The Longespée parentage of Roger de Meulan, Bishop of Covent

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M.Sjostrom

The Longespée parentage of Roger de Meulan, Bishop of Covent

Legg inn av M.Sjostrom » 04 des 2007 07:10:04

In my view, chronology of bishop Roger being son of
Maurice IV de Nevers, lord of Craon, and his wife
Isabella of Lusignan, half-sister of king Henry III
and earl Richard, fits fairly well and is no
impediment.

Isabella's father married her mother in c1217.

There are good estimates when Maurice IV and Isabella
at least lived in marriage: from at least early 1240s
to c1250, Maurice's death.

There can easily be a son, born c1245, who would be 12
years old when becoming bishop in 1257, and because of
his age, in need of that master taking his place as
administrator of bishopric.

Consecration, if it was in 1259, was possibly
performed when the young bishop was still underage.
Yes, there could be canonical impediments agaimnst
such - ? but were they always observed, in reality
rather than in breach. When a royal relative is in
question.

However, stretching the chronology to its possible
extremes, a son of Isabella could even reach his
majority in 1259. But I do not see a real need to
delay consecration to him reaching canonical age.

ancestry of children of Isabella of Lusignan and
Maurice IV of Craon, from genealogics:
http://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?per ... 6&tree=LEO
- various dates seem to be available there.



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Peter Stewart

Re: The Longespée parentage of Roger de Meulan, Bishop of Co

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 04 des 2007 13:58:56

"M.Sjostrom" <qsj5@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.196.1196748412.4586.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
In my view, chronology of bishop Roger being son of
Maurice IV de Nevers, lord of Craon, and his wife
Isabella of Lusignan, half-sister of king Henry III
and earl Richard, fits fairly well and is no
impediment.

There are several problems with this - we have charters of the family (see
Bertrand de Broussillon, _La maison de Craon_) and no Roger is named; the
name indeed was not used in the family of either Maurice or Isabella at all;
Roger was not a child when elected bishop, already a canon of Lichfield at
that time (NB called "magister"); and the eldest son & heir of Maurice V
(not IV) of Craon by Isabella of Lusignan was much younger than Roger, not
marrying until 1277.

Peter Stewart

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