New ? line of royal descendants?

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Leo van de Pas

New ? line of royal descendants?

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 13 des 2007 22:16:19

The following line fell into place after someone produced a link for me.

Charles II, King of England
/
Charles Beauclerk, 1.Duke of St.Albans
/
Lord William Beauclerk
/
Charlotte Beauclerk
/
Jane Drummond married in 1776 Richard Bethel Cox
/
Richard Henry Cox, of Hillingdon Court, married Charlotte FitzHugh
/
Frederick William Cox, married Fanny Pitt-Rivers, daughter of 3rd Baron Rivers
/
Frederick Cox 1835-1913 married Mabel Eden and they had six children.

I was hopeful to find more detailed information about this Cox family, especially as I found that the second son of Frederick Cox and Mabel Eden had become a Baronet. But no such luck. In Burke's Peerage 1925 this baronet (created Baronet in 1921 and died in 1922) was only mentioned because his widow was still alive. However there was a mention that this family was recorded in Burke's Landed Gentry. I have the 1937 edition but there was no entry to be found, even though the Baronet's younger brother Algernon Charles Cox lived on until 1943 and had married in 1901.

Does anyone have more detailed information? Did this family die out in the male line? According to my system, Richard Henry Cox is a descendant of King Edward III in at least 33 different lines.
With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

the_verminator@comcast.ne

Re: New ? line of royal descendants?

Legg inn av the_verminator@comcast.ne » 14 des 2007 02:31:02

On Dec 13, 3:16 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
The following line fell into place after someone produced a link for me.

Charles II, King of England
/
Charles Beauclerk, 1.Duke of St.Albans
/
Lord William Beauclerk
/
Charlotte Beauclerk
/
Jane Drummond married in 1776 Richard Bethel Cox
/
Richard Henry Cox, of Hillingdon Court, married Charlotte FitzHugh
/
Frederick William Cox, married Fanny Pitt-Rivers, daughter of 3rd Baron Rivers
/
Frederick Cox 1835-1913 married Mabel Eden and they had six children.

I was hopeful to find more detailed information about this Cox family, especially as I found that the second son of Frederick Cox and Mabel Eden had become a Baronet. But no such luck. In Burke's Peerage 1925 this baronet (created Baronet in 1921 and died in 1922) was only mentioned because his widow was still alive. However there was a mention that this family was recorded in Burke's Landed Gentry. I have the 1937 edition but there was no entry to be found, even though the Baronet's younger brother Algernon Charles Cox lived on until 1943 and had married in 1901.

Does anyone have more detailed information? Did this family die out in the male line? According to my system, Richard Henry Cox is a descendant of King Edward III in at least 33 different lines.
With many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Leo,

I don't know how much this will help but found this....

1935: Edmund Charles COX, 15th Baronet COX [1935 is date of death].

wjhonson

Re: New ? line of royal descendants?

Legg inn av wjhonson » 14 des 2007 03:10:03

On Dec 13, 1:16 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
The following line fell into place after someone produced a link for me.

Charles II, King of England
/
Charles Beauclerk, 1.Duke of St.Albans
/
Lord William Beauclerk
/

As is typical, I went looking for one thing and found quite another
but very interesting to me and hopefully to others.

The wife of Charles Beauclerk above and mother of Lord William was a
lady named Diana de Vere, she was the daughter of Aubrey, the 20th
Earl of Oxford by his wife Diana Kirke.

I don't have the Kirke name in my database at all, which made me
curious who *she* was that she snagged an Earl.

You can see here
http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php ... 6&tree=LEO
what Leo is currently showing as to ancestry for this Lady.

Diana Kirke's parents were not just some old George Kirke who happened
to be laying about, but rather that George Kirke who was Gentleman of
the Robes to Charles I and Groom of the Bedchamber to Charles II. I
did note one source calling him "notorious" but didn't investigate as
to why.

George was dead by 1675 (not necessarily *in* 1675), because his widow
was that year drawing a pension from the King.

George Kirke married twice. By his second wife Mary Townshend (living
in 1675 as I have said), daughter of *that* Aurelian Townshend who was
quite famous in his day and who has a Wikipedia article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurelian_Townshend

For proof that Mary was his daughter see
http://books.google.com/books?id=Gio8AA ... orge+Kirke
DNB, "Kirke, Percy (1646? - 1691)"

Diana Kirke's brother was that Lt Gen Percy Kirke above who m Mary
Howard, dau of George Howard, 4th Earl of Suffolk by his first wife
Catherine Allen. Percy and Mary had a son who was also a Lt Gen and
also named Percy Kirke (1684-1741).

Now back to the cow.
George Kirke is more interesting to me because of his *first* wife.
She was none other than that Anne Killigrew (1607-41) (married in
1627) who was the dresser for Queen Henrietta-Maria

So all in all this family moved in court circles quite well.

Anne was daughter of Sir Robert Killigrew (died 1633) by his wife Mary
Woodhouse, whose eldest son William Killigrew was baptised 28 May 1606
at Hanworth, Middlesex. Robert and Mary had 12 children all together
although only nine survived to adulthood.

One of the more famous was, that Elizabeth Killigrew (1622-1681) who m
to Francis Boyle, Viscount Shannon (born 1623 - died 1699)

The family reached their penultimate peak, most likely by her
relationship with Charles II himself, which resulted in Charlotte
Jemima Henrietta Boyle who married James Howard firstly and then
William Paston, 2nd Earl of Yarmouth.

Quite a nice new connection for Leo and myself, since Elizabeth
Killigrew is seven steps from Richard Cecil.

Will Johnson

wjhonson

Re: New ? line of royal descendants?

Legg inn av wjhonson » 14 des 2007 03:50:04

There is another connection just on the edge of something here.

The Tate researcher who posted this
http://www.tate.org.uk/research/tateres ... _paper.htm

refers to Cecelia (Crofts) Killigrew as wife to Thomas as having
recently died around 1638 ish

I don't have any person like that in my database, so I went looking
and found this
http://books.google.com/books?id=4sAMAA ... +Killigrew

which identifies her as daughter of Sir John Crofts, and more usefully
as sister of the Countess of Cleveland who has also recently died.

We recognize the latter as Anne Crofts who married Thomas 4th Baron
Wentworth of Nettlestead and 1st Earl of Cleveland (cr 1626), "eldest
son" of Henry, 3rd Lord Wentworth by his wife Dorothy Hopton.

So that Cecelia (Crofts) Killigrew as her sister, must be daughter of
Mary Shirley who has a royal descent in 12 steps.

Will Johnson

wjhonson

Re: New ? line of royal descendants?

Legg inn av wjhonson » 14 des 2007 03:51:02

Evidently Thomas Killigrew was quite famous !

http://books.google.com/books?id=4sAMAA ... +Killigrew

wjhonson

Re: New ? line of royal descendants?

Legg inn av wjhonson » 14 des 2007 04:05:04

On Dec 13, 6:49 pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
Evidently Thomas Killigrew was quite famous !

http://books.google.com/books?id=4sAMAA ... elia+cro...


*And* he takes up several pages in the DNB

http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/view ... igrew&cr=1

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