Dear Leo,
Pierre Riche, in his The Carolingians (trans. Michael I.
Allen), provided some fleshing-out of Berengar II's career.
I can't find my copy at present ("Not on Shelf" as they say at
the LOC), but the 5 generation pedigree below provides what
details I have at present re: Berengar II's paternal ancestry
(to his grandfather Anscar anyway), and his grandchildren.
There is a bit more detail provided re: Berengar's
paternal family by Barbara H. Rosenwein, in her article
"Friends and Family, Politics and Privilege in the Kingship
of Berengar I". This is found in Samuel K. Cohn, Jr. and
Steven A. Epstein, eds., Portraits of Medieval and Renaissance
Living: Essays in Memory of David Herlihy [Ann Arbor: Univ.
of Michigan Press, 1996), pp. 91-106. You can view this
online at
http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... Lre_DJXU-M By the bye, through his grandchildren, Otto-William, Count
of Mâcon and Nevers (d. 1026), and Baldwin IV, Count of
Flanders (d. 1035), Berengar II's descendants are legion
indeed. You can throw William Farrar and a few others (I
think William Asfordby and prob. William Skepper as well)
into the mix re: emigrant descendants..... and a few
non-emigrant descendants as well.
Cheers,
John *
1 Anscar of Oscheret
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Death: ca 0898[1]
Occ: Margrave of Ivrea
count of Oscheret[1]
created markgraf of Ivrea
Children: Adalbert (-ca0925)
1.1a Adalbert of Ivrea*
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Death: ca 0925[1]
Occ: Margrave of Ivrea
Margrave of Ivrea
rebelled against Emperor Berengar (his father-in-law) with
support of Rudolf II of Upper Burgundy, before 924[2]
he m. 1stly Gisela of Friuli,
2ndly Ermengarde of Tuscany[1]
Spouse: Gisela of Friuli
Death: 13 Jun 0910[1]
Father: Berengar I, "Emperor of Italy" (-0924)
Mother: Bertila of Spoleto
Children: Berengar II (-0966)
Other Spouses Ermengarde of Tuscany
1.1a.1 Berengar II of Italy
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Death: 6 Jul 0966[1]
Occ: King of Italy
King of Italy
drove Hugh of Arles out of Italy, 945
crowned King of Italy at Pavia, 950; displaced by Otto I,
951[2]
Chronicon Salernitanum, ca. 950-1:
' Hoc tempestate Italie rex preerat Verengarius una cum filio
suo, Adeveltrus nomine. Sed cum multa sevicia erga populum
sibi subiectum ipse iam fatus rex nimirum adnecteret, atque
variis casibus [casibus] eos cruciaret, clam legacionem
Longobardi Romanique Octoni regi miserunt, quatenus veniret
et regnum Italie sub sua diccione optineret; erat siquidem
illo in tempore Saxonum Allemannorumque rex. Ut talia rex
Octo audisset, valde gavisus est, atque ut id fieret omnimodis
gratulabatur, et sine mora cum valido exercitu Italiam
properavit. At vero rex Langobardorum Adevertus [veni] cum
magno apparatu populusque nimis valde clusas venit, quatenus
cum Octone certamen iniret; feruntque plurimi, ut sexaginta
milia pugnatorum cum rege Adeveltro fuissent. Sed dum una die
unaque nox ibidem morarent, et Octoni exercitum ibidem non
apropiarent, non pauci comitibus Adeveltri regi
promserunt: " Volueramus, domne rex, ut Papiam cum paucis
pergas, et tuo genitori dicito, quatenus Bardorum regnum sub
vestra dicione commictant, quia nos minime sub illius
potestate iam amplius perduramus. Si vobis commictit regnum,
nos totis viribus pugnamus, sin autem, Italie regnum exteri
regi commictimus, quid seviciam illius sueque coniugi
omnimodis sustinere nequimus. " Sed dum talia (patri) matrique
que dictum ei fuerat intimasset, pater vero dictis eius
optemperavit, mator namque dictis eius nullo modo assensum
dedit. Quapropter ad clusas reversus est, et suis comitibus
omnia propalavit; at illi omnes exinde irati sunt, protinusque
illum reliquerunt, et unusquisque in suis urbibus reniearunt.
Octo rex namque sine impedimento Italiam introivit atque
Italie regnum optinuit, ipseque Verengarius in oppido, in quo
cum sua uxore fugierat, qui vocatur sancti Leoni, per vim
comprehendit, Galliamque vinctos illos direxit. Adelbertus
cum suis germanis paucisque suisque fidelibus fugam iniit,
atque in insulam Corsecam venit. '
[Chron. Salernitanum, 169[3]]
by agreement became viceroy of Italy (for Otto I), excluding
Aquileia and Verona[2]
Spouse: Willa of Arles
Death: aft 0963[1]
Father: Boso of Arles
Mother: Willa 'II' of Burgundy
Children: Adalbert (-0971)
Wido
Conrad (Kuno)
Gisela
Gerberga
Rosala (Susanna) (-1003)
1.1a.1.1 Adalbert of Italy
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Death: 30 Apr 0971
Occ: King of Italy 950-962
count of Aosta
Spouse: Gerberga of Mâcon
Death: aft 0985[1]
Father: Lambert of Chalons
Mother: Adelais
Children: Otto-William (-1026)
1.1a.1.1.1 Otto-William of the Franche-Comte
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Death: 21 Oct 1026[1]
Occ: Count of the Franche-Comte 1002-1016
Count of Mâcon and Nevers
acquired lands and title in Burgundy from stepfather[1],[4]
claimed the duchy of Burgundy on death of Duke Henry (his
father in law) 15 Oct 1002; supported by son in law Landre,
count of Mâcon, 1002/1003
reconciled with King Robert of France[4]
noted benefactor of Cluny [Riley-Smith p. 95[5]]
also called Otto, king of Lombardy
Spouse: Ermentrude de Roucy
Birth: 0958
Death: 5 Mar 1003[6]
Father: Raynald de Roucy (-~0972)
Mother: Alberada of Lorraine (-0973)
Marr: ca 0980[4]
Children: Agnes (ca0995-1068)
Mathilda (-1005)
Guy (-ca1004)
Raynald (-ca1057)
1.1a.1.2a Rosala (Susanna) of Ivrea*[1]
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Death: 1003[7]
she m. 1stly Baldwin of Flanders,
2ndly Robert of France (later King Robert II)[8]
Spouse: Arnulf II of Flanders
Birth: ca 0961[9]
Death: 0988[9],[10]
Father: Baldwin III of Flanders (ca0940-0962)
Mother: Matilda 'Billung' of Saxony (-1008)
Marr: 0976[9]
Children: Baldwin IV (0977-1035)
Matilda (-ca0995)
Other Spouses Robert II of France
1.1a.1.2a.1a Baldwin IV of Flanders*
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Birth: 0977[9]
Death: 30 May 1035[11],[7]
Occ: Count of Flanders 987-1035
Count of Flanders 987-1035
b. ca. 977; succeeded at ca. age 11[9]
cf. ES I Band I.2 Tafel 203 (Luxemburg)[11]
Spouse: Ogiva of Luxembourg
Death: 21 Feb 1036[7],[11]
Father: Frederick of Luxembourg (-1019)
Mother: Gerberga of Kinziggau (->0985)
Marr: ca 1012[11],[7]
Children: Baldwin V 'of Lille' (ca1013-1067)
Other Spouses Elena of Normandy
1.1a.1.2a.1b Baldwin IV of Flanders* (See above)
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Spouse: Elena of Normandy
Father: Richard II of Normandy (0978-1026)
Mother: Judith of Rennes (-1017)
Children: Judith (-1094), m. (2) Welf IV of Bavaria
1.1a.1.2b Rosala (Susanna) of Ivrea* (See above)
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Spouse: Robert II of France
Birth: 27 Mar 0972
Death: 20 Jul 1031
Father: Hugh 'Capet' of France (ca0941-0996)
Mother: Adela of Aquitaine (ca0950-1004)
1.1b Adalbert of Ivrea* (See above)
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Spouse: Ermengarde of Tuscany
Death: aft 29 Feb 0932[1]
Children: Anscar (-<0942)
Other Spouses Gisela of Friuli
1. Paul Theroff, "House of Burgundy-Ivrea," Paul Theroff's
Dynastic Genealogy Files, Brigitte Gastel Lloyd,
worldroots.clicktron.com/brigitte/theroff/.
2. Pierre Riche (trans. by Michael I. Allen), "The
Carolingians," Philadelphia: Univ. of Pennsylvania Press,
1993.
3. Luigi Andrea Berto, "Reti Medievali: Antologia di cronache
italiane altomedievali," provides texts from the Chronicon
Salernitanum, URL
http://www.storia.unive.it/_RM/didattic ... salern.htm4. W. Scott Jessee, "Robert the Burgundian and the Counts of
Anjou, ca. 1025-1098," Washington, D.C.: Catholic
University of America Press, 2000.
5. Jonathan Riley-Smith, "The First Crusaders, 1095-1131,"
Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1997 [3rd ed. 2002].
6. Christian Settipani, "Trente-Deux Quartiers Ahnenreihe for
Eleanor of Aquitaine," 6 Sept 1998,
GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, rootsweb.com (rsponse to
D.Spencer Hines, same subject, 2 Sept 1998.
7. Paul Theroff, "The Counts of Flanders and Hainault," Paul
Theroff's Dynastic Genealogy Files,
worldroots.clicktron.com/brigitte/theroff/
8. Constance Brittain Bouchard, "Eleanor's Divorce from Louis
VII: The Uses of Consanguinity," Bonnie Wheeler and John
Carmi Parsons, eds., "Eleanor of Aquitaine: Lord and Lady,"
New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2002, Chapter 10 (pp. 223 et
seq.).
9. David Nicholas, "Medieval Flanders," London: Longman Group,
1992.
10. Stewart Baldwin, "The Henry Project (Ancestors of Henry
II),"
http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/11. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Neue Folge,"
Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, 1999 [4th series],
Band I.2 - Premysliden, Askanier, Herzoge von Lothringen,
die Hauser Hessen, Wurttemberg und Zahringen, First series
by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series
by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.
* John P. Ravilious
"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
Dear James,
As I indicated, I am aware of his line to Charlemagne, but you could help me
with biographical details. Lately I have been working very hard on adding
biographical details. With the next update of my website I expect quite a
number of biographies to be added, many for medieval people. I think it is
great (I don't have them) to have genealogical details about ancestors in
the medieval times, but they become more interesting if biographical details
can be added. Especially as Berenger seems to have been rebellious or
ambitious, he should be an interesting ancestor to have.
Many thanks for your responce.
Leo
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jwc1870@aol.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Curious
Dear Leo,
Berenger II, King of Ivrea (ancestor in the male line of
the
Counts of Burgundy and Kings of Castile and Leon from Alfonso VII to
Enrique
IV) was the son of Adalbert, Margrave of Ivrea by his wife Gisela of
Friuli,
daughter of Emperor Berenger I by his wife Bertila of Spoleto, Emperor
Berenger
I was the son of Eberhard , Margrave of Friuli and Gisela of the Empire,
daughter of Louis I, Holy Roman emperor by his 2nd wife Judith of Altdorf,
Louis I
was a son of Charlemagne by his 3rd wife Hildegarde of Swabia.
(Source:The Peerage.com)
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA