PECK DESCENT FROM CHARLEMAGNE

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PECK DESCENT FROM CHARLEMAGNE

Legg inn av Bill Arnold » 29 nov 2007 22:50:09

PEDIGREE OF PECK IN THE BRITISH LIBRARY SHOWS THROUGH
MIDDLETONS AND PLUMPTONS DESCENT FROM CHARLEMAGNE:

Introduction to Medieval Scholars:
The Peck Pedigree in the British Library has a provenance
of 17thC/18thC, according to one scholar: "probably acquired
around 1790 to 1810," and rests upon both Tonge's Visitation
and *The Visitation of Yorkshire in the years 1563 and 1564*
made by William Flower, Esquire, Norroy King of Arms, edited by
Charles Best Norcliffe, M.A., of Langton, London, 1881. There
is no Peck Pedigree in Dugdale's Visitations of Yorke,
1665-1686, nor Flower's Visitations of the North, 1575.

Nat Taylor posted to gen-medieval about its *provenance.*
See: Nat Taylor, *Subject: Peck Pedigree: new information on
BL Add MS 5524,* Tue, 30 Oct 2007]. Key passages which relate
to the *provenance* are quoted below. Medieval scholars, other
than Nat Taylor, ought to be able to accomplish the goal set out
in gentleman and scholar Taylor's remarks quoted herein.

Descendant Ira B. Peck in *A Genealogical History of the Descendants
of Joseph Peck,* Mudge, Boston, 1868, and in a subsequent 1870 note
to the New England Historical Genealogical Register, stated very clearly
that Nicholas, the brother of Joseph and the Rev. Robert, expended
considerable time and money to have the updated pedigree charted
which included not only the Yorkshire Pecks but the Suffolk Pecks,
beginning with his grandfather, Robert Peck, the Elder, testator of 1556,
son of John Peck of Wakefield, Yorkshire, according to the Peck Pedigree
in the British Library. After both his parents' death, Nicholas Peck in
England inherited the family estate, lands, buildings, and papers. His
brothers, Joseph and the Rev. Robert, were emigrants to America, 1638.

In accordance with this knowledge, it behooves a Medieval Scholar to
obtain access to the same Peck pedigree in the British Library to view its
contents and pass judgment upon the soundness of this descent from
Charlemagne.

The following is an excerpt from Nat Taylor's post, cited above:
"I consulted printed sources on BL manuscripts...The BL divides all its
manuscripts into named collections (Cotton, Harley, etc.)--which all came
in together as large sets, and all others are simply 'Additional', numbered
consecutively from the early 1700s to the present...However, there is a
separate sort of work in print, uniquely for the period 1783 to 1835: a
subject index, published in 1849, listing individual items found in those
manuscripts, often down to the page level. This work is: _Index to the
Additional Manuscripts with those of the Egerton Collection preserved in
the British Museum and acquired in the years 1783-1835_ (London:
Trustees of the British Museum, 1849)...Under the heading "Peck, family of"
it lists 'Pedigree: [Add. MS] 5524, ff. 152, 152b, 153, 153b, and 154." and
"Arms: [Add. MS] 5524, folio 221'...While it is not a catalogue as such, and
so does not contain a volume-level description or provenance, the numbering
suggests that Add. MS 5524 was probably acquired around 1790 to 1810,
and that the Peck pedigree was in it before 1849. Browsing the index also
gives clues about the nature of the MS. On the same page of the index there
are references to -- Peche, family of (co. Suff.) Philipott, family of...This
suggests that the MS volume as a whole is an authentic antiquarian MS of at
least the 18th century--perhaps specializing in Suffolk pedigrees--acquired
by the BL at the end of the 18th century...If the document really comes from
the pen of Philpott or one of his confreres, it most likely was done for Nicholas
Peck, brother of the emigrant. He is said to have married an heraldic heiress;
his son is the only person of the next generation noted, and there is a
six-quarter achievement (incorrectly so, as the fourth quarter, the bend with
three mullets for Hatham of Scarborough, is not in the alleged direct line above
the Suffolk Pecks) representing the young William. Nicholas is the 'person who
matters' in the last recorded generation, who is invariably the person for whom
the pedigree was originally compiled...I am inclined to absolve Somerby of the
charge of physical forgery of this leaf...If no interpolation or alteration is obvious,
this is most likely to be an authentic 17th-century document or an 18th-century
copy of a 17th-century document....Someone suggested simply asking the College
of Arms for copies of whatever they may have on this; it is the obvious next step
after looking at this BL manuscript. Unfortunately the heralds' official assistance
may be rather costly, even for a memorandum simply listing the manuscripts they
hold which treat the Wakefield and (if any) Beccles Pecks. With a photo of the BL
manuscript, they might be in a position to authenticate or reject the signature of,
say, Philpot."

Awaiting resolution of this matter, from a gentleman and Medieval Scholar,
I remain your humble descendant of American gateway ancestor Joseph Peck and
his grandfather, Robert Peck, the Elder, testator of 1556, Beccles, Suffolk, England,

Bill

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Gjest

Re: PECK DESCENT FROM CHARLEMAGNE

Legg inn av Gjest » 30 nov 2007 02:10:02

[Once would have been enough]

On Nov 29, 12:50 pm, Bill Arnold <billarnold...@yahoo.com> wrote:
PEDIGREE OF PECK IN THE BRITISH LIBRARY SHOWS THROUGH
MIDDLETONS AND PLUMPTONS DESCENT FROM CHARLEMAGNE:

Introduction to Medieval Scholars:
The Peck Pedigree in the British Library has a provenance
of 17thC/18thC, according to one scholar: "probably acquired
around 1790 to 1810," and rests upon both Tonge's Visitation
and *The Visitation of Yorkshire in the years 1563 and 1564*
made by William Flower, Esquire, Norroy King of Arms, edited by
Charles Best Norcliffe, M.A., of Langton, London, 1881.

1) do we know it rests upon these, and not a shared source yet to be
identified?

2) it had better not rest on an edition published in 1881.

Medieval scholars, other
than Nat Taylor, ought to be able to accomplish the goal set out
in gentleman and scholar Taylor's remarks quoted herein.

1) For a reasonably small fee there are any number of researchers who
could consult it for you, or you could have the BL do it.

2) remember when you were calling Nat less favorable things, not that
long ago?

Descendant Ira B. Peck in *A Genealogical History of the Descendants
of Joseph Peck,* Mudge, Boston, 1868, and in a subsequent 1870 note
to the New England Historical Genealogical Register, stated very clearly
that Nicholas, the brother of Joseph and the Rev. Robert, expended
considerable time and money to have the updated pedigree charted

No, he did not state it very clearly - he included a weasel-word that
you are leaving out, and that makes it clear he was speculating.


In accordance with this knowledge, it behooves a Medieval Scholar to
obtain access to the same Peck pedigree in the British Library to view its
contents and pass judgment upon the soundness of this descent from
Charlemagne.

So hire one.


taf

Renia

Re: PECK DESCENT FROM CHARLEMAGNE: Will of Henry Peck 1525

Legg inn av Renia » 02 des 2007 22:39:12

The NEHGR article mentions the will of Henry Peck of Carlton Colville,
Suffok, dated 16 April 1525. He styled himself "Henry Peke of Carleton"
and named his wife, Margery, son Robert and Kateryn, daughter.

The article does not claim this Henry Peck as father of Robert Peck of
Beccles, but inserts it for reference for future Peck family historians.

Carlton Colville is 3.5 miles to the south-west of Lowestoft, in
Suffolk. It is about 3 miles east of North Cove and North Cove is about
3 miles east of Beccles.

The Public Record Office catalogue shows the following Henry Pecks.

C 1/223/38 Alice, late the wife of John Smethes, of South Elmham. v.
Henry Pecke and John Taillour, feoffees to uses.: A messuage and land in
South Elmham.: Suffolk. 1493-1500
C 1/345/62 Henry Pecke v. Thomas Bonde and Robert Bygon.: Rents due
on an under-lease of part of the manor of Broughton, between the
ejection of complainant by George Agard on succeeding as tenant in fee
tail and the termination of his lease.: Northants. 1504-1515
REQ 2/5/138 William Haggar, John Cullege, Thomas Edwards and Robert
Thomas, inhabitants of Bourn, Cambridgeshire v John Haggar and Henry
Pecke. Replication only. 1 m. [Standard surname: Culledge, Peck] CBP
Between 1492 and 1547
REQ 2/8/194 William Haggar, Thomas Edwards and Robert Thomas v John
Haggar and Henry Pecke: pasture in Bourn, Cambridgeshire. 1 m. [Standard
surname: Peck] JMP
C 1/241/39 Thomas Higney and Agnes, his wife. v. Elizabeth Warde and
Henry Pek, executors of Robert Warde.: Detention of deeds relating to
land in Kingston.: Cambridge. 1500-1501
C 1/323/64 Thomas Higney and Agnes, his wife, daughter of Robert and
Margaret Warde, and granddaughter and heir of Thomas Warde. v. Henry Pek
and Elizabeth, his wife, [sister of Robert Warde].: Detention of deeds
concerning land in . . . . . brigge, notwithstandingprevious decree in
Chancery requiring their production. 1504-1515

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