PLANTAGENET: Blame it on Emily Dickinson

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PLANTAGENET: Blame it on Emily Dickinson

Legg inn av Bill Arnold » 11 nov 2007 17:22:03

Leo van de Pas <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote:

LvdP: "Dear Bill, As usual there are several answers to your question. I am
glad to hear that you think many Americans are aware of Charlemagne.
That so many are oblivious to the Conquest is not so surprising. There are
words and names which have a ring to them. As an example The Royal
House of Anjou ruled England for several hundreds of years. But who knows
about the Angevins? That doesn't sound good and so Plantagenet replaced
Anjou, and Plantagenet certainly has a ring to it. Even so much that an
industry has developed in the USA selling the Plantagenet Ancestry.
This obsession with Plantagent descent you will not find to an equal degree
in England. I believe it very much to be an USA thing. In a way it is rather
sad that all the efforts of William the Conqueror to conquer England are
ignored because a grandson-in-law put a sprig of Broome (Planta genesta) on
his helmet."

BA: Well, gen-medieval scholars, you can blame all this American love affair
with the Plantagenets on Emily Dickinson who lived in the good ole USA in the mid
1800s. In the 1850s-60s, Amherst was still a rural town in which horseback was
the means of travel as well as horse-drawn "chariots"--buckboards and coaches.
Thus, Emily Dickinson lived in a *medieval* town which was named for an English
"Earl," Lord Jeffry Amherst, and gen-medieval scholars should not be surprised by her
whole reference opus of literary allusions to European *Royalty*! She wrote nearly
one thousand poems to a secret “Master* as Sir and Sire and Master and King and
Plantagenet! Why? Her father was a congressman and a founder of the Republican
party in Washington, DC. So, why would she be so obsessed with English royalty and
an early obscure English king and fancy herself his "Queen"? And was *he* the
Plantagenet she called "the Plantagenet"?

Examples:

"If I amazed your kindness--My Love is my only apology...Would you--ask less for
your *Queen*--Mr Bowles?”

“Master. If it had been God's will that I might breathe where you breathed--and find
the place--myself--at night...if I wish with a might I cannot repress--that mine were
the Queen's place--the love of the Plantagenet
is my only apology.”

[author: Emily Dickinson]

Was not the first of the Plantagenet Kings married to Eleanor of Aquitaine who was the
first Queen of the troubadours? is that who she meant? And the rest, as they say, is history?
Was she not the "adulterous" Queen who married the English King and brought to England
the tradition of "troubadour" poetry and Courtly Love, which had reigned under her grandfather,
Duke William IX, "The Troubadour"? Of course, Emily Dickinson poems were read and studied
in every *English* class for a century now, and her fame spread like a comet in the night sky.
So blame the fame of the Plantagenets in America on Emily Dickinson.

Bill

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D. Spencer Hines

Re: PLANTAGENET: Blame It On Emily Dickinson

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 11 nov 2007 18:10:10

Simpler Reasons -- Converging.

1. Euphony. _Plantagenet_ rolls off the tongue with a "Royal Feel" -- four
syllables. _Anjou_ just doesn't have the same panache. Then there is the
resonating story of the yellow broom in Geoffrey's helm.

2. The MOST RECENT descent most folks can trace from Royalty is the one they
are looking for. Very few have a descent from Tudor Royalty, Henry VII --
so they trace descents from the Plantagenets -- hopefully.

3. Bold Historical Profiles of many of the Plantagenets -- stories of
Ancestors that can entertain, inspire and educate.

Nothing Evil About It...

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense

"Bill Arnold" <billarnoldfla@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.345.1194798093.7651.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...

Leo van de Pas <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote:

LvdP: "Dear Bill, As usual there are several answers to your question. I
am
glad to hear that you think many Americans are aware of Charlemagne.
That so many are oblivious to the Conquest is not so surprising. There are
words and names which have a ring to them. As an example The Royal
House of Anjou ruled England for several hundreds of years. But who knows
about the Angevins? That doesn't sound good and so Plantagenet replaced
Anjou, and Plantagenet certainly has a ring to it. Even so much that an
industry has developed in the USA selling the Plantagenet Ancestry.
This obsession with Plantagent [sic] descent you will not find to an equal
degree
in England. I believe it very much to be an USA thing. In a way it is
rather
sad that all the efforts of William the Conqueror to conquer England are
ignored because a grandson-in-law put a sprig of Broome (Planta genesta)
on
his helmet."

BA: Well, gen-medieval scholars, you can blame all this American love
affair
with the Plantagenets on Emily Dickinson who lived in the good ole USA in
the mid
1800s. In the 1850s-60s, Amherst was still a rural town in which
horseback was
the means of travel as well as horse-drawn "chariots"--buckboards and
coaches.
Thus, Emily Dickinson lived in a *medieval* town which was named for an
English
"Earl," Lord Jeffry Amherst, and gen-medieval scholars should not be
surprised by her
whole reference opus of literary allusions to European *Royalty*! She
wrote nearly
one thousand poems to a secret "Master* as Sir and Sire and Master and
King and
Plantagenet! Why? Her father was a congressman and a founder of the
Republican
party in Washington, DC. So, why would she be so obsessed with English
royalty and
an early obscure English king and fancy herself his "Queen"? And was *he*
the
Plantagenet she called "the Plantagenet"?

Examples:

"If I amazed your kindness--My Love is my only apology...Would you--ask
less for
your *Queen*--Mr Bowles?"

"Master. If it had been God's will that I might breathe where you
breathed--and find
the place--myself--at night...if I wish with a might I cannot
repress--that mine were
the Queen's place--the love of the Plantagenet
is my only apology."

[author: Emily Dickinson]

Was not the first of the Plantagenet Kings married to Eleanor of Aquitaine
who was the
first Queen of the troubadours? is that who she meant? And the rest, as
they say, is history?
Was she not the "adulterous" Queen who married the English King and
brought to England
the tradition of "troubadour" poetry and Courtly Love, which had reigned
under her grandfather,
Duke William IX, "The Troubadour"? Of course, Emily Dickinson poems were
read and studied
in every *English* class for a century now, and her fame spread like a
comet in the night sky.
So blame the fame of the Plantagenets in America on Emily Dickinson.

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