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JohnB

Nottingham of Ridley Scott

Legg inn av JohnB » 08 des 2007 16:55:04

Scott is to direct an adaptation of Robin Hood called Nottingham in which
Russell Crowe will portray the Sheriff of Nottingham.

Does someone know during which period of time the story will take place?
Richard I or Edward II-Edward III?

The period of EdwardII-EdIII is more likely to be the frame of the Robin
Hood stories.
The characters who had inspired the anonymous author of the gest seem to
belong to the end of the Edawrd II 's chaotic reign.

John B

John Townsend

Re: Nottingham of Ridley Scott

Legg inn av John Townsend » 09 des 2007 11:51:55

Many of the characters are fictional. If any are plausible, the Sheriff of
Nottingham must be one. Robert of Wetherby was hanged by him in 1225.

Best wishes,

John Townsend
Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk

Scott is to direct an adaptation of Robin Hood called Nottingham in which
Russell Crowe will portray the Sheriff of Nottingham.

Does someone know during which period of time the story will take place?
Richard I or Edward II-Edward III?

The period of EdwardII-EdIII is more likely to be the frame of the Robin
Hood stories.
The characters who had inspired the anonymous author of the gest seem to
belong to the end of the Edawrd II 's chaotic reign.

John B

JohnB

Re: Nottingham of Ridley Scott

Legg inn av JohnB » 09 des 2007 14:31:02

John Townsend <john@johntownsend.demon.co.uk> a écrit dans le message :
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Many of the characters are fictional. If any are plausible, the Sheriff
of
Nottingham must be one. Robert of Wetherby was hanged by him in 1225.

Best wishes,

John Townsend
Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk


I agree, many of the characters are fictional but they all are inspired by
real facts.
We can wonder where the anonymous author of the gest got his inspiration and
also what was his purpose.
It 's likely that Robin hood was refering to a kind of outlaw trying to hide
his identity under a hood in middle age.
Also Robin as nick name for Robert was very popular and Robin could be
anyone.
It was may be a popular image of the outlaw circulating since a while
inYorkshire and Nottinghamshire at that time.
But the original author of the gest of Robin Hood was a man, a kind of
lawyer, from midlands in mid to end of XIVth century according to the
analysis of the dialect used and the scenario, see specialist like Child
James,or Clawson, William Hall.
Several references to "Edward our cumly kynge" reject a context of the
original gest at the time of King Richard I or Henry III in 1225.
see a very good article on the subject by Thomas H. Ohlgren
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ohlgren/RobinHood/JEGP.htm

John Townsend

Re: Nottingham of Ridley Scott

Legg inn av John Townsend » 09 des 2007 15:43:41

Several references to "Edward our cumly kynge" reject a context of the
original gest at the time of King Richard I or Henry III in 1225.

Maybe they do, but I don't see that they reject the existence of Robin Hood
in 1225. Isn't the "original gest" a different matter?

Yours,

John Townsend
Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk

JohnB

Re: Nottingham of Ridley Scott

Legg inn av JohnB » 09 des 2007 20:00:08

John Townsend <john@johntownsend.demon.co.uk> a écrit dans le message :
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Several references to "Edward our cumly kynge" reject a context of the
original gest at the time of King Richard I or Henry III in 1225.

Maybe they do, but I don't see that they reject the existence of Robin
Hood
in 1225. Isn't the "original gest" a different matter?

Yours,

I don't think.

The original gest is the starting point for Robin Hood 's particular
popularity with the sherwood forest, the sheriff of Nottingham, the archery
contest and so on but also there is the new wrong role of the church and
the justice with the bad abbot and the sheriff.
The gest of the Anonymous author is the main body of the Robin 's myth.
And probably if the gest had been written in 1225, the Robin Hood 's story
would have been totaly different.
See, there is a huge difference between the king Arthur 's theme and Robin
Hood 's ones.
Perceval was written by Chretien de Troyes in 1190 during the king Richard I
time.
At that time the church was not a questionable matter where an hero could
rob a monk.
So I don't even think that a Robin Hood, as described in the Gest, would
have been popular at that time.

Regards,
John B.

John Townsend

Re: Nottingham of Ridley Scott

Legg inn av John Townsend » 09 des 2007 20:25:49

We will have to agree to differ on this. Assuming that there was such a
historical person as Robin Hood, then it seems to me quite likely that his
actions - and perhaps his martyrdom - were the genesis of the stories,
rather than the gest which could have been secondary and subsequent.

Best wishes,

John Townsend
Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk

The original gest is the starting point for Robin Hood 's particular
popularity with the sherwood forest, the sheriff of Nottingham, the
archery
contest and so on but also there is the new wrong role of the church and
the justice with the bad abbot and the sheriff.
The gest of the Anonymous author is the main body of the Robin 's myth.
And probably if the gest had been written in 1225, the Robin Hood 's story
would have been totaly different.
See, there is a huge difference between the king Arthur 's theme and Robin
Hood 's ones.
Perceval was written by Chretien de Troyes in 1190 during the king Richard
I
time.
At that time the church was not a questionable matter where an hero could
rob a monk.
So I don't even think that a Robin Hood, as described in the Gest, would
have been popular at that time.

Regards,
John B.

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Nottingham Of Ridley Scott

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 09 des 2007 21:02:38

Who's playing Robin Hood in the Ridley Scott film, starring Russell Crowe as
the Sheriff of Nottingham?

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Ray O'Hara

Re: Nottingham Of Ridley Scott

Legg inn av Ray O'Hara » 09 des 2007 22:22:18

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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Who's playing Robin Hood in the Ridley Scott film, starring Russell Crowe
as
the Sheriff of Nottingham?

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas



see here.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0955308/fullcredits#cast

JohnB

Re: Nottingham of Ridley Scott

Legg inn av JohnB » 09 des 2007 23:43:58

If the Robin Hood had been a real hero, we would have plenty of information
related to Robin Hood in different rolls and this is not the case.
There is a Robin Hood, found in Wakefield Court Roll around 1300, who is a
real person. But it's very light.

It 's more likely that the anonimous author of the Gest had used the Robin
Hood character to denounce injustice from greedy church and to show the
local powerfull men ridiculous and unfair around 1350.
The anonymous author was certainly expressing the feeling shared by numerous
people of a precise social layer
who were very pleased to hear such story expressing their disapprouval
without being identified.
And this feeling is so well rendered that the message is still the same
perceived nowadays.

Regards.
John B.

John Townsend <john@johntownsend.demon.co.uk> a écrit dans le message :
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We will have to agree to differ on this. Assuming that there was such a
historical person as Robin Hood, then it seems to me quite likely that his
actions - and perhaps his martyrdom - were the genesis of the stories,
rather than the gest which could have been secondary and subsequent.

Best wishes,

John Townsend
Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk

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