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So, a relative of Cousin Diana...
With a bastard descent from Charles II.
DSH
How closely were you related to 'Cousin Diana'? How closely was the
late
Duke of Buccleuch related to Diana? How closely are you related to
that
family?
Probably even further away than are we Spencers, by the distance
between
Surrey & Hawaii, which must be as far away as one can be, thank
goodness.
Surreyman
Always been interested in where names came from. Looked up Spencer "In
a
castle a chamberlain was an important official. The surname Chambers
comes
from the same source, a man who looked after the king's or a noble's
private
chambers. The man who dispensed stores was a spencer. Other officials
were
the parker who looked after the game park and the warriner who looked
after
rabbit warrens. From him we get the surname Warner. The reeve was an
important official in a Medieval village. Bailey is a
corruption of bailiff, another important official
http://www.localhistories.org/surnames.html
Normandy
Yep, but the first de Spenser in the UK, I think, was also a 'steward'
in
the sense of being a right hand man of William I (but after the
Conquest).
A family with many consequent beheadings for treason, castle-buildings
and
banishments - they were an odd lot.
Our branch came down through whichever lot were Lords of the Manor of
Wimbledon, so I had the benefit of being 'Spencer of Spencer Hill' when
living in Wimbledon as a kid!!
And another lot (or maybe the same) were, coincidentally, Lords of the
Manor
from 1272 of my current home area. But these were largely absent LOMs
out
here, also including Edward the Confessor and the Beauforts.
However, it's all inevitably very convoluted and from whichever side of
the
blanket.
Something I must get into better when I retire properly!
Surreyman
The Falaise Roll records a d'spencer but the Caen table does not. Since
William sailed from Falaise I would think that more accurate. The
Churchills
claimed descent from the companion of William the Conqueror.by way of
d'Spencer down to Sir John Spencer who had flourished as a grazier in
Surry
on rented property. Sir John becmae a Lord of the Manor. Whilst the roll
at
Falaise does not capitalise d'spencer by the time Winston Leonard Spencer
Churchill was born the 's' had long been capitalised.
Spencer of Spencer Hill bit of all right
Yep, it's probably the Surrey lot we're down from, too.
I dug around a bit many years back now.
There's a de Spenser on the supposed Battle Abbey 'roll of honour' of the
knights that came over at Hastings. But apparently it's a load of xxxxxx!
The story seems to be that de Spenser came over too late, smashed the
original scroll, and created a new one including his name - which is now
also enshrined in all those pseudo-parchment lists you can buy at the Battle
bookshop!
Surreyman