Carcassonne and more?

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Leo van de Pas

Carcassonne and more?

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 24. februar 2008 kl. 6.41

Bello, probably a Visigoth, was the first known count of Carcassonne. He was probably born to a noble family of Conflent (possibly the son of Siegebert V, count of Razes) which was loyal to the Carolingians.

Bello stands at the head of a dynasty which reached its apex in Wifredo I 'el Velloso' (the Hairy), conde de Barcelona, himself usually regarded as the progenitor of the House of Barcelona.

Bello had four sons by an unknown wife(s) : Guisclafred, his successor in Carcassonne, and Sunifred I, count of Barcelona, Oliva I, count of Carcassonne and Synyer I of Ampurias, count of Empuries.

Bello is mentioned in 812, which may have been close toi the year of his death. When Bello died, his sons partitioned his domains between them, according to the eldest the chief city of Carcassonne. He was succeeded after a short reign by his brother Oliva.

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Can anyone add anything to the above? If he died about or after 812, my guess is he could have been born about 750. If he is a son of Siegebert V of Razes that would take us back even further in time. Bello lived a long time ago and may not seem interesting but over the years he has became an ancestor of many many people. Here is one group:

Genealogists :
Michael Andrews-Reading - Gordon Banks - Brice Clagett - James Cummings - Ian Fettes - Gordon R Hale Jr. - Tony Hoskins - Will Johnson - Peter de Loriol - Doug McDonald - Andrew McEwen - George Andrews Moriarty - Brom Nichol Jr. - Merilyn Pedrick - Tim Powys-Lybbe - John Ravilious - William Addams Reitwiesner - Douglas Richardson - Gary Boyd Roberts - Walter Sheppard Jr - Don Stone - Nat Taylor - Hans Vogels - Michael Welch.

With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Peter Stewart

Re: Carcassonne and more?

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 24. februar 2008 kl. 7.49

"Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.3898.1203831765.4586.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
Bello, probably a Visigoth, was the first known count of
Carcassonne. He was probably born to a noble family of
Conflent (possibly the son of Siegebert V, count of Razes)
which was loyal to the Carolingians.

Bello stands at the head of a dynasty which reached its apex
in Wifredo I 'el Velloso' (the Hairy), conde de Barcelona,
himself usually regarded as the progenitor of the House of
Barcelona.

Bello had four sons by an unknown wife(s) : Guisclafred, his
successor in Carcassonne, and Sunifred I, count of Barcelona,
Oliva I, count of Carcassonne and Synyer I of Ampurias, count
of Empuries.

Bello is mentioned in 812, which may have been close toi the year
of his death. When Bello died, his sons partitioned his domains
between them, according to the eldest the chief city of Carcassonne.
He was succeeded after a short reign by his brother Oliva.

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Can anyone add anything to the above?

I'm afraid it's more a question of subtracting from the above - we don't
know for certain that Sunifred I of Barcelona, Oliba I of Carcassonne and
Sunyer I of Empuries were sons of Bello. (Alaric of Empuries & Perelada is
another count sometimes added to the list of his supposed sons).

The origins of Sunifred I of Barcelona in particular have been much debated,
over centuries: he might for all we know have been a son-in-law of Bello, or
perhaps unrelated. The comital family descended from Sunifred through his
son Wifred the Hairy is often referred to as the "Bellonid" dynasty, but
this is not established from proof.

Peter Stewart

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