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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Counting Descendants
"Amongst descendants" belong spouses, as otherwise there would be no next
generation. Apparently you have not grasped that fact. I wonder what Kuniko
thinks about this attitude that spouses "do not belong to a family".
Interesting attitude. De Jure Descendants (spouses) are an essential part
of any family." -- Leo van de Pas
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Leo just keeps wriggling and throwing out red herrings. Also, my wife has
no part in this discussion. He needs to leave her out of it.
1. That's not what Leo originally wrote -- "...belong to a family".
2. THIS is what he wrote:
"A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant family,
I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the descendants
of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert
Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy
against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
and many others." -- Leo van de Pas
3. ALL the others are allegedly DESCENDANTS of a STUYVESANT.
Kirk Douglas is NOT.
4. Leo doesn't even know what a DESCENDANT is in GENEALOGY!
Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
generation. Apparently you have not grasped that fact. I wonder what Kuniko
thinks about this attitude that spouses "do not belong to a family".
Interesting attitude. De Jure Descendants (spouses) are an essential part
of any family." -- Leo van de Pas
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Leo just keeps wriggling and throwing out red herrings. Also, my wife has
no part in this discussion. He needs to leave her out of it.
1. That's not what Leo originally wrote -- "...belong to a family".
2. THIS is what he wrote:
"A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant family,
I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the descendants
of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert
Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy
against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
and many others." -- Leo van de Pas
3. ALL the others are allegedly DESCENDANTS of a STUYVESANT.
Kirk Douglas is NOT.
4. Leo doesn't even know what a DESCENDANT is in GENEALOGY!
Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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William Black
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <none@none> wrote in message
news:13dcfo3rgr98c6f@corp.supernews.com...
Nice snip.
It's not chattel slavery, which is what we're talking about.
I do have to add that the bit about domestic servants in Saudi in the
article pointed to is nonsense. The Saudis no longer give visas to domestic
servants from South Asia or the Philippines to any non Saudi residents
except diplomats.
The 'bonded labourer' thing in India is a well known problem that the
government there is addressing with a system of low interest loans.
The numbers involved are dropping by literally millions every year.
As for sex slavery, I'm afraid that one needs to be addressed from the
other end. You have to stop it being a business worth money to the people
controlling the girls.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:13dcfo3rgr98c6f@corp.supernews.com...
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jOiBi.24541$mZ5.12300@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
So do almost all European nations
In absolute numbers there are more slaves today than at any time in
history.
Would you care to expand on that please?
Not really. It's self-explanatory and the info is readily available if you
look.
The last estimate I saw of total numbers worldwide was 27 million.
Here's a good article to start from - can't say the CSM is my favourite
mag but in this case they have done their homework IMO
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0901/p16s01-wogi.html
Nice snip.
It's not chattel slavery, which is what we're talking about.
I do have to add that the bit about domestic servants in Saudi in the
article pointed to is nonsense. The Saudis no longer give visas to domestic
servants from South Asia or the Philippines to any non Saudi residents
except diplomats.
The 'bonded labourer' thing in India is a well known problem that the
government there is addressing with a system of low interest loans.
The numbers involved are dropping by literally millions every year.
As for sex slavery, I'm afraid that one needs to be addressed from the
other end. You have to stop it being a business worth money to the people
controlling the girls.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: While England Slept
Good.
Thank you.
1. Edward VIII was right about the miners.
2. Well, the state papers in Mrs. Simpson's hands could be quite
problematic -- at the least -- and potentially disastrous.
3. The ministers were right about that and your concerns are equally
legitimate.
4. We also have this:
"Edward's affair with the American divorcée led to such grave concern that
the couple were followed by members of the Metropolitan police Special
Branch, to examine in secret the nature of their relationship. An undated
report detailed a visit by the couple to an antique shop, where the
proprietor later noted that: "the lady seemed to have POW [Prince of Wales]
completely under her thumb.""
"The prospect of having an American divorcée with a questionable past having
such sway over the Heir Apparent caused some anxiety to government and
establishment figures at the time."
5. And this:
"Edward proposed an alternative solution of a morganatic marriage, but this
too was rejected by the British Cabinet as well as other Dominion
governments. The Prime Ministers of Australia, Canada and South Africa made
clear their opposition to the King marrying a divorcée; the Irish Free State
expressed indifference and detachment and New Zealand, having never even
heard of Mrs. Simpson before, vacillated in disbelief."
"Faced with this opposition, Edward at first responded that there were "not
many people in Australia" and their opinion didn't matter."
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_of_the_United_Kingdom>
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
news:2YtBi.28302$4A1.18126@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Thank you.
1. Edward VIII was right about the miners.
2. Well, the state papers in Mrs. Simpson's hands could be quite
problematic -- at the least -- and potentially disastrous.
3. The ministers were right about that and your concerns are equally
legitimate.
4. We also have this:
"Edward's affair with the American divorcée led to such grave concern that
the couple were followed by members of the Metropolitan police Special
Branch, to examine in secret the nature of their relationship. An undated
report detailed a visit by the couple to an antique shop, where the
proprietor later noted that: "the lady seemed to have POW [Prince of Wales]
completely under her thumb.""
"The prospect of having an American divorcée with a questionable past having
such sway over the Heir Apparent caused some anxiety to government and
establishment figures at the time."
5. And this:
"Edward proposed an alternative solution of a morganatic marriage, but this
too was rejected by the British Cabinet as well as other Dominion
governments. The Prime Ministers of Australia, Canada and South Africa made
clear their opposition to the King marrying a divorcée; the Irish Free State
expressed indifference and detachment and New Zealand, having never even
heard of Mrs. Simpson before, vacillated in disbelief."
"Faced with this opposition, Edward at first responded that there were "not
many people in Australia" and their opinion didn't matter."
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_of_the_United_Kingdom>
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Peter Stewart" <p_m_stewart@msn.com> wrote in message
news:2YtBi.28302$4A1.18126@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
This was said by Edward VIII, not by George VI - the Wikipedia article on
Edward at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VIII_of_the_United_Kingdom
says:
"Edward caused unease in government circles with actions that were
interpreted as interference in political matters. On visiting the
depressed coal mining villages in South Wales the King's observation that
"something must be done" for the unemployed coal miners was seen as
directly critical of the Government, though it has never been clear
whether the King had anything in particular in mind. Government ministers
were also reluctant to send confidential documents and state papers to
Fort Belvedere because it was clear that Edward was paying little
attention to them and because of the perceived danger that Mrs. Simpson
and other house guests might see them".
This is maybe not deliberately ambiguous, but I like the idea that the
Government ministers thought Edward was paying too little attention to
themselves, and were afraid that Mrs Simpson or another house guest might
spy one of them and make off with him. You enver know, in those
circles....
Peter Stewart
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Counting Descendants
Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
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Hilarious!
A self-professed Genealogist, constantly working in the English language,
who doesn't even understand what a DESCENDANT is....
Further, Leo is flummoxed, farbissen and farblondjet -- so, he wriggles,
throws out red herring strawmen and tries to move the goal posts.
Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.
Enjoy!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
news:mailman.1518.1188458842.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
What apparently is obvious (and true) I never have scholarly
learned the English language, speaking or writing.
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Hilarious!
A self-professed Genealogist, constantly working in the English language,
who doesn't even understand what a DESCENDANT is....
Further, Leo is flummoxed, farbissen and farblondjet -- so, he wriggles,
throws out red herring strawmen and tries to move the goal posts.
Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.
Enjoy!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
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William Black
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:EelBi.38$YE3.252@eagle.america.net...
They didn't have a haircut specific to them.
The term 'Roundhead' relates to the London apprentice boys who madeup much
of the force that relieved Glouscester.
Apprentice boys wore their hair cropped short.
'Roundhead', like 'Cavalier' was, at the time, an insult.
I wear my hair long.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:EelBi.38$YE3.252@eagle.america.net...
Did you wear the New Model Army haircut?...
They didn't have a haircut specific to them.
The term 'Roundhead' relates to the London apprentice boys who madeup much
of the force that relieved Glouscester.
Apprentice boys wore their hair cropped short.
'Roundhead', like 'Cavalier' was, at the time, an insult.
Or a wig?
I wear my hair long.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
I wear my hair long.
Then you're obviously NOT a Roundhead.
Black The Red you should play either a Leveller or a Digger.
Which do you prefer?
DSH
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:EelBi.38$YE3.252@eagle.america.net...
Did you wear the New Model Army haircut?...
They didn't have a haircut specific to them.
The term 'Roundhead' relates to the London apprentice boys who madeup
much of the force that relieved Glouscester.
Apprentice boys wore their hair cropped short.
'Roundhead', like 'Cavalier' was, at the time, an insult.
Or a wig?
I wear my hair long.
--
William Black
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Adam Whyte-Settlar
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:77wBi.29237$ph7.6608@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
Really - I had no idea.
I don't recall even mentioning chattel slavery - whatever that is.
Tell that to the Philipinos who are regularly rescued from Saudi's by the
metropolitan police.
I don't suppose slaves go throught he proper diplomatic channels somehow.
The ones rescued in London rarely even have a passport.
Did the government tell you that?
Must be true.
Sure. Down to only about 20 million by now then - that's good eh?
Yes - simple isn't it - you just have to stop men wanting sex enough to pay
for it and Bob's your uncle.
With your knowledge and skills you should be at the UN.
news:77wBi.29237$ph7.6608@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <none@none> wrote in message
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"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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So do almost all European nations
In absolute numbers there are more slaves today than at any time in
history.
Would you care to expand on that please?
Not really. It's self-explanatory and the info is readily available if
you look.
The last estimate I saw of total numbers worldwide was 27 million.
Here's a good article to start from - can't say the CSM is my favourite
mag but in this case they have done their homework IMO
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0901/p16s01-wogi.html
Nice snip.
It's not chattel slavery, which is what we're talking about.
Really - I had no idea.
I don't recall even mentioning chattel slavery - whatever that is.
I do have to add that the bit about domestic servants in Saudi in the
article pointed to is nonsense. The Saudis no longer give visas to
domestic servants from South Asia or the Philippines to any non Saudi
residents except diplomats.
Tell that to the Philipinos who are regularly rescued from Saudi's by the
metropolitan police.
I don't suppose slaves go throught he proper diplomatic channels somehow.
The ones rescued in London rarely even have a passport.
The 'bonded labourer' thing in India is a well known problem that the
government there is addressing with a system of low interest loans.
Did the government tell you that?
Must be true.
The numbers involved are dropping by literally millions every year.
Sure. Down to only about 20 million by now then - that's good eh?
As for sex slavery, I'm afraid that one needs to be addressed from the
other end. You have to stop it being a business worth money to the people
controlling the girls.
Yes - simple isn't it - you just have to stop men wanting sex enough to pay
for it and Bob's your uncle.
With your knowledge and skills you should be at the UN.
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William Black
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <none@none> wrote in message
news:13dd75a6nrqug84@corp.supernews.com...
That you have no idea is not news.
Try reading the rest of the trhead.
Your ignorance isn't news either.
But do keep trying.
That's because they're there illegally.
Do you think the Saudi authorities care about their working conditions?
I don't suppose slaves go throught he proper diplomatic channels somehow.
Wrong.
The ones in London who are rescued invariably claim that their employers
keep their passports to control their employees.
Domestic servants and children can no longer travel another passport and
haven't been able to for well over a decade now.
Do try and keep up with the world.
No.
The Times of India.
Why do you doubt the word of an elected government?
Who says it's 20 million?
That well known fountain of truth, The Christian Science Monitor', talking
about an area where they're busy throwing Christian missionaries out of the
state and passing laws about religious conversions because busy-body
American Christian evangelists are causing trouble.
You have an alternative way of stopping prostitution?
Prosecuting the girls has never worked in millennia.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:13dd75a6nrqug84@corp.supernews.com...
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:77wBi.29237$ph7.6608@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
It's not chattel slavery, which is what we're talking about.
Really - I had no idea.
That you have no idea is not news.
Try reading the rest of the trhead.
I don't recall even mentioning chattel slavery - whatever that is.
Your ignorance isn't news either.
But do keep trying.
I do have to add that the bit about domestic servants in Saudi in the
article pointed to is nonsense. The Saudis no longer give visas to
domestic servants from South Asia or the Philippines to any non Saudi
residents except diplomats.
Tell that to the Philipinos who are regularly rescued from Saudi's by the
metropolitan police.
That's because they're there illegally.
Do you think the Saudi authorities care about their working conditions?
I don't suppose slaves go throught he proper diplomatic channels somehow.
The ones rescued in London rarely even have a passport.
Wrong.
The ones in London who are rescued invariably claim that their employers
keep their passports to control their employees.
Domestic servants and children can no longer travel another passport and
haven't been able to for well over a decade now.
Do try and keep up with the world.
The 'bonded labourer' thing in India is a well known problem that the
government there is addressing with a system of low interest loans.
Did the government tell you that?
No.
The Times of India.
Must be true.
Why do you doubt the word of an elected government?
The numbers involved are dropping by literally millions every year.
Sure. Down to only about 20 million by now then - that's good eh?
Who says it's 20 million?
That well known fountain of truth, The Christian Science Monitor', talking
about an area where they're busy throwing Christian missionaries out of the
state and passing laws about religious conversions because busy-body
American Christian evangelists are causing trouble.
As for sex slavery, I'm afraid that one needs to be addressed from the
other end. You have to stop it being a business worth money to the
people controlling the girls.
Yes - simple isn't it - you just have to stop men wanting sex enough to
pay for it and Bob's your uncle.
You have an alternative way of stopping prostitution?
Prosecuting the girls has never worked in millennia.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
John Briggs
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
The Levellers were dangerous radicals (Liberals, you would call them...) -
they believed all adults should have the vote. Except, of course, for women
and servants...
--
John Briggs
I wear my hair long.
Then you're obviously NOT a Roundhead.
Black The Red you should play either a Leveller or a Digger.
Which do you prefer?
The Levellers were dangerous radicals (Liberals, you would call them...) -
they believed all adults should have the vote. Except, of course, for women
and servants...
--
John Briggs
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William Black
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:zvwBi.65$YE3.221@eagle.america.net...
So.
As deeply ignorant as ever.
Hair length was not an issue for anyone but apprentice boys.
Everyone wore their hair long, which is why 'Roundhead' was an insult.
Not a Digger.
They're doomed.
Depends on what version of 'The Agreement of the People' you're reading for
Levellers.
Remember, as Beresford said, most of what we know about these people comes
from their enemies.
But I've no objection to regular elections or universal manhood sufferage or
freedom of religion (except for Catholics).
Of course their most contrversial idea was that no-one could be elected to
consecutive parliaments, so no professional politicians.
The major point you're missing is that re-enactment is a performance.
People (or someone sponsoring an event) pays for a show.
It's not real, it's an entertainment.
And these days I'm far too old to play the part of a soldier anyway.
This weekend I was teaching fencing with rapier and dagger.
Sometimes I'm a jeweller, but doing that in a field is not terribly easy or
authentic.
And yes, I have clothes suitable for both roles...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:zvwBi.65$YE3.221@eagle.america.net...
I wear my hair long.
Then you're obviously NOT a Roundhead.
So.
As deeply ignorant as ever.
Hair length was not an issue for anyone but apprentice boys.
Everyone wore their hair long, which is why 'Roundhead' was an insult.
Black The Red you should play either a Leveller or a Digger.
Which do you prefer?
Not a Digger.
They're doomed.
Depends on what version of 'The Agreement of the People' you're reading for
Levellers.
Remember, as Beresford said, most of what we know about these people comes
from their enemies.
But I've no objection to regular elections or universal manhood sufferage or
freedom of religion (except for Catholics).
Of course their most contrversial idea was that no-one could be elected to
consecutive parliaments, so no professional politicians.
The major point you're missing is that re-enactment is a performance.
People (or someone sponsoring an event) pays for a show.
It's not real, it's an entertainment.
And these days I'm far too old to play the part of a soldier anyway.
This weekend I was teaching fencing with rapier and dagger.
Sometimes I'm a jeweller, but doing that in a field is not terribly easy or
authentic.
And yes, I have clothes suitable for both roles...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
William Black
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:0qyBi.29256$ph7.25620@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
And Catholics
Remember that 'servants' included everyone who was employed by someone else.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:0qyBi.29256$ph7.25620@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
I wear my hair long.
Then you're obviously NOT a Roundhead.
Black The Red you should play either a Leveller or a Digger.
Which do you prefer?
The Levellers were dangerous radicals (Liberals, you would call them...) -
they believed all adults should have the vote. Except, of course, for
women and servants...
And Catholics
Remember that 'servants' included everyone who was employed by someone else.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
Gjest
Re: Jews, Goys & Alcohol
What a patently ridiculous way to do a "study", or even to phrase an article.
The mathematical errors are so large you could drive a train through them.
"Regular drinking is reported by 23% of Jews" while "First admissions (
1929-31) per 100,000 of "alcoholic psychotics" in New York state hospitals: Irish,
25.6; Scandinavian, 7.8; Italian, 4.8; English, 4.3; German, 3.8; Jewish,
0.5."
Let's assume for the sake of arguing to third-graders that "New York"
represents a typical population and that the "23% of Jews" just meant in the US, as
opposed to the oblique and unstated "a member of a group who has membership
IN the US, but doesn't themselves live in the US"
At any rate, not to get obtuse. PERCENTAGES CANNOT BE COMPARED ACROSS
GROUPS.
I hope I said that loud enough. If 5% of pregnant women are Japanese that
does mean that 5% of people in Omaha are Japanese. And if only 0.1% of people
in Omaha are Japanese that does not mean we say "Gosh where are all the
pregnant women going!!!! Godzilla is eating them!"
If this article is correctly quoted someone needs to send that reporter back
to Statistics 101.
To this particular issue, can we make a mathematical model that allows both
of these statements to be simultaneously true:
A) 23% of Jewish people drink and
B) 0.5% of 100,000 New Yorkers are both Alcoholic psychotics and Jewish?
Yes we can in fact.
If we arbitrarily declare the population of New York to be in 1930, 1
million people and then state that of that million, 20,000 were Jewish then we've
met (approximately) our goal. Two percent of the New York population, per our
numbers were Jewish, of whom 23% of *them* drank so 0.5% of the total New
York population.
Not only have we met our goal, but we've created miraculously the *fact*
that ... get ready .. here it comes... every Jew who drinks is an Alcoholic
Psychotic !!
Alert the press!
Will Johnson
"Please God only let well-trained people use statistics"
************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at
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The mathematical errors are so large you could drive a train through them.
"Regular drinking is reported by 23% of Jews" while "First admissions (
1929-31) per 100,000 of "alcoholic psychotics" in New York state hospitals: Irish,
25.6; Scandinavian, 7.8; Italian, 4.8; English, 4.3; German, 3.8; Jewish,
0.5."
Let's assume for the sake of arguing to third-graders that "New York"
represents a typical population and that the "23% of Jews" just meant in the US, as
opposed to the oblique and unstated "a member of a group who has membership
IN the US, but doesn't themselves live in the US"
At any rate, not to get obtuse. PERCENTAGES CANNOT BE COMPARED ACROSS
GROUPS.
I hope I said that loud enough. If 5% of pregnant women are Japanese that
does mean that 5% of people in Omaha are Japanese. And if only 0.1% of people
in Omaha are Japanese that does not mean we say "Gosh where are all the
pregnant women going!!!! Godzilla is eating them!"
If this article is correctly quoted someone needs to send that reporter back
to Statistics 101.
To this particular issue, can we make a mathematical model that allows both
of these statements to be simultaneously true:
A) 23% of Jewish people drink and
B) 0.5% of 100,000 New Yorkers are both Alcoholic psychotics and Jewish?
Yes we can in fact.
If we arbitrarily declare the population of New York to be in 1930, 1
million people and then state that of that million, 20,000 were Jewish then we've
met (approximately) our goal. Two percent of the New York population, per our
numbers were Jewish, of whom 23% of *them* drank so 0.5% of the total New
York population.
Not only have we met our goal, but we've created miraculously the *fact*
that ... get ready .. here it comes... every Jew who drinks is an Alcoholic
Psychotic !!
Alert the press!
Will Johnson
"Please God only let well-trained people use statistics"
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Gjest
Re: Jews, Goys & Alcohol
In a message dated 8/30/2007 8:14:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
WJhonson@aol.com writes:
I hope I said that loud enough. If 5% of pregnant women are Japanese that
does mean that 5% of people in Omaha are Japanese. And if only 0.1% of
people
in Omaha are Japanese that does not mean we say "Gosh where are all the
pregnant women going!!!! Godzilla is eating them!"
------------
Recte: "does not mean" for "does mean" above.
Hope that didn't trip anyone.
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WJhonson@aol.com writes:
I hope I said that loud enough. If 5% of pregnant women are Japanese that
does mean that 5% of people in Omaha are Japanese. And if only 0.1% of
people
in Omaha are Japanese that does not mean we say "Gosh where are all the
pregnant women going!!!! Godzilla is eating them!"
------------
Recte: "does not mean" for "does mean" above.
Hope that didn't trip anyone.
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
Unreconstructed hippies?
Chaplin has a job -- Black The Red doesn't.
DSH
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Chaplin has a job -- Black The Red doesn't.
DSH
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I wear my hair long.
It's nice to have the option. Wish I still could.
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Adam Whyte-Settlar
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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You might be surprised to discover that unlike some I have a life outwith
these newsgroups which precludes me from reading every single post. I
generally cherry-pick which posts to read, concentrating on those from
posters whom I know to be entertaining or informative. I need hardly add
that you do not fall within either of those catagories.
Consequently I replied directly to the first post in a new 'sub-thread'
posted by 'a spencer3' with a "full stop, new
paragraph, new statement" comment noting a little known fact: to whit that;
"In absolute numbers there are more slaves today than at any time in
history". To the best of my knowledge that is true and my manner of posting
was perfectly in order with 'netiquette' - unlike your barging in and
grabbing the wrong end of the stick.
I do not need you to inform me that the Indian government has been giving
lip service to their stated policy of reducing bonded labour within their
boundaries. At the present rate of reduction (285,379 between 1976 and 2004)
it would take 100 to 200 years (depending on whose estimates you choose to
believe) to eradicate the problem, even if there were zero new cases per
year arising. The fact is that the level of bonded labour in India is
*increasing* - or at least it was until 2006 which is the latest year for
which I have seen the figures.
Here are a few new sources for you seeing as, despite my suggestion, you
obviously didn't bother to research any further than the introductory page I
posted to get you started.
You will find, in addition to extracts from past and present reports
concerning India, several references as to how members of the Gulf States
continue to illegally traffic Philipino slaves despite the fact that (shock
horror) said Philipino slaves don't actually have valid visas!
LAWS ROUTINELY FLOUTED
The practice of child debt servitude has been illegal in India since 1933,
when the Children (Pledging of Labour) Act was enacted under British rule.
Since independence, a plethora of additional protective legislation has been
put in place. There are distinct laws governing child labor in factories, in
commercial establishments, on plantations, and in apprenticeships. There are
laws governing the use of migrant labor and contract labor. A relatively
recent law-the Child Labour (Prohibition and Regulation) Act of
1986-designates a child as "a person who has not completed their fourteenth
year of age." It purports to regulate the hours and conditions of some child
workers and to prohibit the use of child labor in certain enumerated
hazardous industries. (There is no blanket prohibition on the use of child
labor, nor any universal minimum age set for child workers.)
Most important of all, for children in servitude, is the Bonded Labour
System (Abolition) Act, 1976 which strictly outlaws all forms of debt
bondage and forced labor. These extensive legal safeguards mean little,
however, without the political will to implement them. In India, this will
is sorely lacking.
All of the labor laws are routinely flouted, and with virtually no risk of
punishment to the offender. Whether due to corruption or indifference-and
both are much in evidence-these laws are simply not enforced. In those rare
cases where offenders are prosecuted, sentences are limited to negligible
fines.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1996/India3.htm
NO EFFORTS TO INVESTIGATE
Despite India's huge bonded labor problem, there were no substantial efforts
this year [2006] to investigate, prosecute, or convict those who exploit
bonded labor. Nor did the Indian government take significant measures to
prosecute or punish government officials involved in trafficking-related
corruption, though it arrested three government officers complicit in
trafficking. The government should increase prosecutions and punishments for
trafficking offenses, including bonded labor, forced child labor, deceptive
recruitment of Indians trafficked abroad, and sex trafficking.
http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/India-2.htm
LESS THAN 5,000 PROSECUTIONS IN 30 YEARS.
At the release of the ILO report 'Global Alliance Against Forced Labor'
earlier this month (May 2005), he said: "Forced labor represents the
underside of globalization and denies people their basic rights and
dignity."
The report identifies bonded labor, or debt bondage - where people are
trapped in forced labor to pay off a loan from an employer or landlord - as
the main form of forced labor in India. Although sector-specific surveys are
not available, estimates suggest that a bulk of this labor is in
agriculture, rice-mills, domestic service, brick kilns, fields and
sericulture.
And this brings us to a fundamental question: what is forced labor? Article
2(1) of the ILO's Forced Labor Convention 1930 defines forced labor as "all
work or service which is exacted from any person under the menace of any
penalty and for which the said person has not offered himself voluntarily".
The report says that India was the first country to acknowledge the problem
of bonded labor. Under the Bonded Labor System (Abolition) Act of 1976, the
Indian government reported 4,859 prosecutions until August 2004 - probably a
figure that no other country can match. However, conviction figures on these
prosecutions are not available. Even the number of prosecutions does not
seem as impressive when compared to the actual number of bonded laborers in
the country. The government traced 285,379 instances of bonded labor as of
March 31, 2004. Of these, 265, 417 persons received rehabilitation
assistance. The remaining (nearly 20,000) could not be traced or had died.
http://www.boloji.com/wfs3/wfs397.htm
HUMAN TRAFFICKING ON THE RISE
.......Sad as Quezo's case may be, it is an increasingly common one in the
Philippines, which international advocacy groups say has in recent years
become a major source of cheap illegal labor in Asia.
Human trafficking has also become the dirty secret of economic expansion,
with many criminal organizations preying on unsuspecting rural families who
send their young children off on false promises of money and prosperity.....
.......Bruce Reed, the International Organization of Migration's (IOM)
regional representative in Southeast Asia, said human trafficking has become
a major policy challenge for governments in Asia.
.......In the Philippines, while there are no figures, internal trafficking
has become a "lucrative underground economy," the Visayan Forum said.
"The demand for human commodities in brothels, sweatshops and even in
households is evident," it said in a recent study.
The study said Manila remains a major exit point of trafficking to other
countries as well, although the porous southern border in the Zamboanga
peninsula is also widely used as a jump-off point for *undocumented
Filipinos* heading for nearby countries.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=84977
UP TO 65 MILLION IN BONDED LABOUR
The statistics problem is as acute in the bonded labor context as it is in
the child labor context. According to credible estimates, the number of
bonded laborers in India is approximately sixty-five million, representing
slightly more than 7 percent of the country's total population.
Certain individual states alone are estimated to have bonded labor
populations of one to two million people; a report from Tamil Nadu, based on
extensive research conducted at the direction ofthe Supreme Court, concluded
that there were "well over 10 lakhs" (one million) bonded laborers working
in that state.
Other states known to have high rates of bondage include Andhra Pradesh,
Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh,
Haryana, and Bihar.
The failure of state governments to comply with their legal obligations
under the Bonded Labour System (Abolition) Act-particularly the formation
and adequate functioning of the district-level vigilance committees-is one
of the primary reasons behind the low enforcement rate of the law and the
continuing high prevalence of bonded labor. (Indeed, by some accounts,
bonded labor is actually increasing.
Another contributing factor, mentioned previously in the context of child
labor policy, is the failure of the government to gather and maintain
accurate or even plausible statistics.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1996/India3.htm
MIGRANT DOMESTIC WORKERS
In Africa, Asia, Europe and the United States, the enslaving of migrant
domestic workers affects both young girls and grown women from the world's
poor. They work within their national borders or travel abroad to richer
nations. They enter this work with the expectation that their and their
family's lives will be materially better than if they stayed at home and
found work locally.
In many countries, such as in the Gulf States, they are excluded from labour
laws altogether because they are regarded as members of the household rather
than as independent workers.
In Britain most migrant domestics come from Sri Lanka, India, and Nigeria.
But the largest number come from the Philippines, usually brought in by
temporary residents.
The experience of Alice illustrates how many are tricked into debt bondage.
Recruited from Manila for work in Kuwait, Alice was eventually taken by her
employers to work for them in London.
Her day began at 5:30am and only ended once all of the adults had gone to
bed, which was regularly after 2am. She had no time off, not even to go to
church or to write letters home.
After two and a half years in Kuwait Alice was taken to London. Following an
attack in which her employer tried to rape her she fled. It was the first
time she had been out of the house.
With no money or passport it is difficult for such women to escape. They are
kept isolated from people beyond the household and are frequently locked
indoors. Even if they do escape, many do not have money and are unfamiliar
with the area. Furthermore, they have no papers because the employer keeps
their passports.
http://www.ifwea.org/journal/1200/campa ... abour.html
Please take the trouble to read the full reports.
Very informative.
As I said when I posted it - it isn't my favourite source but it was for
your benefit by way of a starting point for you to get even some basic
information - something you are evidently in dire need of.
I've just wasted my entire tea-break doing the research you should have been
doing - I shan't bother you again.
A W-S
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It's not chattel slavery, which is what we're talking about.
Really - I had no idea.
That you have no idea is not news.
Try reading the rest of the trhead.
You might be surprised to discover that unlike some I have a life outwith
these newsgroups which precludes me from reading every single post. I
generally cherry-pick which posts to read, concentrating on those from
posters whom I know to be entertaining or informative. I need hardly add
that you do not fall within either of those catagories.
Consequently I replied directly to the first post in a new 'sub-thread'
posted by 'a spencer3' with a "full stop, new
paragraph, new statement" comment noting a little known fact: to whit that;
"In absolute numbers there are more slaves today than at any time in
history". To the best of my knowledge that is true and my manner of posting
was perfectly in order with 'netiquette' - unlike your barging in and
grabbing the wrong end of the stick.
I do not need you to inform me that the Indian government has been giving
lip service to their stated policy of reducing bonded labour within their
boundaries. At the present rate of reduction (285,379 between 1976 and 2004)
it would take 100 to 200 years (depending on whose estimates you choose to
believe) to eradicate the problem, even if there were zero new cases per
year arising. The fact is that the level of bonded labour in India is
*increasing* - or at least it was until 2006 which is the latest year for
which I have seen the figures.
Here are a few new sources for you seeing as, despite my suggestion, you
obviously didn't bother to research any further than the introductory page I
posted to get you started.
You will find, in addition to extracts from past and present reports
concerning India, several references as to how members of the Gulf States
continue to illegally traffic Philipino slaves despite the fact that (shock
horror) said Philipino slaves don't actually have valid visas!
LAWS ROUTINELY FLOUTED
The practice of child debt servitude has been illegal in India since 1933,
when the Children (Pledging of Labour) Act was enacted under British rule.
Since independence, a plethora of additional protective legislation has been
put in place. There are distinct laws governing child labor in factories, in
commercial establishments, on plantations, and in apprenticeships. There are
laws governing the use of migrant labor and contract labor. A relatively
recent law-the Child Labour (Prohibition and Regulation) Act of
1986-designates a child as "a person who has not completed their fourteenth
year of age." It purports to regulate the hours and conditions of some child
workers and to prohibit the use of child labor in certain enumerated
hazardous industries. (There is no blanket prohibition on the use of child
labor, nor any universal minimum age set for child workers.)
Most important of all, for children in servitude, is the Bonded Labour
System (Abolition) Act, 1976 which strictly outlaws all forms of debt
bondage and forced labor. These extensive legal safeguards mean little,
however, without the political will to implement them. In India, this will
is sorely lacking.
All of the labor laws are routinely flouted, and with virtually no risk of
punishment to the offender. Whether due to corruption or indifference-and
both are much in evidence-these laws are simply not enforced. In those rare
cases where offenders are prosecuted, sentences are limited to negligible
fines.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1996/India3.htm
NO EFFORTS TO INVESTIGATE
Despite India's huge bonded labor problem, there were no substantial efforts
this year [2006] to investigate, prosecute, or convict those who exploit
bonded labor. Nor did the Indian government take significant measures to
prosecute or punish government officials involved in trafficking-related
corruption, though it arrested three government officers complicit in
trafficking. The government should increase prosecutions and punishments for
trafficking offenses, including bonded labor, forced child labor, deceptive
recruitment of Indians trafficked abroad, and sex trafficking.
http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/India-2.htm
LESS THAN 5,000 PROSECUTIONS IN 30 YEARS.
At the release of the ILO report 'Global Alliance Against Forced Labor'
earlier this month (May 2005), he said: "Forced labor represents the
underside of globalization and denies people their basic rights and
dignity."
The report identifies bonded labor, or debt bondage - where people are
trapped in forced labor to pay off a loan from an employer or landlord - as
the main form of forced labor in India. Although sector-specific surveys are
not available, estimates suggest that a bulk of this labor is in
agriculture, rice-mills, domestic service, brick kilns, fields and
sericulture.
And this brings us to a fundamental question: what is forced labor? Article
2(1) of the ILO's Forced Labor Convention 1930 defines forced labor as "all
work or service which is exacted from any person under the menace of any
penalty and for which the said person has not offered himself voluntarily".
The report says that India was the first country to acknowledge the problem
of bonded labor. Under the Bonded Labor System (Abolition) Act of 1976, the
Indian government reported 4,859 prosecutions until August 2004 - probably a
figure that no other country can match. However, conviction figures on these
prosecutions are not available. Even the number of prosecutions does not
seem as impressive when compared to the actual number of bonded laborers in
the country. The government traced 285,379 instances of bonded labor as of
March 31, 2004. Of these, 265, 417 persons received rehabilitation
assistance. The remaining (nearly 20,000) could not be traced or had died.
http://www.boloji.com/wfs3/wfs397.htm
HUMAN TRAFFICKING ON THE RISE
.......Sad as Quezo's case may be, it is an increasingly common one in the
Philippines, which international advocacy groups say has in recent years
become a major source of cheap illegal labor in Asia.
Human trafficking has also become the dirty secret of economic expansion,
with many criminal organizations preying on unsuspecting rural families who
send their young children off on false promises of money and prosperity.....
.......Bruce Reed, the International Organization of Migration's (IOM)
regional representative in Southeast Asia, said human trafficking has become
a major policy challenge for governments in Asia.
.......In the Philippines, while there are no figures, internal trafficking
has become a "lucrative underground economy," the Visayan Forum said.
"The demand for human commodities in brothels, sweatshops and even in
households is evident," it said in a recent study.
The study said Manila remains a major exit point of trafficking to other
countries as well, although the porous southern border in the Zamboanga
peninsula is also widely used as a jump-off point for *undocumented
Filipinos* heading for nearby countries.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=84977
UP TO 65 MILLION IN BONDED LABOUR
The statistics problem is as acute in the bonded labor context as it is in
the child labor context. According to credible estimates, the number of
bonded laborers in India is approximately sixty-five million, representing
slightly more than 7 percent of the country's total population.
Certain individual states alone are estimated to have bonded labor
populations of one to two million people; a report from Tamil Nadu, based on
extensive research conducted at the direction ofthe Supreme Court, concluded
that there were "well over 10 lakhs" (one million) bonded laborers working
in that state.
Other states known to have high rates of bondage include Andhra Pradesh,
Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh,
Haryana, and Bihar.
The failure of state governments to comply with their legal obligations
under the Bonded Labour System (Abolition) Act-particularly the formation
and adequate functioning of the district-level vigilance committees-is one
of the primary reasons behind the low enforcement rate of the law and the
continuing high prevalence of bonded labor. (Indeed, by some accounts,
bonded labor is actually increasing.
Another contributing factor, mentioned previously in the context of child
labor policy, is the failure of the government to gather and maintain
accurate or even plausible statistics.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1996/India3.htm
MIGRANT DOMESTIC WORKERS
In Africa, Asia, Europe and the United States, the enslaving of migrant
domestic workers affects both young girls and grown women from the world's
poor. They work within their national borders or travel abroad to richer
nations. They enter this work with the expectation that their and their
family's lives will be materially better than if they stayed at home and
found work locally.
In many countries, such as in the Gulf States, they are excluded from labour
laws altogether because they are regarded as members of the household rather
than as independent workers.
In Britain most migrant domestics come from Sri Lanka, India, and Nigeria.
But the largest number come from the Philippines, usually brought in by
temporary residents.
The experience of Alice illustrates how many are tricked into debt bondage.
Recruited from Manila for work in Kuwait, Alice was eventually taken by her
employers to work for them in London.
Her day began at 5:30am and only ended once all of the adults had gone to
bed, which was regularly after 2am. She had no time off, not even to go to
church or to write letters home.
After two and a half years in Kuwait Alice was taken to London. Following an
attack in which her employer tried to rape her she fled. It was the first
time she had been out of the house.
With no money or passport it is difficult for such women to escape. They are
kept isolated from people beyond the household and are frequently locked
indoors. Even if they do escape, many do not have money and are unfamiliar
with the area. Furthermore, they have no papers because the employer keeps
their passports.
http://www.ifwea.org/journal/1200/campa ... abour.html
Please take the trouble to read the full reports.
Very informative.
That well known fountain of truth, The Christian Science Monitor',
talking about an area where they're busy throwing Christian missionaries
out of the state and passing laws about religious conversions because
busy-body American Christian evangelists are causing trouble.
As I said when I posted it - it isn't my favourite source but it was for
your benefit by way of a starting point for you to get even some basic
information - something you are evidently in dire need of.
I've just wasted my entire tea-break doing the research you should have been
doing - I shan't bother you again.
A W-S
-
Kay Allen
Re: Christopher and Elizabeth (Goring) Sanders/ Saunders of
Probably. The Sanders/Saunders list has people
interested in this surnname in this same area.
I believe that Christopher Saunders ancestry has been
published in the Register.
Kay Allen AG
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
interested in this surnname in this same area.
I believe that Christopher Saunders ancestry has been
published in the Register.
Kay Allen AG
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
The 1663 Staffordshire Visitation makes a couple
mentions of one
Christopher Sanders, living at that time in Windsor
in New England:
http://books.google.com/books?id=wmg4AA ... #PPA154,M1
http://books.google.com/books?id=wmg4AA ... #PPA261,M1
These details seem to match up with an entry in
Savage's _Genealogical
Dictionary_ for a gentleman of this name living
first at Windsor and
later at Rehoboth:
SAUNDERS, sometimes SANDERS, CHRISTOPHER, Windsor
1671, came short
time bef. as seems prob. had Daniel, wh. d. 22 Dec.
1675, at 11 days
old; Susanna, b. 20 Nov. 1676; Daniel, again 27 Oct.
1678; and
Elizabeth 30 Apr. 1681; and it may be he was
unsuccess. in trade, and
rem. to Rehoboth, for one of this name was there
1690. DANIEL,
Cambridge, d. 27 Feb. 1640, and no more is kn. of
him. EDWARD,
Portsmouth 1639, may be the man punish. at
Watertown, 1654, for abuse
of Ruth Parsons. See Col. Rec. III. 364. GEORGE,
Windsor, br. of
Christopher, propound. for freem. 1667, when he was
ens. at
Killingworth, m. bef. 1675, Mary, d. of George
Saxton, had George,
perhaps by former w. old eno. at least to be tax.
with his f. 1675;
and d. 16 Nov. 1690, leav. Mary, then 13 yrs. old,
and Abiah, a. 6.
GEORGE, Windsor, br. of Christopher, acc. Stiles,
770, rem. to
Simsbury, m. 17 Dec. 1691, Abigail, perhaps d. of
Nathaniel Bissell,
wh. Stiles prints Russell, had, he says, Hannah, b.
23 May previous,
and he d. 5 Dec. 1697. Very much confusion a. this
name exists, and it
may not be wholly dissipat. by reducing two Georges
to one.
The one at Rehoboth was called "Mr. Christopher
Sanders" in a list of
inhabitants there ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=hyjMIY ... 2+rehoboth
Are there descendants of Christopher Sanders?
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Re: Counting Descendants
On Aug 30, 2:24 am, Volucris <voluc...@kpnplanet.nl> wrote:
Little was I aware, when I first commented on DSH a few weeks ago, of
Hines' checkered 'history' in this (and the soc.history.medieval)
newsgroup. A cursory perusal of the archives reveals an appalling
quantity of threads in which he is the subject of less than flattering
discussions. And I had thought what I was saying was new, or would
have some effect. I am abashed at my blatant display of naivete.
Christopher Ingham
Anyone who keeps insisting on a more correct descripton (or finding
faults in other one's) should firstly be beyond reproach himself. I
can't say that you are even near this category. Go change the world
and start with yourself, you're just nitpicking.
Little was I aware, when I first commented on DSH a few weeks ago, of
Hines' checkered 'history' in this (and the soc.history.medieval)
newsgroup. A cursory perusal of the archives reveals an appalling
quantity of threads in which he is the subject of less than flattering
discussions. And I had thought what I was saying was new, or would
have some effect. I am abashed at my blatant display of naivete.
Christopher Ingham
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
Black The Red, the wannabe Leveller, but certainly NOT a Genuine, Certified
[and Certifiable] Roundhead, has screwed the pooch again -- always fun to
watch, especially as he "wears his hair long" and it's often difficult to
tell the difference between Black and the pooch -- where one leaves off and
the other begins.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
---------------------------------------------
Roundhead
The Roundheads was the nickname given to the supporters of Parliament during
the English Civil War. Their enemies, the Royalist supporters of King
Charles I, were nicknamed the Cavaliers.
Some of the Puritans, but by no means all, wore their hair closely cropped
round the head, and there was thus an obvious contrast between them and the
men of courtly fashion with their long ringlets.
During the war and for a time afterwards Roundhead was a term of derision -
in the New Model Army it was a punishable offence to call a fellow soldier a
Roundhead. The name remained in use to describe those with republican
tendencies until after the Glorious Revolution of 1688.
Roundhead appears to have been first used as a term of derision, towards the
end of 1641 when the debates in Parliament on the Bishops Exclusion Bill
were causing riots at Westminster. One authority says of the crowd which
gathered there: "They had the hair of their heads very few of them longer
than their ears, whereupon it came to pass that those who usually with their
cries attended at Westminster were by a nickname called Roundheads."
John Rushworth (Historical Collections) is more precise. According to him
the word was first used on 27 December 1641 by a disbanded officer named
David Hide, who during a riot is reported to have drawn his sword and said
he would "cut the throat of those round-headed dogs that bawled against
bishops."
The principal advisor to Charles II, the Earl of Clarendon (History of the
Rebellion, volume IV. page 121) remarks on the matter: "and from those
contestations the two terms of 'Roundhead' and 'Cavalier' grew to be
received in discourse, . . . they who were looked upon as servants to the
king being then called 'Cavaliers,' and the other of the rabble contemned
and despised under the name of 'Roundheads.'"
Richard Baxter ascribes the origin of the term to a remark made by Queen
Henrietta Maria at the trial of the Earl of Strafford; referring to John
Pym, she asked who the roundheaded man was.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundhead>
[and Certifiable] Roundhead, has screwed the pooch again -- always fun to
watch, especially as he "wears his hair long" and it's often difficult to
tell the difference between Black and the pooch -- where one leaves off and
the other begins.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
---------------------------------------------
Roundhead
The Roundheads was the nickname given to the supporters of Parliament during
the English Civil War. Their enemies, the Royalist supporters of King
Charles I, were nicknamed the Cavaliers.
Some of the Puritans, but by no means all, wore their hair closely cropped
round the head, and there was thus an obvious contrast between them and the
men of courtly fashion with their long ringlets.
During the war and for a time afterwards Roundhead was a term of derision -
in the New Model Army it was a punishable offence to call a fellow soldier a
Roundhead. The name remained in use to describe those with republican
tendencies until after the Glorious Revolution of 1688.
Roundhead appears to have been first used as a term of derision, towards the
end of 1641 when the debates in Parliament on the Bishops Exclusion Bill
were causing riots at Westminster. One authority says of the crowd which
gathered there: "They had the hair of their heads very few of them longer
than their ears, whereupon it came to pass that those who usually with their
cries attended at Westminster were by a nickname called Roundheads."
John Rushworth (Historical Collections) is more precise. According to him
the word was first used on 27 December 1641 by a disbanded officer named
David Hide, who during a riot is reported to have drawn his sword and said
he would "cut the throat of those round-headed dogs that bawled against
bishops."
The principal advisor to Charles II, the Earl of Clarendon (History of the
Rebellion, volume IV. page 121) remarks on the matter: "and from those
contestations the two terms of 'Roundhead' and 'Cavalier' grew to be
received in discourse, . . . they who were looked upon as servants to the
king being then called 'Cavaliers,' and the other of the rabble contemned
and despised under the name of 'Roundheads.'"
Richard Baxter ascribes the origin of the term to a remark made by Queen
Henrietta Maria at the trial of the Earl of Strafford; referring to John
Pym, she asked who the roundheaded man was.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundhead>
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Counting Descendants
Hilarious!
Pogue Ingham gradually begins to twig -- as light slowly dawns in the
bat-guano-filled belfry of his bollixed noodle.
DSH
"Christopher Ingham" <christopheringham@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Pogue Ingham gradually begins to twig -- as light slowly dawns in the
bat-guano-filled belfry of his bollixed noodle.
DSH
"Christopher Ingham" <christopheringham@comcast.net> wrote in message
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And I had thought what I was saying was new, or would have
some effect. I am abashed at my blatant display of naivete.
Christopher Ingham
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Volucris
Re: Counting Descendants
Join the club Christopher. In 2001 I was as possitive minded towards
anyone on the newsgroup as you. Checking the archives enlightened me
quickly. Since then DSH has become worse. He is a bit like those two
grumpy old men Statler and Waldorf in the Muppet show. Only they are
still funny in their comments. DSH nowadays is just tedious.
Hans Vogels
On 30 aug, 19:44, Christopher Ingham <christophering...@comcast.net>
wrote:
anyone on the newsgroup as you. Checking the archives enlightened me
quickly. Since then DSH has become worse. He is a bit like those two
grumpy old men Statler and Waldorf in the Muppet show. Only they are
still funny in their comments. DSH nowadays is just tedious.
Hans Vogels
On 30 aug, 19:44, Christopher Ingham <christophering...@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Aug 30, 2:24 am, Volucris <voluc...@kpnplanet.nl> wrote:
Anyone who keeps insisting on a more correct descripton (or finding
faults in other one's) should firstly be beyond reproach himself. I
can't say that you are even near this category. Go change the world
and start with yourself, you're just nitpicking.
Little was I aware, when I first commented on DSH a few weeks ago, of
Hines' checkered 'history' in this (and the soc.history.medieval)
newsgroup. A cursory perusal of the archives reveals an appalling
quantity of threads in which he is the subject of less than flattering
discussions. And I had thought what I was saying was new, or would
have some effect. I am abashed at my blatant display of naivete.
Christopher Ingham
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Kay Allen
Re: Christopher and Elizabeth (Goring) Sanders/ Saunders of
The lack of mention of Elizabeth Goring doesn't really
mean a great deal because I have never seen her
mentioned in the literature and documentatio to which
I have been privy, and that too doesn't mean anything,
but that this is not a generally known fact. From what
source does your knowledge of Elizabeth Goring as the
wife of Christopher Saunders come?
I doubt that DR knows more than we do as he wrote
about similar Saunders descents, but did not write
about this one. So I will stake my claim to this
discovery right now.
It is known that Christopher had a son Henry born in
Reehoboth.
Kay Allen AG
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
mean a great deal because I have never seen her
mentioned in the literature and documentatio to which
I have been privy, and that too doesn't mean anything,
but that this is not a generally known fact. From what
source does your knowledge of Elizabeth Goring as the
wife of Christopher Saunders come?
I doubt that DR knows more than we do as he wrote
about similar Saunders descents, but did not write
about this one. So I will stake my claim to this
discovery right now.
It is known that Christopher had a son Henry born in
Reehoboth.
Kay Allen AG
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
Probably. The Sanders/Saunders list has people
interested in this surnname in this same area.
I believe that Christopher Saunders ancestry has
been
published in the Register.
Kay Allen AG
Hmm, possibly ... but I wonder [since I don't see
any entries for
Elizabeth (Goring) Sanders in WorldConnect].
Maybe Doug R. could give us his impressions if he's
reading this ...
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Kay Allen
Re: Christopher and Elizabeth (Goring) Sanders/ Saunders of
I still see nothing that specifically states that
Christopher married an Elizabeth Goring.
Your Staffordshire visitation mentions Christopher and
it shows that Thomas Saunders married an Elizabeth
Goring. There is no evidence that Christopher married
Elizabeth Goring
So would you please put up or shut up.
Thank you very much in advance.
Kay Allen AG
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
Christopher married an Elizabeth Goring.
Your Staffordshire visitation mentions Christopher and
it shows that Thomas Saunders married an Elizabeth
Goring. There is no evidence that Christopher married
Elizabeth Goring
So would you please put up or shut up.
Thank you very much in advance.
Kay Allen AG
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
Here is a Lovet Sanders in New England in the early
1700s ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=hv6mN5 ... #PPA247,M1
Elizabeth Goring, wife of Christopher Sanders, was a
sister of Lovet
or Lovett Goring.
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Kay Allen
Re: Christopher and Elizabeth (Goring) Sanders/ Saunders of
Gee, and I thought that I was being the epitome of
civility and good manners. Or are you just sensitive

I hadn't been able to open that link. But I will try
again.
If the Visitation is dated 1663, then there should
have been children born in England, if Christopher
didn't arrive in New England until about 1670/71.
Could it be possible that Elizabeth Goring died and
that Christopher remarried another Elizabeth?
Best wishes,
Kay Allen AG
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
civility and good manners. Or are you just sensitive
I hadn't been able to open that link. But I will try
again.
If the Visitation is dated 1663, then there should
have been children born in England, if Christopher
didn't arrive in New England until about 1670/71.
Could it be possible that Elizabeth Goring died and
that Christopher remarried another Elizabeth?
Best wishes,
Kay Allen AG
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
So would you please put up or shut up.
Kay, now don't get testy.
Click the first Google link I provided in the first
posting (which is
p. 154 of the Staffs. Visitation). A contemporary
note down at the
bottom of the page states:
"The children of William [Goring]:--
Elizabeth, wife of Chr. Sanders, a Merchant in New
England ..."
I think Nat was implying that the identity of this
wife of Christopher
Sanders may be a *new* fact. Are Christopher and
Elizabeth Sanders
your ancestors, Kay?
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Kay Allen
Re: Christopher and Elizabeth (Goring) Sanders/ Saunders of
It might be presumed that Eliabeth was a Goring, but
the baptismal record doesn't give her maiden name.
Circumstantial evidence, yes,
with the given name of Lovett, who would have been her
cousin, not brother.
Her putative father was William, son of John. This
William was fifteen at the visitation, thus born,say,
1648. If he was twenty, in 1668, and Elizabeth had
been born that year, she would have been 8 at Daniel's
birth.
The notice by Gregory King is not clear as to which
William was father of this Elizabeth.
It would be nice if a will could be found that
mentions Elizabeth and her children.
Kay Allen AG
K
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
the baptismal record doesn't give her maiden name.
Circumstantial evidence, yes,
with the given name of Lovett, who would have been her
cousin, not brother.
Her putative father was William, son of John. This
William was fifteen at the visitation, thus born,say,
1648. If he was twenty, in 1668, and Elizabeth had
been born that year, she would have been 8 at Daniel's
birth.
The notice by Gregory King is not clear as to which
William was father of this Elizabeth.
It would be nice if a will could be found that
mentions Elizabeth and her children.
Kay Allen AG
K
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
Extracted IGI shows ...
Bristol, Rhode Island
--Lovett Sanders, son of Christian [sic] and
Elizbeth, bapt. 7 March
1683
--Elizabeth Sanders, dau. of Christian [sic] and
Elizabeth, bapt. 13
October 1684
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
Hilarious!
Black the Red WANTS us to think of him as a Bold Entrepreneur, who by his
own talents and wits, managed to retire at 51 ALL on his OWN CAPITAL.
The TRUTH is that if he had to pay for all his medical care in a True Free
Market System he would be bankrupted.
Pogue Black sucks at the Public Teat, the Great Dream of any raggedy-arsed,
long-haired, filthy little Socialist...
Make No Doubt About It.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
Sholem Aleichem
Veni, Vidi, Calcitavi Asinum
Black the Red WANTS us to think of him as a Bold Entrepreneur, who by his
own talents and wits, managed to retire at 51 ALL on his OWN CAPITAL.
The TRUTH is that if he had to pay for all his medical care in a True Free
Market System he would be bankrupted.
Pogue Black sucks at the Public Teat, the Great Dream of any raggedy-arsed,
long-haired, filthy little Socialist...
Make No Doubt About It.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult
Sholem Aleichem
Veni, Vidi, Calcitavi Asinum
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William Black
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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Well seeing as I'm still paying a National Insurance contribution I have a
legitimate call on the National Health Service.
Now, tell me exactly which country operates a true free market system.
Because the USA certainly doesn't.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:XNFBi.90$YE3.436@eagle.america.net...
Hilarious!
Black the Red WANTS us to think of him as a Bold Entrepreneur, who by his
own talents and wits, managed to retire at 51 ALL on his OWN CAPITAL.
The TRUTH is that if he had to pay for all his medical care in a True Free
Market System he would be bankrupted.
Well seeing as I'm still paying a National Insurance contribution I have a
legitimate call on the National Health Service.
Now, tell me exactly which country operates a true free market system.
Because the USA certainly doesn't.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
Robert Peffers.
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <none@none> wrote in message
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Did not Gordon Brown, today, tell the Prison Warders that they could not,
legally, withdraw their labour?
That's slavery in my book.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
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"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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So do almost all European nations
In absolute numbers there are more slaves today than at any time in
history.
Would you care to expand on that please?
Not really. It's self-explanatory and the info is readily available if
you look.
The last estimate I saw of total numbers worldwide was 27 million.
Here's a good article to start from - can't say the CSM is my favourite
mag but in this case they have done their homework IMO
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0901/p16s01-wogi.html
Nice snip.
It's not chattel slavery, which is what we're talking about.
Really - I had no idea.
I don't recall even mentioning chattel slavery - whatever that is.
I do have to add that the bit about domestic servants in Saudi in the
article pointed to is nonsense. The Saudis no longer give visas to
domestic servants from South Asia or the Philippines to any non Saudi
residents except diplomats.
Tell that to the Philipinos who are regularly rescued from Saudi's by the
metropolitan police.
I don't suppose slaves go throught he proper diplomatic channels somehow.
The ones rescued in London rarely even have a passport.
The 'bonded labourer' thing in India is a well known problem that the
government there is addressing with a system of low interest loans.
Did the government tell you that?
Must be true.
The numbers involved are dropping by literally millions every year.
Sure. Down to only about 20 million by now then - that's good eh?
As for sex slavery, I'm afraid that one needs to be addressed from the
other end. You have to stop it being a business worth money to the
people controlling the girls.
Yes - simple isn't it - you just have to stop men wanting sex enough to
pay for it and Bob's your uncle.
With your knowledge and skills you should be at the UN.
Slaves?
Did not Gordon Brown, today, tell the Prison Warders that they could not,
legally, withdraw their labour?
That's slavery in my book.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
There's a real Dyed-In-The Wool Red Scot Socialist.
DSH
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DSH
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Slaves?
Did not Gordon Brown, today, tell the Prison Warders that they could not,
legally, withdraw their labour?
That's slavery in my book.
--
Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
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William Black
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"Robert Peffers." <peffers@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Nope.
They negotiated a 'no strike' agreement, voted to accept it, and were well
compensated for the loss of their right to withdraw their labour.
Anyone joining the Prison Service after that date will have had to sign to
say that they accepted their conditions of employment.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:P9WdnYY2X7jts0rbnZ2dnUVZ8ternZ2d@bt.com...
Slaves?
Did not Gordon Brown, today, tell the Prison Warders that they could not,
legally, withdraw their labour?
That's slavery in my book.
Nope.
They negotiated a 'no strike' agreement, voted to accept it, and were well
compensated for the loss of their right to withdraw their labour.
Anyone joining the Prison Service after that date will have had to sign to
say that they accepted their conditions of employment.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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Kay Allen
Re: Christopher and Elizabeth (Goring) Sanders/ Saunders of
As I posted earlier, Gregory King's note is not clear
as to the relationship of Elizabeth to the other
Gorings If "brother" Lovet was born about 1647, then
this Elizabeth could be old enough to be Christopher's
wife.
Another thing that bothers me that if Elizabeth was
the mother of Daniel etal born in 1676 and the note
was written after 1681, why didn't it mention that she
had issue?
You may very well be correct, but I would like more
evidence. And I do thank you for putting up
K
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
as to the relationship of Elizabeth to the other
Gorings If "brother" Lovet was born about 1647, then
this Elizabeth could be old enough to be Christopher's
wife.
Another thing that bothers me that if Elizabeth was
the mother of Daniel etal born in 1676 and the note
was written after 1681, why didn't it mention that she
had issue?
You may very well be correct, but I would like more
evidence. And I do thank you for putting up
K
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
Could it be possible that Elizabeth Goring died
and
that Christopher remarried another Elizabeth?
I wouldn't think so if they had a son "Lovett
Sanders" born in Rhode
Island in 1683. Lovett is a very unusual name, and
was shared by a
brother of this Elizabeth Goring (it was their
mother's maiden name).
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Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
William Black wrote:
can they not resign?
Vince
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Slaves?
Did not Gordon Brown, today, tell the Prison Warders that they could not,
legally, withdraw their labour?
That's slavery in my book.
Nope.
They negotiated a 'no strike' agreement, voted to accept it, and were well
compensated for the loss of their right to withdraw their labour.
Anyone joining the Prison Service after that date will have had to sign to
say that they accepted their conditions of employment.
can they not resign?
Vince
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Kay Allen
Re: Christopher and Elizabeth (Goring) Sanders/ Saunders of
Yes, it would be logical if Lovett Goring gave it to
his nephew and namesake. But we still don't know that
she was the mother of the Windsor children.
You get Goring and I get Saunders
I do not think
I am descended
from Christopher (which would be nice). My Robert was
born about 1680 and may be connected to the Duxbury
Sanders, about whom I still have much to research. I
researched all the Saunders/Sanders in the general
area, otherwise.
K
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
his nephew and namesake. But we still don't know that
she was the mother of the Windsor children.
You get Goring and I get Saunders
I am descended
from Christopher (which would be nice). My Robert was
born about 1680 and may be connected to the Duxbury
Sanders, about whom I still have much to research. I
researched all the Saunders/Sanders in the general
area, otherwise.
K
--- John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
I wouldn't think so if they had a son "Lovett
Sanders" born in Rhode
Island in 1683. Lovett is a very unusual name,
and was shared by a
brother of this Elizabeth Goring (it was their
mother's maiden name).
Here are the names "Lovett Goring, Esq." and "Lovett
Sanders" side-by-
side in a book --
http://books.google.com/books?id=WJE0AA ... tt+sanders
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Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
In message <DLKdnddD3cVFq0rbnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@comcast.com>, Vince
<firelaw@firelaw.us> writes
How could you stop them?
--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides
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<firelaw@firelaw.us> writes
William Black wrote:
They negotiated a 'no strike' agreement, voted to accept it, and
were well compensated for the loss of their right to withdraw their
labour.
Anyone joining the Prison Service after that date will have had to
sign to say that they accepted their conditions of employment.
can they not resign?
How could you stop them?
--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides
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WJhonson
Re: Christopher and Elizabeth (Goring) Sanders/ Saunders of
<<In a message dated 08/30/07 11:45:31 Pacific Standard Time, starbuck95@hotmail.com writes:
Bristol, Rhode Island
--Lovett Sanders, son of Christian [sic] and Elizbeth, bapt. 7 March
1683
--Elizabeth Sanders, dau. of Christian [sic] and Elizabeth, bapt. 13
October 1684 >>
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The source cited there is
Vital record of Rhode Island, 1636-1850 : a family register for the people Arnold, James N. (James Newell) , 1844-1927
Will Johnson
Bristol, Rhode Island
--Lovett Sanders, son of Christian [sic] and Elizbeth, bapt. 7 March
1683
--Elizabeth Sanders, dau. of Christian [sic] and Elizabeth, bapt. 13
October 1684 >>
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Vital record of Rhode Island, 1636-1850 : a family register for the people Arnold, James N. (James Newell) , 1844-1927
Will Johnson
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WJhonson
Re: Experts Who Will Not Correct Errors...
But James which of your ancestors was hung for sodomy and which was exiled to France for unnatural carnal desire of his niece ?
That's what we want to know. Enquiring minds want to know.
Will
That's what we want to know. Enquiring minds want to know.
Will
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Re: Another C.P. Correction: Jasper Tudor's bastard daughter
I plan a bit better than repeating, might be to cite some primary evidence.
Will
Will
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Gjest
Re: Experts Who Will Not Correct Errors...
Dear Spencer,
Leo is far more conscientious than I about
withholding names, dates and places of persons in my lineage, to wit, my paternal
grandmother Julia Maria ( Croxford) Cummings 1901-2002, also my deceased father
Donald Ernest Cummings 1927-1988, my mother Marjorie May Condon (these two names
included in all of the various Marquis` Who`s Who my biography has appeared
in since their 2000 edition of Who`s Who in the World for which I have never
paid one cent.), my maternal grandparents Wilfred Leroy Condon b 1907- d 1966
and his wife Roxie Anna Condon (nee Miller) 1904-1985. None of Whom is named
on Leo`s site solely by his choice. It would be different if They were persons
in the news every day who private lives are public.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA
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Leo is far more conscientious than I about
withholding names, dates and places of persons in my lineage, to wit, my paternal
grandmother Julia Maria ( Croxford) Cummings 1901-2002, also my deceased father
Donald Ernest Cummings 1927-1988, my mother Marjorie May Condon (these two names
included in all of the various Marquis` Who`s Who my biography has appeared
in since their 2000 edition of Who`s Who in the World for which I have never
paid one cent.), my maternal grandparents Wilfred Leroy Condon b 1907- d 1966
and his wife Roxie Anna Condon (nee Miller) 1904-1985. None of Whom is named
on Leo`s site solely by his choice. It would be different if They were persons
in the news every day who private lives are public.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA
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Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
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Built that would mean giving up one of those really nice inflation proof
government pensions.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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William Black wrote:
"Robert Peffers." <peffers@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Slaves?
Did not Gordon Brown, today, tell the Prison Warders that they could
not, legally, withdraw their labour?
That's slavery in my book.
Nope.
They negotiated a 'no strike' agreement, voted to accept it, and were
well compensated for the loss of their right to withdraw their labour.
Anyone joining the Prison Service after that date will have had to sign
to say that they accepted their conditions of employment.
can they not resign?
Of course.
Built that would mean giving up one of those really nice inflation proof
government pensions.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
Vince
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
Paul J. Adam wrote:
you can stop military people from resigning
I have no idea about Prison staff
Vince
In message <DLKdnddD3cVFq0rbnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@comcast.com>, Vince
firelaw@firelaw.us> writes
William Black wrote:
They negotiated a 'no strike' agreement, voted to accept it, and
were well compensated for the loss of their right to withdraw their
labour.
Anyone joining the Prison Service after that date will have had to
sign to say that they accepted their conditions of employment.
can they not resign?
How could you stop them?
you can stop military people from resigning
I have no idea about Prison staff
Vince
-
William Black
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"Vince" <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote in message
news:N_udndNasa8szkrbnZ2dnUVZ_uzinZ2d@comcast.com...
They count as Civil Servants. Employees of the national government.
You can't stop them resigning in peacetime unless a 'state of emergency' is
declared, which it hasn't...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:N_udndNasa8szkrbnZ2dnUVZ_uzinZ2d@comcast.com...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <DLKdnddD3cVFq0rbnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@comcast.com>, Vince
firelaw@firelaw.us> writes
William Black wrote:
They negotiated a 'no strike' agreement, voted to accept it, and were
well compensated for the loss of their right to withdraw their labour.
Anyone joining the Prison Service after that date will have had to
sign to say that they accepted their conditions of employment.
can they not resign?
How could you stop them?
you can stop military people from resigning
I have no idea about Prison staff
They count as Civil Servants. Employees of the national government.
You can't stop them resigning in peacetime unless a 'state of emergency' is
declared, which it hasn't...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
John Briggs
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
William Black wrote:
You probably don't need to, unless you hit 65 before 6 April 2010. After
that date you will only need 30 qualifying years instead of 44.
--
John Briggs
Well seeing as I'm still paying a National Insurance contribution I
have a legitimate call on the National Health Service.
You probably don't need to, unless you hit 65 before 6 April 2010. After
that date you will only need 30 qualifying years instead of 44.
--
John Briggs
-
Ray O'Hara
Re: While England Slept
"a.spencer3" <a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:xAFzi.29819$rr5.1068@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
you brits act like we owed you something.
if britain and france had listen to wilson in 1918-19 there might not have
even been a hitler.
the brits and french bungled into WWI and then their desire for revenge made
fertile grounds for the rise of the nazies.
news:xAFzi.29819$rr5.1068@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
Well, the USA slept far longer into WWII.
Twit!
Surreyman
you brits act like we owed you something.
if britain and france had listen to wilson in 1918-19 there might not have
even been a hitler.
the brits and french bungled into WWI and then their desire for revenge made
fertile grounds for the rise of the nazies.
-
Ray O'Hara
Re: While England Slept
"a.spencer3" <a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:B3Szi.26226$Db6.16824@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
you entered the war after you fed the nazi monster in hopes it would eat you
last.
finally you realized he was going to eat you too. you gave away the czechs
and the austrians.
and you sure helped poland. they were gone before you had men deployed.
the brits were out to save their own ass and nothing else.
no he hated the brits.
germans have never bothered ireland, the brits had practiced genocide there.
yet you are dumbfounded that the irish don't love you.
news:B3Szi.26226$Db6.16824@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
We entered the war on behalf of others, not waiting until we were under
attack ourselves.
you entered the war after you fed the nazi monster in hopes it would eat you
last.
finally you realized he was going to eat you too. you gave away the czechs
and the austrians.
and you sure helped poland. they were gone before you had men deployed.
the brits were out to save their own ass and nothing else.
Meanwhile you had the problem of your London Ambassador loving Hitler and
hating the Jews.
Step carefully, Hines.
Twit!
no he hated the brits.
germans have never bothered ireland, the brits had practiced genocide there.
yet you are dumbfounded that the irish don't love you.
-
Adam Whyte-Settlar
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:01FBi.2066$F77.604@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
Bwahahahahahaha!
news:01FBi.2066$F77.604@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
"Ian Smith" <ianinhoose@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
news:20070830193440.65fcf019@ianinhoose-desktop...
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:55:06 +1000
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <none@none> wrote:
Gatling Gun Post - One in which overwhelming firepower is used to
anihilate poorly thought out or ill-researched counter-arguments.
As the clinking sound of empty bullet casings hitting the ground
abates, an ominous wall of smoke silently dissipates to unveil the
scene of utter devastation.
Well no.
He just cut and pasted a load of old bollocks.
Bwahahahahahaha!
-
Adam Whyte-Settlar
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:21FBi.2067$F77.1242@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
Bwahahahahah! Etc etc.
news:21FBi.2067$F77.1242@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
You really must improve or people will make you look a complete fool...
Again...
Bwahahahahah! Etc etc.
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural, Militar
That's really overly harsh.
Why can't we all just get along?
Todd is trying to whip up hate and discontent among the posters here -- and
I don't think that's called for at all.
We need to take a more collegial, inclusive attitude and not back-bite or
kvetch.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Peace And Friendship
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1188513051.808779.123910@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
In their defense, you are no "complement" to Don and Todd, or to Leo's
database, by any stretch of the imagination.
And your compliments to them were backhanders. You wouldn't know a "sincere
sentiment" served on a plate with watercress.
Peter Stewart
Why can't we all just get along?
Todd is trying to whip up hate and discontent among the posters here -- and
I don't think that's called for at all.
We need to take a more collegial, inclusive attitude and not back-bite or
kvetch.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Peace And Friendship
"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1188513051.808779.123910@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
My complement to Todd and Don stands. As does my complement last week
regarding the lovely portraits displayed on Leo's database. Both are
sincere sentiments on my part.
In their defense, you are no "complement" to Don and Todd, or to Leo's
database, by any stretch of the imagination.
And your compliments to them were backhanders. You wouldn't know a "sincere
sentiment" served on a plate with watercress.
Peter Stewart
-
Peter Stewart
Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural, Militar
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:CPLBi.104$YE3.357@eagle.america.net...
That's fine by me - the former at least - and will remain so, hopefully,
when I can get my breath back.
It may last as long as we don't hear more about training or other alleged
superiorities of one poster over another.
And NB, "Pax et amicitia" is correct Latin.
Peter Stewart
news:CPLBi.104$YE3.357@eagle.america.net...
That's really overly harsh.
Why can't we all just get along?
Todd is trying to whip up hate and discontent among the posters here --
and
I don't think that's called for at all.
We need to take a more collegial, inclusive attitude and not back-bite or
kvetch.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Peace And Friendship
That's fine by me - the former at least - and will remain so, hopefully,
when I can get my breath back.
It may last as long as we don't hear more about training or other alleged
superiorities of one poster over another.
And NB, "Pax et amicitia" is correct Latin.
Peter Stewart
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: Counting Descendants
Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.1518.1188458842.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
Yes, I fear that's quite obvious, Leo.
A Genealogist, constantly working in the English language, really should
understand what a DESCENDANT is...
Right?
Surely you agree with that simple truth.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus
news:mailman.1518.1188458842.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
What apparently is obvious (and true) I never have scholarly
learned the English language, speaking or writing. [sic]
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, I fear that's quite obvious, Leo.
A Genealogist, constantly working in the English language, really should
understand what a DESCENDANT is...
Right?
Surely you agree with that simple truth.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus
-
WJhonson
Re: Nathaniel Tilden`s Ancestry
<<n a message dated 08/29/07 17:48:53 Pacific Standard Time, Jwc1870 writes:
For Percival read ' Peter / Piers Legh / Leigh. Children
attributed to them on Stirnet incude Piers/Peter, Margaret, James and John. No
mention of a Joan there. >>
-------------------
But the source cited "Burke's Commoners" doesn't inspire one with a lot of confidence in the idea that they exhaustively listed the children.
Will
For Percival read ' Peter / Piers Legh / Leigh. Children
attributed to them on Stirnet incude Piers/Peter, Margaret, James and John. No
mention of a Joan there. >>
-------------------
But the source cited "Burke's Commoners" doesn't inspire one with a lot of confidence in the idea that they exhaustively listed the children.
Will
-
Adam Whyte-Settlar
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"Ian Smith" <ianinhoose@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
news:20070830193440.65fcf019@ianinhoose-desktop...
I love the smell of cordite in the morning.
news:20070830193440.65fcf019@ianinhoose-desktop...
an ominous wall of smoke silently dissipates to unveil the
scene of utter devastation.
I love the smell of cordite in the morning.
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: The Long Knives Are Out For George Tenet
"Ken Wood" <ken_wood56@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1188487262.860006.306300@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
------------Cordon Sanitaire-------------------------------------------
Certainly NOT "the only viable large casualty method open to terrorists at
that time ." Tunnel Vision.
He also stutters and gets his prepositions and negatives confused.
DSH
--------------------------------------------------------
Here's a second EXCELLENT example of a CARDINAL ERROR made by young,
inexperienced, not-very-intelligent, pimply-faced kids -- and mediocre
academics, often cut from the same cloth -- because they spend a good deal
of time interacting with each other...
And their weaknesses rub off on each other.
Wood falls in the PFK Category...
They think that if someone simply calls attention to a threat by talking
loosely about it or even writing an article in _The Atlantic_ or _Harper's_
or _The New York Times Magazine_ or some such, that everyone who is NOT
"systematically stupid" should immediately see said threat as a clear and
present danger and spend millions/billions of dollars and tens of
thousands/hundreds of thousands of man-hours countering it -- although it is
NOT seen as a CLEAR & PRESENT DANGER by the majority.
Never Happen...
BECAUSE they are inexperienced pimply-faced kids and/or mediocre academics
they probably have never DONE anything -- have not fought hard to get
endorsements, backing and funding for their pet project, assumed the burden
of failure if they screw the pooch and worked 80-hour weeks for several
years, making it all happen.
So, they wallow in hindsight and self-adoration -- intellectual masturbators
writ large.
We were similarly unprepared to face the threat before the Attack on Pearl
Harbor because enough of the American People could not be convinced of the
threat from Fascist Japan, as well as Fascist Germany and Italy, to fund,
recruit and man an adequate Army and Navy to counter the threats.
PFK's and mediocre academics often simply don't understand that in the
American System of Democratic Government PEOPLE must DIE -- in LARGE
NUMBERS -- before any radical, EXPENSIVE change can take effect.
In effect, the American People have to be hit upside the head several times
with a well-seasoned, strongly-wielded 2 by 4 -- blows which were
administered at Pearl Harbor and on 9/11
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
news:1188487262.860006.306300@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
"First, the only viable large casualty method open to terrorists at
that time was a large airplane "kamikaze" attack of the the [sic] type
they did. It could have been foreseen, thwarted or precluded merely
by fortified cockpit doors and an in-plane camera system for
monitoring activity in the passenger compartment. It was systematic
stupidity from [sic] the airlines, the government, insurers and
re-insurers that none of that was done years before." [sic]
------------Cordon Sanitaire-------------------------------------------
Certainly NOT "the only viable large casualty method open to terrorists at
that time ." Tunnel Vision.
He also stutters and gets his prepositions and negatives confused.
DSH
--------------------------------------------------------
Here's a second EXCELLENT example of a CARDINAL ERROR made by young,
inexperienced, not-very-intelligent, pimply-faced kids -- and mediocre
academics, often cut from the same cloth -- because they spend a good deal
of time interacting with each other...
And their weaknesses rub off on each other.
Wood falls in the PFK Category...
They think that if someone simply calls attention to a threat by talking
loosely about it or even writing an article in _The Atlantic_ or _Harper's_
or _The New York Times Magazine_ or some such, that everyone who is NOT
"systematically stupid" should immediately see said threat as a clear and
present danger and spend millions/billions of dollars and tens of
thousands/hundreds of thousands of man-hours countering it -- although it is
NOT seen as a CLEAR & PRESENT DANGER by the majority.
Never Happen...
BECAUSE they are inexperienced pimply-faced kids and/or mediocre academics
they probably have never DONE anything -- have not fought hard to get
endorsements, backing and funding for their pet project, assumed the burden
of failure if they screw the pooch and worked 80-hour weeks for several
years, making it all happen.
So, they wallow in hindsight and self-adoration -- intellectual masturbators
writ large.
We were similarly unprepared to face the threat before the Attack on Pearl
Harbor because enough of the American People could not be convinced of the
threat from Fascist Japan, as well as Fascist Germany and Italy, to fund,
recruit and man an adequate Army and Navy to counter the threats.
PFK's and mediocre academics often simply don't understand that in the
American System of Democratic Government PEOPLE must DIE -- in LARGE
NUMBERS -- before any radical, EXPENSIVE change can take effect.
In effect, the American People have to be hit upside the head several times
with a well-seasoned, strongly-wielded 2 by 4 -- blows which were
administered at Pearl Harbor and on 9/11
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
-
William Black
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:JRIBi.33199$ph7.30181@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
Well yes.
But as I make some money by doing a bit of antique dealing I actually need
a 'self employed stamp' to be paid every month to lock into the tax system.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:JRIBi.33199$ph7.30181@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
William Black wrote:
Well seeing as I'm still paying a National Insurance contribution I
have a legitimate call on the National Health Service.
You probably don't need to, unless you hit 65 before 6 April 2010. After
that date you will only need 30 qualifying years instead of 44.
Well yes.
But as I make some money by doing a bit of antique dealing I actually need
a 'self employed stamp' to be paid every month to lock into the tax system.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
William Black
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <none@none> wrote in message
news:13df1falp5t8l41@corp.supernews.com...
So no reply to my dissection of your set of spurious arguments.
You obviously don't have the sense to shut your potato trap after being
humiliated.
As Vince would say...
'Lack of content noted'.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:13df1falp5t8l41@corp.supernews.com...
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:01FBi.2066$F77.604@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
"Ian Smith" <ianinhoose@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
news:20070830193440.65fcf019@ianinhoose-desktop...
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:55:06 +1000
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <none@none> wrote:
Gatling Gun Post - One in which overwhelming firepower is used to
anihilate poorly thought out or ill-researched counter-arguments.
As the clinking sound of empty bullet casings hitting the ground
abates, an ominous wall of smoke silently dissipates to unveil the
scene of utter devastation.
Well no.
He just cut and pasted a load of old bollocks.
Bwahahahahahaha!
So no reply to my dissection of your set of spurious arguments.
You obviously don't have the sense to shut your potato trap after being
humiliated.
As Vince would say...
'Lack of content noted'.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
Adam Whyte-Settlar
Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:XeSBi.37606$rr5.22294@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
Bwahahahahaha - stop it - you're killing me.
14k of top quality documentation from top quality source material and that's
all you can come back with - 'spurious arguments'
Grow up idiot.
news:XeSBi.37606$rr5.22294@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <none@none> wrote in message
news:13df1falp5t8l41@corp.supernews.com...
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:01FBi.2066$F77.604@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
"Ian Smith" <ianinhoose@btinternet.naespam.com> wrote in message
news:20070830193440.65fcf019@ianinhoose-desktop...
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:55:06 +1000
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <none@none> wrote:
Gatling Gun Post - One in which overwhelming firepower is used to
anihilate poorly thought out or ill-researched counter-arguments.
As the clinking sound of empty bullet casings hitting the ground
abates, an ominous wall of smoke silently dissipates to unveil the
scene of utter devastation.
Well no.
He just cut and pasted a load of old bollocks.
Bwahahahahahaha!
So no reply to my dissection of your set of spurious arguments.
You obviously don't have the sense to shut your potato trap after being
humiliated.
As Vince would say...
'Lack of content noted'.
Bwahahahahaha - stop it - you're killing me.
14k of top quality documentation from top quality source material and that's
all you can come back with - 'spurious arguments'
Grow up idiot.
-
Brian Sharrock
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:JRIBi.33199$ph7.30181@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
--
Brian
news:JRIBi.33199$ph7.30181@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
William Black wrote:
Well seeing as I'm still paying a National Insurance contribution I
have a legitimate call on the National Health Service.
You probably don't need to, unless you hit 65 before 6 April 2010. After
that date you will only need 30 qualifying years instead of 44.
--
John Briggs
Now; you tell me ..... ! ;(
--
Brian
-
John Briggs
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
Brian Sharrock wrote:
The law was only passed on 27th July (Pensions Act 2007)
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/pensionsreform/
--
John Briggs
"John Briggs" wrote
William Black wrote:
Well seeing as I'm still paying a National Insurance contribution I
have a legitimate call on the National Health Service.
You probably don't need to, unless you hit 65 before 6 April 2010. After
that date you will only need 30 qualifying years instead of 44.
Now; you tell me ..... ! ;(
The law was only passed on 27th July (Pensions Act 2007)
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/pensionsreform/
--
John Briggs
-
Brian Sharrock
Re: Weekend's Re-Enactment In Sheffield, England
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:VSVBi.33725$ph7.10081@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
It's not the July 27 that concerns me , it's the 2010 part!
I'm beginning to think there's a conspiracy aimed at we 'war-babies'.
news:VSVBi.33725$ph7.10081@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
Brian Sharrock wrote:
"John Briggs" wrote
William Black wrote:
Well seeing as I'm still paying a National Insurance contribution I
have a legitimate call on the National Health Service.
You probably don't need to, unless you hit 65 before 6 April 2010. After
that date you will only need 30 qualifying years instead of 44.
Now; you tell me ..... ! ;(
The law was only passed on 27th July (Pensions Act 2007)
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/pensionsreform/
--
John Briggs
Thanks ! I think .... !
It's not the July 27 that concerns me , it's the 2010 part!
I'm beginning to think there's a conspiracy aimed at we 'war-babies'.
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural, Militar
Actually, Nat seems to be a Visiting Assistant Professor of History at
Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts now -- promoted from Visiting
Lecturer. Congratulations are in order.
Nat Taylor allegedly failed to get tenure at Harvard and was really in the
dumps for a while but insisted on staying at Mother Harvard, his alma mater,
after a brief stay as a ronin scholar at the University of Kentucky.
Nat reportedly limped back to Harvard and cap in hand sought readmission to
the faculty. So Harvard taking pity on him, and seeing that Nat, who just
can't seem to live and thrive anywhere else but at Harvard, where he
received both his graduate and undergraduate degrees, would accept even the
most menial position -- took him back as a Visiting Lecturer -- low man on
the totem pole.
This may mean only one or two-year appointments to the Faculty at a time.
Hazardous.
But his wife reportedly has a Real Job at Brown University, in Providence
Rhode Island -- so they would have to commute to see each other -- or
perhaps she's back at Harvard, or somewhere else in the Boston area by now.
I hope so, for the sake of their marriage.
Nat's Major Problem seems to be an inability to turn out books and
articles -- and in the fiercely competitive Publish Or Perish Culture at
Harvard that can be a Death Sentence.
But I'm sure we all wish him and his wife well and send our prayers and best
wishes to him -- hoping he can dig himself out and get those articles and
books published.
If he announced them here I'm sure some of us would buy same. I know I
would.
All Best Wishes & Aloha,
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Peace And Friendship
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188569349.839091.15260@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts now -- promoted from Visiting
Lecturer. Congratulations are in order.
Nat Taylor allegedly failed to get tenure at Harvard and was really in the
dumps for a while but insisted on staying at Mother Harvard, his alma mater,
after a brief stay as a ronin scholar at the University of Kentucky.
Nat reportedly limped back to Harvard and cap in hand sought readmission to
the faculty. So Harvard taking pity on him, and seeing that Nat, who just
can't seem to live and thrive anywhere else but at Harvard, where he
received both his graduate and undergraduate degrees, would accept even the
most menial position -- took him back as a Visiting Lecturer -- low man on
the totem pole.
This may mean only one or two-year appointments to the Faculty at a time.
Hazardous.
But his wife reportedly has a Real Job at Brown University, in Providence
Rhode Island -- so they would have to commute to see each other -- or
perhaps she's back at Harvard, or somewhere else in the Boston area by now.
I hope so, for the sake of their marriage.
Nat's Major Problem seems to be an inability to turn out books and
articles -- and in the fiercely competitive Publish Or Perish Culture at
Harvard that can be a Death Sentence.
But I'm sure we all wish him and his wife well and send our prayers and best
wishes to him -- hoping he can dig himself out and get those articles and
books published.
If he announced them here I'm sure some of us would buy same. I know I
would.
All Best Wishes & Aloha,
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Peace And Friendship
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Oh, that's it. Now we know. Because I object to inappropriate
crossposting all of the real historians have left. Like Nat Taylor,
the tosser. He hasn't posted since, . . . what was it . . .
yesterday? Who, exactly, among the published historians have I driven
off? There must be some cadre of grand published historians of which
Is Nat Taylor a "real historian"? I thought he was more of a
glorified house-husband. =)~
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Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
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I have personal knowledge of a 'Prison Officer' (warder, screw ,,) who did
resign after about a years 'service'. Got fed up with having inmates sidling
up and saying' we know where you kids are ... " etc.
Any Prison Officer who lasts long enough to collect a 'nice government
pension;, IMHO, deserves it.
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William Black wrote:
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Slaves?
Did not Gordon Brown, today, tell the Prison Warders that they could
not, legally, withdraw their labour?
That's slavery in my book.
Nope.
They negotiated a 'no strike' agreement, voted to accept it, and were
well compensated for the loss of their right to withdraw their labour.
Anyone joining the Prison Service after that date will have had to sign
to say that they accepted their conditions of employment.
can they not resign?
Of course.
Built that would mean giving up one of those really nice inflation proof
government pensions.
--
William Black
I have personal knowledge of a 'Prison Officer' (warder, screw ,,) who did
resign after about a years 'service'. Got fed up with having inmates sidling
up and saying' we know where you kids are ... " etc.
Any Prison Officer who lasts long enough to collect a 'nice government
pension;, IMHO, deserves it.
--
Brian
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Vince
Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural, Militar
He does have a website at
http://www.nltaylor.net/index.htm
Vince
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
http://www.nltaylor.net/index.htm
Vince
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Actually, Nat seems to be a Visiting Assistant Professor of History at
Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts now -- promoted from Visiting
Lecturer. Congratulations are in order.
Nat Taylor allegedly failed to get tenure at Harvard and was really in the
dumps for a while but insisted on staying at Mother Harvard, his alma mater,
after a brief stay as a ronin scholar at the University of Kentucky.
Nat reportedly limped back to Harvard and cap in hand sought readmission to
the faculty. So Harvard taking pity on him, and seeing that Nat, who just
can't seem to live and thrive anywhere else but at Harvard, where he
received both his graduate and undergraduate degrees, would accept even the
most menial position -- took him back as a Visiting Lecturer -- low man on
the totem pole.
This may mean only one or two-year appointments to the Faculty at a time.
Hazardous.
But his wife reportedly has a Real Job at Brown University, in Providence
Rhode Island -- so they would have to commute to see each other -- or
perhaps she's back at Harvard, or somewhere else in the Boston area by now.
I hope so, for the sake of their marriage.
Nat's Major Problem seems to be an inability to turn out books and
articles -- and in the fiercely competitive Publish Or Perish Culture at
Harvard that can be a Death Sentence.
But I'm sure we all wish him and his wife well and send our prayers and best
wishes to him -- hoping he can dig himself out and get those articles and
books published.
If he announced them here I'm sure some of us would buy same. I know I
would.
All Best Wishes & Aloha,
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Peace And Friendship
"John Brandon" <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188569349.839091.15260@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Oh, that's it. Now we know. Because I object to inappropriate
crossposting all of the real historians have left. Like Nat Taylor,
the tosser. He hasn't posted since, . . . what was it . . .
yesterday? Who, exactly, among the published historians have I driven
off? There must be some cadre of grand published historians of which
Is Nat Taylor a "real historian"? I thought he was more of a
glorified house-husband. =)~
-
norenxaq
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
there is a VERY OLD version of paf for the mac. but, it is limited in
usefulness esp. as every field is restricted to 15 characters. it is
also no longer supported.
Brad are you sure PAF doesn't have a MAC version?
there is a VERY OLD version of paf for the mac. but, it is limited in
usefulness esp. as every field is restricted to 15 characters. it is
also no longer supported.
I believe I was using PAF on my Mac back when in the late 90s at least...
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural, Militar
Nat Taylor REALLY needs to write that book about Great Genealogical Frauds
In History, or whatever he chooses to title it.
Colorful Charlatans...
Why he could even use some examples from SGM no doubt. <g>
It could be a big money maker for him and give him National Fame.
I'm sure many folks in these newsgroups would buy it.
What's the status of that book now, Nat?
All Best Wishes & Aloha,
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Peace And Friendship
In History, or whatever he chooses to title it.
Colorful Charlatans...
Why he could even use some examples from SGM no doubt. <g>
It could be a big money maker for him and give him National Fame.
I'm sure many folks in these newsgroups would buy it.
What's the status of that book now, Nat?
All Best Wishes & Aloha,
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Peace And Friendship
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norenxaq
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
he's looking for a mac program, so all these pc suggestions aren't going
to help.
to help.
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Gjest
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
Brad are you sure PAF doesn't have a MAC version?
I believe I was using PAF on my Mac back when in the late 90s at least...
Will
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I believe I was using PAF on my Mac back when in the late 90s at least...
Will
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Gjest
Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
In a message dated 8/31/2007 9:45:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
wood_ce@msn.com writes:
Legacy Deluxe!! Hands down!
Names include:
Title Prefix
Given
Surname
Title Suffix
--------------
Do this test, import 100,000 people and then do a search on a title suffix
like "Earl of Northumberland"?
Does it not search the *entire* database. In other words, it doesn't index
these entries, it just stores them. When you search on them, it looks at
every record in your hundred thousand person database.
Surname on the other hand is indexed, and typing in Smith, will jump
directly to that section with no pause.
Will
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wood_ce@msn.com writes:
Legacy Deluxe!! Hands down!
Names include:
Title Prefix
Given
Surname
Title Suffix
--------------
Do this test, import 100,000 people and then do a search on a title suffix
like "Earl of Northumberland"?
Does it not search the *entire* database. In other words, it doesn't index
these entries, it just stores them. When you search on them, it looks at
every record in your hundred thousand person database.
Surname on the other hand is indexed, and typing in Smith, will jump
directly to that section with no pause.
Will
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taf
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
On Aug 31, 10:30 am, norenxaq <noren...@san.rr.com> wrote:
May help others though.
taf
he's looking for a mac program, so all these pc suggestions aren't going
to help.
May help others though.
taf
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural, Militar
Nat Taylor's children DO have some MOST interesting Genealogical
Connections.
They have 13 Ancestors on _Mayflower_.
Including William Brewster, John Howland, Elizabeth Tilney, William
Bradford, John and Priscilla Alden, of poetic fame!
Nat contributes FIVE of them and his wife, Julie Harmon Scott Taylor
contributes EIGHT.
So their daughter, Cassandra [good name] Elizabeth Taylor winds up with
THIRTEEN.
A prophetess and a movie star...
Absolutely Smashing, Old Rugger!...
Look at the chart here. Fascinating Genealogical History of New England!
<http://www.nltaylor.net/images/Mayflower.gif>
Nat has a Good Sense of History [a rare talent] and a Good Nose for
Prosopography too...
As you'll see from other features of his website at:
<http://www.nltaylor.net/index.htm>
<http://www.nltaylor.net/ancestry/commonancestors/index.htm>
<http://www.nltaylor.net/ancestry/royaldescents/index.htm>
Nat also appears to be a 2nd cousin, three times removed, of Sir Winston
Churchill.
The Common Ancestors are Captain Isaac Jerome and Aurora Murray,
Grandparents of Sir Winston's Mother, Jennie Jerome.
DEEEEELIGHTFUL!...
As another Nat Taylor cousin, Theodore Roosevelt, [but not so close] would
say.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Peace And Friendship
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Connections.
They have 13 Ancestors on _Mayflower_.
Including William Brewster, John Howland, Elizabeth Tilney, William
Bradford, John and Priscilla Alden, of poetic fame!
Nat contributes FIVE of them and his wife, Julie Harmon Scott Taylor
contributes EIGHT.
So their daughter, Cassandra [good name] Elizabeth Taylor winds up with
THIRTEEN.
A prophetess and a movie star...
Absolutely Smashing, Old Rugger!...
Look at the chart here. Fascinating Genealogical History of New England!
<http://www.nltaylor.net/images/Mayflower.gif>
Nat has a Good Sense of History [a rare talent] and a Good Nose for
Prosopography too...
As you'll see from other features of his website at:
<http://www.nltaylor.net/index.htm>
<http://www.nltaylor.net/ancestry/commonancestors/index.htm>
<http://www.nltaylor.net/ancestry/royaldescents/index.htm>
Nat also appears to be a 2nd cousin, three times removed, of Sir Winston
Churchill.
The Common Ancestors are Captain Isaac Jerome and Aurora Murray,
Grandparents of Sir Winston's Mother, Jennie Jerome.
DEEEEELIGHTFUL!...
As another Nat Taylor cousin, Theodore Roosevelt, [but not so close] would
say.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Peace And Friendship
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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Gjest
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
That's interesting. PAF uses prefix as well, but doesn't actually *show*
the prefix in the index screen, so you can still see the first names just fine.
Provided of course that the rest of the name isn't really long, in which
case everything except the "surname" is squeezed.
PAF, the newest version, allows very long entries in the name field, by the
way. I have some entries that are about 60 characters or so.
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the prefix in the index screen, so you can still see the first names just fine.
Provided of course that the rest of the name isn't really long, in which
case everything except the "surname" is squeezed.
PAF, the newest version, allows very long entries in the name field, by the
way. I have some entries that are about 60 characters or so.
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WJhonson
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
I've experimented with adding all the titles as *children* with a (T) suffix or prefix, I've also experimented with adding all the properties with a (P) prefix.
None of those solutions are wonderful, but they do work sort-of. The part that's annoying is when you have multiple holders of a title, all linked together through this shared-title and then try to find out how two people are related, it will try to relate through through the title because I've fiddled it to think they are children.
My fault on that of course. I just wish there were a program that would allow you to create not just parent-child-spouse relationships, but whatever-you-want relationships. And then of course index those fields
Will Johnson
None of those solutions are wonderful, but they do work sort-of. The part that's annoying is when you have multiple holders of a title, all linked together through this shared-title and then try to find out how two people are related, it will try to relate through through the title because I've fiddled it to think they are children.
My fault on that of course. I just wish there were a program that would allow you to create not just parent-child-spouse relationships, but whatever-you-want relationships. And then of course index those fields
Will Johnson
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Gjest
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
On Aug 31, 10:30 am, norenxaq <noren...@san.rr.com> wrote:
If Legacy Deluxe is truly superior and worth it, he can always buy it
and a copy of Windows and either download Apple's Bootcamp OR buy
Parallels and run Windows & Windows programs on his Mac.
I'm about to do it myself.
The advantage of Bootcamp is that it's free. The advantage of
Parallels is that you don't need to reboot the computer between Mac &
Windows sessions (but it will devour enormous amounts of RAM, so check
the requirements and what you've got).
Judy
http://www.katherineswynford.net
http://katherineswynford.blogspot.com
he's looking for a mac program, so all these pc suggestions aren't going
to help.
If Legacy Deluxe is truly superior and worth it, he can always buy it
and a copy of Windows and either download Apple's Bootcamp OR buy
Parallels and run Windows & Windows programs on his Mac.
I'm about to do it myself.
The advantage of Bootcamp is that it's free. The advantage of
Parallels is that you don't need to reboot the computer between Mac &
Windows sessions (but it will devour enormous amounts of RAM, so check
the requirements and what you've got).
Judy
http://www.katherineswynford.net
http://katherineswynford.blogspot.com
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
MAC's are for computer illiterates.
DSH
"Kay Allen" <allenk@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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DSH
"Kay Allen" <allenk@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:mailman.1615.1188586328.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
If you aren't a Mac afficianado, you can't understand
the attraction. PCs just don't hack it. I personally
am bilingual with Virtual PC on my Macs.
The best of both worlds))))
K
--- CE Wood <wood_ce@msn.com> wrote:
APOLOGIES!! There is no MAC version as yet. But it
is such a good
program, that it is almost worth investing in a PC
(now very
inexpensive) just for this program.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 9:43 am, CE Wood <wood...@msn.com> wrote:
Legacy Deluxe!! Hands down!
Names include:
Title Prefix
Given
Surname
Title Suffix
PLUS - innumerable alternate names that cam all be
visible in the
index, and so searched for.
2nd Earl
Humphrey V de
Bohun
of Hereford
AND:
1st Earl
Humphrey V de
Bohun
of Essex
AND:
2nd Earl
Humphrey V de Bohun of
Hereford
AND:
1st Earl
Humphrey V de Bohun of
Essex
Or whatever, however you would like to be able to
search for them, I
like being able to find all the Earsl, Kings, or
whatever in my index,
so I do as above. Of course, when you are dealing
with the "Fitz"
names and the like, it is REALLY convenient.
The Title suffix is IDEAL for entering "of
Halnaby, Yorkshire" as a
way of distinguishing when looking through the
index.
Do pay the incredibly low price of $30 to get the
Deluxe version.
They are VERY responsive, updates are several
times a year. It is not
as good at charting as some other programs, but
nothing, and I have
tried many, comes close in versatility and
flexibility. There are many
charting programs to use if you that is a major
concern.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 8:44 am, Brad Verity
royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've finally organized my 15 years' worth of
hard copy files into two
filing cabinets, and I'm ready to put the
information onto a computer
database. An off-list discussion with Leo van
de Pas has reinforced
how important it is to do so.
A co-worker recommended I download and use
Personal Ancestry File, but
unfortunately it's not compatible with my Mac
laptop.
Any recommendations for a good Mac-compatible
genealogy database,
especially for medieval data? One that has room
for title (Earl of
Westmorland, for example) and for residence (of
Halnaby, Yorkshire),
in addition to first and last name?
Thanks and Cheers, -------Brad
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Kay Allen
Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
If you aren't a Mac afficianado, you can't understand
the attraction. PCs just don't hack it. I personally
am bilingual with Virtual PC on my Macs.
The best of both worlds
))))
K
--- CE Wood <wood_ce@msn.com> wrote:
the attraction. PCs just don't hack it. I personally
am bilingual with Virtual PC on my Macs.
The best of both worlds
K
--- CE Wood <wood_ce@msn.com> wrote:
APOLOGIES!! There is no MAC version as yet. But it
is such a good
program, that it is almost worth investing in a PC
(now very
inexpensive) just for this program.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 9:43 am, CE Wood <wood...@msn.com> wrote:
Legacy Deluxe!! Hands down!
Names include:
Title Prefix
Given
Surname
Title Suffix
PLUS - innumerable alternate names that cam all be
visible in the
index, and so searched for.
2nd Earl
Humphrey V de
Bohun
of Hereford
AND:
1st Earl
Humphrey V de
Bohun
of Essex
AND:
2nd Earl
Humphrey V de Bohun of
Hereford
AND:
1st Earl
Humphrey V de Bohun of
Essex
Or whatever, however you would like to be able to
search for them, I
like being able to find all the Earsl, Kings, or
whatever in my index,
so I do as above. Of course, when you are dealing
with the "Fitz"
names and the like, it is REALLY convenient.
The Title suffix is IDEAL for entering "of
Halnaby, Yorkshire" as a
way of distinguishing when looking through the
index.
Do pay the incredibly low price of $30 to get the
Deluxe version.
They are VERY responsive, updates are several
times a year. It is not
as good at charting as some other programs, but
nothing, and I have
tried many, comes close in versatility and
flexibility. There are many
charting programs to use if you that is a major
concern.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 8:44 am, Brad Verity
royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've finally organized my 15 years' worth of
hard copy files into two
filing cabinets, and I'm ready to put the
information onto a computer
database. An off-list discussion with Leo van
de Pas has reinforced
how important it is to do so.
A co-worker recommended I download and use
Personal Ancestry File, but
unfortunately it's not compatible with my Mac
laptop.
Any recommendations for a good Mac-compatible
genealogy database,
especially for medieval data? One that has room
for title (Earl of
Westmorland, for example) and for residence (of
Halnaby, Yorkshire),
in addition to first and last name?
Thanks and Cheers, -------Brad
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Vince
Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural, Militar
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
and no duplicates?
or have duplicates been removed.?
Mayflower genealogies routinely have duplicates, with descent from the
same person on both sides
There were only about 102 Mayflower passengers, and and a number had no
children
Vince
Nat Taylor's children DO have some MOST interesting Genealogical
Connections.
They have 13 Ancestors on _Mayflower_.
Including William Brewster, John Howland, Elizabeth Tilney, William
Bradford, John and Priscilla Alden, of poetic fame!
Nat contributes FIVE of them and his wife, Julie Harmon Scott Taylor
contributes EIGHT.
So their daughter, Cassandra [good name] Elizabeth Taylor winds up with
THIRTEEN.
and no duplicates?
or have duplicates been removed.?
Mayflower genealogies routinely have duplicates, with descent from the
same person on both sides
There were only about 102 Mayflower passengers, and and a number had no
children
Vince
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John Brandon
Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural, Militar
Nat Taylor's children DO have some MOST interesting Genealogical
Connections.
They have 13 Ancestors on _Mayflower_.
Including William Brewster, John Howland, Elizabeth Tilney, William
Bradford, John and Priscilla Alden, of poetic fame!
Nat contributes FIVE of them and his wife, Julie Harmon Scott Taylor
contributes EIGHT.
Unless I'm misreading the chart, all the Mayflower lines are through
the kidz' mother.
Here's a photo of Nat looking .... boyish (?) ....
http://www.dce.harvard.edu/pubs/lamplig ... novel.html
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CE Wood
Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
If you follow my examples, you will see that, because Legacy allows
innumerable surnames, I listed the same person with the surnames:
Bohun, Hereford, and Essex. I do not have to search to find that
person; they are all listed in the index. Humphrey is listed with the
last name of Bohun, with the last name of Hereford, and with the last
name of Essex. In this way, I am also able to see ALL the Earls of
Hereford, in numerical order (because I like that), and likewise, all
the Earls of Essex. I also have all the Bohuns, alphabetically. The
possibilities are endless because of the adaptability and flexibility
of the program.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 9:48 am, WJhon...@aol.com wrote:
innumerable surnames, I listed the same person with the surnames:
Bohun, Hereford, and Essex. I do not have to search to find that
person; they are all listed in the index. Humphrey is listed with the
last name of Bohun, with the last name of Hereford, and with the last
name of Essex. In this way, I am also able to see ALL the Earls of
Hereford, in numerical order (because I like that), and likewise, all
the Earls of Essex. I also have all the Bohuns, alphabetically. The
possibilities are endless because of the adaptability and flexibility
of the program.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 9:48 am, WJhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/31/2007 9:45:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
wood...@msn.com writes:
Legacy Deluxe!! Hands down!
Names include:
Title Prefix
Given
Surname
Title Suffix
--------------
Do this test, import 100,000 people and then do a search on a title suffix
like "Earl of Northumberland"?
Does it not search the *entire* database. In other words, it doesn't index
these entries, it just stores them. When you search on them, it looks at
every record in your hundred thousand person database.
Surname on the other hand is indexed, and typing in Smith, will jump
directly to that section with no pause.
Will
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Gjest
Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
No.
Macintoshes are for people who just want their systems to work simply,
reliably, and virus-free.
And it's Mac, not MAC.
Judy
http://www.katherineswynford.net
http://katherineswynford.blogspot.com
On Aug 31, 12:05 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
Macintoshes are for people who just want their systems to work simply,
reliably, and virus-free.
And it's Mac, not MAC.
Judy
http://www.katherineswynford.net
http://katherineswynford.blogspot.com
On Aug 31, 12:05 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
MAC's are for computer illiterates.
DSH
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WJhonson
Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
Does that not mean you now need multiple records for each person? Or are you saying that Legacy, indexes multiple surnames, in a single data record ? I'm not seeing that described in the Legacy writeups.
In a message dated 08/31/07 14:20:19 Pacific Standard Time, wood_ce@msn.com writes:
If you follow my examples, you will see that, because Legacy allows
innumerable surnames, I listed the same person with the surnames:
In a message dated 08/31/07 14:20:19 Pacific Standard Time, wood_ce@msn.com writes:
If you follow my examples, you will see that, because Legacy allows
innumerable surnames, I listed the same person with the surnames:
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CE Wood
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
As far as long names, the longest I have so far is:
Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena, Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
I can use anything I want as a surname by adding it as an alternate
name, and it will show in the index:
Castile, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de, Señor de Villena, Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Villena, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Escalona, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Peñafiel, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Escalona, Cartagena
Cartagena, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Escalona, Peñafiel
Pennafield, John Emanuel of
Or any of the other myriad combinations of given names, surnames,
prefixes, and suffixes.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 10:27 am, WJhon...@aol.com wrote:
Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena, Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
I can use anything I want as a surname by adding it as an alternate
name, and it will show in the index:
Castile, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de, Señor de Villena, Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Villena, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Escalona, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Peñafiel, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Escalona, Cartagena
Cartagena, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Escalona, Peñafiel
Pennafield, John Emanuel of
Or any of the other myriad combinations of given names, surnames,
prefixes, and suffixes.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 10:27 am, WJhon...@aol.com wrote:
That's interesting. PAF uses prefix as well, but doesn't actually *show*
the prefix in the index screen, so you can still see the first names just fine.
Provided of course that the rest of the name isn't really long, in which
case everything except the "surname" is squeezed.
PAF, the newest version, allows very long entries in the name field, by the
way. I have some entries that are about 60 characters or so.
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Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
But PAF also has the ability to use anything you want as a surname.
My question was, can a single database record, have two, three, four surnames all in the index, and yet all *one* record (as opposed to a record for each combination) ?
In a message dated 08/31/07 14:45:15 Pacific Standard Time, wood_ce@msn.com writes:
As far as long names, the longest I have so far is:
Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena, Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
I can use anything I want as a surname by adding it as an alternate
name, and it will show in the index:
Castile, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de, Señor de Villena, Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Villena, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Escalona, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Peñafiel, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Escalona, Cartagena
Cartagena, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Escalona, Peñafiel
Pennafield, John Emanuel of
Or any of the other myriad combinations of given names, surnames,
prefixes, and suffixes.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 10:27 am, WJhon...@aol.com wrote:
My question was, can a single database record, have two, three, four surnames all in the index, and yet all *one* record (as opposed to a record for each combination) ?
In a message dated 08/31/07 14:45:15 Pacific Standard Time, wood_ce@msn.com writes:
As far as long names, the longest I have so far is:
Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena, Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
I can use anything I want as a surname by adding it as an alternate
name, and it will show in the index:
Castile, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de, Señor de Villena, Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Villena, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Escalona, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Peñafiel, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Escalona, Cartagena
Cartagena, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Escalona, Peñafiel
Pennafield, John Emanuel of
Or any of the other myriad combinations of given names, surnames,
prefixes, and suffixes.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 10:27 am, WJhon...@aol.com wrote:
That's interesting. PAF uses prefix as well, but doesn't actually *show*
the prefix in the index screen, so you can still see the first names just fine.
Provided of course that the rest of the name isn't really long, in which
case everything except the "surname" is squeezed.
PAF, the newest version, allows very long entries in the name field, by the
way. I have some entries that are about 60 characters or so.
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Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
Legacy indexes multiple surnames in a single data record. In the
index, whatever you have deemed to be alternate names are prefaced
with "~".
"Alternate Names
Many times you will find that a person's name is represented in more
than one way. Either the spelling of the name will differ in various
sources or the name will be completely different. Sometimes names
were changed when a person immigrated to a new country. Sometimes
names were recorded wrong because of misunderstandings or bad
transcription. Many people go by different names as they grow up,
going from nickname to nickname. All of these names should be
recorded because you never know when a variation will be used in a new
source.
The Alternate Names screen is reached by clicking the Alternate Names
icon on either the Family View (under the Husband or Wife) or on the
Individual Information screen.
Adding New Alternate Names
To add a new name to the Alternate Names List, click Add. An input
window appears where you can type in the new name.
Editing an Existing Alternate Name
To edit an existing alternate name, highlight the name and click
Edit. An input window, filled with the current spelling, appears
where you can make the desired changes.
Deleting an Alternate Name
To delete an existing alternate name from the list, highlight the name
and click Delete.
Sources
Click Source to create a citation for the highlighted name.
Swapping an Alternate Name with the Main Name
If you would like to have one of the alternate names become the
primary name, highlight the name and click Swap Name with Main Name on
Record."
The Sources function is particularly helpful as it allows me to know
what the person is called in every source. It then shows up in the
index, so if you use the surname "FitzX", I can find the person, and
if someone else calls that same person "Arundel", I will find the same
person, being that there is only one record per person. It makes life
much easier if I want to check on a source - I know what that person
is called in any particular source. And I can use any old surname I
want.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 2:31 pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
index, whatever you have deemed to be alternate names are prefaced
with "~".
"Alternate Names
Many times you will find that a person's name is represented in more
than one way. Either the spelling of the name will differ in various
sources or the name will be completely different. Sometimes names
were changed when a person immigrated to a new country. Sometimes
names were recorded wrong because of misunderstandings or bad
transcription. Many people go by different names as they grow up,
going from nickname to nickname. All of these names should be
recorded because you never know when a variation will be used in a new
source.
The Alternate Names screen is reached by clicking the Alternate Names
icon on either the Family View (under the Husband or Wife) or on the
Individual Information screen.
Adding New Alternate Names
To add a new name to the Alternate Names List, click Add. An input
window appears where you can type in the new name.
Editing an Existing Alternate Name
To edit an existing alternate name, highlight the name and click
Edit. An input window, filled with the current spelling, appears
where you can make the desired changes.
Deleting an Alternate Name
To delete an existing alternate name from the list, highlight the name
and click Delete.
Sources
Click Source to create a citation for the highlighted name.
Swapping an Alternate Name with the Main Name
If you would like to have one of the alternate names become the
primary name, highlight the name and click Swap Name with Main Name on
Record."
The Sources function is particularly helpful as it allows me to know
what the person is called in every source. It then shows up in the
index, so if you use the surname "FitzX", I can find the person, and
if someone else calls that same person "Arundel", I will find the same
person, being that there is only one record per person. It makes life
much easier if I want to check on a source - I know what that person
is called in any particular source. And I can use any old surname I
want.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 2:31 pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
Does that not mean you now need multiple records for each person? Or are you saying that Legacy, indexes multiple surnames, in a single data record ? I'm not seeing that described in the Legacy writeups.
In a message dated 08/31/07 14:20:19 Pacific Standard Time, wood...@msn.com writes:
If you follow my examples, you will see that, because Legacy allows
innumerable surnames, I listed the same person with the surnames:
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Sensible Crossposting To Genealogical, Cultural, Militar
You are correct.
All 13 Mayflower Ancestors do come from Nat's wife's side.
I was being overly generous to Nat.
DSH
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All 13 Mayflower Ancestors do come from Nat's wife's side.
I was being overly generous to Nat.
DSH
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Unless I'm misreading the chart, all the Mayflower lines are through
the kidz' mother.
Here's a photo of Nat looking .... boyish (?) ....
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suthen
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
Brad,
Most people consider either Legacy Deluxe or The Master Genealogist to
be the best programs for Professonal genealogy because of their source
citation options. The learning curve is greater for the latter, but it
may be the most complete. I use Legacy and am mostly pleased with it.
Both programs are in testing stages for new versions (both will be
versions 7.0) which have been announced for the fall. So it will be
interesting to see if any of the criticisms in either have been
addressed.
Hap
Most people consider either Legacy Deluxe or The Master Genealogist to
be the best programs for Professonal genealogy because of their source
citation options. The learning curve is greater for the latter, but it
may be the most complete. I use Legacy and am mostly pleased with it.
Both programs are in testing stages for new versions (both will be
versions 7.0) which have been announced for the fall. So it will be
interesting to see if any of the criticisms in either have been
addressed.
Hap
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CE Wood
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
My question was, can a single database record, have two, three, four surnames all in the index, and yet all *one* record (as opposed to a record for each combination) ?
Yes. There is only one record for that person, no matter how many
alternate names you have for that person.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 2:52 pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
But PAF also has the ability to use anything you want as a surname.
My question was, can a single database record, have two, three, four surnames all in the index, and yet all *one* record (as opposed to a record for each combination) ?
In a message dated 08/31/07 14:45:15 Pacific Standard Time, wood...@msn.com writes:
As far as long names, the longest I have so far is:
Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena, Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
I can use anything I want as a surname by adding it as an alternate
name, and it will show in the index:
Castile, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de, Señor de Villena, Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Villena, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Escalona,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Escalona, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Peñafiel, Cartagena
Peñafiel, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Escalona, Cartagena
Cartagena, Juan II Manuel, el Scritor, de Castile, Señor de Villena,
Escalona, Peñafiel
Pennafield, John Emanuel of
Or any of the other myriad combinations of given names, surnames,
prefixes, and suffixes.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 10:27 am, WJhon...@aol.com wrote:
That's interesting. PAF uses prefix as well, but doesn't actually *show*
the prefix in the index screen, so you can still see the first names just fine.
Provided of course that the rest of the name isn't really long, in which
case everything except the "surname" is squeezed.
PAF, the newest version, allows very long entries in the name field, by the
way. I have some entries that are about 60 characters or so.
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Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
<<In a message dated 08/31/07 19:10:18 Pacific Standard Time, wood_ce@msn.com writes:
Yes. There is only one record for that person, no matter how many
alternate names you have for that person. >>
------------------
Thanks, that's very interesting. I should check that program out, sounds like a better fit for what I'm trying to do than PAF.
Yes. There is only one record for that person, no matter how many
alternate names you have for that person. >>
------------------
Thanks, that's very interesting. I should check that program out, sounds like a better fit for what I'm trying to do than PAF.
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Peter Stewart
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
"CE Wood" <wood_ce@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1188612575.391268.217800@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
My question comes from total ignorance of databases - I have never looked
into the mechanics of one. But my understanding of computer applications in
general is, "Garbage in, garbage out".
Is it true that there is only one record for an individual under different
names, unless the person entering the data knew already that it all related
to one and the same person, and linked any new fields back to the original
record for that indivual or otherwise made the connection, so they were just
entering the variations for the sake of tracking known variations, and not
in order to trace unknown relationships?
For instance, in Roderick Stuart's RFC, Otto the Illustrious, duke of the
Saxons, appears under the bogus name "Otto of Erlauchten", because Stuart
didn't recognise the accusative form of "der Erlauchte", the man's byname in
German. He didn't have a clue that this was only one person, and anyone
copying from the book into a database might not twig to the correction. How
could a database help to sort it out, unless the lines to such a confused
identity happened to come through the same descendants?
Or in other words, is there any means able to be built into databases to
identify a single person under different names, apart from the fixed
position of that individual in a specific ancestor table?
Peter Stewart
news:1188612575.391268.217800@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"WJhonson" <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.1620.1188597141.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
My question was, can a single database record, have two, three, four
surnames all in the index, and yet all *one* record (as opposed to a
record for each combination) ?
Yes. There is only one record for that person, no matter how many
alternate names you have for that person.
My question comes from total ignorance of databases - I have never looked
into the mechanics of one. But my understanding of computer applications in
general is, "Garbage in, garbage out".
Is it true that there is only one record for an individual under different
names, unless the person entering the data knew already that it all related
to one and the same person, and linked any new fields back to the original
record for that indivual or otherwise made the connection, so they were just
entering the variations for the sake of tracking known variations, and not
in order to trace unknown relationships?
For instance, in Roderick Stuart's RFC, Otto the Illustrious, duke of the
Saxons, appears under the bogus name "Otto of Erlauchten", because Stuart
didn't recognise the accusative form of "der Erlauchte", the man's byname in
German. He didn't have a clue that this was only one person, and anyone
copying from the book into a database might not twig to the correction. How
could a database help to sort it out, unless the lines to such a confused
identity happened to come through the same descendants?
Or in other words, is there any means able to be built into databases to
identify a single person under different names, apart from the fixed
position of that individual in a specific ancestor table?
Peter Stewart
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WJhonson
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
<<In a message dated 08/31/07 19:40:30 Pacific Standard Time, p_m_stewart@msn.com writes:
Or in other words, is there any means able to be built into databases to
identify a single person under different names, apart from the fixed
position of that individual in a specific ancestor table? >>
----------------------------------
Hopefully this new software can help a bit in that. If you can specify various titles, offices, land holdings, all as alternate names; then presumably you have a new tool to help spot that two people say "John the Blind" and "John the Baron of Metropolis" are the same person.
That is, if both, have an alternate name such as "Sheriff of Nowhere from 1123 to 1127" then you'd know that it is the same person, and making that connection wouldn't depend on knowing their ancestry.
Will
Or in other words, is there any means able to be built into databases to
identify a single person under different names, apart from the fixed
position of that individual in a specific ancestor table? >>
----------------------------------
Hopefully this new software can help a bit in that. If you can specify various titles, offices, land holdings, all as alternate names; then presumably you have a new tool to help spot that two people say "John the Blind" and "John the Baron of Metropolis" are the same person.
That is, if both, have an alternate name such as "Sheriff of Nowhere from 1123 to 1127" then you'd know that it is the same person, and making that connection wouldn't depend on knowing their ancestry.
Will
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WJhonson
Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
Marilyn I also use a person's most pompous sounding title (to my ear) as their *surname* and search on it. I use PAF as you do.
The problem comes when someone on list will call a person simply Algernon Percy, instead of Algernon Percy, 10th Earl of Northumberland.
I can't find him under Percy alone. So either I have to closely read their message to see if they say something else helpful like "married Anne Cecil, the daughter of the Earl of Salisbury..."
Then I can find him, by simply finding *her*.
It would be much better if I could index, in my surnames, under *both* Percy *and* Northumberland. And for that matter as well under /Sheriff of Rutland/ or /Chief Baron of the Excequer/ or whatever other titles he may have had.
C.E. Wood is telling us that with this other software you can do exactly that. One person, can appear in the index, under various names, and yet will remain one single record.
Will
The problem comes when someone on list will call a person simply Algernon Percy, instead of Algernon Percy, 10th Earl of Northumberland.
I can't find him under Percy alone. So either I have to closely read their message to see if they say something else helpful like "married Anne Cecil, the daughter of the Earl of Salisbury..."
Then I can find him, by simply finding *her*.
It would be much better if I could index, in my surnames, under *both* Percy *and* Northumberland. And for that matter as well under /Sheriff of Rutland/ or /Chief Baron of the Excequer/ or whatever other titles he may have had.
C.E. Wood is telling us that with this other software you can do exactly that. One person, can appear in the index, under various names, and yet will remain one single record.
Will
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norenxaq
Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
Merilyn Pedrick wrote:
they did, but it's no longer supported
It all depends on how you input the information.
I use PAF, and have done since the first version came out years ago. I am
also almost sure that they do a Mac version.
they did, but it's no longer supported
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CE Wood
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
I'm not completely sure this answers your question, but in Legacy,
there is one record for each individual. You may designate any
surname you chose to be the "primary" surname, with whatever title
prefixes, given names, and title suffixes that you wish. You may add
as many alternate names as you wish. also with whatever combination of
given name, title prefix, and title suffix that you choose.
In other words, "Otto of Erlauchten" could be your chosen name for
this individual. You can designate many alternate names for the same
individual. In the Index, all names will be listed, with a "~" before
alternate surnames.
You can easily change your preferred surname with any of the alternate
surnames at any time.
AND, Otto does not have to be given a surname because names can be
searched by given name as well as by surname, The title prefixes and
suffixes show up in either search.
So, you can list him as Given name - Otto; no surname; title suffix -
der Erlauchte, By sorting the index by Given name, you will find
"Otto, der Elauchte." If you have an alternate (or chosen)
name for him with the surname of "Erlauchten," he will also be listed
as "Otto of Erlauchten" when you search on his given name of "Otto."
You can also include the alternate name (or use it as your chosen, if
you wish), of "Otto. the IIlustrious, Duke of Saxons.In this case, you
can use "Saxons" as a surname, if you wish.
As before, you do not need to have any surname, as sorting the index
by Given name will also list him as "Otto, Duke of Saxons." If you
have included "Saxons" as a last name, that will also be listed, with
the comma (depending how you wish commas to be shown in the index) in
a different place.
The program is VERY powerful, with many layers that can be modified by
the user, This, almost infinite variety of combinations is not
welcomed by all. It can be confusing. And I am a novice in the
intricacies of Legacy! However, I truly like the ability to change so
many of the variables just the way I like them to be, yet have the
ability to and ease of adjusting all those variables.
CE Wood
Otto the Illustrious, duke of the
On Aug 31, 7:35 pm, "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stew...@msn.com> wrote:
there is one record for each individual. You may designate any
surname you chose to be the "primary" surname, with whatever title
prefixes, given names, and title suffixes that you wish. You may add
as many alternate names as you wish. also with whatever combination of
given name, title prefix, and title suffix that you choose.
In other words, "Otto of Erlauchten" could be your chosen name for
this individual. You can designate many alternate names for the same
individual. In the Index, all names will be listed, with a "~" before
alternate surnames.
You can easily change your preferred surname with any of the alternate
surnames at any time.
AND, Otto does not have to be given a surname because names can be
searched by given name as well as by surname, The title prefixes and
suffixes show up in either search.
So, you can list him as Given name - Otto; no surname; title suffix -
der Erlauchte, By sorting the index by Given name, you will find
"Otto, der Elauchte." If you have an alternate (or chosen)
name for him with the surname of "Erlauchten," he will also be listed
as "Otto of Erlauchten" when you search on his given name of "Otto."
You can also include the alternate name (or use it as your chosen, if
you wish), of "Otto. the IIlustrious, Duke of Saxons.In this case, you
can use "Saxons" as a surname, if you wish.
As before, you do not need to have any surname, as sorting the index
by Given name will also list him as "Otto, Duke of Saxons." If you
have included "Saxons" as a last name, that will also be listed, with
the comma (depending how you wish commas to be shown in the index) in
a different place.
The program is VERY powerful, with many layers that can be modified by
the user, This, almost infinite variety of combinations is not
welcomed by all. It can be confusing. And I am a novice in the
intricacies of Legacy! However, I truly like the ability to change so
many of the variables just the way I like them to be, yet have the
ability to and ease of adjusting all those variables.
CE Wood
Otto the Illustrious, duke of the
Saxons, appears under the bogus name "Otto of Erlauchten", because Stuart
didn't recognise the accusative form of "der Erlauchte"
On Aug 31, 7:35 pm, "Peter Stewart" <p_m_stew...@msn.com> wrote:
"CE Wood" <wood...@msn.com> wrote in message
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"WJhonson" <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.1620.1188597141.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
My question was, can a single database record, have two, three, four
surnames all in the index, and yet all *one* record (as opposed to a
record for each combination) ?
Yes. There is only one record for that person, no matter how many
alternate names you have for that person.
My question comes from total ignorance of databases - I have never looked
into the mechanics of one. But my understanding of computer applications in
general is, "Garbage in, garbage out".
Is it true that there is only one record for an individual under different
names, unless the person entering the data knew already that it all related
to one and the same person, and linked any new fields back to the original
record for that indivual or otherwise made the connection, so they were just
entering the variations for the sake of tracking known variations, and not
in order to trace unknown relationships?
For instance, in Roderick Stuart's RFC, Otto the Illustrious, duke of the
Saxons, appears under the bogus name "Otto of Erlauchten", because Stuart
didn't recognise the accusative form of "der Erlauchte", the man's byname in
German. He didn't have a clue that this was only one person, and anyone
copying from the book into a database might not twig to the correction. How
could a database help to sort it out, unless the lines to such a confused
identity happened to come through the same descendants?
Or in other words, is there any means able to be built into databases to
identify a single person under different names, apart from the fixed
position of that individual in a specific ancestor table?
Peter Stewart
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Merilyn Pedrick
Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
It all depends on how you input the information.
I use PAF, and have done since the first version came out years ago. I am
also almost sure that they do a Mac version.
Surnames are placed between two forward slashes, like /Pedrick/ and that's
what you search on - what is between the slashes.
Where I have only a first name I put the slashes after the name, like
Mathilda //. When searching for that name you need to put a comma first,
like ,Mathilda.
Where I have Thomas, Earl of Northumberland for instance I put the name "of
Northumberland" between the slashes, so I search on "of Northumberland".
You can't search for all a person's name in the index, just what's between
the slashes. But as long as you're consistent in the way you put the names
in in the first place, it is easy enough to search for them.
I have over 20,000 names in my PAF with copious notes for most of them. I
ve never had a hiccup with it - but I do back up often on an external hard
drive.
Merilyn Pedrick
-------Original Message-------
From: WJhonson@aol.com
Date: 09/01/07 02:19:11
To: wood_ce@msn.com; gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
In a message dated 8/31/2007 9:45:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
wood_ce@msn.com writes:
Legacy Deluxe!! Hands down!
Names include:
Title Prefix
Given
Surname
Title Suffix
--------------
Do this test, import 100,000 people and then do a search on a title suffix
like "Earl of Northumberland"?
Does it not search the *entire* database. In other words, it doesn't index
these entries, it just stores them. When you search on them, it looks at
every record in your hundred thousand person database.
Surname on the other hand is indexed, and typing in Smith, will jump
directly to that section with no pause.
Will
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I use PAF, and have done since the first version came out years ago. I am
also almost sure that they do a Mac version.
Surnames are placed between two forward slashes, like /Pedrick/ and that's
what you search on - what is between the slashes.
Where I have only a first name I put the slashes after the name, like
Mathilda //. When searching for that name you need to put a comma first,
like ,Mathilda.
Where I have Thomas, Earl of Northumberland for instance I put the name "of
Northumberland" between the slashes, so I search on "of Northumberland".
You can't search for all a person's name in the index, just what's between
the slashes. But as long as you're consistent in the way you put the names
in in the first place, it is easy enough to search for them.
I have over 20,000 names in my PAF with copious notes for most of them. I
ve never had a hiccup with it - but I do back up often on an external hard
drive.
Merilyn Pedrick
-------Original Message-------
From: WJhonson@aol.com
Date: 09/01/07 02:19:11
To: wood_ce@msn.com; gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
In a message dated 8/31/2007 9:45:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
wood_ce@msn.com writes:
Legacy Deluxe!! Hands down!
Names include:
Title Prefix
Given
Surname
Title Suffix
--------------
Do this test, import 100,000 people and then do a search on a title suffix
like "Earl of Northumberland"?
Does it not search the *entire* database. In other words, it doesn't index
these entries, it just stores them. When you search on them, it looks at
every record in your hundred thousand person database.
Surname on the other hand is indexed, and typing in Smith, will jump
directly to that section with no pause.
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Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
I must say that C.E. Wood's programme sounds very adaptable.
I'm always coming across more than one entry in my database who turn out to
be the same person. Sometimes you need the names of the rest of the family
to work out that it's the same person. Once discovered it's easy enough to
merge them.
Merilyn
-------Original Message-------
From: WJhonson
Date: 09/01/07 12:29:26
To: gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
Marilyn I also use a person's most pompous sounding title (to my ear) as
their *surname* and search on it. I use PAF as you do.
The problem comes when someone on list will call a person simply Algernon
Percy, instead of Algernon Percy, 10th Earl of Northumberland.
I can't find him under Percy alone. So either I have to closely read their
message to see if they say something else helpful like "married Anne Cecil,
the daughter of the Earl of Salisbury..."
Then I can find him, by simply finding *her*.
It would be much better if I could index, in my surnames, under *both* Percy
*and* Northumberland. And for that matter as well under /Sheriff of Rutland/
or /Chief Baron of the Excequer/ or whatever other titles he may have had.
C.E. Wood is telling us that with this other software you can do exactly
that. One person, can appear in the index, under various names, and yet will
remain one single record.
Will
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I'm always coming across more than one entry in my database who turn out to
be the same person. Sometimes you need the names of the rest of the family
to work out that it's the same person. Once discovered it's easy enough to
merge them.
Merilyn
-------Original Message-------
From: WJhonson
Date: 09/01/07 12:29:26
To: gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
Marilyn I also use a person's most pompous sounding title (to my ear) as
their *surname* and search on it. I use PAF as you do.
The problem comes when someone on list will call a person simply Algernon
Percy, instead of Algernon Percy, 10th Earl of Northumberland.
I can't find him under Percy alone. So either I have to closely read their
message to see if they say something else helpful like "married Anne Cecil,
the daughter of the Earl of Salisbury..."
Then I can find him, by simply finding *her*.
It would be much better if I could index, in my surnames, under *both* Percy
*and* Northumberland. And for that matter as well under /Sheriff of Rutland/
or /Chief Baron of the Excequer/ or whatever other titles he may have had.
C.E. Wood is telling us that with this other software you can do exactly
that. One person, can appear in the index, under various names, and yet will
remain one single record.
Will
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CE Wood
Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
You do not have to use any special markings to designate a surname.
You enter whatever you wish as the surname. You can enter
"Penthièvre," "Bretagne," "Richmond," or whatever. You can find that
same record in the index by searching for any of those last names.
OR, you can click on the Given Name column, the names will then be
automatically sorted by first names, as illustrated below. You can use
"Étienne;" you can use "Stephen." They will all be listed and all
take you to that one individual's record, no matter how many names you
wish to call him.....
What I mean is, that when you click on index, you have the choice of
searching by RIN (registered indentification number, which can be
program generated, modified, or renumbered at will), by User ID, by
Given Name, or by Surname.
When in the Index, if you clock on Given Name, the given name is the
way it is sorted, I.e "Stephen."
If you click on Surname, it is sorted by Surname, i.e
"Penthièvre, Stephen I , Comte de Earl of Richmond." I also have him
as
"Bretagne, Stephen de"
"Richmond, Stephen de Bretagne, Earl of"
"Tréguier, Comte de & , Étienne I, Comte de & Lamballe"
"Lamballe, Étienne I, Comte de & Tréguier"
I could include more variations, but choose not to.
Depending on whether I click on :Given Name" or "Surname", I can find:
"Étienne I, Comte de Tréguier & Lamballe"
"Étienne I, Comte de Lamballe & Tréguier"
"Stephen de Bretagne, Earl of Richmond"
"Richmond, Stephen de Bretagne, Earl of"
"Tréguier, Étienne I, Comte de, & Lamballe"
"Lamballe, Étienne I, Comte de, & Tréguier"
Clicking on one of the Number columns puts the names in numerical
order. Then I will have all those names in sequential order (chosen
first, followed by the order in which I entered them as alternate
names) when I search for his Number.
The variations are endless. It is all what I choose.
Any report can include one or all alternate names.
I used the word "sorting" because it is a sorting function within the
Index. There is no sorting that YOU have to do. It is done
AUTOMATICALLY by the program depending on whether you choose, Number,
Given, or Surname.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 8:11 pm, "Merilyn Pedrick" <pedri...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
You enter whatever you wish as the surname. You can enter
"Penthièvre," "Bretagne," "Richmond," or whatever. You can find that
same record in the index by searching for any of those last names.
OR, you can click on the Given Name column, the names will then be
automatically sorted by first names, as illustrated below. You can use
"Étienne;" you can use "Stephen." They will all be listed and all
take you to that one individual's record, no matter how many names you
wish to call him.....
What I mean is, that when you click on index, you have the choice of
searching by RIN (registered indentification number, which can be
program generated, modified, or renumbered at will), by User ID, by
Given Name, or by Surname.
When in the Index, if you clock on Given Name, the given name is the
way it is sorted, I.e "Stephen."
If you click on Surname, it is sorted by Surname, i.e
"Penthièvre, Stephen I , Comte de Earl of Richmond." I also have him
as
"Bretagne, Stephen de"
"Richmond, Stephen de Bretagne, Earl of"
"Tréguier, Comte de & , Étienne I, Comte de & Lamballe"
"Lamballe, Étienne I, Comte de & Tréguier"
I could include more variations, but choose not to.
Depending on whether I click on :Given Name" or "Surname", I can find:
"Étienne I, Comte de Tréguier & Lamballe"
"Étienne I, Comte de Lamballe & Tréguier"
"Stephen de Bretagne, Earl of Richmond"
"Richmond, Stephen de Bretagne, Earl of"
"Tréguier, Étienne I, Comte de, & Lamballe"
"Lamballe, Étienne I, Comte de, & Tréguier"
Clicking on one of the Number columns puts the names in numerical
order. Then I will have all those names in sequential order (chosen
first, followed by the order in which I entered them as alternate
names) when I search for his Number.
The variations are endless. It is all what I choose.
Any report can include one or all alternate names.
I used the word "sorting" because it is a sorting function within the
Index. There is no sorting that YOU have to do. It is done
AUTOMATICALLY by the program depending on whether you choose, Number,
Given, or Surname.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 8:11 pm, "Merilyn Pedrick" <pedri...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
I must say that C.E. Wood's programme sounds very adaptable.
I'm always coming across more than one entry in my database who turn out to
be the same person. Sometimes you need the names of the rest of the family
to work out that it's the same person. Once discovered it's easy enough to
merge them.
Merilyn
-------Original Message-------
From: WJhonson
Date: 09/01/07 12:29:26
To: gen-medie...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Database Recommendations for Medieval Genealogy
Marilyn I also use a person's most pompous sounding title (to my ear) as
their *surname* and search on it. I use PAF as you do.
The problem comes when someone on list will call a person simply Algernon
Percy, instead of Algernon Percy, 10th Earl of Northumberland.
I can't find him under Percy alone. So either I have to closely read their
message to see if they say something else helpful like "married Anne Cecil,
the daughter of the Earl of Salisbury..."
Then I can find him, by simply finding *her*.
It would be much better if I could index, in my surnames, under *both* Percy
*and* Northumberland. And for that matter as well under /Sheriff of Rutland/
or /Chief Baron of the Excequer/ or whatever other titles he may have had.
C.E. Wood is telling us that with this other software you can do exactly
that. One person, can appear in the index, under various names, and yet will
remain one single record.
Will
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Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
You people must certainly spend a lot of time entering alternate names for
people in your database. It sounds rather anal.
Why not just choose one name and enter the other names in the Main Note OR
look them up in CP or Debrett's, et alia?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
people in your database. It sounds rather anal.
Why not just choose one name and enter the other names in the Main Note OR
look them up in CP or Debrett's, et alia?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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CE Wood
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
Mainly because so many people seem to use different names for the same
people. Once you have most of the commonly used names in your index,
you can easily find out if the person being discussed is one of
interest to you.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 9:39 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
people. Once you have most of the commonly used names in your index,
you can easily find out if the person being discussed is one of
interest to you.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 9:39 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
You people must certainly spend a lot of time entering alternate names for
people in your database. It sounds rather anal.
Why not just choose one name and enter the other names in the Main Note OR
look them up in CP or Debrett's, et alia?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
It's not really very hard to correlate the names with each other or ask the
folks who get a name wrong who they are talking about.
DSH
"CE Wood" <wood_ce@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1188622089.067121.312390@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
folks who get a name wrong who they are talking about.
DSH
"CE Wood" <wood_ce@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1188622089.067121.312390@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
Mainly because so many people seem to use different names for the same
people. Once you have most of the commonly used names in your index,
you can easily find out if the person being discussed is one of
interest to you.
CE Wood
On Aug 31, 9:39 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
You people must certainly spend a lot of time entering alternate names
for
people in your database. It sounds rather anal.
Why not just choose one name and enter the other names in the Main Note
OR
look them up in CP or Debrett's, et alia?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: Counting Descendants
"Amongst descendants" belong spouses, as otherwise there would be no next
generation. Apparently you have not grasped that fact. I wonder what Kuniko
thinks about this attitude that spouses "do not belong to a family".
Interesting attitude. De Jure Descendants (spouses) are an essential part
of any family." -- Leo van de Pas
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Leo just keeps wriggling and throwing out red herrings. Also, my wife has
no part in this discussion. He needs to leave her out of it. I'm not
talking about his boyfriends.
1. That's not what Leo originally wrote -- "...belong to a family".
2. THIS is what he wrote:
"A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant family,
I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the descendants
of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert
Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy
against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
and many others." -- Leo van de Pas
3. ALL the others named above are allegedly DESCENDANTS of a STUYVESANT.
Kirk Douglas is NOT.
4. Leo doesn't even know what a DESCENDANT is in GENEALOGY!
Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!
A self-professed Genealogist, constantly working in the English language,
who doesn't even understand what a DESCENDANT is....
Further, Leo is flummoxed, farbissen and farblondjet -- so, he wriggles,
throws out red herring strawmen and tries to move the goal posts.
His latest gaffe is in confusing Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean of New
Jersey.
Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.
Enjoy!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
generation. Apparently you have not grasped that fact. I wonder what Kuniko
thinks about this attitude that spouses "do not belong to a family".
Interesting attitude. De Jure Descendants (spouses) are an essential part
of any family." -- Leo van de Pas
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Leo just keeps wriggling and throwing out red herrings. Also, my wife has
no part in this discussion. He needs to leave her out of it. I'm not
talking about his boyfriends.
1. That's not what Leo originally wrote -- "...belong to a family".
2. THIS is what he wrote:
"A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant family,
I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the descendants
of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert
Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy
against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
and many others." -- Leo van de Pas
3. ALL the others named above are allegedly DESCENDANTS of a STUYVESANT.
Kirk Douglas is NOT.
4. Leo doesn't even know what a DESCENDANT is in GENEALOGY!
Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!
A self-professed Genealogist, constantly working in the English language,
who doesn't even understand what a DESCENDANT is....
Further, Leo is flummoxed, farbissen and farblondjet -- so, he wriggles,
throws out red herring strawmen and tries to move the goal posts.
His latest gaffe is in confusing Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean of New
Jersey.
Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.
Enjoy!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
-
Peter Stewart
Re: Counting Descendants
What a difference a day makes....
Yesterday someone (else?) called D. Spencer Hines wrote:
D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:CPLBi.104$YE3.357@eagle.america.net...
<snip>
And who thought it wouldn't last?
Peter Stewart
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:S77Ci.145$YE3.388@eagle.america.net...
Yesterday someone (else?) called D. Spencer Hines wrote:
D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:CPLBi.104$YE3.357@eagle.america.net...
That's really overly harsh.
Why can't we all just get along?
<snip>
We need to take a more collegial, inclusive attitude and not back-bite or
kvetch.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Peace And Friendship
And who thought it wouldn't last?
Peter Stewart
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:S77Ci.145$YE3.388@eagle.america.net...
"Amongst descendants" belong spouses, as otherwise there would be no next
generation. Apparently you have not grasped that fact. I wonder what
Kuniko
thinks about this attitude that spouses "do not belong to a family".
Interesting attitude. De Jure Descendants (spouses) are an essential part
of any family." -- Leo van de Pas
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Leo just keeps wriggling and throwing out red herrings. Also, my wife has
no part in this discussion. He needs to leave her out of it. I'm not
talking about his boyfriends.
1. That's not what Leo originally wrote -- "...belong to a family".
2. THIS is what he wrote:
"A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant
family,
I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the
descendants
of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert
Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy
against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
and many others." -- Leo van de Pas
3. ALL the others named above are allegedly DESCENDANTS of a STUYVESANT.
Kirk Douglas is NOT.
4. Leo doesn't even know what a DESCENDANT is in GENEALOGY!
Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!
A self-professed Genealogist, constantly working in the English language,
who doesn't even understand what a DESCENDANT is....
Further, Leo is flummoxed, farbissen and farblondjet -- so, he wriggles,
throws out red herring strawmen and tries to move the goal posts.
His latest gaffe is in confusing Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean of
New
Jersey.
Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.
Enjoy!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
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bonnie
Re: Database Recommendations For Mediaeval Genealogy
Reunion 9 -- excellent program. Mac only.
No problem with entering long titles, etc. Brad, I am sending you a
screen shot by personal email.
You can download a Demo version and check it out for yourself:
http://www.leisterpro.com/doc/demo/demo.php
Looking for some long title lines in my index, I found:
[first column] Last name:
[WALES] < entered as a 'surname' -- my personal choice to keep all
Welsh names together and easier to compare in index
[2nd column] First and Mid Name:
Llewellyn Fawr * 'The Great' ap Iowerth, Prince
Here's another long one:
[of Luxemburg] Otgiva * [dau of Frederic or his bro Giselbert]
or
de Hainault - Baldwin VI-IX (Emperor of Constantinople)
I can't find a title that doesn't 'fit'.
These name columns in the index are followed by columns for birth
date, birth place, death date, death place and spouse name-- all on
same line in the Index.
These columns are adjustable so you could have even longer titles if
needed. But all the above fits in the index on my screen. [Easier to
see in screen shot than in my description]
You can change what the columns show, should you wish different info
to show up in the Index. The Index stays open, if you wish, while you
move between people's 'cards'.
Reunion is extremely user-friendly. Should you have a question
(beyond those in Reunion Help) these are handled by a list/ website
ReunionTalk. I have never had to wait more than a couple hours to
get a response whenever I posted a question. In addition to actual
users , the programers look at the list and answer the most difficult
questions. It's so intuitive, though, questions rarely arise.
I have used Reunion over 10 years and on rare occasion (twice?) I had
some sort of weird thing happening in my database. Once it was some
black lines that didn't belong. When I described the problem on
ReunionTalk, a programer had me send in (via email or a public web
folder) a copy of my database, which was 'fixed' and returned to me
sans the problem -- I never had to wait more than 24 hours, though I
have no idea if that is the average wait. Can you beat that?
I
suspect there are very few other genealogy programs for the Mac
because Reunion has pretty much covered the bases for years without
stagnating.
I can't say enough for their customer service! They also take 'wish
lists' to heart -- suggestions from users as to what next to put into
the program.
There are many wonderful features in Reunion. The 'Note Field' for
each person holds what appears to be almost limitless notes (I cut
and paste entire 'discussions' -- of the helpful sort -- from GEN-MED
in their entirety into a person's Note Field, over the years. If you
fill one huge Note Field, you can always start a new one for the
person. Within the Note Field for the person, email addresses, web
pages, all appear as hot links. The different colors used to
differentiate multiple posters to a discussion, is maintained. I have
never run out of space to hold *any*thing I want to keep in the note
field, including graphic elements, census pages, screen-shots, etc.
Of course you can add photos easily too, and maps. Just drag
photo .jpg onto the the Note Field and it is there.
You can even take info with you into the field-- on a video iPod,
via an 'Pod card' feature! (I haven't tried this yet as I have yet to
get a newer iPod)
There is multi-language support, it exports Web pages using CSS. I
can't think of any 'negatives'--but if you come across one, let the
company know and the next version of the program may accommodate
your wish!
http://www.leisterpro.com/doc/version9/features.php
Hope the Demo version meets your needs...
Happy Reunion 9 and Mac user,
Bonnie,
Oakland, California
No problem with entering long titles, etc. Brad, I am sending you a
screen shot by personal email.
You can download a Demo version and check it out for yourself:
http://www.leisterpro.com/doc/demo/demo.php
Looking for some long title lines in my index, I found:
[first column] Last name:
[WALES] < entered as a 'surname' -- my personal choice to keep all
Welsh names together and easier to compare in index
[2nd column] First and Mid Name:
Llewellyn Fawr * 'The Great' ap Iowerth, Prince
Here's another long one:
[of Luxemburg] Otgiva * [dau of Frederic or his bro Giselbert]
or
de Hainault - Baldwin VI-IX (Emperor of Constantinople)
I can't find a title that doesn't 'fit'.
These name columns in the index are followed by columns for birth
date, birth place, death date, death place and spouse name-- all on
same line in the Index.
These columns are adjustable so you could have even longer titles if
needed. But all the above fits in the index on my screen. [Easier to
see in screen shot than in my description]
You can change what the columns show, should you wish different info
to show up in the Index. The Index stays open, if you wish, while you
move between people's 'cards'.
Reunion is extremely user-friendly. Should you have a question
(beyond those in Reunion Help) these are handled by a list/ website
ReunionTalk. I have never had to wait more than a couple hours to
get a response whenever I posted a question. In addition to actual
users , the programers look at the list and answer the most difficult
questions. It's so intuitive, though, questions rarely arise.
I have used Reunion over 10 years and on rare occasion (twice?) I had
some sort of weird thing happening in my database. Once it was some
black lines that didn't belong. When I described the problem on
ReunionTalk, a programer had me send in (via email or a public web
folder) a copy of my database, which was 'fixed' and returned to me
sans the problem -- I never had to wait more than 24 hours, though I
have no idea if that is the average wait. Can you beat that?
suspect there are very few other genealogy programs for the Mac
because Reunion has pretty much covered the bases for years without
stagnating.
I can't say enough for their customer service! They also take 'wish
lists' to heart -- suggestions from users as to what next to put into
the program.
There are many wonderful features in Reunion. The 'Note Field' for
each person holds what appears to be almost limitless notes (I cut
and paste entire 'discussions' -- of the helpful sort -- from GEN-MED
in their entirety into a person's Note Field, over the years. If you
fill one huge Note Field, you can always start a new one for the
person. Within the Note Field for the person, email addresses, web
pages, all appear as hot links. The different colors used to
differentiate multiple posters to a discussion, is maintained. I have
never run out of space to hold *any*thing I want to keep in the note
field, including graphic elements, census pages, screen-shots, etc.
Of course you can add photos easily too, and maps. Just drag
photo .jpg onto the the Note Field and it is there.
You can even take info with you into the field-- on a video iPod,
via an 'Pod card' feature! (I haven't tried this yet as I have yet to
get a newer iPod)
There is multi-language support, it exports Web pages using CSS. I
can't think of any 'negatives'--but if you come across one, let the
company know and the next version of the program may accommodate
your wish!
http://www.leisterpro.com/doc/version9/features.php
Hope the Demo version meets your needs...
Happy Reunion 9 and Mac user,
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Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
Why don't you commie bastards begin by apologising for the Soviet gulag
slavery. All of this shit about Afro-Caribbeans whose ancesters where slaves
200 years ago is rubbish, slavery in Europe only finished in the 1950's. I
know people who were actually slaves, and who survived by eating human
flesh.
"Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote in message
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slavery. All of this shit about Afro-Caribbeans whose ancesters where slaves
200 years ago is rubbish, slavery in Europe only finished in the 1950's. I
know people who were actually slaves, and who survived by eating human
flesh.
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My various Caribbean & African friends also seem to think all these
'apologies' are pathetic, meaningless and, anyway, totally
misunderstanding.
They ask, for instance, where are the apologies from the slaving African
tribes ... the Arabs (who were at it long before Europeans), etc., etc.
Do-gooding twitdom personified.
Surreyman
where are the appologies from the african chiefs who sold their "excess"
subjects into slavery.
as to the arabs. they still practice black slavery.
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Re: British Apologies For The Slave Trade
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in chains, more homos in Scot's porage oats land per square mile that Earl's
Court, by gad!
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:02:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
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My various Caribbean & African friends also seem to think all these
'apologies' are pathetic, meaningless and, anyway, totally
misunderstanding.
They ask, for instance, where are the apologies from the slaving
African
tribes ... the Arabs (who were at it long before Europeans), etc.,
etc.
Do-gooding twitdom personified.
Surreyman
where are the appologies from the african chiefs who sold their
"excess"
subjects into slavery.
as to the arabs. they still practice black slavery.
Are you implying that the US doesn't, in its own inimitable way?
yes.
while scotland is an enslaved country
don't get me wrong. there are plenty of fine scotsman , jackie stewart
and
craig ferguson come to mind.
dario franchitti too. but on the whole the scots at best serfs to their
english overlords.
Serfs you say! Christ I'd better write to the Prime Minister and complain.
But then again Gordon Brown is Scottish, as is a fair percentage of the
cabinet, so no point moaning to him. Ok I'll write to the opposition
leaders instead! Maybe Menzies Campbell would help. Oh no! The leader of
the Lib Dems is Scottish too. Can't moan to him. So the only one left is
the leader of the Tory Party but David Cameron, doesn't that sound a tad
Scottish too? Well blow me down Dave's auld faither is frae Inverness! He
always did say that Dave, being a serf, would never get on in English
politics..........at least no further than leader of the official
opposition. Ach well Michael Ancram only got to deputy leader of the
Tories so I'd best write to their last leader. After all the last two
Labour leaders were both born in Scotland and the one before that was a
serf too - though a Welsh serf! Then the Lib Dems. Their last leader was
also a Scot! The one before that was a mixture but more Irish than
anything else. The the one before that! Oh no that was wee Steely, another
bloody Scot.
Right then I'll go right to the top and complain to Betty Windsor. But
then again I suppose being Scottish never did her mum any harm either.
Allan
Scotland certainly is a slave country, all of them Scotch homo bondage boys
in chains, more homos in Scot's porage oats land per square mile that Earl's
Court, by gad!