PALMER and PELHAM

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PALMER and PELHAM

Legg inn av R C » 10 feb 2008 23:51:26

"The baronetage of England, or, The history of the English baronets, and
such", 1801, p. 211, in an article headed, "Palmer of Wingham, Kent", states
that



"1. Ralph Palmer was a possessor of a great estate in the county of Sussex
in 1307, whose son,

2. John Palmer married a daughter of Sir John PELHAM, K.B., sheriff of
Sussex and Surrey."



I wonder if anyone can supply details of the daughter's name or of her
father and mother and tell me where Sir John PELHAM, K.B. fits into the
Sussex family of Pelham, now Earls of Chichester? The printed lineage of the
Earl's family skips the generations between Sir William Pelham, who married
1stly Mary daughter of Sir Richard Carew of Beddington, Surrey, and his
lineal ancestor, "Sir John Pelham, K.B., M.P., constable of Pevensey Castle"
(fl. temp. Henry IV), who may or may not be identical with the Sir John
PELHAM cited in the Palmer pedigree.



Many thanks in advance,



Richard

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Re: PALMER and PELHAM

Legg inn av Gjest » 11 feb 2008 00:39:01

On Feb 11, 10:12 am, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
I suspect the Palmer pedigree in the 1801 Baronetage is (at best)
garbled and elliptic.

The 1530 Visitation of Sussex has a pedigree for the Palmer family as
well (pp 23-24).

This pedigree may well be the origin of the Baronetage's assertions,
for it starts with "Ralffe Palmer ff 1307" who is given a son "John
Palmer married daughter of Sir John Pelham".

If there is any truth to this early generation, the Sir John Pelham
named cannot be the Knight of the Bath who was active under Henry IV -
nor indeed can he have been a KB, for that class of knighthoods dates
only from 1399.

An earlier pedigree for the Sussex Pelhams is offered in 'Sussex
Archaeological Collections', 1830, p 214, but I note that it conflicts
with what ODNB has to say about the elder Sir John Pelham's parentage:

1. Walter de Pelham, died 1292
2. Walter de Pelham, ff 28 Edward I [1299-1300]
3. Thomas de Pelham, ff 2 Edward II [1308-1309]
4. Thomas de Pelham of Warbleton, ff 1346
5. Sir John Pelham, fought at Poitiers, ff 1380; buried in Canterbury
Cathedral
6. Sir John Pelham, KB, MP, died 1429 [see ODNB - which states he was
buried at Robertsbridge Abbey].

Which is correct, I know not. But in any case, this pedigree does not
include a 'Sir John Pelham' of the period the 1530 Visitation
ostensibly refers to.

MA-R

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