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Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 18 aug 2006 14:44:33

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message

"Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a little sock puppet.

He's pretty articulate for a bit of yarn and felt. -the Troll

Heheheh ... and he sure keeps Hines' tootsies warm ...%)

You're not supposed to enjoy it. Shame on you. You're the ref. -the Troll

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 18 aug 2006 15:59:32

Peter <usenetINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:

:On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
:<gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote:
:
:
:>Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
:>"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
:>sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
:>us more than we want to know about anybody else.
:>
:>Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
:>
:>Grey Satterfield
:
:
:A number of points, which I suppose may be rather superfluous now taht
:you've killfiled me (assuming of course you actaully know what "plonk"
:means and you haven't buggered off for a quart of electric soup):

Grey's been around longer than you have, Petey.

:1. What I posted above (and what you apparently found so objectionable
:you failked to snip any of it) has been posted many times, on many
:NG's

You say that as if it means something. The fact that you weren't the
first (and no doubt aren't the last) to echo it is irrelevant.

:2. The halfwit Hines has never contradicted any of it.

You say that as if it means something. Failure to contradict idiocy
is hardly concurrence with same.

:3. People that live in glasshouses (or Hawaii) shouldn't throw stones.

People named Petey should piss into the wind.

:4. I wait your rebuttal of the points made. However I shan't hold my
:breath

Too bad about that. The world would be a better place if you did.

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 18 aug 2006 16:05:25

Peter <usenetINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:

:Basically, if he's upset about it he has some choices, stop posting or
:modify his ubnacceptable behaviour.

That won't happen, you dumbass. All you do is add to the noise. Do
what most sane people have done and killfile the twit.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Eve McLaughlin

Re: Carey Descents From Henry VIII?

Legg inn av Eve McLaughlin » 18 aug 2006 16:32:12

In article <ec06ui$h7f$1@mouse.otenet.gr>, Renia <renia@DELETEotenet.gr>
writes
He's not a ragamuffin at all but a journalist and magazine editor and a
respected genealogist who has no fear of saying what he thinks.

Whereas Hines is a failure and a person of low character who should have
every fear of saying what he thinks, since it confirms everyone's low
opinion.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Eve McLaughlin

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Eve McLaughlin » 18 aug 2006 17:04:01

It really is SO ignorant to reply to your own posts - you really are
so stupid aren't you?

I expect your father must have been SO dissappointed

The son of Admiral Wellington T Hines (war hero and pioneer of carrier based
operations in the US Navy) Baby David's career was all mapped out for him:
Yale, Officer Training - he was being groomed for a top slot at the Pentagon.

But as with many great men, the son rarely lives up to expectations.

He was relieved for 'cause' on two separate occasions while serving in the
United States Navy, the first being while assigned to Naval Security Group
Activity Misawa, Japan, the second while assigned to CINCPAC's Intel Division
on Oahu.

The latter incident got him reassigned to Pearl Harbor here he assumed
the duties as housing officer, quite a demotion for one whose career
had such glowing promise as a junior officer.

Never endearing, and forever the outcast, this "pompous nautical ass"
laboured hard and doggedly for his promotions up to the rank of
Commander, but he ran into the 'eye of the storm' when he tried to
pull one tantrum after another in disagreement with a very sage
Captain who would go on to become Commander, U.S.Naval Security Group
Command!

He was yanked from his operational duties on the first occasion, and
appointed XO simply for the convenience of being under close scrutiny
by the C.O, and in a position less harassing to the other 700+ members
of the command.

This was NOT a promotion.

He served only as XO while the paperwork for his transfer made it through the
bureaucratic chain back in Washington. That didn't take all that long, and
before anyone knew it, D. Spencer Hines and his marvellous wife (how she's put
up with him for all these years must remain one of the world's greatest
mysteries), had departed Northern Honshu for the Hawaiian Islands.

It's one thing to butt heads with a Captain, but when told to cool your jets
by a four-star and you still stand your ground, most wise men know that their
careers will, at that very moment, gain great momentum and a natural
phenomenon of tailspins that have continued to this day!

In summary, in the words of a fellow officer who served with him:

" D Spencer Hines is one of the most arrogant jackasses to ever breath and
walk upon the face of earth. He hadn't a clue what leadership was all about,
and in the face of intelligence evaluation, he would always ask for a point
paper when one's analysis varied from his - and that was often the case.

"A towering man, of bulk and arrogance, this red headed barbarian is
not worth the grey hairs many of your constituents seem to be letting
themselves in for.

"He is his father's son, but nothing like his father, but rather, more
a quasi-nautical south seas jester at this stage in life whose open
sores apparently continue to ooze and your group are the swabs being
used to absorb all that ails this sick man during his transition to
senior citizenship!"
I chose not to snip the above.

Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line

As is every post by the failure Hines himself. If he wishes to avoid the
simple truth's being posted, then he can either stop slagging off other
people or, preferably, just stop posting at all.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Gjest

Re: Miscellaneous books recently available on Google

Legg inn av Gjest » 18 aug 2006 17:51:04

In a message dated 8/18/2006 8:15:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
nathanieltaylor@earthlink.net writes:

There are great gems coming on line, but the whole system is buggy and
weird. Google needs to find some way to have better cross-referenced
book-level citations, including better identification (or any
identification at all) of serial volumes.


Speaking of weird and buggy, sometimes the page text is clear but so small I
can't read it. I mean the resolution is fine, it's just small. Is there
some sort of "magnifying glass" tool that exists for making the images bigger?
I already tried the whole saving to a picture thing and it just doesn't work.
Will

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 18 aug 2006 18:34:08

"Homosexuals, including Lesbians of course, ALSO have a particular
attraction to Genealogy. Often they realize they will never have any
DESCENDANTS -- so they look BACK to ANCESTORS for personal validation and
affirmation." -- DSH
-----------------------------------

Yes, that's just as true today as when I first wrote it.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 18 aug 2006 18:38:17

There she goes again!

McLaughlin does so LOVE to slip her cheap, commercial messages into every
post she makes.

McLaughlin ought to always come to the back door -- the tradesmen's
entrance -- whenever she appears for business.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bBMsoIAxTe5EFwhY@varneys.demon.co.uk...

Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Peter

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Peter » 18 aug 2006 19:16:40

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:59:32 GMT, Fred J. McCall
<fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:

Peter <usenetINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:

:On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
:<gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote:
:
:
:>Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
:>"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
:>sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
:>us more than we want to know about anybody else.
:
:>Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
:
:>Grey Satterfield
:
:
:A number of points, which I suppose may be rather superfluous now taht
:you've killfiled me (assuming of course you actaully know what "plonk"
:means and you haven't buggered off for a quart of electric soup):

Grey's been around longer than you have, Petey.

And the significance of Grey longevioty is what exactly?
:1. What I posted above (and what you apparently found so objectionable
:you failked to snip any of it) has been posted many times, on many
:NG's

You say that as if it means something. The fact that you weren't the
first (and no doubt aren't the last) to echo it is irrelevant.

It means a lot - it means that a large (and doubtless increasing)
number of people know that Hines is a complete fuckwit, who is
incapable of any sort of meaningful interaction, probably has a severe
personality disorder, feels the need to cross post unecessarily, and
posts messages that are completely off topuic - indeed I am of the
opinion that Hines should have his own NG that he could post to ad
naseum and thereby safe everyone else from having to suffer his inane
ranting (and his pigeon latin)
:2. The halfwit Hines has never contradicted any of it.

You say that as if it means something. Failure to contradict idiocy
is hardly concurrence with same.

So I have to assume that what I posted was true, as Hines felt unable
to contradict any of it - he really was such a prick when in the
service of the US military? Oh dear
:3. People that live in glasshouses (or Hawaii) shouldn't throw stones.

People named Petey should piss into the wind.

I can only assume you speak from experience, and doubtless can be
found wandering around your home town, smelling of piss and trying to
search out Hines - who, umbelievably, seems to be more intelligent
than you.
:4. I wait your rebuttal of the points made. However I shan't hold my
:breath

Too bad about that. The world would be a better place if you did.

Hines hasn't rebutted them, you aren't capable of rebutting anything -
so best you run off back to your kennel - the poodle master will be
looking for you.


--
Peter

D Spencer Hines est a deficio miles militis quod stultus

Michael Synge

Re: FitzJames of Redlynch/Michell of East Chilton

Legg inn av Michael Synge » 18 aug 2006 19:20:08

May I add a contribution and some questions to the discussion of the
Fitzjames family of Redlynch, Somerset? What I've read so far is most
interesting and informative. Please forgive me if, as a newcomer, I go
over ground already ploughed.

The Victoria County History of Somerset (vol 7, pp 18-42) makes Eleanor
Draycot, who brought Redlynch to the Fitzjames family, the wife of James
Fitzjames (d c 1391), and thus the great grandmother of Bishop Richard
Fitzjames. The Dictionary of National Biography in its article on the
bishop says that she was his grandmother. This agrees with both
Collinson's History of Somerset (1791) I.225-6 and with Weaver's
Visitation of Somerset (which I've not seen). Since Eleanor's father
Simon Draycot is said to have died in the reign of King Henry V
(1413-22), long after the James Fitzjames who died c 1391, VCH must have
married Eleanor to the wrong James, and her husband was really the James
who d < 1423.

Incidentally, Collinson errs in saying that Chief Justice Sir John
Fitzjames (c 1470-1542) was the elder brother of Richard (c1443-1522),
who became Bishop of London. According to the Dictionary of National
Biography, John was Richard's nephew, as their dates suggest.

Now some questions: VCH says that the heir of Chief Justice Sir John
Fitzjames was his cousin Nicholas Fitzjames whose son Richard married
Elizabeth, daughter of John Basket, but had no children. Can anyone
tell me where Nicholas fits in the Fitzjames family tree, and how do
these Baskets relate to Christian, daughter of William Baskett of
Dulish, Dorset, who married John, son of John Gilbert by Elizabeth
Fitzjames?

Michael Synge

D. Spencer Hines

Grizzly Bear Alert In Alaska

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 18 aug 2006 20:05:42

Classic!

DSH
--------------------------------

"Alan Crozier" <name1.name2@telia.com> wrote in message
news:o7oFg.13643$E02.5026@newsb.telia.net...

Alaska Grizzly Bear Notice

In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear conflicts, the
Alaska Department of Fish and Game is advising tourists, hikers, and
fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears while
traveling this summer.

We advise that people wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as
not to startle bears that are not expecting them. We also advise
everyone to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a
grizzly

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity.
Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and
grizzly bear dung. Black bear dung is smaller and contains lots of
berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear dung has little bells in it and
smells like pepper.

--
Alan Crozier
Lun
Sweden

D. Spencer Hines

Re: That Royal Connection

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 18 aug 2006 20:43:54

Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!

As I've been saying for years...

However, for millions of folks, PROVING it is another matter entirely.

DSH
------------------------------------------------------

"Star Is Descended From Kings. Of Course, Most People Are"
"Famous Ancestors Adorn Almost All Family Trees"

By Matt Crenson
Associated Press
Sunday, August 13, 2006

"Actress Brooke Shields has a pretty impressive pedigree -- hanging from her
family tree are Catherine de Medici and Lucrezia Borgia, Charlemagne and El
Cid, William the Conqueror and King Harold II, vanquished by William at the
Battle of Hastings.

Shields also descends from five popes, a whole mess of early New England
settlers, and the royal houses of virtually every European country. She
counts Renaissance pundit Niccolo Machiavelli and conquistador Hernando
Cortes as ancestors.

What is it about Brooke Shields? Well, nothing special -- at least
genealogically.

Even without a documented connection to a notable forebear, experts say, the
odds are virtually 100 percent that every person on Earth is descended from
one royal personage or another.

"Millions of people have provable descents from medieval monarchs," said
Mark Humphrys, a genealogy enthusiast and professor of computer science at
Dublin City University in Ireland. "The number of people with unprovable
descents must be massive."

By the same token, for every king in a person's family tree there are
thousands and thousands of people whose births, lives and deaths went
completely unrecorded by history. We'll never know about them, because until
recently vital records were rare for all but the noble classes.

Which is why it's entertaining to trace the Royal and Noble lines. -- DSH

It works the other way, too. Anybody who had children more than a few
hundred years ago is likely to have millions of descendants today, quite a
few of them famous.

Take King Edward III, who ruled England during the 14th century and had nine
children who survived to adulthood. Among his documented descendants are
presidents (George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Zachary
Taylor, both Roosevelts), authors (Jane Austen, Lord Byron, Alfred Lord
Tennyson, Elizabeth Barrett Browning), generals (Robert E. Lee), scientists
(Charles Darwin) and actors (Humphrey Bogart, Audrey Hepburn, Brooke
Shields). Some experts estimate that 80 percent of England's present
population descends from Edward III. ******

A slight twist of fate could have prevented the existence of all of them. In
1312, the close adviser -- and probably lover -- of Edward II, Piers
Gaveston, was murdered by a group of barons frustrated with their king's
ineffectual rule. Later that year, the beleaguered king's eldest son, Edward
III, was born.

Had Edward II been killed along with Gaveston in 1312 -- a definite
possibility at the time -- Edward III might never have been born. He
wouldn't have produced the lines of descent that ultimately branched out to
include all those presidents, writers and Hollywood stars.

Of course, the only reason we're talking about Edward III is that history
remembers him. For every medieval monarch, there are countless long-dead
individuals whose intrigues, peccadilloes and luck have steered the course
of history simply by determining where, when and with whom they reproduced.

The longer ago somebody lived, the more descendants that person is likely to
have today. Humphrys estimates that Muhammad, the founder of Islam, appears
on the family tree of every person in the Western world.

Problematic. -- DSH

Some people have tried to establish a documented line between Muhammad, who
was born in the 6th century, and the medieval English monarchs and, thus, to
most if not all people of European descent. Nobody has succeeded yet, but
one proposed lineage comes close. Though it has several weak links, the line
illustrates how lines of descent can wander down through the centuries,
connecting famous figures of the past to millions of people living today.

The proposed genealogy runs through Muhammad's daughter Fatima. Her husband
Ali, also a cousin of Muhammad, is considered by Shiite Muslims the
legitimate heir to leadership of Islam.

Ali and Fatima had a son, al-Hasan, who died in the late 7th century. About
three centuries -- 11 generations -- later, his descendant Ismail carried
the line to Europe when he became imam of Seville.

Many genealogists dispute the connection between al-Hasan and Ismail, saying
it includes characters invented by medieval genealogists to link the Abbadid
dynasty, founded by Ismail's son, to Muhammad.

The Abbadid dynasty was celebrated for making Seville a great cultural
center at a time when most of Europe was mired in the Dark Ages. The last
emir in that dynasty is thought to have had a daughter named Zaida, who is
said to have changed her name to Isabel upon converting to Christianity and
to have married Alfonso VI, king of Castile and Leon.

Yet there is no good evidence demonstrating that Isabel, who bore one son by
Alfonso VI, was the same person as Zaida. So the line between Muhammad and
the English monarchs probably breaks at this point.

But if you give the Muhammad-Ismail connection and the Zaida-Isabel story
the benefit of the doubt, the line leads, eight generations later, to
Isabel's descendant Maria de Padilla (though it does encounter yet another
potentially fictional character in the process).

De Padilla married another king of Castile and Leon, Peter the Cruel. Their
great-great-granddaughter was Queen Isabella, who funded the voyages of
Christopher Columbus. Her daughter Juana married a Hapsburg, giving rise to
a Medici, a Bourbon and long line of Italian princes and dukes, spreading
the Muhammadan line of descent all over Europe.

Finally, 43 generations from Muhammad, you reach an Italian princess named
Marina Torlonia.

Her granddaughter is Brooke Shields."
--------------------------------------------------

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Exitus Acta Probat

Tony Hoskins

Re: OT-The Huntington's Early California Population Project

Legg inn av Tony Hoskins » 18 aug 2006 21:26:02

This site is terrific, and potentially of great moment for researching
California's early Spanish families with traceable medieval ancestry.
Quite a number of them pregnant with promise: Sepulveda, Carrillo, etc.,
etc.



Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562

Leticia Cluff

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Leticia Cluff » 18 aug 2006 21:30:05

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:16:40 +0100, Peter
<usenetINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:59:32 GMT, Fred J. McCall
fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:

Peter <usenetINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:

:On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
:<gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote:
:
:
:>Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
:>"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
:>sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
:>us more than we want to know about anybody else.
:
:>Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
:
:>Grey Satterfield
:
:
:A number of points, which I suppose may be rather superfluous now taht
:you've killfiled me (assuming of course you actaully know what "plonk"
:means and you haven't buggered off for a quart of electric soup):

Grey's been around longer than you have, Petey.

And the significance of Grey longevioty is what exactly?

:1. What I posted above (and what you apparently found so objectionable
:you failked to snip any of it) has been posted many times, on many
:NG's

You say that as if it means something. The fact that you weren't the
first (and no doubt aren't the last) to echo it is irrelevant.

It means a lot - it means that a large (and doubtless increasing)
number of people know that Hines is a complete fuckwit, who is
incapable of any sort of meaningful interaction, probably has a severe
personality disorder, feels the need to cross post unecessarily, and
posts messages that are completely off topuic - indeed I am of the
opinion that Hines should have his own NG that he could post to ad
naseum and thereby safe everyone else from having to suffer his inane
ranting (and his pigeon latin)


You can expect to be corrected by Mr Hines here. The word you want is
pidgin, not pigeon.

It is true, however, that he tends to coo over his rudimentary Latin.
It's funniest when he tries to correct others, as here:

http://minilien.com/?GSB33qAat3
ou
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.hist ... eeb4?hl=el

Notice the concoction "prima nocta" instead of the correct nominative
"prima nox."

It doesn't get any better than this, Verbenia

Tish

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 18 aug 2006 21:52:46

Hilarious!

"Leticia Cluff" [an appropriate name] is so sow-ignorant and stupid she does
not even know the expression and alleged custom of PRIMA NOCTA.

Yet she tries to correct her betters on USENET.

How Sweet It Is!

Vanessa, it just doesn't get any better than this.

Enjoy!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... rima+Nocta

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Leticia Cluff" <tish.nospam.cluff@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eg7ce29v05gphc1lrfp71us592lp6c4q98@4ax.com...

<baldersnip>

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 18 aug 2006 22:24:46

"pigdos" <NA@nowhere.com> wrote:

:Spencer was in the Navy? And he can't stop writing about homosexuals? Tell
:me that doesn't speak volumes...

Ok. It doesn't speak volumes.

Funny how, to get a shot at The Hindest you decide to insult millions
of people, ALL of whom are better people than you are.

--
"Just consider me your friend. I am until the end.
Can I guarantee you life? I don't think I can.
This isn't the life for me. This isn't the way I want to be.
And let me tell you, Death will come when I'm good and ready."
-- Godsmack, "I Am"

Peter

Re: Grizzly Bear Alert In Alaska

Legg inn av Peter » 18 aug 2006 22:35:12

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:05:42 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote:

Classic!

DSH
--------------------------------

"Alan Crozier" <name1.name2@telia.com> wrote in message
news:o7oFg.13643$E02.5026@newsb.telia.net...

Alaska Grizzly Bear Notice

In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear conflicts, the
Alaska Department of Fish and Game is advising tourists, hikers, and
fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears while
traveling this summer.

We advise that people wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as
not to startle bears that are not expecting them. We also advise
everyone to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a
grizzly

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity.
Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and
grizzly bear dung. Black bear dung is smaller and contains lots of
berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear dung has little bells in it and
smells like pepper.

--
Alan Crozier
Lun
Sweden


Oh dear, the arsewipe Hines posts off-topic again.
--
Cheers

Peter

Please remove the invalid to reply

Leticia Cluff

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Leticia Cluff » 18 aug 2006 22:38:35

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:52:46 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hilarious!

"Leticia Cluff" [an appropriate name] is so sow-ignorant and stupid she does
not even know the expression and alleged custom of PRIMA NOCTA.

Yet she tries to correct her betters on USENET.

How Sweet It Is!

Vanessa, it just doesn't get any better than this.

Enjoy!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... rima+Nocta


So the "Urban Dictionary" is your authority for that? Hilarious! A
dictionary where the incorrect form "prima nocta" rubs shoulders with
words like "prikette" and "prillaman"?

Go on using the modern illiterate form "prima nocta" if you want, but
it won't change the fact that the nominative of the Latin word for
"night" is "nox."

You are only exposing your ignorance.

Tish

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 18 aug 2006 22:43:21

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:
:"La N" wrote in message
:
:> "hippo" wrote in message
:
:>> "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
:>>
:>>> "Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a little sock puppet.
:>>
:>> He's pretty articulate for a bit of yarn and felt. -the Troll
:>>
:> Heheheh ... and he sure keeps Hines' tootsies warm ...%)
:
:You're not supposed to enjoy it. Shame on you. You're the ref. -the Troll

And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
as impartial as they're supposed to be.

--
"It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point,
somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me....
I am the law."
-- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer

Vince

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Vince » 18 aug 2006 22:56:17

Fred J. McCall wrote:
"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:
:"La N" wrote in message
:
:> "hippo" wrote in message
:
:>> "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
:
:>>> "Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a little sock puppet.
:
:>> He's pretty articulate for a bit of yarn and felt. -the Troll
:
:> Heheheh ... and he sure keeps Hines' tootsies warm ...%)
:
:You're not supposed to enjoy it. Shame on you. You're the ref. -the Troll

And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
as impartial as they're supposed to be.


hopefully on topic

Admiral Dan Gallery of U-505 fame recalled the enlisted softball umpires
relishing their role. When protesting a cal he was told respectfully once

Captain SIR
If you repeat your comment SIR
I will throw you out of the game SIR

And he was

Vince

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 18 aug 2006 23:00:00

"Vince" <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote in message
news:qtWdnQ11ou4RqnvZnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
Fred J. McCall wrote:
"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:
:"La N" wrote in message
:
:> "hippo" wrote in message
:
:>> "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
:
:>>> "Peter" is not a Real Person but merely a little sock puppet.
:
:>> He's pretty articulate for a bit of yarn and felt. -the Troll
:
:> Heheheh ... and he sure keeps Hines' tootsies warm ...%)
:
:You're not supposed to enjoy it. Shame on you. You're the ref. -the
Troll And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're
seldom
as impartial as they're supposed to be.


hopefully on topic

Admiral Dan Gallery of U-505 fame recalled the enlisted softball umpires
relishing their role. When protesting a cal he was told respectfully
once

Captain SIR
If you repeat your comment SIR
I will throw you out of the game SIR

And he was


Of course, I'm not impartial. I *always* give Hippo bonus points. And he's
a Republican Bush-admirer for gawdsakes! ...%)

- nilita

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 18 aug 2006 23:01:32

Peter <usenetINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:

:On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:59:32 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:<fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:>Peter <usenetINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
:>
:>:On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:39:45 -0500, Grey Satterfield
:>:<gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote:
:>:
:>:
:>:>Disgusting! The foregoing scurrilous screed about D. Spencer Hines by
:>:>"Peter" is so personal, so meanspirited, and so out of line, it makes me
:>:>sympathize with DSH. "Peter" might want to think about that before telling
:>:>us more than we want to know about anybody else.
:>:>
:>:>Oh, yeah: *PLONK!*
:>:>
:>:>Grey Satterfield
:>:
:>:
:>:A number of points, which I suppose may be rather superfluous now taht
:>:you've killfiled me (assuming of course you actaully know what "plonk"
:>:means and you haven't buggered off for a quart of electric soup):
:>
:>Grey's been around longer than you have, Petey.
:
:And the significance of Grey longevioty is what exactly?

That he knows more about Usenet usage than you apparently do. Can't
follow a train of thought, Petey?

:>:1. What I posted above (and what you apparently found so objectionable
:>:you failked to snip any of it) has been posted many times, on many
:>:NG's
:>
:>You say that as if it means something. The fact that you weren't the
:>first (and no doubt aren't the last) to echo it is irrelevant.
:
:It means a lot - it means that a large (and doubtless increasing)
:number of people know that Hines is a complete fuckwit,

Which has nothing to do with anything and has nothing to do with what
you posted.

:>:2. The halfwit Hines has never contradicted any of it.
:>
:>You say that as if it means something. Failure to contradict idiocy
:>is hardly concurrence with same.
:
:So I have to assume that what I posted was true, as Hines felt unable
:to contradict any of it - he really was such a prick when in the
:service of the US military? Oh dear

And so you show yourself to be an idiot. One more time - failure to
contradict idiocy is hardly concurrence with same. Neither does it
constitute "unable to contradict". Most times it constitutes
something being said that is just too stupid to bother with.

:>:3. People that live in glasshouses (or Hawaii) shouldn't throw stones.
:>
:>People named Petey should piss into the wind.
:
:I can only assume you speak from experience, and doubtless can be
:found wandering around your home town, smelling of piss and trying to
:search out Hines - who, umbelievably, seems to be more intelligent
:than you.

Nope. My name isn't Petey and The Hindest has been in my killfile for
years. I'll leave reading his spew to idiots like you.

:>:4. I wait your rebuttal of the points made. However I shan't hold my
:>:breath
:>
:>Too bad about that. The world would be a better place if you did.
:
:Hines hasn't rebutted them, you aren't capable of rebutting anything -
:so best you run off back to your kennel - the poodle master will be
:looking for you.

Congratulations on showing just how egregiously stupid you are,
thinking that because I find you an offensive little twat that this
must mean I favor The Hindest.

Rebut this:

Do you speak any language that non-gibbering idiots can understand?
Just as the strength of a solitary brick will not save a poorly built
structure, your bold typeface does not redeem your craven incoherent
words.

I don't think you are a fool after reading your post, but what's my
opinion compared to that of thousands of others? You could type every
thing you know on the subject on back of a microscopic postage stamp
and still have room leftover for a shopping list. Well, you're
certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too.
To quote Thomas Brackett Reed: "They never open their mouths without
subtracting from the sum of human knowledge."

You are about as entertaining as a child's inflatable punching toy.
You bop it, it springs back, you bop it again and you forget it ever
existed. It slowly deflates in an unused corner, then one day you
throw it away. You have the warm personal charm of a millipede and
about as much class as a bucket of mucous lodged on top of a dumpster
in a Blue Light district of New Jersey. Maybe you wouldn't read like
such a pathetic loser if you weren't an 'idiot savant' without the
'savant' part; if your weren't so fat that when you stand on the
weighing scale, it reads: "Sorry, we don't weigh livestock.", or if
you didn't have a face so ugly that Peeping Toms break into your house
and close the blinds. Who am I kidding? You would.

In conclusion, sit down and shut up before trip over your own tongue
and hurt yourself.

--
"I could dance with you until the cows come home. On second
thought I'd rather dance with the cows until you come home."
-- Groucho Marx

Farm1

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Farm1 » 19 aug 2006 00:19:51

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
On 8/17/06 2:16 AM, in article
"Leticia Cluff" <tish.nospam.cluff@gmail.com> wrote:

Roy Stockdill posted some information about the circumstances of
his
birth on soc.genealogy.britain. (snip)

Note also the snide and abusive content of Hines's first messages
(which he silently snipped when he protested against Peter's
post):


Despite Spencer's frequent excesses, Peter's detailed and shockingly
personal recounting of Spencer's career as a naval officer turned me
off --
profoundly. If there is anybody who might deserve such treatment it
would
be D. Spencer Hines, but not even Spencer deserves that, it seems to
me.


But what about Roy Stockdill? Did he deserve the disgusting treatment
by Hines?

Hines had pushed the envelope too many times and in too many fora for
him to deserve any sympathy or consideration. He's a troll and a
disgustingly boring and offensive one.

As the Senate Counsel, Joseph Welch famously said to Senator Joe
McCarthy in
the 1954 Army-McCarthy hearings, "Have you no sense of decency, sir
at long
last? Have you no sense of decency?" I would also ask if Peter has
any
sense of decency.

You are asking the question about the wrong person. Where was Hines
sense of decency when he posted such a foul diatribe against Roy
Stockdill?

Roy is a man held in high regard in any group in which he chooses to
post. Hine is held in contempt in any group to which he posts. It
seems the only person to even consider that Hines may be human is you.

CE Wood

Re: Grizzly Bear Alert In Alaska

Legg inn av CE Wood » 19 aug 2006 00:27:30

Actually, it was much more interesting than the insulting, offensive,
and distaseful "ad hominem" comments which have no place here and
expose the inability of such posters to use critical thinking and
research in refutation.

CE Wood


Peter wrote:
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:05:42 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote:

Classic!

DSH
--------------------------------

"Alan Crozier" <name1.name2@telia.com> wrote in message
news:o7oFg.13643$E02.5026@newsb.telia.net...

Alaska Grizzly Bear Notice

In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear conflicts, the
Alaska Department of Fish and Game is advising tourists, hikers, and
fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears while
traveling this summer.

We advise that people wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as
not to startle bears that are not expecting them. We also advise
everyone to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a
grizzly

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity.
Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and
grizzly bear dung. Black bear dung is smaller and contains lots of
berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear dung has little bells in it and
smells like pepper.

--
Alan Crozier
Lun
Sweden


Oh dear, the arsewipe Hines posts off-topic again.
--
Cheers

Peter

Please remove the invalid to reply

Gjest

Re: Odinel and Simon Comyn, sons of Richard Comyn (d. 1182)

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 aug 2006 00:50:04

Dear John R,
It`s pretty clear to me that Henry, Earl of Athol,
wasn`t the son of Hextilda unless all his Athol brothers predeceased him, though
He is listed directly under Malcolm and Hextilda and before Simon, Duncan and
Kelehanthoni, all notably called filius ejus (son his? ) The whole is set in
similar fashion to a modern American census page beginning with the head of
household Malcolm, son of Madadh, Earl of Athol, then Hextilda his wife,
daughter of Huchtred of Tynedale, then the afore mentioned Henry, his son, Simon,
his son, and Duncan, his son, then comes Bedoch, soror ejus (his sister, rather
than filia ejus, "his daughter ", then the afore named Kelehanthoni, his son,
then come Christiana , his sister and Margaret his sister. unless Hextilda
had had a previous marriage to Malcolm, the oldest of his sons couldn`t be older
than 2 in order for her to be their mother as her 1st husband Richard Comyn
appears to have died no earlier than 1179. even by his death in January and her
rapid remarriage, Henry doesn`t seem to have been born before November 1179.
his elder co-heiress Isabel was married in about 1213 to Thomas of Galloway,
allowing for marriage at 12 (b 1201) and conception at 14, Patrick was born abt
1216, being of apparent age in 1237. Okay, that is theorically possible,
Henry being of age say 1200. As to the list, I suggest that the donation was made
for them and the Church of Saint Cuthbert in Durham made a list of all those
it was being commissioned to pray for the souls of. Likewise In Richard
Comyn`s donations to the church , Odinel and Simon, even if newly baptized could
have been mentioned that their souls might be provided with prayers, as the
Donation was material and the agreement spiritual it wouldn`t be a normal contract.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

Grey Satterfield

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Grey Satterfield » 19 aug 2006 01:10:01

On 8/18/06 3:30 PM, in article eg7ce29v05gphc1lrfp71us592lp6c4q98@4ax.com,
"Leticia Cluff" <tish.nospam.cluff@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:16:40 +0100, Peter
usenetINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
It means a lot - it means that a large (and doubtless increasing)
number of people know that Hines is a complete fuckwit, who is
incapable of any sort of meaningful interaction, probably has a severe
personality disorder, feels the need to cross post unecessarily, and
posts messages that are completely off topuic - indeed I am of the
opinion that Hines should have his own NG that he could post to ad
naseum and thereby safe everyone else from having to suffer his inane
ranting (and his pigeon latin)


You can expect to be corrected by Mr Hines here. The word you want is
pidgin, not pigeon.

It is true, however, that he tends to coo over his rudimentary Latin.
It's funniest when he tries to correct others, as here:

http://minilien.com/?GSB33qAat3
ou
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.hist ... eeb4?hl=el

Notice the concoction "prima nocta" instead of the correct nominative
"prima nox."

It doesn't get any better than this, Verbenia

Tish

Although I have *PLONK!*ed Peter, I must pass along my compliments to Tish,
who, in stark contrast to Peter, has gracefully, succinctly, and most of al
fairly skewered Mr. Hines.

It really does not get any better than this, Hortense! :)

Grey Satterfield

Grey Satterfield

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Grey Satterfield » 19 aug 2006 01:12:12

On 8/18/06 4:24 PM, in article 0vbce2pdklqr4s2mqcjf4hu2qcipmls23c@4ax.com,
"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:

"pigdos" <NA@nowhere.com> wrote:

:Spencer was in the Navy? And he can't stop writing about homosexuals? Tell
:me that doesn't speak volumes...

Ok. It doesn't speak volumes.

Funny how, to get a shot at The Hindest you decide to insult millions
of people, ALL of whom are better people than you are.

It's hard to imagine that there are those who could make Spencer look good
by comparison but there it is. On the other hand, some of the anti-Hines
japes and jibes in this thread have been quite good.

Grey Satterfield

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 19 aug 2006 01:24:56

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C10BC18C.2F741%gsatterfield@cox.net...
On 8/18/06 4:24 PM, in article 0vbce2pdklqr4s2mqcjf4hu2qcipmls23c@4ax.com,
"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:

"pigdos" <NA@nowhere.com> wrote:

:Spencer was in the Navy? And he can't stop writing about homosexuals?
Tell
:me that doesn't speak volumes...

Ok. It doesn't speak volumes.

Funny how, to get a shot at The Hindest you decide to insult millions
of people, ALL of whom are better people than you are.

It's hard to imagine that there are those who could make Spencer look good
by comparison but there it is. On the other hand, some of the anti-Hines
japes and jibes in this thread have been quite good.


I think it is pretty fair to say that Hines doesn't seem to have a fan club.
Oh - there was one guy who did a drive-by posting saying that Hines is
always right. He disappeared quickly. Could be a Hines sock. Even
Hippo-troll has decided he's had enough and has relinquished his membership!

- nilita

Grey Satterfield

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Grey Satterfield » 19 aug 2006 02:09:10

On 8/18/06 7:24 PM, in article sTsFg.9455$Ch.3224@clgrps13, "La N"
<nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C10BC18C.2F741%gsatterfield@cox.net...
On 8/18/06 4:24 PM, in article 0vbce2pdklqr4s2mqcjf4hu2qcipmls23c@4ax.com,
"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:

"pigdos" <NA@nowhere.com> wrote:

:Spencer was in the Navy? And he can't stop writing about homosexuals?
Tell
:me that doesn't speak volumes...

Ok. It doesn't speak volumes.

Funny how, to get a shot at The Hindest you decide to insult millions
of people, ALL of whom are better people than you are.

It's hard to imagine that there are those who could make Spencer look good
by comparison but there it is. On the other hand, some of the anti-Hines
japes and jibes in this thread have been quite good.


I think it is pretty fair to say that Hines doesn't seem to have a fan club.
Oh - there was one guy who did a drive-by posting saying that Hines is
always right. He disappeared quickly. Could be a Hines sock. Even
Hippo-troll has decided he's had enough and has relinquished his membership!

Most of what I have said about Spencer's conduct has been critical., and
fairly so I think, but I believe to a moral certainty that he is WAY too
arrogant to ever post under a false ID. The DSH you see is the DSH you get
-- however bad that may be.

Grey Satterfield

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 19 aug 2006 02:22:57

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C10BCEE6.2F780%gsatterfield@cox.net...
On 8/18/06 7:24 PM, in article sTsFg.9455$Ch.3224@clgrps13, "La N"
nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:


"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C10BC18C.2F741%gsatterfield@cox.net...
On 8/18/06 4:24 PM, in article
0vbce2pdklqr4s2mqcjf4hu2qcipmls23c@4ax.com,
"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:

"pigdos" <NA@nowhere.com> wrote:

:Spencer was in the Navy? And he can't stop writing about homosexuals?
Tell
:me that doesn't speak volumes...

Ok. It doesn't speak volumes.

Funny how, to get a shot at The Hindest you decide to insult millions
of people, ALL of whom are better people than you are.

It's hard to imagine that there are those who could make Spencer look
good
by comparison but there it is. On the other hand, some of the
anti-Hines
japes and jibes in this thread have been quite good.


I think it is pretty fair to say that Hines doesn't seem to have a fan
club.
Oh - there was one guy who did a drive-by posting saying that Hines is
always right. He disappeared quickly. Could be a Hines sock. Even
Hippo-troll has decided he's had enough and has relinquished his
membership!

Most of what I have said about Spencer's conduct has been critical., and
fairly so I think, but I believe to a moral certainty that he is WAY too
arrogant to ever post under a false ID. The DSH you see is the DSH you
get
-- however bad that may be.


I agree, Grey. I was being facetious knowing how much Hines blows his stack
over all the "socks" he claims to cross his path ...%)

- nilita

John P. Ravilious

Re: Odinel and Simon Comyn, sons of Richard Comyn (d. 1182)

Legg inn av John P. Ravilious » 19 aug 2006 03:36:45

Dear James,

The one piece of evidence (noted previously by Chris Phillips)
which ties Henry, earl of Athol and his family to the Comyns is found
in SP I:419 [sub _The Celtic Earls of Atholl_], note (1), concerning a
conjecture re: Margaret, wife of Earl Henry:

" It is possible she may have been a Comyn. Walter Comyn, Earl
of Menteith, took an interest in her affairs after Earl Henry's death
(Register of Cupar Abbey, 332, 333), and after the murder of her
grandson Patrick, Earl of Atholl, in 1242, Alexander Comyn, the heir of
Buchan, and John Comyn the Red, his nephew, are described as the Earl's
kinsmen by the mother's side 'cognati eius'. Fordun a Goodall, ii. 73.
"

I believe Margaret, wife of Earl Henry, was most likely a
daughter of Alwin, Earl of Lennox (d. 1217 or before), but her
identification is not proven to date. Nonetheless, contrary to the
doubts of the Scots Peerage author (SP I:417), as Chris Phillips noted
with regard to the SP text given above, "these Comyns were descendants
of Hextilda's first marriage, so this could be explained by Henry being
Hextilda's son."

Cheers,

John


Jwc1870@aol.com wrote:
Dear John R,
It`s pretty clear to me that Henry, Earl of Athol,
wasn`t the son of Hextilda unless all his Athol brothers predeceased him, though
He is listed directly under Malcolm and Hextilda and before Simon, Duncan and
Kelehanthoni, all notably called filius ejus (son his? ) The whole is set in
similar fashion to a modern American census page beginning with the head of
household Malcolm, son of Madadh, Earl of Athol, then Hextilda his wife,
daughter of Huchtred of Tynedale, then the afore mentioned Henry, his son, Simon,
his son, and Duncan, his son, then comes Bedoch, soror ejus (his sister, rather
than filia ejus, "his daughter ", then the afore named Kelehanthoni, his son,
then come Christiana , his sister and Margaret his sister. unless Hextilda
had had a previous marriage to Malcolm, the oldest of his sons couldn`t be older
than 2 in order for her to be their mother as her 1st husband Richard Comyn
appears to have died no earlier than 1179. even by his death in January and her
rapid remarriage, Henry doesn`t seem to have been born before November 1179.
his elder co-heiress Isabel was married in about 1213 to Thomas of Galloway,
allowing for marriage at 12 (b 1201) and conception at 14, Patrick was born abt
1216, being of apparent age in 1237. Okay, that is theorically possible,
Henry being of age say 1200. As to the list, I suggest that the donation was made
for them and the Church of Saint Cuthbert in Durham made a list of all those
it was being commissioned to pray for the souls of. Likewise In Richard
Comyn`s donations to the church , Odinel and Simon, even if newly baptized could
have been mentioned that their souls might be provided with prayers, as the
Donation was material and the agreement spiritual it wouldn`t be a normal contract.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

John P. Ravilious

Re: Odinel and Simon Comyn, sons of Richard Comyn (d. 1182)

Legg inn av John P. Ravilious » 19 aug 2006 03:50:19

Dear James,

Another item re: Earl Henry of Athol, concerning his wife
Margaret.

In theory, one could make a logical argument where if she
were a Comyn, she would have been a daughter of Richard Comyn and
Hextilda, and was married to her stepbrother Henry (if a son of Earl
Malcolm by an earlier wife, a la SP I:417) as was frequently done
during the age.

However, this does not work well with the Liber Vitae entry.
If there was a living Margaret Comyn at the time, whether married to
Henry or awaiting marriage, surely she would have been named (she was
not). If one took the position that she may have married, had her
children by Henry, and was deceased, then surely the daughters of Henry
(Isabel and Forbflaith, or Forflissa) would have been named - and they
are not. This puts us in the position of stating the following:

1. Margaret was not of the Comyn family, and was probably
not married
to Henry at the time of the LV Durham entry.

2. Henry's daughters were likewise not yet born at the time
of the entry.

While this does not prove the 'Henry son of Hextilda' theory,
I think it strongly supports it, tight chronology or no.

Cheers,

John



Jwc1870@aol.com wrote:
Dear John R,
It`s pretty clear to me that Henry, Earl of Athol,
wasn`t the son of Hextilda unless all his Athol brothers predeceased him, though
He is listed directly under Malcolm and Hextilda and before Simon, Duncan and
Kelehanthoni, all notably called filius ejus (son his? ) The whole is set in
similar fashion to a modern American census page beginning with the head of
household Malcolm, son of Madadh, Earl of Athol, then Hextilda his wife,
daughter of Huchtred of Tynedale, then the afore mentioned Henry, his son, Simon,
his son, and Duncan, his son, then comes Bedoch, soror ejus (his sister, rather
than filia ejus, "his daughter ", then the afore named Kelehanthoni, his son,
then come Christiana , his sister and Margaret his sister. unless Hextilda
had had a previous marriage to Malcolm, the oldest of his sons couldn`t be older
than 2 in order for her to be their mother as her 1st husband Richard Comyn
appears to have died no earlier than 1179. even by his death in January and her
rapid remarriage, Henry doesn`t seem to have been born before November 1179.
his elder co-heiress Isabel was married in about 1213 to Thomas of Galloway,
allowing for marriage at 12 (b 1201) and conception at 14, Patrick was born abt
1216, being of apparent age in 1237. Okay, that is theorically possible,
Henry being of age say 1200. As to the list, I suggest that the donation was made
for them and the Church of Saint Cuthbert in Durham made a list of all those
it was being commissioned to pray for the souls of. Likewise In Richard
Comyn`s donations to the church , Odinel and Simon, even if newly baptized could
have been mentioned that their souls might be provided with prayers, as the
Donation was material and the agreement spiritual it wouldn`t be a normal contract.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

Gjest

Re: King Cnut's descendents

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 aug 2006 03:56:02

Dear Ziba,
No, Cnut II, King of Denmark and England has no living
descendants unless King Harold I of England or his half brother King Cnut III
(Hardecanute) of Denmark and England or possibly one of their sisters left an
unacknowledged ? (no record appears to have survived) illegitimate child as their
cousin , Sweyn II became King of Denmark. his mother Astrid /Estrith was Cnut
II`s sister, daughter of Sweyn I, King of Denmark and England.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

Paul Mackenzie

Re: Miscellaneous books recently available on Google

Legg inn av Paul Mackenzie » 19 aug 2006 04:14:25

WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/18/2006 8:15:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
nathanieltaylor@earthlink.net writes:

There are great gems coming on line, but the whole system is buggy and
weird. Google needs to find some way to have better cross-referenced
book-level citations, including better identification (or any
identification at all) of serial volumes.


Speaking of weird and buggy, sometimes the page text is clear but so small I
can't read it. I mean the resolution is fine, it's just small. Is there
some sort of "magnifying glass" tool that exists for making the images bigger?
I already tried the whole saving to a picture thing and it just doesn't work.
Will


I agree the whole system is weird.

I think the major problem is searching volumes such as calendar of
patent rolls etc. The title in some cases does not include the volume or
year number.

Furthermore the search results tend to return not only the book(s) you
are interested in but also any other later books that cite that book.

Another problem I have is searching by way of author. Also the
combination of keyword + author

As to the images, I have had the same problem, but I was able to save
the images to file then magnify. Maybe it is different for different books.


Regards

Paul.

Gjest

re: Odinel and Simon Comyn, sons of Richard Comyn (d. 1182)

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 aug 2006 05:16:03

Dear James,

Another item re: Earl Henry of Athol, concerning his
wife Margaret.

In theory, one could make a logical argument where if she
were a Comyn, she would have been a daughter of Richard Comyn
and Hextilda, and was married to her stepbrother Henry (if a
son of Earl Malcolm by an earlier wife, a la SP I:417) as was
frequently done during the age.

However, this does not work well with the Liber Vitae
entry. If there was a living Margaret Comyn at the time,
whether married to Henry or awaiting marriage, surely she
would have been named (she was not). If one took the
position that she may have married, had her children by
Henry, and was deceased, then surely the daughters of
Henry (Isabel and Forbflaith, or Forflissa) would have been
named - and they are not. This puts us in the position
of stating the following:

1. Margaret was not of the Comyn family, and was
probably not married to Henry at the time of the
LV Durham entry.

2. Henry's daughters were likewise not yet born at
the time of the entry.

While this does not prove the 'Henry son of Hextilda'
theory, I think it strongly supports it, tight chronology or no.

Cheers,


John




Jwc1...@aol.com wrote:
Dear John R,
It`s pretty clear to me that Henry, Earl of Athol,
wasn`t the son of Hextilda unless all his Athol brothers predeceased him,
though
He is listed directly under Malcolm and Hextilda and before Simon, Duncan
and
Kelehanthoni, all notably called filius ejus (son his? ) The whole is set
in
similar fashion to a modern American census page beginning with the head of
household Malcolm, son of Madadh, Earl of Athol, then Hextilda his wife,
daughter of Huchtred of Tynedale, then the afore mentioned Henry, his son,
Simon,
his son, and Duncan, his son, then comes Bedoch, soror ejus (his sister,
rather
than filia ejus, "his daughter ", then the afore named Kelehanthoni, his
son,
then come Christiana , his sister and Margaret his sister. unless Hextilda
had had a previous marriage to Malcolm, the oldest of his sons couldn`t be
older
than 2 in order for her to be their mother as her 1st husband Richard Comyn
appears to have died no earlier than 1179. even by his death in January and
her
rapid remarriage, Henry doesn`t seem to have been born before November
1179.
his elder co-heiress Isabel was married in about 1213 to Thomas of
Galloway,
allowing for marriage at 12 (b 1201) and conception at 14, Patrick was born
abt
1216, being of apparent age in 1237. Okay, that is theorically possible,
Henry being of age say 1200. As to the list, I suggest that the donation
was made
for them and the Church of Saint Cuthbert in Durham made a list of all
those
it was being commissioned to pray for the souls of. Likewise In Richard
Comyn`s donations to the church , Odinel and Simon, even if newly baptized
could
have been mentioned that their souls might be provided with prayers, as the
Donation was material and the agreement spiritual it wouldn`t be a normal
contract.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

pigdos

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av pigdos » 19 aug 2006 05:46:13

I wasn't insulting anyone in the Navy or any Navy in particular...only
Hines... I'm sorry if you took it to meant I was insulting any Naval forces
anywhere, but Spencer Hines hardly represents any Navy anywhere...

--
Doug
"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:0vbce2pdklqr4s2mqcjf4hu2qcipmls23c@4ax.com...
"pigdos" <NA@nowhere.com> wrote:

:Spencer was in the Navy? And he can't stop writing about homosexuals?
Tell
:me that doesn't speak volumes...

Ok. It doesn't speak volumes.

Funny how, to get a shot at The Hindest you decide to insult millions
of people, ALL of whom are better people than you are.

--
"Just consider me your friend. I am until the end.
Can I guarantee you life? I don't think I can.
This isn't the life for me. This isn't the way I want to be.
And let me tell you, Death will come when I'm good and ready."
-- Godsmack, "I Am"

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 19 aug 2006 07:28:16

"Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote:

:You are asking the question about the wrong person. Where was Hines
:sense of decency when he posted such a foul diatribe against Roy
:Stockdill?
:
:Roy is a man held in high regard in any group in which he chooses to
:post. Hine is held in contempt in any group to which he posts. It
:seems the only person to even consider that Hines may be human is you.

So your answer is to behave like The Hindest?

I guess he's won, then.

--
You are
What you do
When it counts.

Leticia Cluff

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Leticia Cluff » 19 aug 2006 10:08:06

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:10:01 -0500, Grey Satterfield
<gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote:

On 8/18/06 3:30 PM, in article eg7ce29v05gphc1lrfp71us592lp6c4q98@4ax.com,
"Leticia Cluff" <tish.nospam.cluff@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:16:40 +0100, Peter
usenetINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:
It means a lot - it means that a large (and doubtless increasing)
number of people know that Hines is a complete fuckwit, who is
incapable of any sort of meaningful interaction, probably has a severe
personality disorder, feels the need to cross post unecessarily, and
posts messages that are completely off topuic - indeed I am of the
opinion that Hines should have his own NG that he could post to ad
naseum and thereby safe everyone else from having to suffer his inane
ranting (and his pigeon latin)


You can expect to be corrected by Mr Hines here. The word you want is
pidgin, not pigeon.

It is true, however, that he tends to coo over his rudimentary Latin.
It's funniest when he tries to correct others, as here:

http://minilien.com/?GSB33qAat3
ou
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.hist ... eeb4?hl=el

Notice the concoction "prima nocta" instead of the correct nominative
"prima nox."

It doesn't get any better than this, Verbenia

Tish

Although I have *PLONK!*ed Peter, I must pass along my compliments to Tish,
who, in stark contrast to Peter, has gracefully, succinctly, and most of al
fairly skewered Mr. Hines.

It really does not get any better than this, Hortense! :)


Thank you. It was not difficult. Hines has confirmed that any idiot
can find anything he wants by googling. The trick is to show critical
judgment by discerning what is correct among the vast amounts of
misinformation on the Internet.

You get 2,170 hits for "prima nocta” as opposed to only 196 for "prima
nox.” It is not wise to conclude from this that "prima nocta” is
correct. If you look at the examples of "prima nocta” you will see
that many are written by illiterate teenagers discussing "Braveheart,”
while others refer to the title of a song by an electronic rock group.
It is also the name of a theater company, "developed to offer an
intimate fun environment to enjoy erotic Performance art, live music,
and sensual cuisine in the company of other sexy people."

The examples of "prima nox,” in contrast, occur in scholarly contexts,
used by people who actually know Latin.

I suspect that Mr. Hines has seen "Braveheart” more often than he has
opened a Latin dictionary. The Urban Dictionary of English slang to
which he referred us does not count as a Latin dictionary. It claims
to be “a slang dictionary with your definitions,” a Wikipedia-style
site used mainly by rappers. The mp3 of that song by Nocta Peppa does
not prove me wrong either. And the erotic theater company from
Australia does not strike me as the best source of information about
Latin morphology, however interesting their sensuous lounge parties
might be: http://www.primanocta.com.au/concept.htm.

How can a man who professes to be my better in Latin believe such
dubious authorities, or indeed believe in the existence of a Latin
word “nocta” at all? He wrote, quite correctly,

"Primae noctis" is in the genitive case.

but then went on to write, quite erroneously:

"Prima nocta" would be the nominative case.

It "would be" if he had discovered a new Latin declension (the sixth?)
in which a nominative “nocta” has a genitive form “noctis”. Perhaps we
should revise all our Latin grammars to take this new discovery into
account. Nouns that we have hitherto believed to have nominative forms
like “lux” and “vox” should instead be written “luca” and “voca”. By
analogy, masculine titles like “dux” and “rex” must properly become
“ducus” and “regus”.

The crux (or cruca?) of the matter is that Hines has once again been
caught making a stupid mistake (it's been a bad week for him) and he
has tried to bluff and bluster his way out of it by means of a
slovenly Internet search. He added rudeness to ignorance by abusing me
and my name. In doing so he has reduced his credibility even more.

I would like an apology from Hines, or at least an admission that he
was wrong. Or am I expecting too much?

Pax vobiscum (or Paca vobiscum, in the new erotic rappers' Latin)

Tish

Welsh Rarebit

Re: Grizzly Bear Alert In Alaska

Legg inn av Welsh Rarebit » 19 aug 2006 11:55:58

Hines spreads more dung across Usenet...



"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LcoFg.5$15.1129@eagle.america.net...
Classic!

DSH
--------------------------------

"Alan Crozier" <name1.name2@telia.com> wrote in message
news:o7oFg.13643$E02.5026@newsb.telia.net...

Alaska Grizzly Bear Notice

In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear conflicts,
the
Alaska Department of Fish and Game is advising tourists, hikers, and
fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears while
traveling this summer.

We advise that people wear noisy little bells on their clothing so
as
not to startle bears that are not expecting them. We also advise
everyone to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter
with a
grizzly

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear
activity.
Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and
grizzly bear dung. Black bear dung is smaller and contains lots of
berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear dung has little bells in it
and
smells like pepper.

--
Alan Crozier
Lun
Sweden


D. Spencer Hines

Re: Robinson The Poseur Prattles, Pontificates & Parades Her

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 19 aug 2006 14:34:14

Robinson -- Truly A VERY Ignorant & Quite Stupid English Woman.

A Poster Girl For the Angry English Left?

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Kay Robinson" <Kay_Robinson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nuPmRP5b91NsLyOIkDphgqo1R=Uz@4ax.com...

If all food production was [sic] to become 'organic' be [sic] their
defintion, [sic] there would be the [sic] land avaiable [sic] to
feed the population, so I see it as just another way of extracting
profit from the pockets/purses of the gullibel. [sic]

And:

Personally I don't buy any English farm produce, but for reasons other
than taste or quality. As an avid anti fox hunting [sic] supporter I'm
incensed by the attitude of the farmers, who tell us we're townies and
should keep out of country affairs, support the hunt, and then moan
because the townies don't buy their produce.

I live in a rural area, most of the 'farmers' around here (those that
haven't converted their farms to up-market accomadation [sic] for
professionals) are 'Independent Hauliers' [sic] with yards full of lorries
etc, not to mention scap [sic] metal.

As long as the English farmer supports the hunt, I'll look forward to
their [sic] bancruptcy. [sic]

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Robinson The Poseur Prattles, Pontificates & Parades Her

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 19 aug 2006 14:47:08

Hilarious!

Robinson -- Truly A VERY Ignorant & Quite Stupid English Woman.

A Poster Girl For the Angry, Anti-Fox-Hunting English Left?

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

<brightside@reply_addy_is_not.invalid> wrote in message
news:9k3ee2hvjigc84ciq24bclvq942dbdlrh8@4ax.com...

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:19:04 +0100, Kay Robinson
<Kay_Robinson@hotmail.com> wrote:

Personally I don't buy any English farm produce, but for reasons other
than taste or quality. As an avid anti fox hunting [sic] supporter I'm
incensed by the attitude of the farmers, who tell us we're townies and
should keep out of country affairs, support the hunt, and then moan
because the townies don't buy their produce.

I live in a rural area, most of the 'farmers' around here (those that
haven't converted their farms to up-market accomadation [sic] for
professionals) are 'Independent Hauliers' [sic] with yards full of lorries
etc, not to mention scap [sic] metal.

As long as the English farmer supports the hunt, I'll look forward to
their [sic] bancruptcy. [sic]

I do buy beef from other countries, Irish beef is lovely and cooked
properly melts in the mouth, indeed, both Scottish and French beef do
equally well. English fruit, as mentioned, appears to deterioate [sic] very
quickly these days for some unknown reason.

Didn't the French invite one or more of The English hunts to come to
France and do their hunting there? Ah yes here it is.

<http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=16728&name=English+fox+hunters+take+the+chase+to+France>

or http://tinyurl.co.uk/lhah

It looks like the French beef is off your menu now.

--
brightside S9

Doug McDonald

Re: Grizzly Bear Alert In Alaska

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 19 aug 2006 14:54:53

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Classic!

DSH
Grizzly bear dung has little bells in it and
smells like pepper.


Yes, the first 9999 times it has been played. Now
it's just gettng old!


(Speaking as a person who has seen very many grizzly bears
and actually bumped into one.)

Doug McDonald

Gjest

Re: Odinel and Simon Comyn, sons of Richard Comyn (d. 1182)

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 aug 2006 16:50:03

Dear John R , Chris and Others,
I suppose it wouldn`t be too
radical a notion that Hextilda had Henry and Simon as twins in 1179/80, then
Duncan in 1181 with Kelehanthoni being born just prior the donation to Saint
Cuthbert`s as Malcolm`s sister Bethoc was named between the last two sons, then
his sisters Christaina and Margaret, followed by Malcolm`s nepos (probably
nephew) Constantine, then his stepchildren William, Christein, Idonea and Ada
Comyn. as You stated Henry was not yet married and Margaret his future wife
couldn`t have been Hextilda`s daughter. In theory She could have been a daughter
of Richard Comyn`s brother Walter, but that is an unknown. So, We have Bethoc
born probably in the late 1080`s /early 1090`s - died between 1150-1170.
Hextilda couldn`t have been born later than 1135 (to have John Comyn born in 1159)
and probably a few years earlier say abt 1130, making her 49 or 50 (or 44 /45
at Henry (and Simon`s) birth. there is at least one website indicating Simon
was older than Henry and predeceased him and 52 or 47 at Kelehanthoni`s birth.
this is assuming She were their biological mother rather than the loving
stepmother of Malcolm`s young sons. It is obvious from the document that William,
the Comyn heir and her three Comyn daughters cohabited with the Earl of Athol.
such an arrangement could result in bonds as strong and lasting as blood.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

Eve McLaughlin

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Eve McLaughlin » 19 aug 2006 18:07:37

"Leticia Cluff" [an appropriate name] is so sow-ignorant and stupid she does
not even know the expression and alleged custom of PRIMA NOCTA.

And Hines does not know |Latin if he thinks that is correct.
Yet she tries to correct her betters on USENET

Yet it tries to contradict its betters etc

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 19 aug 2006 18:13:13

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
as impartial as they're supposed to be.

She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
here and that's the point. -the Troll

Tony Pratt

Re: Grizzly Bear Alert In Alaska

Legg inn av Tony Pratt » 19 aug 2006 18:14:56

I'm sorry I don't quite see why this post is on this particular forum,
am I missing something? If not and it isn't relevant maybe this is an
inappropriate post? If so can anything be done about it?

To be more succinct - please keep posts to topic!

Tony


D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Classic!

DSH
--------------------------------

"Alan Crozier" <name1.name2@telia.com> wrote in message
news:o7oFg.13643$E02.5026@newsb.telia.net...

Alaska Grizzly Bear Notice

In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear conflicts, the
Alaska Department of Fish and Game is advising tourists, hikers, and
fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears while
traveling this summer.

We advise that people wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as
not to startle bears that are not expecting them. We also advise
everyone to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a
grizzly

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity.
Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and
grizzly bear dung. Black bear dung is smaller and contains lots of
berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear dung has little bells in it and
smells like pepper.

--
Alan Crozier
Lun
Sweden

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 19 aug 2006 18:16:31

"La N" wrote in message

Of course, I'm not impartial. I *always* give Hippo bonus points. And
he's a Republican Bush-admirer for gawdsakes! ...%)

Chuckle, see, you're perfect. :^) You also aren't afraid to call BS on a
BSer and you aren't stuck in the US political rut. -the Troll

Eve McLaughlin

Re: That Royal Connection

Legg inn av Eve McLaughlin » 19 aug 2006 18:24:07

In article <iMoFg.8$15.1067@eagle.america.net>, "D. Spencer Hines"
<poguemidden@hotmail.com> writes
Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!

Back to school to learn Latin, if you must use it.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

D. Spencer Hines

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 19 aug 2006 18:35:44

Hilarious!

Leticia Cluff [what a name] is still frothing at the mouth and coming on
like a Bull Dyke who is having a bad-hair day.

She is obviously sow-ignorant of the roots of the _Droit de Cuissage_ or
_Jus Primae Noctis_.

We all know that the Standard Classical Latin for "First Night" is _Prima
Nox_ -- so Cluff, even in the Duff, is merely spinning her wheels wildly on
that one.

But the 20th and 21st Century Anglo-Latin Formulation For the _Jus Primae
Noctis_ -- Much More Evocative, Euphonious, Lubricious and Lascivious, To
Both The Eye And The Ear, Is _Prima Nocta_.

Live With It...

How Sweet It Is!

Victoria, It Just Doesn't Get Any Better Than This.

Enjoy!

http://www.fibri.de/jus/arthbes.htm

Jörg Wettlaufer

This is a preprint version! The article has been published in: Evolution
and Human Behavior, Vol 21, Nr. 2 (2000): 111-123. Please cite only the
printed version!

Abstract:

The jus primae noctis was, in the European late medieval context, a
widespread popular belief in an ancient privilege of the lord of the manor
to share the wedding bed with his peasants' brides. Symbolic gestures,
reflecting this belief, were developed by the lords and used as humiliating
signs of superiority over the dependent peasants in the 15th century, a time
of diminishing status differences. Actual intercourse in the exercise of the
alleged right is difficult to prove, and there is no hard evidence to
suggest that it ever actually happened. However, the symbolic gestures can
be best interpreted as a male power display with a basis in the psychology
of coercive social dominance, male competition, and male desire for sexual
variety. Several non-European cultures have accounts of a similar custom
related to a young girl's first sexual intercourse: ritual defloration by
chiefs, priests or strangers. This non-European custom differs from the jus
primae noctis in its proximate details, but seems, from an ultimate point of
view, to be in conformity with the European evidence. In this paper the
origin, development and relationship of both customs is discussed and
interpreted in the light of recent evolutionary studies of primate behavior
and sexual psychology.

Key Words: Jus primae noctis, power display behavior, wedding customs,
medieval history, ritual defloration, despotism and differential
reproduction.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The existence of a jus primae noctis in the Middle Ages was an eagerly
disputed topic in the nineteenth century (Schmidt 1881, 1884; Pfannenschmid
1883; Hanauer 1893; cf. Schmidt-Bleibtreu 1988). Although most historians
would agree today that there is no authentic proof of the actual exercise of
the custom in the Middle Ages, disagreements persist concerning the origin,
meaning and development of a widespread popular belief in this alleged
"right" and the existence of symbolic gestures associated with it (Barros
1993; Boureau 1995; Sorlin 1987; Wettlaufer 1994, 1999). These symbolic
gestures have not yet been discussed in the light of evolutionary studies of
sexual psychology, although they seem to be of relevance to the reproductive
prospects of dominant males, at least indirectly through the display of
status.

In this paper, I argue that: (1) the right of the first night is a very old
theme (topos) in Eurasian literature, reflecting the relationship between
status and mating success; (2) in the later Middle Ages, a popular belief in
the sexual privilege of a lord of the manor on the wedding night was used by
some lords to display their superiority over their dependent peasants in a
time of diminishing status differences; (3) ritual defloration, as seen in
other cultures, was very often performed by persons of high status (chiefs,
priests) and therefore fits into the picture of a strong and widespread
relationship between despotism and differential reproduction in traditional
societies; and (4) Jus primae noctis and ritual defloration reflect a common
underlying adaptive psychology that gave rise to these customs in human
cultures."...

D. Spencer Hines

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 19 aug 2006 18:41:51

I knew that an apology was too much to expect from the homophobic
Evangelicofascist....

"Letitia Cluff"
------------------------------

Hilarious!

Yes, she certainly sounds like a Bull Dyke Atheist who is having a bad-hair
day.

Enjoy, Veronique!

Christmas In August!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Deus Vult

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 19 aug 2006 19:02:35

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eehrhhk0nse96@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

Of course, I'm not impartial. I *always* give Hippo bonus points. And
he's a Republican Bush-admirer for gawdsakes! ...%)

Chuckle, see, you're perfect. :^) You also aren't afraid to call BS on a
BSer and you aren't stuck in the US political rut. -the Troll


Thank you, my sweet rubenesque hipster ....%)

- nilita

Grey Satterfield

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av Grey Satterfield » 19 aug 2006 19:08:26

On 8/19/06 12:35 PM, in article E_HFg.40$15.1275@eagle.america.net, "D.
Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hilarious!

Leticia Cluff [what a name] is still frothing at the mouth and coming on
like a Bull Dyke who is having a bad-hair day.

I like Tish and she has been responsible for some delicious and well
deserved putdowns at Spencer's expense lately. Nevertheless, I can't help
but give credit where credit is due to Spencer, too: the foregoing is
really funny; mean, but really funny.

Grey Satterfield

La N

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av La N » 19 aug 2006 19:10:08

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C10CBDCA.2F890%gsatterfield@cox.net...
On 8/19/06 12:35 PM, in article E_HFg.40$15.1275@eagle.america.net, "D.
Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hilarious!

Leticia Cluff [what a name] is still frothing at the mouth and coming on
like a Bull Dyke who is having a bad-hair day.

I like Tish and she has been responsible for some delicious and well
deserved putdowns at Spencer's expense lately. Nevertheless, I can't help
but give credit where credit is due to Spencer, too: the foregoing is
really funny; mean, but really funny.


I don't geddit. I have never hard of a bull dyke complaining of bed head.

- nilita

Tony Hoskins

Re: Time for a truce?

Legg inn av Tony Hoskins » 19 aug 2006 19:21:02

"They will go on until they all drop with exhaustion."

I disagree. They will go on as long as anyone *reacts* to their
disgusting, infantile self-indulgent behavior. Reacting feeds and
perpetuates their nastiness. My solution: ignore and/or kill-file.

Tony

Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562

Gjest

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 aug 2006 19:22:02

Are you insulting sows?

Bryn

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av Bryn » 19 aug 2006 19:37:18

In message <4uIFg.13534$tP4.8749@clgrps12>, La N
<nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes
"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C10CBDCA.2F890%gsatterfield@cox.net...
On 8/19/06 12:35 PM, in article E_HFg.40$15.1275@eagle.america.net, "D.
Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hilarious!

Leticia Cluff [what a name] is still frothing at the mouth and coming on
like a Bull Dyke who is having a bad-hair day.

I like Tish and she has been responsible for some delicious and well
deserved putdowns at Spencer's expense lately. Nevertheless, I can't help
but give credit where credit is due to Spencer, too: the foregoing is
really funny; mean, but really funny.


I don't geddit. I have never hard of a bull dyke complaining of bed head.

- nilita

Psst!
What's a Bull-Dyke?
Is it something Hawaiian?
Like a Haha but different, for cows rather than sheep?


--
Bryn

Yes!
I admit it!
I am the man who shot Bambi's Mum....

And then later I ate some of her body parts....

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 19 aug 2006 20:20:30

Leticia Cluff <tish.nospam.cluff@gmail.com> wrote:

:I would like an apology from Hines, or at least an admission that he
:was wrong. Or am I expecting too much?

You're expecting far, far too much, given that we're discussing The
Hindest. For The Hindest, "Being a git means never having to say
you're sorry."

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Grey Satterfield

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av Grey Satterfield » 19 aug 2006 20:40:29

On 8/19/06 1:10 PM, in article 4uIFg.13534$tP4.8749@clgrps12, "La N"
<nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C10CBDCA.2F890%gsatterfield@cox.net...
On 8/19/06 12:35 PM, in article E_HFg.40$15.1275@eagle.america.net, "D.
Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hilarious!

Leticia Cluff [what a name] is still frothing at the mouth and coming on
like a Bull Dyke who is having a bad-hair day.

I like Tish and she has been responsible for some delicious and well
deserved putdowns at Spencer's expense lately. Nevertheless, I can't help
but give credit where credit is due to Spencer, too: the foregoing is
really funny; mean, but really funny.


I don't geddit. I have never hard of a bull dyke complaining of bed head.

It doesn't have to be logical to be funny and I know funny. Trust me on
this. :)

Grey Satterfield

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 19 aug 2006 20:44:18

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:
:> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
:> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
:
:She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
:here and that's the point. -the Troll

Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).

--
"Oooo, scary! Y'know, there are a lot scarier things
in the world than you ... and I'm one of them."

-- Buffy the vampire

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 19 aug 2006 20:48:37

"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:
:> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
:> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
:
:She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
:here and that's the point. -the Troll

Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).


I may "lean left" because I'm Canadian and a social democrat. But I sure as
hell get along with people from both political Parties in the U.S., a
country that seems so polarized politically. Having said that, I've been
called everything from a Bush-lover to a communist.

I take all these assessments with a grain of salt.

If/when I move to the U.S., I don't know how I would vote. I don't see any
good leadership material coming down the pike from either Party.

- nilita

Fred J. McCall

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 19 aug 2006 20:54:15

Grey Satterfield <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote:

:On 8/19/06 12:35 PM, in article E_HFg.40$15.1275@eagle.america.net, "D.
:Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
:> Hilarious!
:>
:> Leticia Cluff [what a name] is still frothing at the mouth and coming on
:> like a Bull Dyke who is having a bad-hair day.
:
:I like Tish and she has been responsible for some delicious and well
:deserved putdowns at Spencer's expense lately. Nevertheless, I can't help
:but give credit where credit is due to Spencer, too: the foregoing is
:really funny; mean, but really funny.

I have to disagree with you there, Grey. It's just another exposure
of The Hindest's usual view of any woman who will speak to him.
They're either "Bull Dyke" or "he". Toss in a remark about someone's
name and it makes it no less pathetic a set of remarks.

The much-overused word 'homophobe' really does seem to fit The Hindest
to a 'T'. He sounds like someone just waiting for some man in black
leather to come and dominate him. I suspect it comes from having had
a strong daddy and his own failure to ever measure up. Punishment is
love and he suffers from whatever the son/father version of Oedipus
Complex would be.

--
"So many women. So little charm."
-- Donna, to Josh; The West Wing

Gjest

Re: Odinel and Simon Comyn, sons of Richard Comyn (d. 1182)

Legg inn av Gjest » 19 aug 2006 21:01:03

Dear John and others,
Major Chronological goof. Hextilda was 12
before June 12, 1152 on which date Earl Henry of Huntingdon, King Designate of
the Scots died unexpectedly and so She was born not later than 1140, making
her 42 or more in 1182. This Estimate would be more valuable if We knew the
death date of her father Huchtred, son of Waltheof. I find it interesting that He
had possession of Huchtred`s various Tynedale manors which He granted to
Rivchard Comyn at the time of the marriage to Hextilda, especially as his maternal
grandfather was Earl Waltheof II of Huntingdon and Northumberland. While an
interesting coincidence of names, there is no connection known to me to either
the Earls of Dunbar nor the Scots royal house.
Sincerely,
James W
Cummings
Dixmont,
Maine USA

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 19 aug 2006 21:11:32

"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
:news:9fqee29q1pqc0glmqe70ltsdl5f85j2rmm@4ax.com...
:> "hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:
:>
:> :"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:> :
:> :> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
:> :> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
:> :
:> :She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
:> :here and that's the point. -the Troll
:>
:> Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
:> She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).
:
:I may "lean left" because I'm Canadian and a social democrat. But I sure as
:hell get along with people from both political Parties in the U.S., a
:country that seems so polarized politically. Having said that, I've been
:called everything from a Bush-lover to a communist.

No doubt. So have I. You have me categorized as 'extreme right' and
yet cannot or will not explain by what criteria you make that
judgment. It is that failure to justify your own opinions with
anything other than your own opinion that calls into question you
being "less partial and more objective" than anyone else.

As a Canadian, you are embedded in a political landscape that probably
makes it impossible for you to even see your own biases. This is why
you make some of the egregious statements that you do and then don't
understand why people are offended.

:I take all these assessments with a grain of salt.

Take it with as much salt as your ego requires. That doesn't change
the facts on the ground.

:If/when I move to the U.S., I don't know how I would vote. I don't see any
:good leadership material coming down the pike from either Party.

On that we can agree. When I'm saying that the best choice out there
is probably John McCain, you know there's not a lot of good choices
out there.

However, once the candidates are sorted out I bet I can predict how
you'll vote (and it'll almost certainly be for whoever the Democrat
is).

I can predict who I'll vote for, too. Gore and Democratic Party's
tactics in 2000 soured me enough on the Democratic Party that it'll
take someone pretty exceptional before I'd vote for one of them again.
I don't think the Democratic Party is capable of nominating such a
person anymore.

--
"It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point,
somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me....
I am the law."
-- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer

Grey Satterfield

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Grey Satterfield » 19 aug 2006 21:34:46

On 8/19/06 2:44 PM, in article 9fqee29q1pqc0glmqe70ltsdl5f85j2rmm@4ax.com,
"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:
:> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
:> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
:
:She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
:here and that's the point. -the Troll

Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).

Yes, she has definitely been poisoned by the Bush hatred disease. That is
why her presuming to be a "Referee" is wearing thin.

Grey Satterfield

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 19 aug 2006 21:40:50

"BlackBeard" <spk_gbv@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1156018782.032949.70070@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Fred J. McCall wrote:
"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:


:If/when I move to the U.S., I don't know how I would vote. I don't see
any
:good leadership material coming down the pike from either Party.

On that we can agree. When I'm saying that the best choice out there
is probably John McCain, you know there's not a lot of good choices
out there.


McCain and Lieberman in '08!

;)


(duck and cover)


Heh. It might happen. I actually like both of them. However, on the
Democrat side, my good friend John Teague of No. Carolina speaks highly of
John Edwards. Says he has done a lot for his constituency, including
servicepeople. I value John Teague's knowledge and opinion in a lot of
areas.

- nilita

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 19 aug 2006 21:44:36

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote:

:> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
:> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
:
:She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
:here and that's the point. -the Troll

Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).

Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
here. -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 19 aug 2006 21:46:17

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eeu1mf2gje6ea@corp.supernews.com...
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote:

:> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
:> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
:
:She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else
posting
:here and that's the point. -the Troll

Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).

Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
here. -the Troll

Hell, I'm one of the few wimmin who hasn't even slept with Clinton! ...%)

- nilita (nor would i want to)

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 19 aug 2006 21:46:39

"La N" wrote in message

I may "lean left" because I'm Canadian and a social democrat. But I sure
as hell get along with people from both political Parties in the U.S., a
country that seems so polarized politically. Having said that, I've been
called everything from a Bush-lover to a communist.

I take all these assessments with a grain of salt.

If/when I move to the U.S., I don't know how I would vote. I don't see
any good leadership material coming down the pike from either Party.

Atta gal, don't let anyone put you into a slot. -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 19 aug 2006 21:49:41

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eeu5hecqd9749@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

I may "lean left" because I'm Canadian and a social democrat. But I sure
as hell get along with people from both political Parties in the U.S., a
country that seems so polarized politically. Having said that, I've been
called everything from a Bush-lover to a communist.

I take all these assessments with a grain of salt.

If/when I move to the U.S., I don't know how I would vote. I don't see
any good leadership material coming down the pike from either Party.

Atta gal, don't let anyone put you into a slot. -the Troll

That's my hipster! You figgered out a long time ago I'm not slottable!
Maybe because I'm one of your few ex-girlfriends who didn't slit her wrist
after you dumped her! ***

- nilita
*** jes' kiddin' ...%)

Peter

Re: That Royal Connection

Legg inn av Peter » 19 aug 2006 21:55:31

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:43:54 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines"
<poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!

As I've been saying for years...

people have been saying for years that you are a sad old man, with not
even his memories to keep hilm company - are you incontinent yet? Who
is going to clean you up when you enter the final stages of dementia?
However, for millions of folks, PROVING it is another matter entirely.

Proof that you are one of the biggest arseholes on usenet isn't needed
- you demonstrate it every time you post.

--
Peter

D Spencer Hines est a deficio miles militis quod stultus

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 19 aug 2006 22:13:02

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12eeu1mf2gje6ea@corp.supernews.com...
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote:

:> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
:> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
:
:She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else
posting
:here and that's the point. -the Troll

Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).

Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
here. -the Troll


Hey, Hips. I just reviewed my overflowing killfile, and easily 90 per cent
of the denizens are of The Left! I never thought of doing a partisan
breakdown of my bit bucket, but there you are!

- nilita

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 19 aug 2006 23:16:18

"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:

:
:"BlackBeard" <spk_gbv@msn.com> wrote in message
:news:1156018782.032949.70070@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
:>
:> Fred J. McCall wrote:
:>> "La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>> :
:>> :If/when I move to the U.S., I don't know how I would vote. I don't see any
:>> :good leadership material coming down the pike from either Party.
:>>
:>> On that we can agree. When I'm saying that the best choice out there
:>> is probably John McCain, you know there's not a lot of good choices
:>> out there.
:>
:> McCain and Lieberman in '08!
:
:Heh. It might happen. I actually like both of them.

I'd rather see a McCain/Guilliani ticket. Lieberman's religious
convictions come across just a bit too strong for me to warm to him. I
don't like folks thinking with their religions. Guiliani is
apparently viewed by Republicans as more 'acceptable' than McCain
(although I'm at a loss to understand why, since most of their
positions seem pretty similar).

:However, on the
:Democrat side, my good friend John Teague of No. Carolina speaks highly of
:John Edwards. Says he has done a lot for his constituency, including
:servicepeople. I value John Teague's knowledge and opinion in a lot of
:areas.

I like Edwards a lot better than I like most of the Democratic
'hopefuls' and he presents himself well. I don't know if I like a lot
of his positions because there needs to be more detail as to just what
they are.

--
You are
What you do
When it counts.

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 19 aug 2006 23:17:58

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:
:> "hippo" wrote:
:
:> :> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
:> :> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
:> :
:> :She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
:> :here and that's the point. -the Troll
:>
:> Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
:> She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).
:
:Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
:sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
:here. -the Troll

True, but so what? As I said, she is less objective than many.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Grey Satterfield

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Grey Satterfield » 19 aug 2006 23:55:33

On 8/19/06 5:17 PM, in article 4g3fe254sue2c0rlsg266lakmbb2muti05@4ax.com,
"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:
:> "hippo" wrote:
:
:> :> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're seldom
:> :> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
:> :
:> :She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else posting
:> :here and that's the point. -the Troll
:
:> Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
:> She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).
:
:Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
:sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
:here. -the Troll

True, but so what? As I said, she is less objective than many.

But she PRETENDS to be objective and hippo, of all people, panders to that
nonsense. As noted earlier, her pretended objectivity is getting old.

Grey Satterfield

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 01:30:54

"Grey Satterfield" <gsatterfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:C10D0115.2F99B%gsatterfield@cox.net...
On 8/19/06 5:17 PM, in article 4g3fe254sue2c0rlsg266lakmbb2muti05@4ax.com,
"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:
:> "hippo" wrote:
:
:> :> And that's the problem with self-proclaimed referees - they're
seldom
:> :> as impartial as they're supposed to be.
:> :
:> :She's less partial and more objective than just about anyone else
posting
:> :here and that's the point. -the Troll
:
:> Except she's not. She leans left. She's less objective than many.
:> She just believes her own advertising (and apparently so do you).
:
:Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
:sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
:here. -the Troll

True, but so what? As I said, she is less objective than many.

But she PRETENDS to be objective and hippo, of all people, panders to that
nonsense. As noted earlier, her pretended objectivity is getting old.


I really hurt your feelings, didn't I, Grey.

btw, I didn't "pretend" to be objective. I'm here to learn. I expect more
quality - ergo more intelligent - discourse - from people I like, such as
you, Grey. Often I'm let down as such because it melts down into the "I
hate [the other side]" rhetoric. And, even if I'm not so "objective", why
don't you tell me where I'm wrong instead of insulting me and making snide
comments about me in the third person to others? What "nonsense" did I
pander to?

The "refereeing" was meant to be fun. But you guys take Usenet waaaaay too
seriously.

Oh well, my mama always said ... among friends you just don't argue politics
or religion ...%)

btw, Hippo has a much thicker hide than you do. And I have a pretty thick
skin too. Whatever you need to say to me you can say to me directly instead
of your ongoing snide remarks to others.

- nilita

Renia

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Renia » 20 aug 2006 01:37:02

That's below the belt. Eve's booklets have helped thousands of
genealogists. You, in particular, might find one of them VERY useful:
Simple Latin For Family Historians.

Renia

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
There she goes again!

McLaughlin does so LOVE to slip her cheap, commercial messages into every
post she makes.

McLaughlin ought to always come to the back door -- the tradesmen's
entrance -- whenever she appears for business.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society



miguel

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av miguel » 20 aug 2006 01:51:24

Renia wrote:
That's below the belt. Eve's booklets have helped thousands of
genealogists. You, in particular, might find one of them VERY useful:
Simple Latin For Family Historians.

Renia

He's a cowardly little prick, that one.

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
There she goes again!

McLaughlin does so LOVE to slip her cheap, commercial messages into
every post she makes.

McLaughlin ought to always come to the back door -- the tradesmen's
entrance -- whenever she appears for business.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bBMsoIAxTe5EFwhY@varneys.demon.co.uk...


Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society



hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 03:32:42

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Of course, I'm not impartial. I *always* give Hippo bonus points. And
he's a Republican Bush-admirer for gawdsakes! ...%)

Chuckle, see, you're perfect. :^) You also aren't afraid to call BS on a
BSer and you aren't stuck in the US political rut. -the Troll


Thank you, my sweet rubenesque hipster ....%)

Like Eskimo women, skinny hippos get no respect in my part of the world.
Tourists won't even take a picture of you and there is no chance of finding
a mate. -the Troll

Gjest

Re: The Comyns and the House of Galloway: a prior Connection

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 aug 2006 03:40:02

Dear James,

Unfortunately, while the theory you mentioned would neatly
provide the families with a common (if not Comyn) origin, the two
Waltheofs had two different careers and families; I've seen no
documentation that would point to any equation between the two.

I might also add, Allerdale can be found in Cumberland, while
Tynedale is well east of there in southern Northumberland. Not
that geography is the ultimate bar to genealogical connections...

Following is what I have at present re: Waltheof of Allerdale
and his immediate relations (does not show his half-siblings, such
as Uhtred of Raby and Gospatric of Dunbar). Should you note any
errors or have any further documentation, please advise.

Cheers,

John *



1 Gospatric of Northumbria
----------------------------------------
Death: 1075[1]
Occ: earl of Northumbria 1068 - 1072
Father: Maldred of Cumbria
Mother: Ealdgyth of Northumbria

Earl of March (Dunbar) 1072-1075

lord of Allerdale, Cumbs.

' When [Osulf] was dead, Gospatric, son of Maldred, Crinan's son, went to
king William and obtained the earldom of Northumbria, bought for much
money.
For the honour of that earldom pertained to him by his mother's right.
For his mother was Aldgitha, the daughter of earl Utred, who had her by
Elfgiva, daughter of king Ethelred.
This Aldgitha her father gave in marriage to Maldred, son of Crinan.
And [Gospatric] held the earldom until, for the reasons aforesaid,
the king took it from him. Therefore he fled to Malcolm, and not
long afterwards went by ship to Flanders. And when after some time
he returned to Scotland, the aforesaid king [Malcolm] granted to him
Dunbar, with the lands adjacent to it in Lothian, that by these he
should provide for himself and his men until happier times returned.
This Gospatric was the father of Dolfin, Waldeve and
Gospatric. ' [Symeon of Durham, Historia Regum, II:199 as given in
Anderson, p. 96[2]]

' Gospatrik ', gave writ declaring that Thorfynn mac Thore shall be
free in respect of all things that are Gospatric's in Allerdale,
Cumberland, and that the men dwelling with Thorfynn at Cardew and
Cumdivock shall be free, dated 1041 x 1064. MSS. Earl of Lonsdale,
Lowther Castle, muniment room (s. xiii; Liebermann 1903, facing
p. 280; Ragg 1917, facing p. 207; PN Cumb., iii, facing p. xxvi)[3]

re: his wife:
' she had a brother, Edmund or Eadmund, to whose lands her son
Gospatric obtained a right from King Henry I.' [ SP III:243[4]]

cf. Barlow, Edward the Confessor[5]
SP III:245 [Earls of Dunbar[4]]

Spouse: NN (1st or only wife) [6]

Children: Waltheof (Waldeve) (->1125)
Ethelreda, m. Duncan II, King of Scots

Others: NN (not married)


1.1a Waltheof (Waldeve) of Dunbar*
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 1125
Occ: lord of Allerdale

lord of Papcastle (Allerdale below Derwent), Cumberland

'In the reign of Henry I Waldeve held a small part
of Egremont from William le Meschin. This later
became the honour of Cockermouth' (Sanders, p. 134)[1]

cf. SP III:243-4[4]

Spouse: NN

Children: Gunnhild
Alan (->1139)
Uhtreda

Others: NN (not married)


1.1a.1 Gunnhild of Allerdale
----------------------------------------

cf. SP III:245[4]

Spouse: Uhtred, Lord of Galloway
Death: 22 Sep 1174, Galloway (murdered)[4]
Father: Fergus of Galloway (ca1096-1161)
Mother: NN

Children: Roland, Lord of Galloway (-1200)
Eve (-1217), m. 1) Walter de Berkeley,
2) Robert de Quincy
Dervorguilla, m. Laurence de Abernethy
Fergus (->1212)


1.1a.2 Alan of Allerdale
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 1139[1]

lord of Papcastle (Allerdale below Derwent), Cumberland

witness (together with his brother Gospatric) to a charter of King
David of Scots, 16 Aug 1139 [SP III:244, cites Raine's North
Durham, Ap. Nos. xix, xx[4]]

Papcastle was given after his death to cousin William fitz Duncan
(bef. 1154) -Sanders, p. 134[1]

cf. Bain II:15-17[6]


1.1a.3 Uhtreda of Allerdale
----------------------------------------

' Blennerhasset and Uckmanby. Was parcel of Allerdale, which
Alan fitz Waldeof gave unto Randulph de Lindsey with ye
sister of ye said Alan named Ochtreda in free marriage.'
[Linzee p. 248[7] ]

cf. SP III:245[4]

Spouse: Ranulf de Lindsay


1.1b Waltheof (Waldeve) of Dunbar* (See above)
----------------------------------------

Other: NN (not married) [6]

Children: Gospatric


1.1b.1 Gospatric of Dunbar
----------------------------------------

of Bolton, Bassenthwaite and Derwentwater, co. Cumbs.[4]

illegitimate son [Bain II:16[6]]

witness (together with his brother Alan) to a charter of King David
of Scots, 16 Aug 1139 [SP III:244, cites Raine's North Durham,
Ap. Nos. xix, xx[4]]

Children: Waldeve of Bolton and Bassenthwaite


1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and
Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. Alan O. Anderson, "Scottish Annals from English Chroniclers,
A.D. 500 to 1286," London: David Nutt, 1908.
3. "Anglo-Saxons.net," website by Sean Miller,
http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=g ... ter&id=744
charter of King Edgar, 966,
http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=g ... ter&id=811
charter of King Edgar to his grandmother Eadgifu, 959 x 963.
4. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh:
David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
5. Frank Barlow, "Edward the Confessor," University of California
Press, 1970, [English Monarchs Series], cites King Harald's Saga,
cap. 45-50, re: the career of Jarl Haakon Ivarsson.
6. Joseph Bain, ed., "Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland,"
Edinburgh: Her Majesty's General Register House, 1881 (Vol. I),
full title: Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland, Preserved
in Her Majesty's Public Record Office, London.
7. John William Linzee, "The Lindeseie and Limesi families of Great
Britain," Boston, Mass.: privately published, 1917, .pdf image
files provided by Genealogy.com http://www.genealogy.com.



* John P. Ravilious

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 03:40:07

"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Atta gal, don't let anyone put you into a slot. -the Troll

That's my hipster! You figgered out a long time ago I'm not slottable!
Maybe because I'm one of your few ex-girlfriends who didn't slit her wrist
after you dumped her! ***

I get along a lot better with you than any of them but one (who is now
conveniently happily married). -the Troll

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 03:42:16

"La N" wrote in message

Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
here. -the Troll

Hell, I'm one of the few wimmin who hasn't even slept with Clinton! ...%)

- nilita (nor would i want to)

You've good taste too. -the Troll

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 03:44:42

"La N" wrote in message

Hey, Hips. I just reviewed my overflowing killfile, and easily 90 per
cent of the denizens are of The Left! I never thought of doing a partisan
breakdown of my bit bucket, but there you are!

Why doesn't that surprise me? What do you think of your new PM? -the Troll

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 aug 2006 03:47:09

Hilarious!

"Hippo" has never even MET "La Nilita".

DSH

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12efisbffrde5c0@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Atta gal, don't let anyone put you into a slot. -the Troll

That's my hipster! You figgered out a long time ago I'm not slottable!
Maybe because I'm one of your few ex-girlfriends who didn't slit her
wrist after you dumped her! ***

I get along a lot better with you than any of them but one (who is now
conveniently happily married). -the Troll

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 03:48:36

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote:

[.]

:Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
:sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
:here. -the Troll

True, but so what? As I said, she is less objective than many.

Not from my discussions with her. I've seen her object to outrages posted by
lefties and pin their noses to the ground. The knee jerks won't do
that. -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 03:56:36

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12efisbffrde5c0@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote in message

Atta gal, don't let anyone put you into a slot. -the Troll

That's my hipster! You figgered out a long time ago I'm not slottable!
Maybe because I'm one of your few ex-girlfriends who didn't slit her
wrist after you dumped her! ***

I get along a lot better with you than any of them but one (who is now
conveniently happily married). -the Troll

Yuppers, Hips. I'm thinking of putting a killfile on everybody except
*you*. I tell ya, hipster ... *they* don't understand my work ...%)

- nilita

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 03:57:35

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12efj0bspj59j10@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
here. -the Troll

Hell, I'm one of the few wimmin who hasn't even slept with Clinton! ...%)

- nilita (nor would i want to)

You've good taste too. -the Troll

I *must*. I have enchanted by zaftig hippos! ... No charming smarmy playboy
politico type for *moi* ... %)

- nilita

hippo

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av hippo » 20 aug 2006 03:59:51

"La N" wrote in message

btw, I didn't "pretend" to be objective. I'm here to learn. I expect
more quality - ergo more intelligent - discourse - from people I like,
such as you, Grey. Often I'm let down as such because it melts down into
the "I hate [the other side]" rhetoric. And, even if I'm not so
"objective", why don't you tell me where I'm wrong instead of insulting me
and making snide comments about me in the third person to others? What
"nonsense" did I pander to?

The "refereeing" was meant to be fun. But you guys take Usenet waaaaay
too seriously.

Oh well, my mama always said ... among friends you just don't argue
politics or religion ...%)

btw, Hippo has a much thicker hide than you do. And I have a pretty thick
skin too. Whatever you need to say to me you can say to me directly
instead of your ongoing snide remarks to others.

They do take it too seriously. So do I at times. You are welcome to kick me
in the fanny when I do.

On one of the Irish groups, where things get nasty quickly, there was a
poster who would inject completely irrelevant cricket scores or some
personal experience right into the middle of a vicious sectarian squabble.
It was so incongruous it made posters on both sides smile and feel silly -
exactly what the doctor ordered. -the Troll

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 04:03:43

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12efjc7iokdorf2@corp.supernews.com...
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

"hippo" wrote:

[.]

:Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
:sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
:here. -the Troll

True, but so what? As I said, she is less objective than many.

Not from my discussions with her. I've seen her object to outrages posted
by lefties and pin their noses to the ground. The knee jerks won't do
that. -the Troll

I sure have. And I've given Canadians hell and even had at least one canuck
TOS'ed for pestering American military people in uma. I'm far from
perfect; and, yes, I have my biases. It's human nature. Mostly on Usenet
I like to learn and have fun ...

- nilita

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 04:06:12

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12efj4ticdj5i6a@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

Hey, Hips. I just reviewed my overflowing killfile, and easily 90 per
cent of the denizens are of The Left! I never thought of doing a
partisan breakdown of my bit bucket, but there you are!

Why doesn't that surprise me? What do you think of your new PM? -the Troll

ehhhh ..... well, he's trying hard. I think he makes decisions too quickly
without consultation with the electorate. He is in the bad books up here
for skipping the AIDS conference demonstrating to the thinking of some that
he is indifferent to the issue.. However, to his credit, he sent - I
believe -his Health Minister. In any case, I think pretty much all of our
politicos are crooks ... never met a Prime Minister that was the object of
*my* adoration ...%)

- nilita

La N

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 04:13:42

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote in message
news:12efk1btf1b41ef@corp.supernews.com...
"La N" wrote in message

btw, I didn't "pretend" to be objective. I'm here to learn. I expect
more quality - ergo more intelligent - discourse - from people I like,
such as you, Grey. Often I'm let down as such because it melts down into
the "I hate [the other side]" rhetoric. And, even if I'm not so
"objective", why don't you tell me where I'm wrong instead of insulting
me and making snide comments about me in the third person to others?
What "nonsense" did I pander to?

The "refereeing" was meant to be fun. But you guys take Usenet waaaaay
too seriously.

Oh well, my mama always said ... among friends you just don't argue
politics or religion ...%)

btw, Hippo has a much thicker hide than you do. And I have a pretty
thick skin too. Whatever you need to say to me you can say to me
directly instead of your ongoing snide remarks to others.

They do take it too seriously. So do I at times. You are welcome to kick
me in the fanny when I do.

I'll do that! I bet it would be like kicking a fluffy pillow! ... :) One
thing I do really feel sorry about is if I think I've hurt somebody's
feelings, or if somebody really feels hurt by what I said. Anger I can
take. Frustration. Disagreement. But, "hurt"? I feel like sh*t,
especially when it's somebody I like, for instance Grey.

I can't say it enough. TAKE WHAT I SAY WITH A GRAIN OF SALT! What I have
to say isn't all that important anyway! Geeze ....

On one of the Irish groups, where things get nasty quickly, there was a
poster who would inject completely irrelevant cricket scores or some
personal experience right into the middle of a vicious sectarian squabble.
It was so incongruous it made posters on both sides smile and feel silly -
exactly what the doctor ordered. -the Troll

I like that. And that's one of the reasons I enjoy off topic discussions in
the midst of an angry thread, such as the discussion that Black Beard of smn
and I were having about our respective transplants - his upcoming kidney
transplant, and my past bone marrow. I think sometimes we need to be
reminded as human beings that we are *more* than our differences ... that we
have shared experiences, etc. etc. Ohmygawd ... did I just about break into
Kumbaya??? I think I just about made myself sick ... gaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

- nilita

Vince

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Vince » 20 aug 2006 04:33:22

hippo wrote:
"La N" wrote in message

btw, I didn't "pretend" to be objective. I'm here to learn. I expect
more quality - ergo more intelligent - discourse - from people I like,
such as you, Grey. Often I'm let down as such because it melts down into
the "I hate [the other side]" rhetoric. And, even if I'm not so
"objective", why don't you tell me where I'm wrong instead of insulting me
and making snide comments about me in the third person to others? What
"nonsense" did I pander to?

The "refereeing" was meant to be fun. But you guys take Usenet waaaaay
too seriously.

Oh well, my mama always said ... among friends you just don't argue
politics or religion ...%)

btw, Hippo has a much thicker hide than you do. And I have a pretty thick
skin too. Whatever you need to say to me you can say to me directly
instead of your ongoing snide remarks to others.

They do take it too seriously. So do I at times. You are welcome to kick me
in the fanny when I do.

On one of the Irish groups, where things get nasty quickly, there was a
poster who would inject completely irrelevant cricket scores or some
personal experience right into the middle of a vicious sectarian squabble.
It was so incongruous it made posters on both sides smile and feel silly -
exactly what the doctor ordered. -the Troll



New Zealand beat Australia today in the Tri Nations rugby
won the cup
helluva game

Vince

..

Fred J. McCall

Re: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Fred J. McCall » 20 aug 2006 06:04:38

"hippo" <hippo@south-sudan.net> wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:
:> "hippo" wrote:
:
:[.]
:
:> :Leaning Left is better than having busts of Lenin on every shelf and
:> :sleeping with an empty pizza box autographed by Bill Clinton like some
:> :here. -the Troll
:>
:> True, but so what? As I said, she is less objective than many.
:
:Not from my discussions with her. I've seen her object to outrages posted by
:lefties and pin their noses to the ground. The knee jerks won't do
:that. -the Troll

Hippo, READ WHAT I SAID! Turn your hormones off, or whatever the
problem is. Did I says she was a "knee jerk" Lefty Loon? No, I did
not. I said she leans left and is less objective in her judgments
than many.

What is your (and her) problem with any intimation that she isn't
perfect?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Diana Gale Matthiesen

RE: Stockdill Tells Us He Is A Bastard

Legg inn av Diana Gale Matthiesen » 20 aug 2006 06:45:02

This reminds me of the party where everyone thought they were so enchanting,
until they saw the video the next day.

I don't know what ever gave me the idea that GEN-MEDIEVAL was an intellectually
rigorous list. I've no doubt it will be of no consequence to anyone if I
unsubscribe...

Diana

Gjest

Re: Odinel and Simon Comyn, sons of Richard Comyn (d. 1182)

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 aug 2006 08:01:02

In a message dated 8/19/06 11:57:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Jwc1870@aol.com
writes:

<< Major Chronological goof. Hextilda was 12
before June 12, 1152 on which date Earl Henry of Huntingdon, King Designate
of
the Scots died unexpectedly and so She was born not later than 1140, making
her 42 or more in 1182. >>

What's the source for this dating?
And this puts us back to requiring Richard Comyn to have a previous wife by
which he had to have at least his three eldes sons John, Odinel and Simon.

Will

Gjest

Re: Odinel and Simon Comyn, sons of Richard Comyn (d. 1182)

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 aug 2006 08:06:02

In a message dated 8/19/06 11:57:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Jwc1870@aol.com
writes:

<< Major Chronological goof. Hextilda was 12
before June 12, 1152 on which date Earl Henry of Huntingdon, King Designate
of
the Scots died unexpectedly and so She was born not later than 1140, making
her 42 or more in 1182. >>


Oops I spoke too soon.... You are saying she was born no later than 1140.
Actually I have shoehorned the lady into exactly 1130/1136 in order to fit all
the parameters mentioned so far.
Will

Eve McLaughlin

The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox & Prim

Legg inn av Eve McLaughlin » 20 aug 2006 15:55:11

I like Tish and she has been responsible for some delicious and well
deserved putdowns at Spencer's expense lately. Nevertheless, I can't help
but give credit where credit is due to Spencer, too: the foregoing is
really funny; mean, but really funny.

How is it funny?. Funny peculiar, perhaps, funny amusing, no. But then,
it appears that some Americans have very odd notions of what is amusing,
witness the abysmal exported shows. Crude abuse is about all little
Hines is capable of.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

La N

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av La N » 20 aug 2006 16:12:11

"Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ZtEwtkAPfH6EFwr+@varneys.demon.co.uk...
I like Tish and she has been responsible for some delicious and well
deserved putdowns at Spencer's expense lately. Nevertheless, I can't help
but give credit where credit is due to Spencer, too: the foregoing is
really funny; mean, but really funny.

How is it funny?. Funny peculiar, perhaps, funny amusing, no. But then,
it appears that some Americans have very odd notions of what is amusing,
witness the abysmal exported shows.

What??? You don't like Seinfeld reruns????!!!

- nilita

Eve McLaughlin

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av Eve McLaughlin » 20 aug 2006 16:25:35

How is it funny?. Funny peculiar, perhaps, funny amusing, no. But then,
it appears that some Americans have very odd notions of what is amusing,
witness the abysmal exported shows.

What??? You don't like Seinfeld reruns????!!!

No - I've tried, I've tried, but they seem so slow and clanking.

--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Grey Satterfield

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av Grey Satterfield » 20 aug 2006 16:27:37

On 8/20/06 9:55 AM, in article ZtEwtkAPfH6EFwr+@varneys.demon.co.uk, "Eve
McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote:

I like Tish and she has been responsible for some delicious and well
deserved putdowns at Spencer's expense lately. Nevertheless, I can't help
but give credit where credit is due to Spencer, too: the foregoing is
really funny; mean, but really funny.

How is it funny?. Funny peculiar, perhaps, funny amusing, no. But then,
it appears that some Americans have very odd notions of what is amusing,
witness the abysmal exported shows. Crude abuse is about all little
Hines is capable of.

I admit that I have an affinity for humor that is raunchy, and maybe a
little meanspirited. But if something I think is funny isn't funny to Eve,
it doesn't mean it's not funny. It merely proves that without differences
of opinion we wouldn't have horseracing. Besides, I know funny. :)

Grey Satterfield

miguel

Re: The Droit de Cuissage -- Jus Primae Noctis, Prima Nox &

Legg inn av miguel » 20 aug 2006 16:31:23

Grey Satterfield wrote:
On 8/20/06 9:55 AM, in article ZtEwtkAPfH6EFwr+@varneys.demon.co.uk, "Eve
McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote:

I like Tish and she has been responsible for some delicious and well
deserved putdowns at Spencer's expense lately. Nevertheless, I can't help
but give credit where credit is due to Spencer, too: the foregoing is
really funny; mean, but really funny.
How is it funny?. Funny peculiar, perhaps, funny amusing, no. But then,
it appears that some Americans have very odd notions of what is amusing,
witness the abysmal exported shows. Crude abuse is about all little
Hines is capable of.

I admit that I have an affinity for humor that is raunchy, and maybe a
little meanspirited. But if something I think is funny isn't funny to Eve,
it doesn't mean it's not funny. It merely proves that without differences
of opinion we wouldn't have horseracing. Besides, I know funny. :)

Is there anything you don't know?

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