"Deus lo volt!" WAS Holy Grail or Holy Mess?

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"Deus lo volt!" WAS Holy Grail or Holy Mess?

Legg inn av Bill Arnold » 11 nov 2007 05:43:02

HI, GEN-MEDIEVAL PEOPLE:

Sheesh. I live in the south in the good ole USA too. And I certainly'
did not mean to imply all Americans were ignorant of William the
Conqueror but I sure know they know Charlemagne's name more:
and as for William being noble about women, I am sure Jesus of
the Gospels made his point first with the men who wanted to stone
to death a woman: and made it so early and importantly that a
Church was built upon a Rock and a Crusade by the Plantagenets
attempted to ride the world of burkas eons ago. So much for
"Deus lo volt!" among the peasantry.

Bill
aka William, son of...

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--- Leo van de Pas <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote:

Dear Le,

In defense of Bill, I must agree with him that it seems the Conquest is
secondary to Plantagenet in the USA. I know in the USA you can find
Plantagent books and also books covering descendants of Charlemagne, but
are there any with William the Conqueror as its cetral point?
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@ATT.Net
To: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Holy Grail or Holy Mess?


I should feel insulted by Bill's notion that we Americans are Ignorant of
this. I doubt very much if Richard I or II called himself Plantagenet.
He was referred to as Richard of England. I sure know about 1066. And its
ramifications especially for Women after the Conquest. They became more or
less chattel. Well nuff said. I quess I can count myself lucky to have a
BA
degree in History and come from a Region whose people know their history.
I
live in the Southeastern United States in the City of Montgomery, State
of
Alabama U.S.A.
Le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au
To: "Bill Arnold" <billarnoldfla@yahoo.com
Cc: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: Holy Grail or Holy Mess?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Arnold" <billarnoldfla@yahoo.com
To: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Holy Grail or Holy Mess?


Hi, Leo.

Here is an interesting question for you:
and your response might interest a wider
audience, so feel free to share it. But:
I am curious: here in America we are very
well aware of who CHARLEMAGNE is, perhaps
because of the appelation EMPEROR OF THE
HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and our awareness of
the Roman Church, but here in America we
seem to have little aware ness of THE CONQUEST
descedancy; why is that? Is it because it is
more important in English annals?

Bill

Dear Bill,
As usual there are several answers to your question. I am glad to hear
that
you think many Americans are aware of Charlemagne.
That so many are oblivious to the Conquest is not so surprising.

There are words and names which have a ring to them. As an example The
Royal
House of Anjou ruled England for several hundreds of years. But who knows
about the Angevins? That doesn't sound good and so Plantagenet replaced
Anjou, and Plantagenet certainly has a ring to it. Even so much that an
industry has developed in the USA selling the Plantagenet Ancestry.

This obsession with Plantagent descent you will not find to an equal
degree
in England. I believe it very much to be an USA thing. In a way it is
rather
sad that all the efforts of William the Conqueror to conquer England are
ignored because a grandson-in-law put a sprig of Broome (Planta genesta)
on
his helmet.

Also, of course, only two generations are being ignored, which in many
ways
is "close enough".

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


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