From: "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval, soc.history.medieval,
alt.history.british,alt.talk.royalty
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Children of Isabel of England (Died 1241),Wife of Emperor
Frederick II
atsarisborn@hotmail.com wrote:
Perhaps you have a pair of scissors to hand them?
No, but how was Manfred "conceived in adultery"? Who was married to
whom [or possibly vice versa - vide supra...]?
Manfred was conceived and, indeed, born to Bianca Lancia when she was
mistress of the Emperor while his third Empress, Isabel of England,
was still alive. He married her -- if he married her -- and he may
have regarded the marriage as legitimate without the Church, his
bitter enemy, doing so as well -- after Isabel's death, and then
legitimized their children. Nonetheless, Manfred was not regarded as
legitimate enough to become a reigning sovereign on his father's
death, as both Frederick's other legitimate sons did. He eventually
usurped the throne of Sicily after their deaths.
The Wikipedia - which Douglas says is confused - gives dates of birth, and
dates of death of mothers in childbirth, which don't tie up with your
account - i.e. that Bianca died before Frederick married Isabella (who was
considerably younger).
--
John Briggs
In this instance Wikpedia must be dreadful if you conclude that:
If Emperor Friedrich on _his_ deathbed married Bianca, was that before he
married Isabella?
Yolande de Brienne married Friedrich 9 November 1225 and died 8 May 1228
Isabella of England married Friedrich 20 July 1235 and died 1 December 1241
Manfred was born in 1232, in between the two marriages
Friedrich II died 13 December 1250
Bianca Lancia, what I found about her was "It is not known when she died
other than that she survived the Emperor.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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