Fw: Complete Peerage Addition: Maud Fitz Alan, the Almost Qu

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Fw: Complete Peerage Addition: Maud Fitz Alan, the Almost Qu

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 11 nov 2007 06:35:02

One of the outstanding questions for Douglas Richardson is about
Crossposting: What are the benefits?. As he is such a fervent adherent to
tis practice, he must know why he does it.

He has been asked more than once not to do it. The dangers, the polluting of
gen-med with non-relevant subjects is just one, have been shown recently.
And yet he does it. Not very friendly or collegial, let alone something a
"trained historian" should do.

As I see it, the only beneift _for him_ is that he can send his messages to
several groups at once. It is too much effort to send a message, retrieve it
and then re-address it.

As a result Richardson has got himself in a situation, very well described
by the title of a book written by Diana Rigg, of totally his own making.

If he was _collegial_ and here to make friends, he would consider others, as
well make sure he does not leave behind unanswered questions.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia




----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval, soc.history.medieval,
alt.history.british,alt.talk.royalty
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Complete Peerage Addition: Maud Fitz Alan,the Almost Queen of
Scotland


[Crossposted to soc.genealogy.medieval, soc.history.medieval,
alt.history.british, alt.talk.royalty].

Scots Peerage, 1 (1904): 8 (sub Kings of Scotland) assigns two wives
to Robert I [de Brus], King of Scotland. This material can be found
at the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=_KEKAA ... ud#PPA8,M1

Regarding Robert de Brus' first wife, Isabel of Mar, it states the
following:

"He married, first, about 1295, Isabella, daughter of Donald, tenth
Earl of Mar, by whom he had an only child." END OF QUOTE.

No documention is provided for this marriage.

In a footnote, the editor explains that this wife "is called Matilda
in a warrant by Edward I. 13 October 1296, Cal. of Docs., ii. 850."

Thus, in spite of the fact that the editor was faced with evidence
that Robert de Brus had a wife named Maud in 1296, he still morphed
Maud into the first wife Isabel of Mar. In truth, Robert de Brus had
three wives, of whom Maud Fitz Alan was the second wife. This
marriage is proven from English sources, not Scottish ones. As far as
I know, Scottish sources are completely silent about King Robert I's
marriage to Maud Fitz Alan, doubtless because the marriage was brief,
childless, and ended in divorce, and because the wife was English.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

P.S. For those not familiar with Latin name forms of this time
period, Matilda is the Latin form of Maud (or, if you prefer,
Mahaud).



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