Clovis to Christopher Branch?

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Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av gro » 02 des 2007 23:36:03

Dear friends,

I came across this descent from Clovis and the Merovingians to
Jamestowne, Virginia, colonist Christopher Branch. How sound is it?
Thanks.

"Christopher Branch born at: ----- on: ca. 1602 died at: Henrico Co.,
VA on: will dated 20 June 1678-probated 20 Feb. 1681/82 married on:
2 Sept. 1619 to: Mary Addie, dau. of Francis Addie of Darton, Yorks
born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ante 1630 married
at: St. Peter's , Westcheap, London



Proof [s]

Cabell, op.cit., pp.25-27, 30-31; Adventurers, op. cit., v. 1 pp.
366-367..





The said: Christopher Branch was the child of:

Lionel Branch born at: bapt. St. Helen's Church, Abingdon, Berks on:
18 Aug. 1566 died at: prob. London on: ca. 1605 married on: 8 July
1596 to: Valentia Sparke born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: ----- married at: St. Martin's Ludgate,London



Proof [s]

Cabell, James Branch "Branch of Abington." Richmond, VA, William Ellis
Jones' Sons, 1911. pp. 71-73,91-92; Adventuers, op. cit., v. 1 p.366.





The said: Lionel Branch was the child of:

William Branch of Abington, Berks born at: ----- on: post 1524 died
at: ----- on: will proved 24 Apr. 1602, bur.St. Helen's Church,
Abington, Berks married on: ----- to: Katherine Jennings born at:
----- on: ----- died at: bur. St. Helen's, Abingdon, Berks on: 25
Aug. 1597 married at: -----



Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., pp. 49,52-53, 113





The said: Katherine Jennings was the child of:

Thomas Jennings of Abingdon, Berks born at: ----- on: ca. 1516

died at: prob. Abingdon, Berks on: betw. 8 Apr. and 6 May 1561
married on: ----- to: Alice Bright born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: before 1561 married at: -----





Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., pp. 52-53, 1113, 115





The said: Thomas Jennings was the child of:

William Jennings of Abington, Berks born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Jone Bostock,
sister of Ralph Bostock of Abington, Berks born at: ----- on: ca.
1500 died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., pp. 112-113





The said: Jone Bostock was the child of:

George Bostock of Childs Arcoll, Ches. born at: ----- on: ca. 1480

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Jone Horne of
Childs Arcoll, Ches born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., p. 112; "Visitation of Cheshire 1580" (Harleian
Soc. Pub. London, 1882. v. 18 p. 32)





The said: George Bostock was the child of:

Hugh Bostock born at: ----- on: ca. 1455 died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: Jone (Jane) Delheath dau. & Coheir of John
Delheath of Churton Heath, Ches. born at: ----- on: ----- died
at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., p. 112; Visit, op. cit., p. 31





The said: Hugh Bostock was the child of:

Nicholas Bostock of Mobberley, Ches. born at: ----- on: ca. 1435

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Katherine Mobberley,
dau. & coheir of Sir William Mobberley of Mobberley born at: -----
on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----





Proof [s] Cabell, IBID, Visit, op. cit., pp. 28, 31; "Burke's Landed
Gentry.."18th ed. London, Burke's Peerage, 1965. v. 1 p. 82 ; Omerod,
George "The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester..."
London, George Routledge and Sons, 1882. v. 3 p. 259.





The said: Nicholas Bostock was the child of:

Sir Adam Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: prob. Bostock, Ches. on:
22 Feb. 1412/13 died at: ----- on: 30 Apr. 1475 married on: -----

to: Elizabeth Venables, dau. of Sir Richard Venables, Baron of
Kinderton, Ches. born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Burke. IBID; Omerod, IBID.





The said: Sir Adam Bostock was the child of:

Sir Ralph Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: ----- on: 1392

died at: ----- on: 1418/19 married on: ----- to: Isabel Lawton,
dau. of William Lawton of Wigland, Ches born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Burke, IBID ; Omerod, IBID





The said: Sir Ralph Bostock was the child of:

Adam Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: ----- on: 18 Aug. 1363 died
at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Jonet (Janet) Bradshaw,
dau. of Sir Henry Bradshaw of Bradshaw, Lancs born at: ----- on:
----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Burke, op. cit., pp.81-82 ; Omerod, IBID.





The said: Adam Bostock was the child of:

Sir Adam Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: ----- on: living 1344 died
at: ----- on: 1373/74 married on: ----- to: Margaret de
Wettenhall born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married at: -----



Proof [s]

Burke, op. cit., p.81 ; Omerod, op. cit., v. 2, p. 195, v. 3 p. 259.







The said: Margaret de Wettenhall was the child of:

Sir John de Wettenhall of Acton, Ches. born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Agnes Arderne born
at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Omerod, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 85, 195.





The said: Agnes Arderne was the child of:

Sir John Arderne of Aldford, Ches. born at: ----- on: 1266

died at: ----- on: ca. 1308 married on: bef. 1299 to: Margaret ap
Griffin born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married at: -----



Proof [s]

Omerod, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 77, 85.



The said: Margaret ap Griffin was the child of:

Griffin ap Madoc, Lord of Brimfield, Prince of Powys Vadog born at:
----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to:
Emma de Audley, widow of Henry Tuschet (Tuchet, Touchet), in 1241/42
born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at:
-----



Proof [s]

Omerod, IBID ; Delafield, John Ross "Delafield:The Family History."
NY, The Author, 1945. v. 2 p. 594.





The said: Emma de Audley was the child of:

Henry de Audley (Alditelegh, Aldlegh) born at: ----- on: ca. 1175 died
at: ----- on: bef. Nov.1246 married on: 1217 to: Bertrade de
Mainwaring born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: living 1249 married at: -----



Proof [s]

Delafield, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 592-594, 597; Ormerod, op. cit., v. I
p. 122.





The said: Bertrade de Mainwaring was the child of:

Sir Ralph de Mainwaring, Seneschal(Justice) of Chester, temp. Henry
II, Richard I born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: Amicia of Chester born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Delafield, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 595-597; Omerod, op. cit., v. 1 pp.
28-32, 121-122.





The said: Amicia of Chester was the child of:

Hugh "Kevelioc", Earl of Chester born at: ----- on: 1147

died at: Leeke, Staffs on: 1181 married on: -----

to: ----- born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married at: -----



Proof [s]

Delafield, op. cit., v. 2 p. 597 ; "Ancestral Roots." 7th ed.
Baltimore, GPC, 1992. p. 114; Omerod,IBID.







The said: Hugh of Chester was the child of:

Ranulph de Gernon, Earl of Chester born at: ----- on: -----

died at: bur. St. Warburg's , Chester on: 116 Dec. 1153 married on:
ca. 1141 to: Maud de Caen( of Gloucester) born at: ----- on:
----- died at: ----- on: 29 July 1189 married at: -----





Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., p. 207





The said: Maud de Caen was the child of:

Robert de Caen, Earl of Gloucester born at: ----- on: -----

died at: Bristol on: 31 Oct. 1147 married on: ----- to: Maud, dau
of Robert Fitz Hamon born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp. 112,114





The said: Robert de Caen was the child of:

Henry I, King of England born at: Selby, Yorks on: 1068/70

died at: Angers on: 1 Dec. 1135, bur at Reading Cathedral, Berks
married on: ----- to: unknown mistress born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp. 108,112 ; Stuart, Roderick W. "Royalty For
Commoners" 4th ed. Baltimore, GPC, 2002. p. 50





The said: Henry I was the child of:

William I "The Conqueror", Duke of Normandy, King of Englamd born at:
Falaise, Normandy on: ca. 1028 died at: Rouen on: 9 Sept. 1087, bur
at Caen married on: ca. 1051/53 to: Matilda of Flanders born at:
----- on: ca. 1032 died at: Caen on: 3 Nov. 1083 married at: EU



Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp. 108,142; Stuart, op. cit., pp. 50, 76





The said: Matilda of Flanders was the child of:

Baldwin V de Lille, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: ca. 1012/13
died at: Lille on: 1 Sept. 1067 married on: 1028

to: Adele of France born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
8 Jan. 1078/79 married at: -----



Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., p. 142 ; Stuart, op. cit., pp. 75-76.





The said: Baldwin V was the child of:

Baldwin IV, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: 30 May 1035 married on: ca. 1012

to: Otgiva of Luxembourg born at: ----- on: ca. 995

died at: ----- on: 21 Feb. 1030 married at: -----



Proof [s]

AR, IBID; Stuart, op. cit., pp. 76, 190.





The said: Baldwin IV was the child of:

Arnold II "The Young", Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: 961/62
died at: ----- on: 30 March 987, bur at Ghent married on: ca. 968
to: Susanna (Rosella) ,Priness of Italy, heiress of Montreuil-sur-
Mer. She married secondly Robert II, King of France born at: -----
on: ca. 950 died at: ----- on: 7 Feb/ 13 DEc. 1003, bur at Ghent
married at: -----



Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp.128, 142; Stuart, op. cit, pp. 76, 181 ; Rosch,
Siegfried "Caroli Magni Progenies" Neustadt, Degener, 1977. p. 167,
170.





The said: Arnold II was the child of:

Baldwin III, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: ca. 940 died at: St.
Bertin on: 1 Jan. 1961/62 married on: 961 to: Matilda of Saxony.
She married secondly, ca. 963 Godfrey of Verdun born at: -----
on: ----- died at: ----- on: 25 May 1008 married at: -----



Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p. 59, 76; Rosch, op. cit., pp. 138, 170.





The said: Baldwin III was the child of:

Arnold I "The Old", Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: 885/890 died
at: ----- on: 27 March 964 married on: (2) 934 to:
Adela(Adelaide) of Vermandois born at: ----- on: ca. 910/15 died
at: Bruges on: 958/960 married at: -----



Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., pp.93, 76 ;Rosch, op. cit., pp. 117, 124, 138.





The said: Arnold I was the child of:

Baldwin II, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: ca. 863/865

died at: ----- on: 918 married on: 884 to: Aelfthryth of Wessex,
dau. of Alfred "The Great", King of England born at: ----- on: ca.
877 died at: ----- on: 7 June 929 married at: -----



Proof [s] Stuart, op. cit., p. 76,128 ; Rosch, op. cit., pp. 99, 117.





The said: Baldwin II was the child of:

Baldwin I "Bras de Fer", Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: -----
died at: Arras on: 879 married on: 862, as her third husband

to: Judith of France, widow of Aethelwulf , King of Wessex, &
Aethelbald, King of Wessex born at: ----- on: ca. 844

died at: ----- on: after 870 married at: Auxerre



Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., pp. 83, 99 ; Rosch, op. cit., pp. 82-83,99



The said: Judith of France was the child of:

Charles II "The Bald", King of France born at: Frankfurt-am-Main on:
13 June 823 died at: Brides-les-Bains, Savoy on: 6 Oct. 877, bur at
St. Denis married on: (1) 13 Dec. 842 to: Ermentrude of Orleans
born at: ----- on: 27 Sept. ca. 830 died at: ----- on: 6 Oct.
869, bur. at St. Denis married at: Queercy-sur-Oise



Proof [s]

Rosch, op. cit., pp. 69, 82-83





The said: Charles II was the child of:

Louis I "The Fat", King of France born at: Herbst-in-Chasseneuil,
Gironde on: after 16 Apr. 778 died at: Rheininsel-bei-Ingelheim on:
20 June 840 married on: (2) Feb. 819 to: Judith of Bavaria born
at: ----- on: ca. 805 died at: Tours on: 19 Apr. 843 married at:
-----



Proof [s]

Rosch, op. cit., pp. 63,68-69





The said: Louis I was the child of:

Charlemagne, King of France, Holy Roman Emperor born at: Ingelheim on:
2 Apr. 742 died at: Aix-la-Chapelle on: 28 Jan. 813/14 married on:
771 bef. 30 Apr. to: Hildegarde of Swabia born at: ----- on: 758
died at: ----- on: 30 Apr. 783, bur. at Metz married at: -----



Proof [s]

Rosch, op. cit., pp. 48-64





The said: Charlemagne (Charles I) Emperor was the child of:

Bertha "Broadfoot" of Laon, Aisne, France born at: on: c. 720 died
at: on: 12 July 783 married on: c. 740 to: Pippin III "The
Short" Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia, Kng of the Franks born at:
Austrasia on: 715 died at: St. Denis, France on: 24 Sept 768
married at: -----



Proof [s]

Stuart, Roderick W."Royalty for Commoners" Fourth Edition, p. 95,
Line 171-42, p. 116, 214-42



The said: Bertha "Broadfoot" of Laon, Aisne, France was the child of:

Caribert (Cambert, Charibert), Count of Laon? born at: ----- on: liv
720-747 died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Bertrada
born at: ----- on: -----died at: ----- on: ----- married at:
-----



Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p. 116, Line 214-43



The said: Caribert (Cambert, Charibert), Count of Laon----- was the
child of:

Bertrada, a Merovingian princess, founded the abbey of Prun 720 born
at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to:
Martin of Laon, son of Anguise, Mayor of the Palace born at: -----
on: -----died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s] Stuart, op. cit., p. 116, Line 214-44



The said: Bertrada, a Merovingian princess, founded the abbey of
Prun720 was the child of:

Theoderic(Theuderic)349,362, etc. III, King of Burgundy, 670 and the
Franks, 690/691 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: Chrodochild, Queen Regent, 690/691 born at:
----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 116, Line 214-45; Wood, Ian. "The Merovingian
Kingdoms, 450-751." Harlow, Eng., Longman,Pearson Education, 1994. pp.
349,356, 362, etc.





The said: Theoderic III, King of Burgundy, 670 and the Franks, 690/691
was the child of:

Clovis II , King of Neustria and Burgundy639-656/57 born at: ----- on:
c. 634 died at: ----- on: Oct or Nov 657 married on: c. 649 to:
Balthilde, Queen of Neustria and Burgundy born at: Anglia (sold into
slavery in the French royal court on: c. 627 died at: ----- on: 30
Jan 680 married at: -----



Proof [s]

Wood, op. cit., pp. 349, 352,357, etc. ;
http://pascale.olivaux.free.fr/Histoire ... ngien.htm;
http://www.kessler-web.co.uk/History/Ki ... ranks.htm;
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9024459





The said: Clovis II , King of Neustria and Burgundy----- was the child
of:

Dagobert I, King of Austrasia, 622-628; King of Franks 628-638 born
at: ----- on: 602 died at: ----- on: 639 married on: ----- to: (2)
Nantechild, a Saxon, Queen Mother, 639 born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303 (47); Wood, op. cit., pp. 156, 349,
357, 360



The said: Dagobert I, King of Austrasia, 622-628; King of Franks
628-638 was the child of:

Clothaire(Chlothar) II, King of Neustria 584; King of Franks 613-628
born at: ----- on: 584 died at: ----- on: 629 married on: ----- to:
Haldetrude/ Berthertrude born at: ----- on: ----- died at: -----
on: ----- married at: -----





Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p. 162, Line 303 (48); Wood, op. cit., pp. 348,355



The said: Clothaire(Chlothar) II, King of Neustria 584; King of Franks
613-628 was the child of:

Chilperic I, King of Neustria 539-584 born at: ----- on: ----- died
at: ----- on: 584 married on: ----- to: (2) or (3) Fredegunde
("One of the most bloodthirsty women in history") born at: -----
on: 543 died at: ----- on: 596/7 married at: -----



Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303 (49); Wood, op. cit, pp.345, 348,
354,358,etc.



The said: Chilperic I, King of Neustria 539-584 was the child of:

Clothaire( Chlothar) I , King of Soissons 511; King of Orleans 524;
King of Frnace 558-561 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
561 married on: ----- to: (4) Aregund born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303 (50); Wood, op. cit., pp.
344,351,355, etc.





The said: Clothaire(Chlothar) I, King of Soissons 511; King of Orleans
524; King of Frnace 558-561 was the child of:

Clovis I "the Great", King of Salic Franks, 481-511; King of France
born at: ----- on: 466 died at: Paris on: 27 Nov 511 married on:
492 to: St. Saint Saint Clothilda (Chlothild) of Burgundy, dau. of
Chilperic II, King of Burgundy, Queen of the Franks, 492/3-544 born
at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: 544 married at: -----



Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303(51), p. 188 Line 349 (51); Wood,
op. cit., pp.41-54,344,356,-357.



The said: Clovis I, "the Great", King of Salic Franks, 481-511; King
of France was the child of:

Childeric I, King of Franks 458-481 born at: ----- on: c. 436 died at:
----- on: 481 married on: ----- to: Basina, former wife of
Bisinus, King of of Thuringia born at: ----- on: ----- died at:
----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162 , Line 303 (52); Wood, op. cit., pp.38-41



The said: Childeric I, King of Franks 458-481 was the child of:

Mérovée (Merovech), governed the Salic Franks 448-457 (defeated Attila
"the Hun"451 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: ----- born at: ----- on: ----- died at:
----- on: ----- married at: -----



Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p.162, Line 303 (53); Wood, op. cit, pp.
36-38,40,111."

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 02 des 2007 23:36:04

In article
<cc18a23f-d8b8-43e9-8944-b46f1e00480c@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com>,
gro <gilrobison@aol.com> wrote:

Dear friends,

I came across this descent from Clovis and the Merovingians to
Jamestowne, Virginia, colonist Christopher Branch. How sound is it?
Thanks.

"Christopher Branch born at: ----- on: ca. 1602 died at: Henrico Co.,
VA on: will dated 20 June 1678-probated 20 Feb. 1681/82 married on:
2 Sept. 1619 to: Mary Addie, dau. of Francis Addie of Darton, Yorks
born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ante 1630 married
at: St. Peter's , Westcheap, London

Proof [s]

Cabell, op.cit., pp.25-27, 30-31; Adventurers, op. cit., v. 1 pp.
366-367..

<...>

The said: Childeric I, King of Franks 458-481 was the child of:

Mérovée (Merovech), governed the Salic Franks 448-457 (defeated Attila
"the Hun"451 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: ----- born at: ----- on: ----- died at:
----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p.162, Line 303 (53); Wood, op. cit, pp.
36-38,40,111."

Cut & pasted from our friends at the 'Order of the Merovingian Dynasty'?
Who would like to start?

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

gryphon801@aol.com

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av gryphon801@aol.com » 02 des 2007 23:38:02

On Dec 2, 3:13�pm, Nathaniel Taylor <nltay...@nltaylor.net> wrote:
In article
cc18a23f-d8b8-43e9-8944-b46f1e004...@j4 ... groups.com>,





�gro <gilrobi...@aol.com> wrote:
Dear friends,

I came across this descent from Clovis and the Merovingians to
Jamestowne, Virginia, colonist Christopher Branch. How sound is it?
Thanks.

"Christopher Branch born at: ----- on: ca. 1602 died at: Henrico Co.,
VA �on: will dated 20 June 1678-probated 20 Feb. 1681/82 married on:
2 Sept. 1619 to: �Mary Addie, dau. of �Francis Addie of Darton, Yorks
born at: �----- �on: �----- died at: �----- on: �ante 1630 married
at: �St. Peter's , Westcheap, London

Proof [s]

Cabell, op.cit., pp.25-27, 30-31; Adventurers, op. cit., v. 1 pp.
366-367..

...

The said: Childeric �I, King of Franks 458-481 was the child of:

M�rov�e (Merovech), governed the Salic Franks 448-457 (defeated Attila
"the Hun"451 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- �on: -----
married on: �----- �to: �----- �born at: �----- �on: �----- died at:
----- on: �----- married at: �-----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p.162, Line 303 (53); Wood, op. cit, pp.
36-38,40,111."

Cut & pasted from our friends at the 'Order of the Merovingian Dynasty'? �
Who would like to start?

Nat Taylorhttp://www.nltaylor.net- Hide quoted text -

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So far as I know, all descents from the Merovingians lack clear proof,
including the very possible descent of Charlemagne's mother. This has
been a matter of dispute for many years.

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 02 des 2007 23:57:04

In article
<2f80398b-34c8-40a0-b1ea-c62a7deaf17a@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"gryphon801@aol.com" <gryphon801@aol.com> wrote:

On Dec 2, 3:13?pm, Nathaniel Taylor <nltay...@nltaylor.net> wrote:
In article
cc18a23f-d8b8-43e9-8944-b46f1e004...@j4 ... groups.com>,





?gro <gilrobi...@aol.com> wrote:
Dear friends,

I came across this descent from Clovis and the Merovingians to
Jamestowne, Virginia, colonist Christopher Branch. How sound is it?
Thanks.

"Christopher Branch born at: ----- on: ca. 1602 died at: Henrico Co.,
VA ?on: will dated 20 June 1678-probated 20 Feb. 1681/82 married on:
2 Sept. 1619 to: ?Mary Addie, dau. of ?Francis Addie of Darton, Yorks
born at: ?----- ?on: ?----- died at: ?----- on: ?ante 1630 married
at: ?St. Peter's , Westcheap, London

Proof [s]

Cabell, op.cit., pp.25-27, 30-31; Adventurers, op. cit., v. 1 pp.
366-367..

...

The said: Childeric ?I, King of Franks 458-481 was the child of:

M?rov?e (Merovech), governed the Salic Franks 448-457 (defeated Attila
"the Hun"451 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- ?on: -----
married on: ?----- ?to: ?----- ?born at: ?----- ?on: ?----- died at:
----- on: ?----- married at: ?-----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p.162, Line 303 (53); Wood, op. cit, pp.
36-38,40,111."

Cut & pasted from our friends at the 'Order of the Merovingian Dynasty'? ?
Who would like to start?

Nat Taylorhttp://www.nltaylor.net- Hide quoted text -

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So far as I know, all descents from the Merovingians lack clear proof,
including the very possible descent of Charlemagne's mother. This has
been a matter of dispute for many years.

Yes, that's the inconvenient truth for this particular lineage society
-- why I brought it up a week ago, and perhaps why someone has posted
this line at this time.

Perhaps we should talk about Bertrada of Prum?

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

alden@mindspring.com

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av alden@mindspring.com » 03 des 2007 01:06:02

On Dec 2, 4:51 pm, gro <gilrobi...@aol.com> wrote:
Dear friends,

I came across this descent from Clovis and the Merovingians to
Jamestowne, Virginia, colonist Christopher Branch. How sound is it?
Thanks.

"Christopher Branch born at: ----- on: ca. 1602 died at: Henrico Co.,
VA on: will dated 20 June 1678-probated 20 Feb. 1681/82 married on:
2 Sept. 1619 to: Mary Addie, dau. of Francis Addie of Darton, Yorks
born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ante 1630 married
at: St. Peter's , Westcheap, London

Proof [s]

Cabell, op.cit., pp.25-27, 30-31; Adventurers, op. cit., v. 1 pp.
366-367..

The said: Christopher Branch was the child of:

Lionel Branch born at: bapt. St. Helen's Church, Abingdon, Berks on:
18 Aug. 1566 died at: prob. London on: ca. 1605 married on: 8 July
1596 to: Valentia Sparke born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: ----- married at: St. Martin's Ludgate,London

Proof [s]

Cabell, James Branch "Branch of Abington." Richmond, VA, William Ellis
Jones' Sons, 1911. pp. 71-73,91-92; Adventuers, op. cit., v. 1 p.366.

The said: Lionel Branch was the child of:

William Branch of Abington, Berks born at: ----- on: post 1524 died
at: ----- on: will proved 24 Apr. 1602, bur.St. Helen's Church,
Abington, Berks married on: ----- to: Katherine Jennings born at:
----- on: ----- died at: bur. St. Helen's, Abingdon, Berks on: 25
Aug. 1597 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., pp. 49,52-53, 113

The said: Katherine Jennings was the child of:

Thomas Jennings of Abingdon, Berks born at: ----- on: ca. 1516

died at: prob. Abingdon, Berks on: betw. 8 Apr. and 6 May 1561
married on: ----- to: Alice Bright born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: before 1561 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., pp. 52-53, 1113, 115

The said: Thomas Jennings was the child of:

William Jennings of Abington, Berks born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Jone Bostock,
sister of Ralph Bostock of Abington, Berks born at: ----- on: ca.
1500 died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., pp. 112-113

The said: Jone Bostock was the child of:

George Bostock of Childs Arcoll, Ches. born at: ----- on: ca. 1480

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Jone Horne of
Childs Arcoll, Ches born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., p. 112; "Visitation of Cheshire 1580" (Harleian
Soc. Pub. London, 1882. v. 18 p. 32)

The said: George Bostock was the child of:

Hugh Bostock born at: ----- on: ca. 1455 died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: Jone (Jane) Delheath dau. & Coheir of John
Delheath of Churton Heath, Ches. born at: ----- on: ----- died
at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., p. 112; Visit, op. cit., p. 31

The said: Hugh Bostock was the child of:

Nicholas Bostock of Mobberley, Ches. born at: ----- on: ca. 1435

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Katherine Mobberley,
dau. & coheir of Sir William Mobberley of Mobberley born at: -----
on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s] Cabell, IBID, Visit, op. cit., pp. 28, 31; "Burke's Landed
Gentry.."18th ed. London, Burke's Peerage, 1965. v. 1 p. 82 ; Omerod,
George "The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester..."
London, George Routledge and Sons, 1882. v. 3 p. 259.

The said: Nicholas Bostock was the child of:

Sir Adam Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: prob. Bostock, Ches. on:
22 Feb. 1412/13 died at: ----- on: 30 Apr. 1475 married on: -----

to: Elizabeth Venables, dau. of Sir Richard Venables, Baron of
Kinderton, Ches. born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Burke. IBID; Omerod, IBID.

The said: Sir Adam Bostock was the child of:

Sir Ralph Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: ----- on: 1392

died at: ----- on: 1418/19 married on: ----- to: Isabel Lawton,
dau. of William Lawton of Wigland, Ches born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Burke, IBID ; Omerod, IBID

The said: Sir Ralph Bostock was the child of:

Adam Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: ----- on: 18 Aug. 1363 died
at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Jonet (Janet) Bradshaw,
dau. of Sir Henry Bradshaw of Bradshaw, Lancs born at: ----- on:
----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Burke, op. cit., pp.81-82 ; Omerod, IBID.

The said: Adam Bostock was the child of:

Sir Adam Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: ----- on: living 1344 died
at: ----- on: 1373/74 married on: ----- to: Margaret de
Wettenhall born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married at: -----

Proof [s]

Burke, op. cit., p.81 ; Omerod, op. cit., v. 2, p. 195, v. 3 p. 259.

The said: Margaret de Wettenhall was the child of:

Sir John de Wettenhall of Acton, Ches. born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Agnes Arderne born
at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Omerod, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 85, 195.

The said: Agnes Arderne was the child of:

Sir John Arderne of Aldford, Ches. born at: ----- on: 1266

died at: ----- on: ca. 1308 married on: bef. 1299 to: Margaret ap
Griffin born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married at: -----

Proof [s]

Omerod, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 77, 85.

The said: Margaret ap Griffin was the child of:

Griffin ap Madoc, Lord of Brimfield, Prince of Powys Vadog born at:
----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to:
Emma de Audley, widow of Henry Tuschet (Tuchet, Touchet), in 1241/42
born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at:
-----

Proof [s]

Omerod, IBID ; Delafield, John Ross "Delafield:The Family History."
NY, The Author, 1945. v. 2 p. 594.

The said: Emma de Audley was the child of:

Henry de Audley (Alditelegh, Aldlegh) born at: ----- on: ca. 1175 died
at: ----- on: bef. Nov.1246 married on: 1217 to: Bertrade de
Mainwaring born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: living 1249 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Delafield, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 592-594, 597; Ormerod, op. cit., v. I
p. 122.

The said: Bertrade de Mainwaring was the child of:

Sir Ralph de Mainwaring, Seneschal(Justice) of Chester, temp. Henry
II, Richard I born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: Amicia of Chester born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Delafield, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 595-597; Omerod, op. cit., v. 1 pp.
28-32, 121-122.

The said: Amicia of Chester was the child of:

Hugh "Kevelioc", Earl of Chester born at: ----- on: 1147

died at: Leeke, Staffs on: 1181 married on: -----

to: ----- born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married at: -----

Proof [s]

Delafield, op. cit., v. 2 p. 597 ; "Ancestral Roots." 7th ed.
Baltimore, GPC, 1992. p. 114; Omerod,IBID.

The said: Hugh of Chester was the child of:

Ranulph de Gernon, Earl of Chester born at: ----- on: -----

died at: bur. St. Warburg's , Chester on: 116 Dec. 1153 married on:
ca. 1141 to: Maud de Caen( of Gloucester) born at: ----- on:
----- died at: ----- on: 29 July 1189 married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., p. 207

The said: Maud de Caen was the child of:

Robert de Caen, Earl of Gloucester born at: ----- on: -----

died at: Bristol on: 31 Oct. 1147 married on: ----- to: Maud, dau
of Robert Fitz Hamon born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp. 112,114

The said: Robert de Caen was the child of:

Henry I, King of England born at: Selby, Yorks on: 1068/70

died at: Angers on: 1 Dec. 1135, bur at Reading Cathedral, Berks
married on: ----- to: unknown mistress born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp. 108,112 ; Stuart, Roderick W. "Royalty For
Commoners" 4th ed. Baltimore, GPC, 2002. p. 50

The said: Henry I was the child of:

William I "The Conqueror", Duke of Normandy, King of Englamd born at:
Falaise, Normandy on: ca. 1028 died at: Rouen on: 9 Sept. 1087, bur
at Caen married on: ca. 1051/53 to: Matilda of Flanders born at:
----- on: ca. 1032 died at: Caen on: 3 Nov. 1083 married at: EU

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp. 108,142; Stuart, op. cit., pp. 50, 76

The said: Matilda of Flanders was the child of:

Baldwin V de Lille, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: ca. 1012/13
died at: Lille on: 1 Sept. 1067 married on: 1028

to: Adele of France born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
8 Jan. 1078/79 married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., p. 142 ; Stuart, op. cit., pp. 75-76.

The said: Baldwin V was the child of:

Baldwin IV, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: 30 May 1035 married on: ca. 1012

to: Otgiva of Luxembourg born at: ----- on: ca. 995

died at: ----- on: 21 Feb. 1030 married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, IBID; Stuart, op. cit., pp. 76, 190.

The said: Baldwin IV was the child of:

Arnold II "The Young", Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: 961/62
died at: ----- on: 30 March 987, bur at Ghent married on: ca. 968
to: Susanna (Rosella) ,Priness of Italy, heiress of Montreuil-sur-
Mer. She married secondly Robert II, King of France born at: -----
on: ca. 950 died at: ----- on: 7 Feb/ 13 DEc. 1003, bur at Ghent
married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp.128, 142; Stuart, op. cit, pp. 76, 181 ; Rosch,
Siegfried "Caroli Magni Progenies" Neustadt, Degener, 1977. p. 167,
170.

The said: Arnold II was the child of:

Baldwin III, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: ca. 940 died at: St.
Bertin on: 1 Jan. 1961/62 married on: 961 to: Matilda of Saxony.
She married secondly, ca. 963 Godfrey of Verdun born at: -----
on: ----- died at: ----- on: 25 May 1008 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p. 59, 76; Rosch, op. cit., pp. 138, 170.

The said: Baldwin III was the child of:

Arnold I "The Old", Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: 885/890 died
at: ----- on: 27 March 964 married on: (2) 934 to:
Adela(Adelaide) of Vermandois born at: ----- on: ca. 910/15 died
at: Bruges on: 958/960 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., pp.93, 76 ;Rosch, op. cit., pp. 117, 124, 138.

The said: Arnold I was the child of:

Baldwin II, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: ca. 863/865

died at: ----- on: 918 married on: 884 to: Aelfthryth of Wessex,
dau. of Alfred "The Great", King of England born at: ----- on: ca.
877 died at: ----- on: 7 June 929 married at: -----

Proof [s] Stuart, op. cit., p. 76,128 ; Rosch, op. cit., pp. 99, 117.

The said: Baldwin II was the child of:

Baldwin I "Bras de Fer", Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: -----
died at: Arras on: 879 married on: 862, as her third husband

to: Judith of France, widow of Aethelwulf , King of Wessex, &
Aethelbald, King of Wessex born at: ----- on: ca. 844

died at: ----- on: after 870 married at: Auxerre

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., pp. 83, 99 ; Rosch, op. cit., pp. 82-83,99

The said: Judith of France was the child of:

Charles II "The Bald", King of France born at: Frankfurt-am-Main on:
13 June 823 died at: Brides-les-Bains, Savoy on: 6 Oct. 877, bur at
St. Denis married on: (1) 13 Dec. 842 to: Ermentrude of Orleans
born at: ----- on: 27 Sept. ca. 830 died at: ----- on: 6 Oct.
869, bur. at St. Denis married at: Queercy-sur-Oise

Proof [s]

Rosch, op. cit., pp. 69, 82-83

The said: Charles II was the child of:

Louis I "The Fat", King of France born at: Herbst-in-Chasseneuil,
Gironde on: after 16 Apr. 778 died at: Rheininsel-bei-Ingelheim on:
20 June 840 married on: (2) Feb. 819 to: Judith of Bavaria born
at: ----- on: ca. 805 died at: Tours on: 19 Apr. 843 married at:
-----

Proof [s]

Rosch, op. cit., pp. 63,68-69

The said: Louis I was the child of:

Charlemagne, King of France, Holy Roman Emperor born at: Ingelheim on:
2 Apr. 742 died at: Aix-la-Chapelle on: 28 Jan. 813/14 married on:
771 bef. 30 Apr. to: Hildegarde of Swabia born at: ----- on: 758
died at: ----- on: 30 Apr. 783, bur. at Metz married at: -----

Proof [s]

Rosch, op. cit., pp. 48-64

The said: Charlemagne (Charles I) Emperor was the child of:

Bertha "Broadfoot" of Laon, Aisne, France born at: on: c. 720 died
at: on: 12 July 783 married on: c. 740 to: Pippin III "The
Short" Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia, Kng of the Franks born at:
Austrasia on: 715 died at: St. Denis, France on: 24 Sept 768
married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, Roderick W."Royalty for Commoners" Fourth Edition, p. 95,
Line 171-42, p. 116, 214-42

The said: Bertha "Broadfoot" of Laon, Aisne, France was the child of:

Caribert (Cambert, Charibert), Count of Laon? born at: ----- on: liv
720-747 died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Bertrada
born at: ----- on: -----died at: ----- on: ----- married at:
-----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p. 116, Line 214-43

The said: Caribert (Cambert, Charibert), Count of Laon----- was the
child of:

Bertrada, a Merovingian princess, founded the abbey of Prun 720 born
at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to:
Martin of Laon, son of Anguise, Mayor of the Palace born at: -----
on: -----died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s] Stuart, op. cit., p. 116, Line 214-44

The said: Bertrada, a Merovingian princess, founded the abbey of
Prun720 was the child of:

Theoderic(Theuderic)349,362, etc. III, King of Burgundy, 670 and the
Franks, 690/691 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: Chrodochild, Queen Regent, 690/691 born at:
----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 116, Line 214-45; Wood, Ian. "The Merovingian
Kingdoms, 450-751." Harlow, Eng., Longman,Pearson Education, 1994. pp.
349,356, 362, etc.

The said: Theoderic III, King of Burgundy, 670 and the Franks, 690/691
was the child of:

Clovis II , King of Neustria and Burgundy639-656/57 born at: ----- on:
c. 634 died at: ----- on: Oct or Nov 657 married on: c. 649 to:
Balthilde, Queen of Neustria and Burgundy born at: Anglia (sold into
slavery in the French royal court on: c. 627 died at: ----- on: 30
Jan 680 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Wood, op. cit., pp. 349, 352,357, etc. ;http://pascale.olivaux.free.fr/Histoire/Pages/merovingien.htm;http://www.kessler-web.co.uk/History/KingListsEurope/FranceFranks.htm;http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9024459

The said: Clovis II , King of Neustria and Burgundy----- was the child
of:

Dagobert I, King of Austrasia, 622-628; King of Franks 628-638 born
at: ----- on: 602 died at: ----- on: 639 married on: ----- to: (2)
Nantechild, a Saxon, Queen Mother, 639 born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303 (47); Wood, op. cit., pp. 156, 349,
357, 360

The said: Dagobert I, King of Austrasia, 622-628; King of Franks
628-638 was the child of:

Clothaire(Chlothar) II, King of Neustria 584; King of Franks 613-628
born at: ----- on: 584 died at: ----- on: 629 married on: ----- to:
Haldetrude/ Berthertrude born at: ----- on: ----- died at: -----
on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p. 162, Line 303 (48); Wood, op. cit., pp. 348,355

The said: Clothaire(Chlothar) II, King of Neustria 584; King of Franks
613-628 was the child of:

Chilperic I, King of Neustria 539-584 born at: ----- on: ----- died
at: ----- on: 584 married on: ----- to: (2) or (3) Fredegunde
("One of the most bloodthirsty women in history") born at: -----
on: 543 died at: ----- on: 596/7 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303 (49); Wood, op. cit, pp.345, 348,
354,358,etc.

The said: Chilperic I, King of Neustria 539-584 was the child of:

Clothaire( Chlothar) I , King of Soissons 511; King of Orleans 524;
King of Frnace 558-561 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
561 married on: ----- to: (4) Aregund born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303 (50); Wood, op. cit., pp.
344,351,355, etc.

The said: Clothaire(Chlothar) I, King of Soissons 511; King of Orleans
524; King of Frnace 558-561 was the child of:

Clovis I "the Great", King of Salic Franks, 481-511; King of France
born at: ----- on: 466 died at: Paris on: 27 Nov 511 married on:
492 to: St. Saint Saint Clothilda (Chlothild) of Burgundy, dau. of
Chilperic II, King of Burgundy, Queen of the Franks, 492/3-544 born
at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: 544 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303(51), p. 188 Line 349 (51); Wood,
op. cit., pp.41-54,344,356,-357.

The said: Clovis I, "the Great", King of Salic Franks, 481-511; King
of France was the child of:

Childeric I, King of Franks 458-481 born at: ----- on: c. 436 died at:
----- on: 481 married on: ----- to: Basina, former wife of
Bisinus, King of of Thuringia born at: ----- on: ----- died at:
----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162 , Line 303 (52); Wood, op. cit., pp.38-41

The said: Childeric I, King of Franks 458-481 was the child of:

Mérovée (Merovech), governed the Salic Franks 448-457 (defeated Attila
"the Hun"451 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: ----- born at: ----- on: ----- died at:
----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p.162, Line 303 (53); Wood, op. cit, pp.
36-38,40,111."

See Leo van de Pas at http://www.genealogics.org for this line.

There are a number of issues even at the beginning, confusion in the
Arderne generations, however with some corrections there does appear
to be adescent from Henry I.

The Merovingian connection is, of course, quite speculative. Stuart's
Royalty for Comoners is not a reliable source.

You will find many relevant discussions in the archives.

Doug Smith

Gjest

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av Gjest » 03 des 2007 05:30:05

On Dec 2, 4:01 pm, "al...@mindspring.com" <al...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
On Dec 2, 4:51 pm, gro <gilrobi...@aol.com> wrote:

Dear friends,

I came across this descent from Clovis and the Merovingians to
Jamestowne, Virginia, colonist Christopher Branch. How sound is it?
Thanks.

"Christopher Branch born at: ----- on: ca. 1602 died at: Henrico Co.,
VA on: will dated 20 June 1678-probated 20 Feb. 1681/82 married on:
2 Sept. 1619 to: Mary Addie, dau. of Francis Addie of Darton, Yorks
born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ante 1630 married
at: St. Peter's , Westcheap, London

Proof [s]

Cabell, op.cit., pp.25-27, 30-31; Adventurers, op. cit., v. 1 pp.
366-367..

The said: Christopher Branch was the child of:

Lionel Branch born at: bapt. St. Helen's Church, Abingdon, Berks on:
18 Aug. 1566 died at: prob. London on: ca. 1605 married on: 8 July
1596 to: Valentia Sparke born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: ----- married at: St. Martin's Ludgate,London

Proof [s]

Cabell, James Branch "Branch of Abington." Richmond, VA, William Ellis
Jones' Sons, 1911. pp. 71-73,91-92; Adventuers, op. cit., v. 1 p.366.

The said: Lionel Branch was the child of:

William Branch of Abington, Berks born at: ----- on: post 1524 died
at: ----- on: will proved 24 Apr. 1602, bur.St. Helen's Church,
Abington, Berks married on: ----- to: Katherine Jennings born at:
----- on: ----- died at: bur. St. Helen's, Abingdon, Berks on: 25
Aug. 1597 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., pp. 49,52-53, 113

The said: Katherine Jennings was the child of:

Thomas Jennings of Abingdon, Berks born at: ----- on: ca. 1516

died at: prob. Abingdon, Berks on: betw. 8 Apr. and 6 May 1561
married on: ----- to: Alice Bright born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: before 1561 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., pp. 52-53, 1113, 115

The said: Thomas Jennings was the child of:

William Jennings of Abington, Berks born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Jone Bostock,
sister of Ralph Bostock of Abington, Berks born at: ----- on: ca.
1500 died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., pp. 112-113

The said: Jone Bostock was the child of:

George Bostock of Childs Arcoll, Ches. born at: ----- on: ca. 1480

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Jone Horne of
Childs Arcoll, Ches born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., p. 112; "Visitation of Cheshire 1580" (Harleian
Soc. Pub. London, 1882. v. 18 p. 32)

The said: George Bostock was the child of:

Hugh Bostock born at: ----- on: ca. 1455 died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: Jone (Jane) Delheath dau. & Coheir of John
Delheath of Churton Heath, Ches. born at: ----- on: ----- died
at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Cabell, op. cit., p. 112; Visit, op. cit., p. 31

The said: Hugh Bostock was the child of:

Nicholas Bostock of Mobberley, Ches. born at: ----- on: ca. 1435

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Katherine Mobberley,
dau. & coheir of Sir William Mobberley of Mobberley born at: -----
on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s] Cabell, IBID, Visit, op. cit., pp. 28, 31; "Burke's Landed
Gentry.."18th ed. London, Burke's Peerage, 1965. v. 1 p. 82 ; Omerod,
George "The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester..."
London, George Routledge and Sons, 1882. v. 3 p. 259.

The said: Nicholas Bostock was the child of:

Sir Adam Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: prob. Bostock, Ches. on:
22 Feb. 1412/13 died at: ----- on: 30 Apr. 1475 married on: -----

to: Elizabeth Venables, dau. of Sir Richard Venables, Baron of
Kinderton, Ches. born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Burke. IBID; Omerod, IBID.

The said: Sir Adam Bostock was the child of:

Sir Ralph Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: ----- on: 1392

died at: ----- on: 1418/19 married on: ----- to: Isabel Lawton,
dau. of William Lawton of Wigland, Ches born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Burke, IBID ; Omerod, IBID

The said: Sir Ralph Bostock was the child of:

Adam Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: ----- on: 18 Aug. 1363 died
at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Jonet (Janet) Bradshaw,
dau. of Sir Henry Bradshaw of Bradshaw, Lancs born at: ----- on:
----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Burke, op. cit., pp.81-82 ; Omerod, IBID.

The said: Adam Bostock was the child of:

Sir Adam Bostock of Bostock, Ches. born at: ----- on: living 1344 died
at: ----- on: 1373/74 married on: ----- to: Margaret de
Wettenhall born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married at: -----

Proof [s]

Burke, op. cit., p.81 ; Omerod, op. cit., v. 2, p. 195, v. 3 p. 259.

The said: Margaret de Wettenhall was the child of:

Sir John de Wettenhall of Acton, Ches. born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Agnes Arderne born
at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Omerod, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 85, 195.

The said: Agnes Arderne was the child of:

Sir John Arderne of Aldford, Ches. born at: ----- on: 1266

died at: ----- on: ca. 1308 married on: bef. 1299 to: Margaret ap
Griffin born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married at: -----

Proof [s]

Omerod, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 77, 85.

The said: Margaret ap Griffin was the child of:

Griffin ap Madoc, Lord of Brimfield, Prince of Powys Vadog born at:
----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to:
Emma de Audley, widow of Henry Tuschet (Tuchet, Touchet), in 1241/42
born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at:
-----

Proof [s]

Omerod, IBID ; Delafield, John Ross "Delafield:The Family History."
NY, The Author, 1945. v. 2 p. 594.

The said: Emma de Audley was the child of:

Henry de Audley (Alditelegh, Aldlegh) born at: ----- on: ca. 1175 died
at: ----- on: bef. Nov.1246 married on: 1217 to: Bertrade de
Mainwaring born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: living 1249 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Delafield, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 592-594, 597; Ormerod, op. cit., v. I
p. 122.

The said: Bertrade de Mainwaring was the child of:

Sir Ralph de Mainwaring, Seneschal(Justice) of Chester, temp. Henry
II, Richard I born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: Amicia of Chester born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Delafield, op. cit., v. 2 pp. 595-597; Omerod, op. cit., v. 1 pp.
28-32, 121-122.

The said: Amicia of Chester was the child of:

Hugh "Kevelioc", Earl of Chester born at: ----- on: 1147

died at: Leeke, Staffs on: 1181 married on: -----

to: ----- born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married at: -----

Proof [s]

Delafield, op. cit., v. 2 p. 597 ; "Ancestral Roots." 7th ed.
Baltimore, GPC, 1992. p. 114; Omerod,IBID.

The said: Hugh of Chester was the child of:

Ranulph de Gernon, Earl of Chester born at: ----- on: -----

died at: bur. St. Warburg's , Chester on: 116 Dec. 1153 married on:
ca. 1141 to: Maud de Caen( of Gloucester) born at: ----- on:
----- died at: ----- on: 29 July 1189 married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., p. 207

The said: Maud de Caen was the child of:

Robert de Caen, Earl of Gloucester born at: ----- on: -----

died at: Bristol on: 31 Oct. 1147 married on: ----- to: Maud, dau
of Robert Fitz Hamon born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp. 112,114

The said: Robert de Caen was the child of:

Henry I, King of England born at: Selby, Yorks on: 1068/70

died at: Angers on: 1 Dec. 1135, bur at Reading Cathedral, Berks
married on: ----- to: unknown mistress born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp. 108,112 ; Stuart, Roderick W. "Royalty For
Commoners" 4th ed. Baltimore, GPC, 2002. p. 50

The said: Henry I was the child of:

William I "The Conqueror", Duke of Normandy, King of Englamd born at:
Falaise, Normandy on: ca. 1028 died at: Rouen on: 9 Sept. 1087, bur
at Caen married on: ca. 1051/53 to: Matilda of Flanders born at:
----- on: ca. 1032 died at: Caen on: 3 Nov. 1083 married at: EU

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp. 108,142; Stuart, op. cit., pp. 50, 76

The said: Matilda of Flanders was the child of:

Baldwin V de Lille, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: ca. 1012/13
died at: Lille on: 1 Sept. 1067 married on: 1028

to: Adele of France born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
8 Jan. 1078/79 married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., p. 142 ; Stuart, op. cit., pp. 75-76.

The said: Baldwin V was the child of:

Baldwin IV, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: 30 May 1035 married on: ca. 1012

to: Otgiva of Luxembourg born at: ----- on: ca. 995

died at: ----- on: 21 Feb. 1030 married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, IBID; Stuart, op. cit., pp. 76, 190.

The said: Baldwin IV was the child of:

Arnold II "The Young", Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: 961/62
died at: ----- on: 30 March 987, bur at Ghent married on: ca. 968
to: Susanna (Rosella) ,Priness of Italy, heiress of Montreuil-sur-
Mer. She married secondly Robert II, King of France born at: -----
on: ca. 950 died at: ----- on: 7 Feb/ 13 DEc. 1003, bur at Ghent
married at: -----

Proof [s]

AR, op. cit., pp.128, 142; Stuart, op. cit, pp. 76, 181 ; Rosch,
Siegfried "Caroli Magni Progenies" Neustadt, Degener, 1977. p. 167,
170.

The said: Arnold II was the child of:

Baldwin III, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: ca. 940 died at: St.
Bertin on: 1 Jan. 1961/62 married on: 961 to: Matilda of Saxony.
She married secondly, ca. 963 Godfrey of Verdun born at: -----
on: ----- died at: ----- on: 25 May 1008 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p. 59, 76; Rosch, op. cit., pp. 138, 170.

The said: Baldwin III was the child of:

Arnold I "The Old", Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: 885/890 died
at: ----- on: 27 March 964 married on: (2) 934 to:
Adela(Adelaide) of Vermandois born at: ----- on: ca. 910/15 died
at: Bruges on: 958/960 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., pp.93, 76 ;Rosch, op. cit., pp. 117, 124, 138.

The said: Arnold I was the child of:

Baldwin II, Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: ca. 863/865

died at: ----- on: 918 married on: 884 to: Aelfthryth of Wessex,
dau. of Alfred "The Great", King of England born at: ----- on: ca.
877 died at: ----- on: 7 June 929 married at: -----

Proof [s] Stuart, op. cit., p. 76,128 ; Rosch, op. cit., pp. 99, 117.

The said: Baldwin II was the child of:

Baldwin I "Bras de Fer", Count of Flanders born at: ----- on: -----
died at: Arras on: 879 married on: 862, as her third husband

to: Judith of France, widow of Aethelwulf , King of Wessex, &
Aethelbald, King of Wessex born at: ----- on: ca. 844

died at: ----- on: after 870 married at: Auxerre

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., pp. 83, 99 ; Rosch, op. cit., pp. 82-83,99

The said: Judith of France was the child of:

Charles II "The Bald", King of France born at: Frankfurt-am-Main on:
13 June 823 died at: Brides-les-Bains, Savoy on: 6 Oct. 877, bur at
St. Denis married on: (1) 13 Dec. 842 to: Ermentrude of Orleans
born at: ----- on: 27 Sept. ca. 830 died at: ----- on: 6 Oct.
869, bur. at St. Denis married at: Queercy-sur-Oise

Proof [s]

Rosch, op. cit., pp. 69, 82-83

The said: Charles II was the child of:

Louis I "The Fat", King of France born at: Herbst-in-Chasseneuil,
Gironde on: after 16 Apr. 778 died at: Rheininsel-bei-Ingelheim on:
20 June 840 married on: (2) Feb. 819 to: Judith of Bavaria born
at: ----- on: ca. 805 died at: Tours on: 19 Apr. 843 married at:
-----

Proof [s]

Rosch, op. cit., pp. 63,68-69

The said: Louis I was the child of:

Charlemagne, King of France, Holy Roman Emperor born at: Ingelheim on:
2 Apr. 742 died at: Aix-la-Chapelle on: 28 Jan. 813/14 married on:
771 bef. 30 Apr. to: Hildegarde of Swabia born at: ----- on: 758
died at: ----- on: 30 Apr. 783, bur. at Metz married at: -----

Proof [s]

Rosch, op. cit., pp. 48-64

The said: Charlemagne (Charles I) Emperor was the child of:

Bertha "Broadfoot" of Laon, Aisne, France born at: on: c. 720 died
at: on: 12 July 783 married on: c. 740 to: Pippin III "The
Short" Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia, Kng of the Franks born at:
Austrasia on: 715 died at: St. Denis, France on: 24 Sept 768
married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, Roderick W."Royalty for Commoners" Fourth Edition, p. 95,
Line 171-42, p. 116, 214-42

The said: Bertha "Broadfoot" of Laon, Aisne, France was the child of:

Caribert (Cambert, Charibert), Count of Laon? born at: ----- on: liv
720-747 died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to: Bertrada
born at: ----- on: -----died at: ----- on: ----- married at:
-----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p. 116, Line 214-43

The said: Caribert (Cambert, Charibert), Count of Laon----- was the
child of:

Bertrada, a Merovingian princess, founded the abbey of Prun 720 born
at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married on: ----- to:
Martin of Laon, son of Anguise, Mayor of the Palace born at: -----
on: -----died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s] Stuart, op. cit., p. 116, Line 214-44

The said: Bertrada, a Merovingian princess, founded the abbey of
Prun720 was the child of:

Theoderic(Theuderic)349,362, etc. III, King of Burgundy, 670 and the
Franks, 690/691 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: Chrodochild, Queen Regent, 690/691 born at:
----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 116, Line 214-45; Wood, Ian. "The Merovingian
Kingdoms, 450-751." Harlow, Eng., Longman,Pearson Education, 1994. pp.
349,356, 362, etc.

The said: Theoderic III, King of Burgundy, 670 and the Franks, 690/691
was the child of:

Clovis II , King of Neustria and Burgundy639-656/57 born at: ----- on:
c. 634 died at: ----- on: Oct or Nov 657 married on: c. 649 to:
Balthilde, Queen of Neustria and Burgundy born at: Anglia (sold into
slavery in the French royal court on: c. 627 died at: ----- on: 30
Jan 680 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Wood, op. cit., pp. 349, 352,357, etc. ;http://pascale.olivaux.free.fr/Histoire/Pages/merovingien.htm;http://...

The said: Clovis II , King of Neustria and Burgundy----- was the child
of:

Dagobert I, King of Austrasia, 622-628; King of Franks 628-638 born
at: ----- on: 602 died at: ----- on: 639 married on: ----- to: (2)
Nantechild, a Saxon, Queen Mother, 639 born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303 (47); Wood, op. cit., pp. 156, 349,
357, 360

The said: Dagobert I, King of Austrasia, 622-628; King of Franks
628-638 was the child of:

Clothaire(Chlothar) II, King of Neustria 584; King of Franks 613-628
born at: ----- on: 584 died at: ----- on: 629 married on: ----- to:
Haldetrude/ Berthertrude born at: ----- on: ----- died at: -----
on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p. 162, Line 303 (48); Wood, op. cit., pp. 348,355

The said: Clothaire(Chlothar) II, King of Neustria 584; King of Franks
613-628 was the child of:

Chilperic I, King of Neustria 539-584 born at: ----- on: ----- died
at: ----- on: 584 married on: ----- to: (2) or (3) Fredegunde
("One of the most bloodthirsty women in history") born at: -----
on: 543 died at: ----- on: 596/7 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303 (49); Wood, op. cit, pp.345, 348,
354,358,etc.

The said: Chilperic I, King of Neustria 539-584 was the child of:

Clothaire( Chlothar) I , King of Soissons 511; King of Orleans 524;
King of Frnace 558-561 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on:
561 married on: ----- to: (4) Aregund born at: ----- on: -----
died at: ----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303 (50); Wood, op. cit., pp.
344,351,355, etc.

The said: Clothaire(Chlothar) I, King of Soissons 511; King of Orleans
524; King of Frnace 558-561 was the child of:

Clovis I "the Great", King of Salic Franks, 481-511; King of France
born at: ----- on: 466 died at: Paris on: 27 Nov 511 married on:
492 to: St. Saint Saint Clothilda (Chlothild) of Burgundy, dau. of
Chilperic II, King of Burgundy, Queen of the Franks, 492/3-544 born
at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: 544 married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162, Line 303(51), p. 188 Line 349 (51); Wood,
op. cit., pp.41-54,344,356,-357.

The said: Clovis I, "the Great", King of Salic Franks, 481-511; King
of France was the child of:

Childeric I, King of Franks 458-481 born at: ----- on: c. 436 died at:
----- on: 481 married on: ----- to: Basina, former wife of
Bisinus, King of of Thuringia born at: ----- on: ----- died at:
----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162 , Line 303 (52); Wood, op. cit., pp.38-41

The said: Childeric I, King of Franks 458-481 was the child of:

Mérovée (Merovech), governed the Salic Franks 448-457 (defeated Attila
"the Hun"451 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: ----- born at: ----- on: ----- died at:
----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p.162, Line 303 (53); Wood, op. cit, pp.
36-38,40,111."

See Leo van de Pas athttp://www.genealogics.org for this line.

There are a number of issues even at the beginning, confusion in the
Arderne generations, however with some corrections there does appear
to be adescent from Henry I.

The Merovingian connection is, of course, quite speculative. Stuart's
Royalty for Comoners is not a reliable source.

You will find many relevant discussions in the archives.

Doug Smith

I find the use of the term "proofs" interesting. Citing a source,
particularly a secondary (or tertiary) source , is far from "proof".
That's aside from whatever genealogical & historical problems might be
in the line - which I would not be qualified to judge.

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 03 des 2007 05:40:29

In article
<218909c5-70da-4a56-9d1f-2119eaec222b@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
lostcooper@yahoo.com wrote:

<...>

Childeric I, King of Franks 458-481 born at: ----- on: c. 436 died at:
----- on: 481 married on: ----- to: Basina, former wife of
Bisinus, King of of Thuringia born at: ----- on: ----- died at:
----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit., p. 162 , Line 303 (52); Wood, op. cit., pp.38-41

The said: Childeric I, King of Franks 458-481 was the child of:

Mérovée (Merovech), governed the Salic Franks 448-457 (defeated Attila
"the Hun"451 born at: ----- on: ----- died at: ----- on: -----
married on: ----- to: ----- born at: ----- on: ----- died at:
----- on: ----- married at: -----

Proof [s]

Stuart, op. cit, p.162, Line 303 (53); Wood, op. cit, pp.
36-38,40,111."

<...>

I find the use of the term "proofs" interesting. Citing a source,
particularly a secondary (or tertiary) source , is far from "proof".
That's aside from whatever genealogical & historical problems might be
in the line - which I would not be qualified to judge.

This is the language of the lineage papers, or applications for
membership, in the 'Order of the Merovingian Dynasty' (from which this
line was cut-and-pasted: see --

http://www.merovingiandynasty.com/Branch.htm

--). Similar language is used in the application process of most of the
lineage societies in the US. It's particularly inapposite for the grey
areas of early medieval genealogy in which the Merovingians are found.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

wjhonson

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av wjhonson » 05 des 2007 07:26:02

I also believe that Christopher Branch, most likely has several lines
back to royalty, BUT the Jennings/Bostock line is problematic.

Someone (some nefarious person) has taken the Visitation and a few
slap-doodle thingies, and winged himself backward, then found a
marriage that *could* be the couple being spoken about, and slapped
them all up together into one wonderous descent. And called it
proven. It isn't.

The truth is more inconvenient.

Several of these generations have sparse to virtual no documentation,
so that we cannot be certain of when they were born, even to within a
half-century. So finding their correct placement in the tree becomes
almost impossible.

Nicholas Bostock, for example is given a birthyear of 1393 in some
sources, while you give him a year many decades off this. But is this
*that* Nicholas Bostock? Or just some convenient one who happens to be
better known?

Start closer in, and post the complete details quoting the sources,
let's see if they say anything useful.

Will Johnson

wjhonson

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av wjhonson » 05 des 2007 07:35:05

On Dec 2, 1:51 pm, gro <gilrobi...@aol.com> wrote:
The said: Christopher Branch was the child of:

Lionel Branch born at: bapt. St. Helen's Church, Abingdon, Berks on:
18 Aug. 1566 died at: prob. London on: ca. 1605 married on: 8 July
1596 to: Valentia Sparke born at: ----- on: -----

died at: ----- on: ----- married at: St. Martin's Ludgate,London

Proof [s]

Cabell, James Branch "Branch of Abington." Richmond, VA, William Ellis
Jones' Sons, 1911. pp. 71-73,91-92; Adventuers, op. cit., v. 1 p.366.

----------------------------

A thousand lashes.
The correct name is
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/3367263&re ... ef_results
Branch of Abingdon, being a partial account of the ancestry of
Christopher Branch of "Arrowhattocks" and "Kingsland" in Henrico
County, and the founder of the Branch family in Virginia,

The book exists at 55 libraries in the US

Will Johnson

wjhonson

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av wjhonson » 05 des 2007 07:40:05

On Dec 4, 10:32 pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
Cabell, James Branch "Branch of Abington." Richmond, VA, William Ellis
Jones' Sons, 1911. pp. 71-73,91-92; Adventuers, op. cit., v. 1 p.366.
----------------------------
A thousand lashes.
The correct name ishttp://www.worldcat.org/oclc/3367263& ... ef_results
Branch of Abingdon, being a partial account of the ancestry of
Christopher Branch of "Arrowhattocks" and "Kingsland" in Henrico
County, and the founder of the Branch family in Virginia,

The book exists at 55 libraries in the US

Will Johnson

AND Will, it exists in your Ancestry subscription.
For example for Lionel Branch, here is the page where James Branch
Cabell begins to talk about him.
http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx= ... rc=&pid=46

Gjest

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av Gjest » 07 des 2007 02:11:02

On Dec 2, 2:28 pm, "gryphon...@aol.com" <gryphon...@aol.com> wrote:
So far as I know, all descents from the Merovingians lack clear proof,
including the very possible descent of Charlemagne's mother. This has
been a matter of dispute for many years.

Just out of curiosity, what other claimed descents are you aware of?
The obvious two are through Bertrada and her kindred (which is
speculated to include William of Gellone) and the old line through
Arnulf (recently modified to go through the wife of Pepin). I know
there are some Iberian ones linking through Pedro of Cantabria to the
Visigoths and thence to the Merovingians, and through Egbert's
supposed Kent connection (and of course the Priory of Sion crap). Has
anyone seen any other claims? (As gryphon indicates, all speculative/
unsupported, but I am curious what has been suggested.) Isn't there a
Gascon line that supposedly traces to the Merovingians, or am I
misremembering it?

taf

Nathaniel Taylor

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 07 des 2007 04:05:43

In article
<ddb95ccf-d3e6-48a1-a00f-c9b00d4d89b7@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
taf@clearwire.net wrote:

On Dec 2, 2:28 pm, "gryphon...@aol.com" <gryphon...@aol.com> wrote:

So far as I know, all descents from the Merovingians lack clear proof,
including the very possible descent of Charlemagne's mother. This has
been a matter of dispute for many years.

Just out of curiosity, what other claimed descents are you aware of?
The obvious two are through Bertrada and her kindred (which is
speculated to include William of Gellone) and the old line through
Arnulf (recently modified to go through the wife of Pepin). I know
there are some Iberian ones linking through Pedro of Cantabria to the
Visigoths and thence to the Merovingians, and through Egbert's
supposed Kent connection (and of course the Priory of Sion crap). Has
anyone seen any other claims? (As gryphon indicates, all speculative/
unsupported, but I am curious what has been suggested.) Isn't there a
Gascon line that supposedly traces to the Merovingians, or am I
misremembering it?

How many descents does Turton have from genuine Merovingians? That
would give a state-of-the-speculation snapshot as of 1928.

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

Gjest

Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av Gjest » 07 des 2007 05:27:02

On Dec 6, 7:05 pm, Nathaniel Taylor <nltay...@nltaylor.net> wrote:
In article
ddb95ccf-d3e6-48a1-a00f-c9b00d4d8...@e2 ... groups.com>,



t...@clearwire.net wrote:
On Dec 2, 2:28 pm, "gryphon...@aol.com" <gryphon...@aol.com> wrote:

So far as I know, all descents from the Merovingians lack clear proof,
including the very possible descent of Charlemagne's mother. This has
been a matter of dispute for many years.

Just out of curiosity, what other claimed descents are you aware of?
The obvious two are through Bertrada and her kindred (which is
speculated to include William of Gellone) and the old line through
Arnulf (recently modified to go through the wife of Pepin). I know
there are some Iberian ones linking through Pedro of Cantabria to the
Visigoths and thence to the Merovingians, and through Egbert's
supposed Kent connection (and of course the Priory of Sion crap). Has
anyone seen any other claims? (As gryphon indicates, all speculative/
unsupported, but I am curious what has been suggested.) Isn't there a
Gascon line that supposedly traces to the Merovingians, or am I
misremembering it?

How many descents does Turton have from genuine Merovingians? That
would give a state-of-the-speculation snapshot as of 1928.

He shows several links with the supposed pre-Pedro Visigoths, and
traces the poorly documented early Gascon counts (e.g. Lupe Centule)
in the male line. The other two he traces go through the first wife of
Louis the Pious to a daughter of Charles Martel by Swanhilde of
Bavaria, who he then traces through the dukes for several generations
to a Merovingian marriage. The last is an Ethiconid descent with the
first Ethico marrying a Merovingian.

taf

Willem Nabuurs

RE: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

Legg inn av Willem Nabuurs » 07 des 2007 08:23:42

I have seen the following lines (all of which can be marked
suspicious/unlikely in my eyes):

Eckhardt, in his Studia Merovingica (1975):
- Charles Martel's wife Rotrud as a daughter of Chlothar IV
- Pippin the Younger's wife Bertrada as a great-granddaughter of Childeric
II
- Pippin the Elder's wife Ita as a Merovingian (her father Grimoald having a
line to Clovis via Theodebald, Theodebert I and Theoderic I)

Hlawitschka has published an article in Rheinische Vierteljahrsblatter
(1979) which has counter arguments for all the 3 lines presented by
Eckhardt.

Gewin, in Die Verwandtschaften und politische Beziehungen zwischen den
Westeuropaischen Furstenhausern im Fruhmittelalter (1964):
- Charles Martel as a son of Pippin I and a daughter of Childeric II

Furthermore he has Gundeberga, the wife of Grimoald and grandmother of
Pippin II via her daughter Begga, as a daughter of the Longobardian king
Agilolf and the Theodelinde. He has her as the daugher of Theodebald, son of
Theodebert I, son of Theoderic I. But he has Theoderic I not as a son of
Clovis (as usually shown) but as a son of the Ostrogoth king Theoderic the
Great (so this is actually not a Merovingian but an Ostrogoth descent)

Grote in his Stammtafeln (1877):
- Arnulf as a son of Arnold, him being a son of Ansbert and the Merovingian
princess Blithilde, daughter of Chlothar II

Willem Nabuurs

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Verzonden: vrijdag 7 december 2007 5:25
Aan: gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Onderwerp: Re: Clovis to Christopher Branch?

On Dec 6, 7:05 pm, Nathaniel Taylor <nltay...@nltaylor.net> wrote:
In article
ddb95ccf-d3e6-48a1-a00f-c9b00d4d8...@e2 ... groups.com>,



t...@clearwire.net wrote:
On Dec 2, 2:28 pm, "gryphon...@aol.com" <gryphon...@aol.com> wrote:

So far as I know, all descents from the Merovingians lack clear proof,
including the very possible descent of Charlemagne's mother. This has
been a matter of dispute for many years.

Just out of curiosity, what other claimed descents are you aware of?
The obvious two are through Bertrada and her kindred (which is
speculated to include William of Gellone) and the old line through
Arnulf (recently modified to go through the wife of Pepin). I know
there are some Iberian ones linking through Pedro of Cantabria to the
Visigoths and thence to the Merovingians, and through Egbert's
supposed Kent connection (and of course the Priory of Sion crap). Has
anyone seen any other claims? (As gryphon indicates, all speculative/
unsupported, but I am curious what has been suggested.) Isn't there a
Gascon line that supposedly traces to the Merovingians, or am I
misremembering it?

How many descents does Turton have from genuine Merovingians? That
would give a state-of-the-speculation snapshot as of 1928.

He shows several links with the supposed pre-Pedro Visigoths, and
traces the poorly documented early Gascon counts (e.g. Lupe Centule)
in the male line. The other two he traces go through the first wife of
Louis the Pious to a daughter of Charles Martel by Swanhilde of
Bavaria, who he then traces through the dukes for several generations
to a Merovingian marriage. The last is an Ethiconid descent with the
first Ethico marrying a Merovingian.

taf

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