are trying to use it.
--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians

including Simple Latin for Family Historians and D.Spencer Pines

Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society


And your point is?

Alan

My point is, that if Hines uses Latin, and uses it wrongly, then he
could do worse than picking up Eve's booklet to help him with his Latin,
particularly for genealogy. Do you see a problem with that?

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 21 aug 2006 15:54:28

"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
:news:n5hie29ls2jl0eds5i707larqis831mc5d@4ax.com...
:> "hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:
:>
:> :
:> :"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:> :
:> :> "hippo" wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:> :> :
:> :> :> "hippo" wrote:
:> :> :
:> :> :[.]
:> :> :
:> :> :> :Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
:> :> :> :sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
:> :> :> :here. -the Troll
:> :> :>
:> :> :> True, but so what? As I said, she is less objective than many.
:> :> :
:> :> :Not from my discussions with her. I've seen her object to outrages posted by
:> :> :lefties and pin their noses to the ground. The knee jerks won't do
:> :> :that. -the Troll
:> :>
:> :> Hippo, READ WHAT I SAID! Turn your hormones off, or whatever the
:> :> problem is. Did I says she was a "knee jerk" Lefty Loon? No, I did
:> :> not. I said she leans left and is less objective in her judgments
:> :> than many.
:> :>
:> :> What is your (and her) problem with any intimation that she isn't
:> :> perfect?
:> :
:> :It isn't the left part but the relative objective part with which I
:> :disagree. Most of the lefties here are knee jerks, she isn't. That makes her
:> :comparatively objective in my book. I make no claim she, or anyone else, is
:> :perfect. -the Troll
:>
:> So your view is that merely not being a knee jerk is sufficient ... if
:> one is Nilita or one is Left?
:>
:> I don't think so. One more time - I said she leans left and is less
:> objective in her judgements than many. I'll help you out, since you
:> don't seem to quite get it, and explain that I'm not restricting my
:> field of regard to those who are 'Left'.
:
:What part of Hippo troll and I are friends and we like and respect each
:other despite our differences do you not get, Fred?

What part of that has nothing to do with anything do you not get,
Nilita?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 21 aug 2006 15:58:09

Renia <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:

:La N wrote:
:>
:> Bust yer "fanny", Hippo? That sounds ... well ... so gay .... %)
:
:Not to a Brit, it doesn't. Only gay girls have f@annies in England.

Hence the substitution of 'bum bag' for the American 'fanny pack'.

--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw

Hal Bradley

Re: Coheirs of Robert de Tateshal (dsp 1305/6): a correction

Legg inn av Hal Bradley » 21 aug 2006 17:01:02

John,

Paul Reed's article, as cited by Rosie, says of the identity of John & Thomas de Driby,

"...extensive research into the antecedents, descendants, and known collaterals of this sibling group has not yet identified the Thomas de Dryby whose son John was the reversionary heir of the parson. All that is known about Thomas and his son John is that John was a rather unambitious yeoman (archer) attached to the king's household between 1343 and 1348..."

Apparently, there is not enough information to determine how Amy de Gaveston's husband was related to Driby's of your original post.

Hal Bradley

From: Rosie Bevan <rbevan@paradise.net.nz
Date: 2006/08/21 Mon AM 01:42:08 CDT
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Coheirs of Robert de Tateshal (dsp 1305/6): a correction

Dear John

I fear you have conflated two John de Dribys.

The IPM of Joan de Driby [CIPM VII, no.241] (writ 15 October 1329)
records that her son, John de Driby (aged 40 years and more), was her
next heir to lands which she held in Norfolk, Leicestershire, and
Lincolnshire, including lands of her Tattershall inheritance. It is
difficult, therefore, to see how John could not have been Joan's son.
John's IPM [CIPM VII, no.590] (writ 20 June 1334) records that as he
left no issue, his sister Alice was his next heir aged 40 years and
more. This Alice died in 1341 [Cal. Fin. Rolls 1337-1347, p.220].

The husband of Amie de Gaveston was John, son of Thomas Driby, whom
Paul Reed identified in "Proving Illegitimacy: Amie, the Daughter of
the King's Favorite, Piers de Gaveston--Not That of His Wife," National
Genealogical Society Quarterly, 88:32-49 (March 2000). The daughter of
this John was Alice de Driby who died in 1412 [CIPM XIX, no.
1031-1035].

As I recall Paul made some posts on this subject in 1999 which should
be available in the archives.

Cheers

Rosie

Therav3@aol.com wrote:
Sunday, 20 August, 2006


Dear Leo, Doug, et al.,

I noted today an entry in the Close Rolls which confirms
certain relationships among the coheirs of Robert de Tateshal,
Lord Tateshal (d.s.p. bef 30 Jan 1305/6), but which also
indicates necessary corrections to the Driby descendants of
Joan de Tateshal as previously understood.

Following is part of the text of an order dated at
Guildford, 18 April 10 Edw. III (1336):

' To the treasurer and barons of the exchequer and to the
chamberlains. Order to cause Adam de Fyncham to be discharged
and released of the issues of the lands delivered to Adam de
Clyfton, William Bernak and Alice his wife as their purparties,
from 18 March last, provided that answer is made to the king
for the issues of the purparty of John de Orreby, a minor in
the king's wardship for the lands demised in the hands of Adam
de Fyncham; as of the lands which Joan, late the wife of
Robert de Tateshale, tenant in chief of Edwar I., who died
while a minor in the said king's wardship, held in dower with
the assent of Adam de Clyfton, kinsman and co-heir of Robert,
of William Bernak, who married Alice, another co-heir, and of
Geoffrey le Scrop, to whom the king granted the custody of the
lands which are of the inheritance of John [de Orreby], third
kinsman and co-heir of Robert, to hold until John came of
age,...' [1]


This entry confirms the Clifton descent (see below), but
indicates the Driby coheir in 1336 was Alice de Driby, daughter
of Sir Robert de Driby and Joan de Tateshal, and wife of Sir
William de Bernake. John de Driby, known best as the husband
of Amie de Gaveston, has to date been considered a son of Sir
Robert by Joan de Tateshal, but it is clear that he was the
descendant of another (evidently 1st) wife of Sir Robert.

Following is a chart reflecting the relationships of the
Tateshal coheirs in 1336. At the time of the IPM in 1305/6,
Thomas de Cailly, Isabel de Tatesal (wife of de Orreby) and
Joan de Tateshal (wife of Robert de Driby) were the coheirs.
[NOTE * : Simon de Driby and John de Driby are shown as issue
of a first wife of Robert de Driby, but it is possible that
Simon d.v.p. and was the son of Joan.]


Ralph fitz Ranulf = 2) Anastasia de Percy
I
I
Robert de Tateshal = Joan 'filia Ranulfi'
Lord Tateshal I 2nd dau. and coheiress
d. bef 8 Sept 1298 I d. ca. 1 Apr 1310
_______________________I___________
I I I I
Robert Emma Isabel 2) Joan = Robert = 1) NN
d. bef = Adam = John I de I
28 Jul de Cailly de I Driby I
1303 I Orreby ______I I
I I I I _________I___
I I I I I I
Robert Margery Philip ALICE Simon John
dsp = Roger de <coheir> = Maud = Amie
bef 30 de Orreby = WILLIAM de de
Jan Clifton I de BERNAKE Nerford Gaveston
1305/6 I I I
I I I
I I V
ADAM JOHN
de CLIFTON de
coheir> ORREBY
= Eleanor de <coheir,
Mortimer minor
I in 1336
I
V


Cheers,

John *



NOTES

[1] CCR Edw. III, A.D. 1330-1333 (10 Edw. III), mem. 32, p. 570.


* John P. Ravilious

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 21 aug 2006 17:59:05

Absolute Hogwash.

"Hippo" is talking like a Flower Child.

A Wishful Flower Child.

DSH

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12ejga2d7721f74@corp.supernews.com...
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

Nonsense.

Judging someone strictly by what they post on USENET and send in email is
no way to limn one's Total Character.

Only a Rank, Naive Amateur would try to do so -- as you have done with
"La Nilita" -- without ever having met her.

You are too predictable. You need to understand others don't have your
difficulties judging character. Character is manifest in many ways, not
just by shaking hands. There are thousands of threads leading to the core
of a person's character. Any one of them can be followed with the same
result. Appearance and biographical details matter very little. -the Troll

Renia

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Renia » 21 aug 2006 18:28:46

Fred J. McCall wrote:

Renia <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:

:La N wrote:
:
:> Bust yer "fanny", Hippo? That sounds ... well ... so gay .... %)
:
:Not to a Brit, it doesn't. Only gay girls have f@annies in England.

Hence the substitution of 'bum bag' for the American 'fanny pack'.

Indeed, though it's more like a "tum bag" as it's usually worn round the
front. "Fanny pack", indeed. I'm afraid I'm thinking of, well, all sorts
of things, like feminine wipes, and all that.

Alan Holmes

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av Alan Holmes » 21 aug 2006 23:56:47

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:ecchbr$aep$2@mouse.otenet.gr...
Alan Holmes wrote:

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:ecar1l$lf8$2@mouse.otenet.gr...

Eve McLaughlin wrote:


Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude.


Go away and learn Latin, if you are trying to use it.
--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians

including Simple Latin for Family Historians and D.Spencer Pines

Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society


And your point is?

Alan

My point is, that if Hines uses Latin, and uses it wrongly, then he could
do worse than picking up Eve's booklet to help him with his Latin,
particularly for genealogy. Do you see a problem with that?

No, I must have missread the post, oplease accept my appologies.

Alan

Renia

Re: McLaughlin's Weird, Neurotic Fixation On Foxes & Fox Hun

Legg inn av Renia » 22 aug 2006 00:19:20

Alan Holmes wrote:
"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:ecchbr$aep$2@mouse.otenet.gr...

Alan Holmes wrote:


"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
news:ecar1l$lf8$2@mouse.otenet.gr...


Eve McLaughlin wrote:



Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude.


Go away and learn Latin, if you are trying to use it.
--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians

including Simple Latin for Family Historians and D.Spencer Pines


Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

And your point is?

Alan

My point is, that if Hines uses Latin, and uses it wrongly, then he could
do worse than picking up Eve's booklet to help him with his Latin,
particularly for genealogy. Do you see a problem with that?


No, I must have missread the post, oplease accept my appologies.

Alan

OK. Not to worry.

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 22 aug 2006 06:22:31

Renia <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:
:> Renia <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:
:>
:> :La N wrote:
:> :>
:> :> Bust yer "fanny", Hippo? That sounds ... well ... so gay .... %)
:> :
:> :Not to a Brit, it doesn't. Only gay girls have f@annies in England.
:>
:> Hence the substitution of 'bum bag' for the American 'fanny pack'.
:
:Indeed, though it's more like a "tum bag" as it's usually worn round the
:front.

Here, too. But they still call them 'fanny packs'.

:"Fanny pack", indeed. I'm afraid I'm thinking of, well, all sorts
:of things, like feminine wipes, and all that.

Which is kind of the way 'bum bag' strikes us over here.

Two nations separated by a common language! :-)

--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw

D. Spencer Hines

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 22 aug 2006 19:38:10

"The town drips with lore about the "lady"."

Mary Lou McLaren
---------------------------------

What "lore"?

DSH
---------------------------------------

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:...

WRONG.

Averell Harriman was NOT her second husband -- Leland Hayward was.

Your Reading Comprehension is VERY poor.

You also sound VERY ENVIOUS of Pamela -- and catty about it.

DSH

""Mary Lou McLaren"" <mlou1173@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BAY120-F26BF7E96C3F157AD13D9FCD0460@phx.gbl...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Pamela Beryl Digby Churchill Hayward Harriman [1920-1997] was a 13th
great-granddaughter of King Henry VII.

And an infamous tart who dispensed her favors liberally to climb both
socially and monetarily. Her second husband, Averill [sic] Harriman,
founded the ski resort where I now live - Sun Valley, Idaho. Their
pictures still hang in the main lodge and she kept a home on the grounds
until her death. The town drips with lore about the "lady".

mary lou

D. Spencer Hines

Re: The Fertility Gap -- Liberal Politics Will Prove Fruitle

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 22 aug 2006 20:17:03

"According to the 2004 General Social Survey, if you picked 100 unrelated
politically liberal adults at random, you would find that they had, between
them, 147 children.

"If you picked 100 conservatives, you would find 208 kids. That's a
"fertility gap" of 41%."

Given that about 80% of people with an identifiable party preference grow up
to vote the same way as their parents, this gap translates into lots more
little Republicans than little Democrats to vote in future elections. Over
the past 30 years this gap has not been below 20% -- explaining, to a large
extent, the current ineffectiveness of liberal youth voter campaigns today."

Arthur C. Brooks
----------------------------------------------

Indeed.

The Fertility Gap as explained above will actually be 41.5%.

[(208-147)/ 147] x 100% = [(61/147) x 100%] = 41.5%.

Stomping!

In effect, the "Liberals" have simply aborted many of their future voters or
never conceived them in the first place.

How Stupid They Are!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

TOliver

Re: Vullages

Legg inn av TOliver » 22 aug 2006 23:25:22

"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4K5Gg.110$15.1581@eagle.america.net...
A VULLAGE?

A vullage is merely a storage shed for vulvae -- as any fool should know.

DSH

"John Cartmell" <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4e598f965ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk...

It would be wonderful to know what a vullage is! ;-)


Then the Vulgate must be the gate by which vulvae are able to enter and exit
the vullage.

.....and "Vulpone" the misspelled title of a play about women shaping
corndodgers between their labia majora.

.....while Vulcanite is a rubber used for the caps on cans of vulvae

TMO

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 23 aug 2006 15:26:59

"La N" wrote in message

You're right about control freaks. Being around them is like being in
prison or smothered by a pillow.

I used to have nightmares of walking down the marital aisle as a lamb to
slaughter with a rope around my neck ... %)

Me too, but the nightmare was after the walk.


As to being a rebel, I was a right winger right through college in the
early '70s, one of the few Republicans in a solidly Democratic state, and
ran away from home to join the army, none the usual course for
counter-culture rebels. -the Troll


Hips, you were my right wing counterpart. I was a left wing hippie flower
child who ran away from home to ... well .... to ... I don't think I
joined the army ...;p

Chuckle, I think you would remember if you had. I could tell you had been a
left-wing-hippie-flower-child from your posts and perspective. You've gotten
better. :^) -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 23 aug 2006 15:32:31

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eopdmi2u55se7@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

You're right about control freaks. Being around them is like being in
prison or smothered by a pillow.

I used to have nightmares of walking down the marital aisle as a lamb to
slaughter with a rope around my neck ... %)

Me too, but the nightmare was after the walk.

Well, you escaped and were *cured* ...%)


As to being a rebel, I was a right winger right through college in the
early '70s, one of the few Republicans in a solidly Democratic state,
and ran away from home to join the army, none the usual course for
counter-culture rebels. -the Troll


Hips, you were my right wing counterpart. I was a left wing hippie
flower child who ran away from home to ... well .... to ... I don't think
I joined the army ...;p

Chuckle, I think you would remember if you had. I could tell you had been
a left-wing-hippie-flower-child from your posts and perspective. You've
gotten better. :^) -the Troll
Well, until recently I still had very long hair. And I still prefer making

love to war ...%)

- nilita

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 23 aug 2006 15:35:02

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Hipster, the problem is, as Hines put it a few days back, "Hippo has
slippsed the leash". IOW, he can't control you, tell you who you're
supposed to like and not like, how you're supposed to think, etc.

The "leash" reference was a dead giveaway. Neither Hippo nor nilita do
leashes!

He never could. At first I thought he was a teenager from his entirely
self-focused and sophomorically pretentious posting style. He and I are on
the same political boat but got there from different directions. You're
right about leashes. :^) -the Troll

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 23 aug 2006 15:37:14

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

....and i won't charge you ... har!

That's what they all say too. There is a cash register always present
between a head-shrinker and his/her victim. :^) -the Troll


Nowadays it's PayPal ...%)

- nilita, who takes no victims ... they come willingly .....

Not me. I can see the hook. :^) -the Troll

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 23 aug 2006 15:46:29

She's also a Military Groupie.

DSH

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eopdmi2u55se7@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

You're right about control freaks. Being around them is like being in
prison or smothered by a pillow.

I used to have nightmares of walking down the marital aisle as a lamb to
slaughter with a rope around my neck ... %)

Me too, but the nightmare was after the walk.


As to being a rebel, I was a right winger right through college in the
early '70s, one of the few Republicans in a solidly Democratic state,
and ran away from home to join the army, none the usual course for
counter-culture rebels. -the Troll


Hips, you were my right wing counterpart. I was a left wing hippie
flower child who ran away from home to ... well .... to ... I don't think
I joined the army ...;p

Chuckle, I think you would remember if you had. I could tell you had been
a left-wing-hippie-flower-child from your posts and perspective. You've
gotten better. :^) -the Troll

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 23 aug 2006 15:50:00

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote:

[.]

:It isn't the left part but the relative objective part with which I
:disagree. Most of the lefties here are knee jerks, she isn't. That makes
her
:comparatively objective in my book. I make no claim she, or anyone else,
is
:perfect. -the Troll

So your view is that merely not being a knee jerk is sufficient ... if
one is Nilita or one is Left?

I don't think so. One more time - I said she leans left and is less
objective in her judgements than many. I'll help you out, since you
don't seem to quite get it, and explain that I'm not restricting my
field of regard to those who are 'Left'.

If one is not a knee jerk one is capable of honest discourse, which is the
point. Knee Jerks, of whatever persuasion, merely parrot others and are
entirely self-satisfied doing so. 'Nil' doesn't seem bound by philosophical
convention. Neither are you and neither am I. We're too ornery. I think
'Nil' isn't because she is a true free thinker, pinkish, maybe, but no
ideologue. -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 23 aug 2006 15:50:20

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eopspostdle4f@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Hipster, the problem is, as Hines put it a few days back, "Hippo has
slippsed the leash". IOW, he can't control you, tell you who you're
supposed to like and not like, how you're supposed to think, etc.

The "leash" reference was a dead giveaway. Neither Hippo nor nilita do
leashes!

He never could. At first I thought he was a teenager from his entirely
self-focused and sophomorically pretentious posting style. He and I are on
the same political boat but got there from different directions. You're
right about leashes. :^) -the Troll

No leashes for us! And, we prefer to hang out with grown-ups!

High-Five to the Hipster!

- nilita

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 23 aug 2006 15:51:51

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eoq0t6frbn9a4@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

....and i won't charge you ... har!

That's what they all say too. There is a cash register always present
between a head-shrinker and his/her victim. :^) -the Troll


Nowadays it's PayPal ...%)

- nilita, who takes no victims ... they come willingly .....

Not me. I can see the hook. :^) -the Troll

I really don't think there's anything I could do for you anyhow, Hipmeister,
my slippery llittle ee;! ...%)

- nilita

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 23 aug 2006 16:01:36

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eoqorp8luuoc5@corp.supernews.com...
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote:

[.]

:It isn't the left part but the relative objective part with which I
:disagree. Most of the lefties here are knee jerks, she isn't. That makes
her
:comparatively objective in my book. I make no claim she, or anyone else,
is
:perfect. -the Troll

So your view is that merely not being a knee jerk is sufficient ... if
one is Nilita or one is Left?

I don't think so. One more time - I said she leans left and is less
objective in her judgements than many. I'll help you out, since you
don't seem to quite get it, and explain that I'm not restricting my
field of regard to those who are 'Left'.

If one is not a knee jerk one is capable of honest discourse, which is the
point. Knee Jerks, of whatever persuasion, merely parrot others and are
entirely self-satisfied doing so. 'Nil' doesn't seem bound by
philosophical convention. Neither are you and neither am I. We're too
ornery. I think 'Nil' isn't because she is a true free thinker, pinkish,
maybe, but no ideologue. -the Troll

Thank you, Hipster. Once upon a time I may have subscribed to the Daily Kos
and Arianna Huffington's blogs, not to mention the Democratic Underground.
Those days are long past me. I don't like the x-treme left telling me how I
should feel or think any more than I want that from x-treme conservatives.
Or people from the "middle", for that matter.

I doubt that my long canadian social democrat background and upbringing will
be truly weaned out of me, though, as I think I will always retain certain
values derived from that - including a kind of social worker mentality.

- nil

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 23 aug 2006 16:17:32

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Hips, if there's one thing I/we can take out of this, it is ..... let
someone special know you love them and give them a hug; in your case, it
might be the dog ... but just the same ......%).

Men don't think in those terms. Because we don't I can say it isn't
natural for us and unfair to expect it. That's one of my pet peeves about
women; they expect us to react like women when we aren't and make us feel
guilty when we don't.

The dog (Harry) is asleep next to my chair and the only phone call I'll
get is some kid needing advice or the appliance repair service telling me
my part is in and that's fine with me. :^) -the Troll


My gawd! I have a cat named Harry!

And my SO has called me twice tonight - once on the road from a trip from
Virginia to Florida, and just now on his arrival (straight to bed) in
Florida, to tell me he loves me. He is waaaay more romantic than *moi*,
and that shocks the hell out of me, considering he is a recovering
playboy
one of whose ex's is an ex Miss Florida ... ;)

btw ... for the curious (yellow) ... i'm gonna let a bit of the cat out
of
the bag. Some time last spring someone from my very distant past got back
in touch with me. Right out of the blue. And just at a time that I
happened to be wondering whatever happened to him. Serendipity is a funny
thing.

Hipster, he's trying to convince me that the "M" word isn't such a bad
thing
.. ;)

In any case, he's a little peeved that I won't travel down there for the
next shuttle lift-off off the end of August (he'll send me real time
you-are-there photos), as I'm gonna be busy in canuckistan. I hope to
convince him to spend September up here, although he's afear'ed that we
start building igloos in September ... gggrrr .... And then, when I'm
finished with my work thingy in October, we will head down to Florida to -
among other things - visit with Jack Linthicum (who knows zee story).

He is trying to convince me to become American ... dammit! ... ;)

To be (slightly) on topic, his father was a very courageous Air Force
Colonel in WWII and the Korean War, and so my sweetie was an Air Force
brat.

Anyway, Hipster, I don't know if I will break any hearts apart from yours,
but I know "Big Daddy" will be breaking a lot of female hearts if he
convinces this crazy canuckistanian woman that sunny Florida is *the way*
... ;)

I thought you learned your lesson about playboys? They know the game too
well and can't be trusted, even when they think they are reformed. They are
like a lushes on the wagon. Once a whore, always a whore. Leave your heart
in the fridge in Canuckistan so you can put it back in in one piece.

Florida is less plastic than California, but it's still plastic - except in
the more rural north. Driving past mile after mile of suburbs gives me the
old noose-around-the-neck feeling.

Have fun but keep your purse away from Linthicum. :^) -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 23 aug 2006 16:28:10

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eoscfrbabe5a0@corp.supernews.com...
I thought you learned your lesson about playboys? They know the game
too well and can't be trusted, even when they think they are reformed.
They are like a lushes on the wagon. Once a whore, always a whore. Leave
your heart in the fridge in Canuckistan so you can put it back in in one
piece.

I tease Big Daddy about being a former "playboy", for having waaaaay more
girlfriends than I had boyfriends .... and that kinda irritates him ... %).
You know? I think it's really romantic that this is a guy with whom I
crossed paths a long LONG time ago and who said he was always looking for me
(again). I never ever thought that he - or someone like him - would be
interested in *moi*, much less that I could ever ... ehem .... be reined in
....%)

But, yer sweet, Hips, to care about me ... ahhh .... I think you should give
me away like a papa would ...%)

Florida is less plastic than California, but it's still plastic - except
in the more rural north. Driving past mile after mile of suburbs gives me
the old noose-around-the-neck feeling.

I've been there a few times. It's damned hot and muggy. But, of course I
wouldn't be canuckistanian if I didn't whine about the weather ... anywhere!
I understand your concern about the "plastic feeling". I've lived in the
big city but spent much of my life in G-d's country, surrounded by
mountains, lakes, streams, etc. to appreciate the wide open spaces. For
some reason, I think I will have the best of both worlds ...;)

Have fun but keep your purse away from Linthicum. :^) -the Troll


He won't find much in my purse. 'sides which, I'll supply the wine, he and
his lovely wife will pay for the accompanying cruise. Jes' kidding, Jack!
....%)

- nilita

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 23 aug 2006 20:56:49

Hilarious!

DSH
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"La N" wrote in message

Hips, you were my right wing counterpart. I was a left wing hippie flower
child who ran away from home to ... well .... to ... I don't think I joined
the army ...;p

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