Fw: "Order of the Merovingian Dynasty"

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Leo van de Pas

Fw: "Order of the Merovingian Dynasty"

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 25 nov 2007 07:09:05

Dear Douglas,
Those photographs were beautifully done. The one thing I missed in your
e-mail is your opinion on the reliability of their premise, a line based on
Roderick Stuart seems rather risky. What do you think about this? Do you
endorse this?
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval, soc.history.medieval,
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To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: "Order of the Merovingian Dynasty"


On Nov 24, 9:06 pm, Nathaniel Taylor <nltay...@nltaylor.net> wrote:

There's a whole set of lineages from various colonial American gateways
also on the site, all using the same path from Charlemagne to the
Merovingians, all citing Stuart. Among them is the line formerly
claimed for Walter Aston of Virginia.

Nat Taylorhttp://www.nltaylor.net

I've met Dr. Lucas. He's a fine individual.

One of the founding members of the Merovingian Society, by the way, is
the eminent genealogist, Timothy Field Beard, FASG. He attended the
first organizational meeting. A picture of all those who attended
that meeting is found at the following weblink:

http://www.merovingiandynasty.com/Ann.html

As for the "former" Walter Aston line, new evidence has surfaced in
recent time. The Aston line has now been fully reinstated.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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Re: Fw: "Order of the Merovingian Dynasty"

Legg inn av Gjest » 25 nov 2007 07:45:03

On Nov 24, 10:09 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au>
wrote:

Those photographs were beautifully done. The one thing I missed in your
e-mail is your opinion on the reliability of their premise, a line based on
Roderick Stuart seems rather risky. What do you think about this? Do you
endorse this?

Just to be clear, the risk in using a line from Stuart is perfectly
revealed in this example. Chaume suggested this as a *possibility*.
Stuart presented it as a certainty.

What I find disconcerting is the extent to which Roderick Stuart is
viewed as a reliable source for anything. I guess this is perfect
evidence of how marketing can overcome any deficits in quality. Given
the number of blatant errors that appear, showing a complete
unfamiliarity with the scholarship, citing sources he never consulted,
giving circular pedigrees (of the "I'm my own grandpa" sort) or
splicing paternal and maternal ancestry into a single line (the
maternal grandparents are interpolated into the paternal descent, just
as they appeared in the source, which Stuart failed to recognize was
an ahnentafel). [For the sake of full disclosure, the last time I
said something like this about his work, Stuart threatened to sue me
for defamation, so at least one person did not consider such an
evaluation fair, but I can provide specifics if anyone cares.] At one
point I began to compile a set of corrections on the Iberian lines he
gave, only to decide it would be a much shorter list if I just
indicated the few things he got right.

Somehow I am guessing that any attempt to tell all 100 members that
the entire premise for their society is bogus would not be well
received.

taf

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Fw: "Order of the Merovingian Dynasty"

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 25 nov 2007 07:51:04

<G>

taf is correct.

Stuart can sue me too.

By all means....let's see some specifics.

DSH

<taf@clearwire.net> wrote in message
news:1fe761e0-7032-498e-88ce-0a184daec2ef@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

On Nov 24, 10:09 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au
wrote:

Those photographs were beautifully done. The one thing I missed in your
e-mail is your opinion on the reliability of their premise, a line based
on Roderick Stuart seems rather risky. What do you think about this?
Do you endorse this?

Just to be clear, the risk in using a line from Stuart is perfectly
revealed in this example. Chaume suggested this as a *possibility*.
Stuart presented it as a certainty.

What I find disconcerting is the extent to which Roderick Stuart is
viewed as a reliable source for anything. I guess this is perfect
evidence of how marketing can overcome any deficits in quality. Given
the number of blatant errors that appear, showing a complete
unfamiliarity with the scholarship, citing sources he never consulted,
giving circular pedigrees (of the "I'm my own grandpa" sort) or
splicing paternal and maternal ancestry into a single line (the
maternal grandparents are interpolated into the paternal descent, just
as they appeared in the source, which Stuart failed to recognize was
an ahnentafel). [For the sake of full disclosure, the last time I
said something like this about his work, Stuart threatened to sue me
for defamation, so at least one person did not consider such an
evaluation fair, but I can provide specifics if anyone cares.] At one
point I began to compile a set of corrections on the Iberian lines he
gave, only to decide it would be a much shorter list if I just
indicated the few things he got right.

Somehow I am guessing that any attempt to tell all 100 members that
the entire premise for their society is bogus would not be well
received.

taf

Douglas Richardson

Re: Fw: "Order of the Merovingian Dynasty"

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 26 nov 2007 00:23:03

On Nov 24, 11:51 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:

< Stuart can sue me too.

< DSH

Mr. Stuart won't be suing anyone. The good Mr. Stuart is deceased.

DR

Gjest

Re: Fw: "Order of the Merovingian Dynasty"

Legg inn av Gjest » 26 nov 2007 00:31:02

On Nov 25, 3:22 pm, Douglas Richardson <royalances...@msn.com> wrote:
On Nov 24, 11:51 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:

Stuart can sue me too.

DSH

Mr. Stuart won't be suing anyone. The good Mr. Stuart is deceased.

Yes, but he lives on through his works.

taf

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Fw: "Order of the Merovingian Dynasty"

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 26 nov 2007 03:52:36

Perhaps his estate would threaten to sue.

But I think the entire threat by Mr. Stuart against taf was simply designed
to scare him off.

DSH

"Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 24, 11:51 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:

Stuart can sue me too.

DSH

Mr. Stuart won't be suing anyone. The good Mr. Stuart is deceased.

DR

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