Hi
I think I've set my mail up oddly on a new computer because it should be
"Andrew and Inge" not "Andrew Inge". I am Andrew Lancaster.
Henry the son of Warine definitely used the names de Lea and de Lancaster,
as did at least some of his brothers, and from him down at least his line is
quite well-known. His descendant of the same name was executed by Thomas de
Lancaster of the Plantagenets before he got executed himself. (Another de
Lancaster, John, this one being a member of the family of the Barons of
Kendal and therefore a distant relative of Henry, became the man responsible
for keeping and wrapping up the estate of said Thomas.)
Henry and Roger also had a brother Adam. See the webpage I made. The
Cockersand Chartulary which makes all this clear is on books.google.com and
covers your points d, e, and f.
Concerning a, b and c, well, I've not heard that anyone has had success yet.
I presume you realize that Ayloffe wrote some centuries ago. It is therefore
possible he saw records which no longer exist.
A similar story which I can't trace is the one passed on by Radcliffe
genealogists, also going back at least 100 years, that they descend from a
Nicholas who was a son of a Gilbert de Furnesio or Furnesco (of Furness).
(It is a lovely fact that almost every webpage has Frunesco, copied from
some original webpage without checking.)
Yours
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: paul bulkley [mailto:designeconomic@yahoo.com]
Sent: 14 September 2007 18:29
To:
gen-medieval-l@rootsweb.comSubject: Gilbert of Lancaster
Further reference to Ayloffe's Lancashire Note that
addresses the time when Lancaster Castle was made a
prison, and the Kendal Family responsible for its
operation.
Andrew Inge has made a significant comment that
information sources are not known. Perhaps not
currently acknowledged but possibly can be found
directly or indirectly in public records.
The Kendal time frame appears to be acceptable
relative to known records:
Ivo Talebois 1025/1095
Eldred 1045/
Ketel 1065/1125
Gilbert 1085/
William 1 1110/1171
Willima 11 1135/1184
The existence of Warin Lancaster and his two sons
Henry and Roger is recorded as witnesses to the
1189/94 Charter of Hugh Bussell to Richard (s) Ughtred
of N.Meols. It would appear that Warin would be of a
similar time frame to that of William 11. And surely
Warin's son Henry is the "Henricus de Lea" as
mentioned in the Lancashire Note.
It should be possible to find public records
supporting the following claims in the Lancashire
Note:
(a) Gilbert Baron of Kendal appointed Receiver for the
County of Lancaster.
(b) Gilbert being also known as Gilbert de Furnesso.
It would seem very likely because of the Kendal
interests in Furness and adjoining areas.
(c) William 1 as Baron of Lancaster being constituted
"Seneschallus Hospitii Regis", and obtaining the
consent of Parliament to call himself Gilbert of
Lancaster.
(d) Warin (younger brother of William 1) Keeper of the
Castle and Prison, and as "Magister Servius" with his
"Corrodium" therein.
(e) Warin's reward from the king of the Towns of
Aynoldsdale, Ravenmoles,(totally destroyed by the
sea), Leverpool, Lytherland, and Franch Lea.
(f) That Warin's son Henry inherited the above towns,
and was called "Henricus de Lea"
There should be no reason why you genealogical experts
cannot agree that the Lancashire Note is either a
Fairy Story or not.
Finally can someone who understands how to contact the
Web Master of Gen Medieval please advise him that I
have not received any messages from Gen Medieval for
the past two weeks.
Thank you
Paul Bulkley
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