Hello all,
I am hoping someone can assist me sorting.
I have Ralph of Aalst m Giselle of Luxemburg
I have 4 sons (Sherman in The Continental Origins of the Ghent Family of Lincolnshire has 3)
Any assistance or suggestions will be appreciated
Louise Australia
1 Baldwin -the eldest
2 Ralph II The Chamberlain(Camerarius in Latin) and if the children witnessed the Charters in order of age he is second born
3 Gilbert of Ghent-I have substantial information on him & his family
4 Ragenfidus also documented Ragenfrith, the youngest. He is mentioned in a citation from the Chronicles of Watten Abbey 1075
Radolphus, cameravius Ragenfridus, frater enus. ( I do not know what these last 2 words say
My main problem is trying to sort out Baldwin -who died 23 or 24 April 1082. I have him with a son Baldwin,who was his heir and also William and Ivan
I then have William marrying and having Gilbert
Gilbert married had
Jan
William
Thomas
Robert
Ralph
Stephen
I then have Robert as becoming Constable of Halisham who had a Charter that is dated 1169
What I have says
Charter of Robert, the Constable of Halisham ,restoring to my brother Thomas van Aalst, a capital messuage and two carucates of land in Fraisthorpe Yorkshire
Also restore to my brother Ralph van Aalst 2 other carucates in Fraisthorpe.
Among many witnesses it has
Jan my brother
William my brother
William my son
Robert my son
Andrew my son who will be count
Godfrey my son
Stephen my brother
counts of aalst/alost
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John Watson
Re: counts of aalst/alost
On Dec 4, 1:46 pm, "Louise" <louise...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
Hi Louise,
Slightly more complicated than that.
Gilbert de Alost / Aalst married Erenburch de Burton of [Constable]
Burton, Yorkshire about 1095. They had at least five children: Ralph,
Thomas, Stephen, John and Hugh. After the death of Gilbert, Erenburch
re-married to Ulbert le Constable of Halisham, Yorkshire and had a son
Robert le Constable. Thus when Robert refers to his brother Thomas -
he means half brother.
Gift: Robert the Constable to his brother ('"frari meo") Ralph de
Alost son of Gilbert de Alost: for his service relating to 2 carucates
in Fraistingthorp With remainder to Ralph's brother Thomas.... (1185 -
1195) [East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service:
Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/135/51]]
Gift: in frankalmoign: Erenburch de Burtona wife of Ulbert the
Constable to Swine Priory property 1 carucate in Freistingthorp in the
N. part of the said town towards Brellington, with the men living on
it Doing forinsec service as where 7 carucates make a knight's fee.
Witn. Isaac the clerk, Thorold the priest of St. Nicholas of Beverley,
William de Kaitona, William Halthen, Robert Jurdan, Hugo de Frisbi,
Ralph his brother, Hugh de Ulci, Amand Pincerna, William de
Scrutevill, Stephen de Merflet, William his son, Amand de Sutton,
Richard son of Sayer, Thomas de Melsa, Simon Kamerinton, (Peter) of
Aldeburgh, William Cokerel, Walter de Frismar, Robert de Ulram,
Stephen de Killum, William de Oketon, Thomas de Winested, Robert de
Gloucestr', Alan Jurdan, William de Fury, Robert de Kare, Ralph de
Risa, William de Halsham, Thomas de Alost, Stephen and John (his)
brothers. See "Early Yorkshire Charters Vol. III, p. 76. (1155 -
1170) [East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service:
Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/135/51]]
Ralph de Alost had a son, Simon:
GRANT by Ralph de Alost to Simon his son and his heirs of a bovate of
land in Fraistingthorp with all the appurt. within and without the
vill ;namely that bovate which Hugh Gochi held ; to hold from the
grantor and his heirs freely and quietly from all service except
foreign service where seven carucates of land make a knight's fee.
Test., Stephen de Alost, Hugh de Halsham, Stephen his son, Alan
Jordan, Bartholomew de Oustwik, William Hautain, Robert de Gloucestre
and Robert his son, William of the oven (de furno), Alan de Muncels
and Robert his brother, Walter de Carthorp, William son of William de
Rudstan, Adam de Bouington, William de Athelardbi, William son of
Reginald, Henry de Carthorp. [Chartulary of Bridlington Priory, W. T.
Lancaster, Leeds, 1912, p 199]
Thomas de Alost had a son and heir William,
GRANT by Thomas de Alost, with the consent of William his son and
heir, to the Church of St Mary of Brid[lington] and the Canons, to the
use of their infirmary, in free and perpetual alms, of two bovates of
land in Fraistingthorp, with the toft which was Roger's, son of
Gerard, and all other appurt., within and without the vill ; those
namely which lie to the south of those two bovates which Erneburg the
grantor's niece holds from the said Canons in the same vill, free and
quit from all customs and services except foreign service of the King
which the Canons shall acquit, as much as belongs to two bovates where
seven carucates make a knight's fee. Warranty, and if he is unable to
warrant he will give anexchange to the value within forty days after
it shall have been demanded by the Canons. He and William his son and
heir have sworn to hold to all the above. Test., Richard de Grendale,
Malger de Ergum, Ralph de Neuilla, Walter de Carthorp, Walter de
Bouinton and William his son, Walter son of William de Thorp, Adam de
Bouington, Ralph de Vlram, William de Sywardeby and Robert and Ernald
his sons, Richard and John and Robert de Bucton, Gilbert de Speton,
William de Besingby and Stephen and William his sons, Osbert de
Sywardeby, Walter de Mart[on], William de Ergum, Eustace de Ricton and
Robert his son, Gregory de Flainburg, and many other free men.
[Chartulary of Bridlington Priory, W. T. Lancaster, Leeds, 1912, p
196]
Hugh de Alost had a son Hugh:
CONFIRMATION by Hugh de Alost son of Gilbert de Alost to the Canons,
of all gifts which Thomas de Alost his (Hugh's) brother made to them
in the vill of Fraistingthorp, in lands, in marshes, in meadows,
etc. , with all liberties and free customs and easements to the said
lands belonging, within the vill and without. Warranty. Test., William
de Percy, Robert his son, John de Melsa and Peter his son, Walter de
Bouington and William his son, Walter de Carethorp and William his
son, Richard de Grendale, Malger de Ergum, Engelran de Munceus and
Robert his son, Robert Talun, Ralph de Vlram, William de Sywardeby and
Robert, Ernald, Thomas and William his sons, Simon de Alost, Gilbert
de Speton, John son of Matthew de Brid[lington]. [Chartulary of
Bridlington Priory, W. T. Lancaster, Leeds, 1912, p 197]
CONFIRMATION by Hugh son of Hugh de Alost, to the Canons, in free and
perpetual alms, of all the donations which Thomas de Alost his uncle
(patruus] gave them in the vill of Fraistingthorp, with all liberties,
etc., belonging to the lands, within and without the vill, as in his
charters is contained. Warranty. Test., William de Perci and Robert
his son, John de Melsa and Peter his son, Walter de Bouington and
William his son, Walter de Carthorp and William his son, Richard de
Grendale, Malger de Ergum, Engelran de Muncels and Robert his son,
Robert Talun, Ralph de Vlram, William de Sywardeby and Robert, Ernald,
Thomas, and William his sons, Simon de Alost, Gilbert de Speton, John
son of Matthew de Brid[lington]. [Chartulary of Bridlington Priory, W.
T. Lancaster, Leeds, 1912, p 201]
After that I have no further records of the Alost family.
Hope that the above is useful to you in your researches.
Regards,
John
Hello all,
I am hoping someone can assist me sorting.
I have Ralph of Aalst m Giselle of Luxemburg
I have 4 sons (Sherman in The Continental Origins of the Ghent Family of Lincolnshire has 3)
Any assistance or suggestions will be appreciated
Louise Australia
1 Baldwin -the eldest
2 Ralph II The Chamberlain(Camerarius in Latin) and if the children witnessed the Charters in order of age he is second born
3 Gilbert of Ghent-I have substantial information on him & his family
4 Ragenfidus also documented Ragenfrith, the youngest. He is mentioned in a citation from the Chronicles of Watten Abbey 1075
Radolphus, cameravius Ragenfridus, frater enus. ( I do not know what these last 2 words say
My main problem is trying to sort out Baldwin -who died 23 or 24 April 1082. I have him with a son Baldwin,who was his heir and also William and Ivan
I then have William marrying and having Gilbert
Gilbert married had
Jan
William
Thomas
Robert
Ralph
Stephen
I then have Robert as becoming Constable of Halisham who had a Charter that is dated 1169
What I have says
Charter of Robert, the Constable of Halisham ,restoring to my brother Thomas van Aalst, a capital messuage and two carucates of land in Fraisthorpe Yorkshire
Also restore to my brother Ralph van Aalst 2 other carucates in Fraisthorpe.
Among many witnesses it has
Jan my brother
William my brother
William my son
Robert my son
Andrew my son who will be count
Godfrey my son
Stephen my brother
Hi Louise,
Slightly more complicated than that.
Gilbert de Alost / Aalst married Erenburch de Burton of [Constable]
Burton, Yorkshire about 1095. They had at least five children: Ralph,
Thomas, Stephen, John and Hugh. After the death of Gilbert, Erenburch
re-married to Ulbert le Constable of Halisham, Yorkshire and had a son
Robert le Constable. Thus when Robert refers to his brother Thomas -
he means half brother.
Gift: Robert the Constable to his brother ('"frari meo") Ralph de
Alost son of Gilbert de Alost: for his service relating to 2 carucates
in Fraistingthorp With remainder to Ralph's brother Thomas.... (1185 -
1195) [East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service:
Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/135/51]]
Gift: in frankalmoign: Erenburch de Burtona wife of Ulbert the
Constable to Swine Priory property 1 carucate in Freistingthorp in the
N. part of the said town towards Brellington, with the men living on
it Doing forinsec service as where 7 carucates make a knight's fee.
Witn. Isaac the clerk, Thorold the priest of St. Nicholas of Beverley,
William de Kaitona, William Halthen, Robert Jurdan, Hugo de Frisbi,
Ralph his brother, Hugh de Ulci, Amand Pincerna, William de
Scrutevill, Stephen de Merflet, William his son, Amand de Sutton,
Richard son of Sayer, Thomas de Melsa, Simon Kamerinton, (Peter) of
Aldeburgh, William Cokerel, Walter de Frismar, Robert de Ulram,
Stephen de Killum, William de Oketon, Thomas de Winested, Robert de
Gloucestr', Alan Jurdan, William de Fury, Robert de Kare, Ralph de
Risa, William de Halsham, Thomas de Alost, Stephen and John (his)
brothers. See "Early Yorkshire Charters Vol. III, p. 76. (1155 -
1170) [East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service:
Chichester-Constable Family [DDCC/135/51]]
Ralph de Alost had a son, Simon:
GRANT by Ralph de Alost to Simon his son and his heirs of a bovate of
land in Fraistingthorp with all the appurt. within and without the
vill ;namely that bovate which Hugh Gochi held ; to hold from the
grantor and his heirs freely and quietly from all service except
foreign service where seven carucates of land make a knight's fee.
Test., Stephen de Alost, Hugh de Halsham, Stephen his son, Alan
Jordan, Bartholomew de Oustwik, William Hautain, Robert de Gloucestre
and Robert his son, William of the oven (de furno), Alan de Muncels
and Robert his brother, Walter de Carthorp, William son of William de
Rudstan, Adam de Bouington, William de Athelardbi, William son of
Reginald, Henry de Carthorp. [Chartulary of Bridlington Priory, W. T.
Lancaster, Leeds, 1912, p 199]
Thomas de Alost had a son and heir William,
GRANT by Thomas de Alost, with the consent of William his son and
heir, to the Church of St Mary of Brid[lington] and the Canons, to the
use of their infirmary, in free and perpetual alms, of two bovates of
land in Fraistingthorp, with the toft which was Roger's, son of
Gerard, and all other appurt., within and without the vill ; those
namely which lie to the south of those two bovates which Erneburg the
grantor's niece holds from the said Canons in the same vill, free and
quit from all customs and services except foreign service of the King
which the Canons shall acquit, as much as belongs to two bovates where
seven carucates make a knight's fee. Warranty, and if he is unable to
warrant he will give anexchange to the value within forty days after
it shall have been demanded by the Canons. He and William his son and
heir have sworn to hold to all the above. Test., Richard de Grendale,
Malger de Ergum, Ralph de Neuilla, Walter de Carthorp, Walter de
Bouinton and William his son, Walter son of William de Thorp, Adam de
Bouington, Ralph de Vlram, William de Sywardeby and Robert and Ernald
his sons, Richard and John and Robert de Bucton, Gilbert de Speton,
William de Besingby and Stephen and William his sons, Osbert de
Sywardeby, Walter de Mart[on], William de Ergum, Eustace de Ricton and
Robert his son, Gregory de Flainburg, and many other free men.
[Chartulary of Bridlington Priory, W. T. Lancaster, Leeds, 1912, p
196]
Hugh de Alost had a son Hugh:
CONFIRMATION by Hugh de Alost son of Gilbert de Alost to the Canons,
of all gifts which Thomas de Alost his (Hugh's) brother made to them
in the vill of Fraistingthorp, in lands, in marshes, in meadows,
etc. , with all liberties and free customs and easements to the said
lands belonging, within the vill and without. Warranty. Test., William
de Percy, Robert his son, John de Melsa and Peter his son, Walter de
Bouington and William his son, Walter de Carethorp and William his
son, Richard de Grendale, Malger de Ergum, Engelran de Munceus and
Robert his son, Robert Talun, Ralph de Vlram, William de Sywardeby and
Robert, Ernald, Thomas and William his sons, Simon de Alost, Gilbert
de Speton, John son of Matthew de Brid[lington]. [Chartulary of
Bridlington Priory, W. T. Lancaster, Leeds, 1912, p 197]
CONFIRMATION by Hugh son of Hugh de Alost, to the Canons, in free and
perpetual alms, of all the donations which Thomas de Alost his uncle
(patruus] gave them in the vill of Fraistingthorp, with all liberties,
etc., belonging to the lands, within and without the vill, as in his
charters is contained. Warranty. Test., William de Perci and Robert
his son, John de Melsa and Peter his son, Walter de Bouington and
William his son, Walter de Carthorp and William his son, Richard de
Grendale, Malger de Ergum, Engelran de Muncels and Robert his son,
Robert Talun, Ralph de Vlram, William de Sywardeby and Robert, Ernald,
Thomas, and William his sons, Simon de Alost, Gilbert de Speton, John
son of Matthew de Brid[lington]. [Chartulary of Bridlington Priory, W.
T. Lancaster, Leeds, 1912, p 201]
After that I have no further records of the Alost family.
Hope that the above is useful to you in your researches.
Regards,
John
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Renia
Re: counts of aalst/alost
Louise wrote:
BALDUIN FLANDRENSIS was a Fleming and held a small Domesday
tenancy-in-chief, which formed part of the barony of Bourn,
Lincolnshire, by the early twelfth century. Keats-Rohan, in Domesday
People, suggesTS he was possibly the same Baldwin who was a tenant of
Drogo de La Beuvriere in Yorkshire and says there are no discoverable
indications that any descendants of his continued to hold his fees.
RADULF CAMERARIUS was a Domesday tenant and chamberlain of Archbishop
Lanfranc. There is no more information about him in Domesday People by
Keats-Rohan.
There is further material in Keats-Rohan's Domesday People on Willelm de
Alost (a Gand/Ghent tenant in Lincolnshire) and Thomas de Alost,
identified as son of Gilbert de Alost. The family figures prominently in
the Bridlington Cartulary.
Hello all,
I am hoping someone can assist me sorting.
I have Ralph of Aalst m Giselle of Luxemburg
I have 4 sons (Sherman in The Continental Origins of the Ghent Family of Lincolnshire has 3)
Any assistance or suggestions will be appreciated
Louise Australia
1 Baldwin -the eldest
2 Ralph II The Chamberlain(Camerarius in Latin) and if the children witnessed the Charters in order of age he is second born
3 Gilbert of Ghent-I have substantial information on him & his family
4 Ragenfidus also documented Ragenfrith, the youngest. He is mentioned in a citation from the Chronicles of Watten Abbey 1075
Radolphus, cameravius Ragenfridus, frater enus. ( I do not know what these last 2 words say
My main problem is trying to sort out Baldwin -who died 23 or 24 April 1082. I have him with a son Baldwin,who was his heir and also William and Ivan
I then have William marrying and having Gilbert
Gilbert married had
Jan
William
Thomas
Robert
Ralph
Stephen
I then have Robert as becoming Constable of Halisham who had a Charter that is dated 1169
What I have says
Charter of Robert, the Constable of Halisham ,restoring to my brother Thomas van Aalst, a capital messuage and two carucates of land in Fraisthorpe Yorkshire
Also restore to my brother Ralph van Aalst 2 other carucates in Fraisthorpe.
Among many witnesses it has
Jan my brother
William my brother
William my son
Robert my son
Andrew my son who will be count
Godfrey my son
Stephen my brother
BALDUIN FLANDRENSIS was a Fleming and held a small Domesday
tenancy-in-chief, which formed part of the barony of Bourn,
Lincolnshire, by the early twelfth century. Keats-Rohan, in Domesday
People, suggesTS he was possibly the same Baldwin who was a tenant of
Drogo de La Beuvriere in Yorkshire and says there are no discoverable
indications that any descendants of his continued to hold his fees.
RADULF CAMERARIUS was a Domesday tenant and chamberlain of Archbishop
Lanfranc. There is no more information about him in Domesday People by
Keats-Rohan.
There is further material in Keats-Rohan's Domesday People on Willelm de
Alost (a Gand/Ghent tenant in Lincolnshire) and Thomas de Alost,
identified as son of Gilbert de Alost. The family figures prominently in
the Bridlington Cartulary.