From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com
Date: 2007/01/28 Sun PM 11:18:06 EST
To:
gen-medieval@rootsweb.comSubject: Mother of Hawise de Muscegros
Dear Newsgroup ~
Hawise de Muscegros (living 1340), wife successively of William de
Mortimer, John de Ferrers, Knt., 1st Lord Ferrers of Chartley, and
John de Bures, Knt., is identified in most secondary sources as the
daughter of Robert de Muscegros, Knt. (died 1280), of Stowell, Norton,
and Charlton Musgrove, Somerset, by his surviving wife, Agnes de
Ferrers. Hawise was certainly the daughter and heiress of Sir Robert
de Muscegros. However, had Hawise been Agnes de Ferrers' daughter,
Hawise would have been a first cousin to her second husband, John de
Ferrers, which kinship would surely have barred marriage between the
parties due to church laws governing consanguinity. Significantly,
Hawise and John did obtain a papal dispensation for their marriage,
but only because John de Ferrers was related in the third degree
(i.e., 2nd cousin) to Hawise's first husband, William de Mortimer. No
mention was made of any kinship between Hawise and John in the
dispensation, presumably because none existed. As further evidence
that Hawise was not Agnes' daughter, it may be noted that late in
life, Agnes de Ferrers alienated her maritagium at Chinnor,
Oxfordshire to an unrelated party, which action is typical of a
childless widow in this period (see Hatton, Book of Seals (1950):
64). If Agnes had issue, under normal circumstances, she would have
retained Chinnor and passed it on her death to her descendants.
So who then was Hawise de Muscegros' mother? My belief is that Hawise
was the daughter of Robert de Muscegros, Knt., by an unknown 1st wife,
either Emme or Agnes, two untraced daughters of Patrick de Chaworth,
of Kempsford, Gloucestershire, by his wife, Hawise de London. The
reason I suggest this affiliation is because I've noticed on more than
one occasion that Sir Robert de Muscegros appears in various records
with members of the Chaworth family, including Robert de Tibetot,
husband of Eve de Chaworth, the third daughter of Patrick de Chaworth
and Hawise de London.
For interest's sake, I've copied below an abstract of an ancient
petition found in the National Archives catalogue (http://
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp). The petition is
dated c.1321, but it refers back to a charter granted much earlier by
Thomas de Clare to Robert de Muscegros dated 13 May 1276. The charter
was granted just prior to the birth of Hawise de Muscegros which took
place on 21 Dec. 1276.
The charter appears to have been witnessed by Pain de Chaworth (son of
Patrick and Hawise) and Robert de Tibetot (son-in-law of Patrick and
Hawise). If Robert de Muscegros' wife was also a Chaworth, the
appearance of these two men as witnesses to this grant would make good
sense.
Until firm conclusions can be reached in this matter, further research
is needed. For now, I simply wish to point out the speculative
possibility that Hawise de Muscegros' mother may have been a
Chaworth. If correct, then Hawise de Muscegros would have been named
for her maternal grandmother, Hawise de London.
Comments are invited.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake Cty, Utah
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SC 8/181/9024
Scope and content
Petitioners: Edmund de Keynes and Joan [de Keynes], his wife.
Addressees: King.
Places mentioned: Alvescot, [Oxfordshire]; Hampstead Norris,
[Berkshire]; Aldworth, [Berkshire]; Compton, [Berkshire]; Coddesmore
(Cottesmore), [Oxfordshire]; Bonreth (Bunratty) Castle, [County Clare,
Ireland]; Tredory (Tradery) cantred, [County Clare, Ireland]; Ocoromok
(Ui-Corbmaig), [County Clare, Ireland].
Other people mentioned: William de Bereford; John de Bures; Hawise [de
Bures], wife of John de Bures; Edward [I], King of England; Robert
Mussegros (Musgros), father of Hawise de Bures; William de Mershton,
attorney; Thomas de Clare; [Robert Burnell], Bishop of Bath and Wells,
chancellor; [Walter of Merton], Bishop of Rochester; William de
Valence, [Earl of Pembroke]; Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and
Essex; Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln; William de Bello Campo
(Beauchamp), Earl of Warwick; Pagano (Payn) de Cadurco (Chaworth);
Robert de Tybetot.
Nature of request: [This document is badly stained, faded and damaged
in places, and large sections are now illegible.]
The petitioners seek remedy regarding a court case between them and
John and Hawise de Bures, seemingly over the manor of Alvescot.
Following a writ of cosinage, Hawise appeared and showed the charter
of the gift of various manors and lands in England and Ireland to her
father, Robert de Musgros, by Thomas de Clare (transcribed). Further
details of the case follow, taken from the plea roll, and another,
fuller copy of the royal charter relating to the agreement between
Clare and Musgros (witnesses named).
Endorsement: Have a writ of chancery to the justices [...] and do
right to the parties according to law and custom [...] the said
allegation or the said charter.
Covering dates [c. 1321]
Note: The petition clearly dates to the reign of Edward II, since the
charter transcribed in the lower portion of the document, referred to
earlier as having been made by the king's father, is dated 13 May
1276. The legal proceedings are taken from the roll for Hilary term
in what appears to be the king's fourteenth year (the number is
damaged, and may possibly be fifteenth), and since this is also
presumably Edward II, this would seem to date the petition to the
period around 1321. Unfortunately large sections of the petition are
now partially or totally illegible.
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