In another thread, John Ravilous has given the existence of a charter
granting Rosslyn to Sir William Sinclair in 1280, and that this
William, was apparently the son of that William who was Sheriff of
Edinburgh in 1264.
It seems possible to me that they were the same person, but
secondarily, how is it, that Henry Sinclair of Rosslyn, gains that
place ? Was William of the 1280 grant the brother of Henry? It's
slightly possible that he was his father, but the chronology is a bit
tight.
Will Johnson
Sinclair of Rosslyn
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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John P. Ravilious
Re: Sinclair of Rosslyn
Dear Will,
The ready presumption, via Scots Peerage and all other sources
I've seen to date, is that Sir Henry inherited Roslin/Rosslyn from his
father. I don't believe there are enough solid dates in these
generations to rule any currently accepted parentage/sibling
relationships as definitely in or out.
As to Sir Henry being the brother (instead of son) of the Sir
William of the 1280 grant, this is certainly not the case. Note that
Sir Henry had a younger brother William who is already well known.
This William de Sinclair was a cleric, with as checkered a career as
any other highborn Scot of the 14th century. He was elected Bishop of
Dunkeld in 1312, and at the head of Scots troops (on Bruce's side)
defeated the English forces at Donibristle, Fife 1317. Following on
this, he officiated at coronation of Edward Baliol as King of Scots,
24 Sept 1332. See SP VI:565, sub _Sinclair, Earl of Orkney_ .
As problematic as the accounts in Scots Peerage can be [* see
below], I entirely recommend consulting the account for Sinclair, Earl
of Orkney. Volume VI of Scots Peerage (and many or all of the others)
are currently available via LiveSearch. Use search.live.com and
(using the "Books" search option) search for "Roslin Sinclair" - one
of the first ten items displayed will be for Volume VI. Just be sure
to erase the alleged descent "de Dreux" from your memory subsequent to
reading same.
Cheers,
John
* NB. The Sinclairs of Rosslyn and the Sinclairs (St. Clairs) of
Herdmanston are likely well mixed together, so be wary. A William de
Sancto Claro of the period 1250-1350 could potentially be of either
family, minus a helpful reference in a charter.
On Dec 3, 11:05�pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
The ready presumption, via Scots Peerage and all other sources
I've seen to date, is that Sir Henry inherited Roslin/Rosslyn from his
father. I don't believe there are enough solid dates in these
generations to rule any currently accepted parentage/sibling
relationships as definitely in or out.
As to Sir Henry being the brother (instead of son) of the Sir
William of the 1280 grant, this is certainly not the case. Note that
Sir Henry had a younger brother William who is already well known.
This William de Sinclair was a cleric, with as checkered a career as
any other highborn Scot of the 14th century. He was elected Bishop of
Dunkeld in 1312, and at the head of Scots troops (on Bruce's side)
defeated the English forces at Donibristle, Fife 1317. Following on
this, he officiated at coronation of Edward Baliol as King of Scots,
24 Sept 1332. See SP VI:565, sub _Sinclair, Earl of Orkney_ .
As problematic as the accounts in Scots Peerage can be [* see
below], I entirely recommend consulting the account for Sinclair, Earl
of Orkney. Volume VI of Scots Peerage (and many or all of the others)
are currently available via LiveSearch. Use search.live.com and
(using the "Books" search option) search for "Roslin Sinclair" - one
of the first ten items displayed will be for Volume VI. Just be sure
to erase the alleged descent "de Dreux" from your memory subsequent to
reading same.
Cheers,
John
* NB. The Sinclairs of Rosslyn and the Sinclairs (St. Clairs) of
Herdmanston are likely well mixed together, so be wary. A William de
Sancto Claro of the period 1250-1350 could potentially be of either
family, minus a helpful reference in a charter.
On Dec 3, 11:05�pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
In another thread, John Ravilous has given the existence of a charter
granting Rosslyn to Sir William Sinclair in 1280, and that this
William, was apparently the son of �that William who was Sheriff of
Edinburgh in 1264.
It seems possible to me that they were the same person, but
secondarily, how is it, that Henry Sinclair of Rosslyn, gains that
place ? �Was William of the 1280 grant the brother of Henry? �It's
slightly possible that he was his father, but the chronology is a bit
tight.
Will Johnson
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John Watson
Re: Sinclair of Rosslyn
On Dec 5, 9:41 am, "John P. Ravilious" <ther...@aol.com> wrote:
Use search.live.com and (using the "Books" search option)
enable it - or is it one of these things that works in some countries
and not in others?
Regards,
John
Use search.live.com and (using the "Books" search option)
Cheers,
John
On my search.live.com there is no "Books" option. Any idea how to
enable it - or is it one of these things that works in some countries
and not in others?
Regards,
John
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Gjest
Re: Sinclair of Rosslyn
On Dec 4, 7:54 pm, John Watson <WatsonJo...@gmail.com> wrote:
It should be under the "More" tab.
taf
On Dec 5, 9:41 am, "John P. Ravilious" <ther...@aol.com> wrote:
Use search.live.com and (using the "Books" search option)
On my search.live.com there is no "Books" option. Any idea how to
enable it - or is it one of these things that works in some countries
and not in others?
It should be under the "More" tab.
taf
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John Watson
Re: Sinclair of Rosslyn
On Dec 5, 12:37 pm, t...@clearwire.net wrote:
No it's not there, all I've got is; Academic / Classified / Feeds /
Edit Macros / Find Macros.
I did a Google search and found that search.live.com books search,
beta has been released in the USA - but apparently not in the rest of
the world. I tried it through an anonymous proxy, but that wasn't
succesful either, since the site needs java script and activeX and
lots of other junk in order to work.
Regards,
John
On Dec 4, 7:54 pm, John Watson <WatsonJo...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 5, 9:41 am, "John P. Ravilious" <ther...@aol.com> wrote:
Use search.live.com and (using the "Books" search option)
On my search.live.com there is no "Books" option. Any idea how to
enable it - or is it one of these things that works in some countries
and not in others?
It should be under the "More" tab.
taf
No it's not there, all I've got is; Academic / Classified / Feeds /
Edit Macros / Find Macros.
I did a Google search and found that search.live.com books search,
beta has been released in the USA - but apparently not in the rest of
the world. I tried it through an anonymous proxy, but that wasn't
succesful either, since the site needs java script and activeX and
lots of other junk in order to work.
Regards,
John
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John Watson
Re: Sinclair of Rosslyn
On Dec 5, 4:12 pm, John Watson <WatsonJo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahhhh - got it working now - very simple, changed my language
preferences in Windows Live from English (United Kingdom) to English
(United States) and it works fine. Now why didn't I think of this
before?
Regards,
John
On Dec 5, 12:37 pm, t...@clearwire.net wrote:
On Dec 4, 7:54 pm, John Watson <WatsonJo...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 5, 9:41 am, "John P. Ravilious" <ther...@aol.com> wrote:
Use search.live.com and (using the "Books" search option)
On my search.live.com there is no "Books" option. Any idea how to
enable it - or is it one of these things that works in some countries
and not in others?
It should be under the "More" tab.
taf
No it's not there, all I've got is; Academic / Classified / Feeds /
Edit Macros / Find Macros.
I did a Google search and found that search.live.com books search,
beta has been released in the USA - but apparently not in the rest of
the world. I tried it through an anonymous proxy, but that wasn't
succesful either, since the site needs java script and activeX and
lots of other junk in order to work.
Regards,
John
Ahhhh - got it working now - very simple, changed my language
preferences in Windows Live from English (United Kingdom) to English
(United States) and it works fine. Now why didn't I think of this
before?
Regards,
John