Trevanion of Cornwall

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Trevanion of Cornwall

Legg inn av dunsland@yahoo.com » 05 des 2007 13:06:02

I read in a secondary source that the Wyse or Wise family of Lezant in
Cornwall and later Stoke Damerell in Devon descend on the female line
from a John Trevanion who lived in Cornwall in the fourteenth century.
I am trying to find any corroboration for this claim and also the
point of the connection of the Wises to the Trevanions. The source I
read stated that a daughter of John Trevanion married a Serlo Wyse.
These Wyses _may_ have been early MPs but as I do not have the work
concerned to hand at present I cannot elaborate further on this.
Is anyone able to assist with either family or to point me in the
right direction?
Thanks,
Mark.

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Re: Trevanion of Cornwall

Legg inn av dunsland@yahoo.com » 06 des 2007 10:16:36

I can now add the following additional information, which comes from
the secondary source that I have mentioned:

John Wyse, born about 1377 in Stoke Damarell, was an MP for Devon
1411-1422, and is described in the source as a younger son of Serle
Wyse of Greystone in Lezant. John married twice, firstly to a daughter
of John Milliton of Meavy near Yelverton, and remarried before 1425 to
a widow Contance, nee Coffyn.
John's son Thomas was also an MP 1427-1450.

John is described as having an elder brother named Oliver, and both of
these men as being children of Serle Wyse by his wife Isobel
Trevanion. Oliver died before 16 Nov 1420, leaving a son Thomas aged 2
years who was placed in the guardianship of his uncle the said John
Wyse.

My source claims that Isobel was the wife of Serle in 1334, although
it acknowledges that this date is inconsistent with a claimed year of
birth for John of 1377. It claims that these dates were derived from a
recent history of the House of Commons, at volume 4 p 62. I do not
have access to this work and hence cannot check the same. Isobel is
subsequently described in my source as a daughter of a John Trevanion
who it says was Justice of Common pleas temp. Edward III.

From what I have read of the Trevanions, there was more than one John
in the early-mid fouteenth century family and I dio not know which one
is Isobel's father. I also do not recall seeing a Wyse connection in
the Trevanion visitation pedigree as published by J. L. Vivian. I also
cannot see how a couple recorded in 1334 could be the parents of
either a man said to be born in 1377, or of another who died in 1420
leaving a two year old son. Presumably there is a generation or two
missing from the Wise pedigree at this point.

As I indicated in my previous post, I would appreciate any information
on, or possible sources for, this family or their connections.

Mark

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Re: Trevanion of Cornwall

Legg inn av dunsland@yahoo.com » 06 des 2007 10:36:02

Further to my earlier post, I can now add the following, all of which
comes from the secondary source that I mentioned:

John Wyse, born about 1377 at Stoke Damarell, was an MP from
1411-1422. He married firstly to a daughter of a John Milliton of
Meavy near Yelverton, and then remarried to a widow Constance, nee
Coffyn. His son Thomas was also an MP, from 1427-1450.

John and his older brother Oliver were children of a Serle Wyse of
Greystone in Lezant. Oliver inherited the family lands and when he
died before 16 Nov 1420, his son and heir Thomas, then aged rwo years,
was placed in the custody of his uncle the said John.

Serle is said to have been the husband of an Isobel Trevanion in 1334.
She in turn is described as the daughter of a John Trevanion who was a
Justice of Common Pleas temp. Edward III.

A recent history of the House of Commons, volume 4 p 62 is cited as a
source for information on the family. I do not have access to this
work however.

From what I have been able to find out about the Trevanions, which
unfortunately is not a lot, it seems that there was more than one John
Trevanion in the early to mid fourteenth century, and hence I do not
know which might be Isobel's father. I also could not find any Wyse
connection in the visitation pedigree for the Trevanion family as
published by J L Vivian.

I also cannot see how a man said to have been born in about 1377, and
another who died in 1420 leaving a son then aged only 2 years, could
be the children of a couple already married by 1334. It therefore
seems to me that there must be at least one, maybe two generations
missing from the Wyse pedigree at this point.

As indicated in my earlier post, if anyone can assist with information
on either family, or on likely sources for the same, it would be much
appreciated.

Thanks
Mark

dunsland@yahoo.com

Re: Trevanion of Cornwall

Legg inn av dunsland@yahoo.com » 06 des 2007 10:40:02

Further to my earlier post, I can now add the following, all of which
comes from the secondary source that I mentioned:

John Wyse, born about 1377 at Stoke Damarell, was an MP from
1411-1422. He married firstly to a daughter of a John Milliton of
Meavy near Yelverton, and then remarried to a widow Constance, nee
Coffyn. His son Thomas was also an MP, from 1427-1450.

John and his older brother Oliver were children of a Serle Wyse of
Greystone in Lezant. Oliver inherited the family lands and when he
died before 16 Nov 1420, his son and heir Thomas, then aged rwo years,
was placed in the custody of his uncle the said John.

Serle is said to have been the husband of an Isobel Trevanion in 1334.
She in turn is described as the daughter of a John Trevanion who was a
Justice of Common Pleas temp. Edward III.

A recent history of the House of Commons, volume 4 p 62 is cited as a
source for information on the family. I do not have access to this
work however.

From what I have been able to find out about the Trevanions, which
unfortunately is not a lot, it seems that there was more than one John
Trevanion in the early to mid fourteenth century, and hence I do not
know which might be Isobel's father. I also could not find any Wyse
connection in the visitation pedigree for the Trevanion family as
published by J L Vivian.

I also cannot see how a man said to have been born in about 1377, and
another who died in 1420 leaving a son then aged only 2 years, could
be the children of a couple already married by 1334. It therefore
seems to me that there must be at least one, maybe two generations
missing from the Wyse pedigree at this point.

As indicated in my earlier post, if anyone can assist with information
on either family, or on likely sources for the same, it would be much
appreciated.

Thanks
Mark

dunsland@yahoo.com

Re: Trevanion of Cornwall

Legg inn av dunsland@yahoo.com » 06 des 2007 11:51:02

Sorry about the multiple postings, I was having problems with the
computer and as far as I was aware none of the previous three had gone
through.
M

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Re: Trevanion of Cornwall

Legg inn av dunsland@yahoo.com » 07 des 2007 10:40:03

On Dec 6, 8:36 pm, "dunsl...@yahoo.com" <dunsl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Further to my earlier post, I can now add the following, all of which
comes from the secondary source that I mentioned:

This was "Pathways to Medieval Ancestry: the ancestry of Dorset
White", by Alan Nineham, published by Penboscot Preess c. 2003
Thanks
Mark

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Re: Trevanion of Cornwall

Legg inn av dunsland@yahoo.com » 10 des 2007 08:55:05

I have found some additional information on the family, which does not
answer the questions asked in my original post, but does confirm that
in 1334 "Serlo Wyse, junior" and Isabel "daughter of John de
Trevaignon" were claimants against a Serlo Wyse "senior" for lands in
the Cornish parishes of Landrake, South Petherwin, Luxulyan, Lezant,
St Columb Major, Merryn, & St Wenn. We also find at the same time that
"Serlo Wyse senior and Matilda his wife" were claimants for lands in
Lezant, Lawhitton, Trewen, South Petherwin and St Keverne, as well as
the manor of "Benteweyn" (Pentuan in St Austell) with remainder for
all of these to Serlo junior and "the heirs he shall have begotten by"
the said Isabel.

References : Coonwall Feet of Fines nos. 528-530.

Interesting also in two of these three fines, as well as in some
subseuqent but unrelated ones, that one of the sitting justices is a
John de Trevaignon.

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