Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
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John Brandon
Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
Has anybody ever investigated the statement that Richard Smith of
Narragansett "sold his possessions in Gloucestershire, and came into
New England"?
http://books.google.com/books?id=GjLOk3 ... urAYrAaCfc
What were his possessions in Gloucestershire? There are a number of
Richard Smiths in the 1623 Gloucs. Visitation ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=zSgEAA ... Gloucester
http://books.google.com/books?id=zSgEAA ... #PPA147,M1
I suppose this isn't the smartest place to start looking, yet
something about the expression "sold his possessions in
Gloucestershire" makes it sound as though the possessions were
somewhat substantial.
I believe this Richard Smith is my ancestor through Newton, Wells,
etc. to Nova Scotia.
Narragansett "sold his possessions in Gloucestershire, and came into
New England"?
http://books.google.com/books?id=GjLOk3 ... urAYrAaCfc
What were his possessions in Gloucestershire? There are a number of
Richard Smiths in the 1623 Gloucs. Visitation ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=zSgEAA ... Gloucester
http://books.google.com/books?id=zSgEAA ... #PPA147,M1
I suppose this isn't the smartest place to start looking, yet
something about the expression "sold his possessions in
Gloucestershire" makes it sound as though the possessions were
somewhat substantial.
I believe this Richard Smith is my ancestor through Newton, Wells,
etc. to Nova Scotia.
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
The second Richard Smith called himself "gent." in his will ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=dUZBAA ... #PPA196,M1
http://books.google.com/books?id=dUZBAA ... #PPA196,M1
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
Apparently this Richard Smith had an uncle, William Barton, of Morton,
Gloucs. ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=4qEAAA ... aragansett
Gloucs. ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=4qEAAA ... aragansett
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
Was he a member of the Smith of Nibley family?
http://books.google.com/books?id=PBADAA ... %22+morton
http://books.google.com/books?id=PBADAA ... %22+morton
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Nathaniel Taylor
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
In article <1193763535.414446.221230@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
Looks highly likely. There is such abundant material on this family
around: and the extracted IGI for North Nibley is full of Smiths. This
looks like low-hanging fruit in the English-Origins department. Sure it
hasn't been attempted anywhere? Check out box 1, folder 1 of this
finding aid from a collection at Chicago:
http://ead.lib.uchicago.edu/view.xqy?id ... FAMILY&c=s
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
Was he a member of the Smith of Nibley family?
http://books.google.com/books?id=PBADAA ... +barton%22
+morton
Looks highly likely. There is such abundant material on this family
around: and the extracted IGI for North Nibley is full of Smiths. This
looks like low-hanging fruit in the English-Origins department. Sure it
hasn't been attempted anywhere? Check out box 1, folder 1 of this
finding aid from a collection at Chicago:
http://ead.lib.uchicago.edu/view.xqy?id ... FAMILY&c=s
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
Was he a member of the Smith of Nibley family?
http://books.google.com/books?id=PBADAA ... william+...
+morton
Looks highly likely. There is such abundant material on this family
around: and the extracted IGI for North Nibley is full of Smiths. This
looks like low-hanging fruit in the English-Origins department. Sure it
hasn't been attempted anywhere? Check out box 1, folder 1 of this
finding aid from a collection at Chicago:
http://ead.lib.uchicago.edu/view.xqy?id ... FAMILY&c=s
Nat Taylorhttp://www.nltaylor.net
Thanks, Nat, for the clue, though I may never get a chance to see the
collection in Chicago (at least not anytime soon). But maybe I can
scrounge up the refs. to _Gloucester Notes and Queries_.
Roger Williams reiterated the fact that Richard Smith was from
Gloucestershire ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=fl0EAA ... essions%22
If he was prime, leading man at Taunton, did he outrank William and
Elizabeth Pole/ Poole??
The source below tentatively makes the connection to the Smiths of
Nibley, Gloucs. ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=jBmDNM ... rragansett
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Nathaniel Taylor
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
In article <1193770465.051398.159790@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
There is a Richard, son of Richard, baptized at North Nibley in 1593
(IGI extractions). But all the Smiths in that decade in the IGI had
different fathers, so there were several Smiths around, and John Smith,
the gentleman and creature of Berkeley, head of the family in the 1623
visitation, was new to the area, having purchased the manor at some
point. I might focus on the Rhode Islander's uncle Barton.
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
Was he a member of the Smith of Nibley family?
http://books.google.com/books?id=PBADAA ... william+...
+morton
Looks highly likely. There is such abundant material on this family
around: and the extracted IGI for North Nibley is full of Smiths. This
looks like low-hanging fruit in the English-Origins department. Sure it
hasn't been attempted anywhere? Check out box 1, folder 1 of this
finding aid from a collection at Chicago:
http://ead.lib.uchicago.edu/view.xqy?id ... FAMILY&c=s
Nat Taylorhttp://www.nltaylor.net
Thanks, Nat, for the clue, though I may never get a chance to see the
collection in Chicago (at least not anytime soon). But maybe I can
scrounge up the refs. to _Gloucester Notes and Queries_.
Roger Williams reiterated the fact that Richard Smith was from
Gloucestershire ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=fl0EAA ... posessions%
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If he was prime, leading man at Taunton, did he outrank William and
Elizabeth Pole/ Poole??
The source below tentatively makes the connection to the Smiths of
Nibley, Gloucs. ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=jBmDNM ... +smith+sen
%22+narragansett
There is a Richard, son of Richard, baptized at North Nibley in 1593
(IGI extractions). But all the Smiths in that decade in the IGI had
different fathers, so there were several Smiths around, and John Smith,
the gentleman and creature of Berkeley, head of the family in the 1623
visitation, was new to the area, having purchased the manor at some
point. I might focus on the Rhode Islander's uncle Barton.
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
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Nathaniel Taylor
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
In article
<nltaylor-6DD1DA.13513430102007@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Nathaniel Taylor <nltaylor@nltaylor.net> wrote:
He was added to the NEHGS Roll of Arms, no. 218--see NEHGR 106
(1952):260. But the arms (argent a chevron between three leopards'
faces gules) aren't those of Smith of Nibley, Gloucs. as in the 1623
visitation, p. 149. But are they the arms on his tomb? At any rate,
this addition to the roll was back in an era when the genealogy didn't
have to be proved to add a person.
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
<nltaylor-6DD1DA.13513430102007@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Nathaniel Taylor <nltaylor@nltaylor.net> wrote:
In article <1193763535.414446.221230@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
Was he a member of the Smith of Nibley family?
http://books.google.com/books?id=PBADAA ... iam+barton%
22
+morton
Looks highly likely. There is such abundant material on this family
around: and the extracted IGI for North Nibley is full of Smiths. This
looks like low-hanging fruit in the English-Origins department. Sure it
hasn't been attempted anywhere?
He was added to the NEHGS Roll of Arms, no. 218--see NEHGR 106
(1952):260. But the arms (argent a chevron between three leopards'
faces gules) aren't those of Smith of Nibley, Gloucs. as in the 1623
visitation, p. 149. But are they the arms on his tomb? At any rate,
this addition to the roll was back in an era when the genealogy didn't
have to be proved to add a person.
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
point. I might focus on the Rhode Islander's uncle Barton.
That seems like a sensible idea. Morton is very near Thornbury, I
believe, and not too distant (either) from North Nibley.
My ancestor, Thomas Newton, who married (perhaps clandestinely in New
York) Richard Smith's daughter was a scandalous man:
http://books.google.com/books?id=RfkLAA ... ery&pgis=1
It also seems the fellow who erected the monument, Daniel Berkeley
Updike (a descendant), also wrote a book: _Richard Smith, First
English Settler of the Narragansett Country, Rhode Island, with a
Series of Letters Written by his Son, Richard Smith, Jr., to Members
of the Winthrop Family and Notes on Cocumscussuc, Smith's Estate in
Narragansett_ (Boston: Merrymount Press, 1937), which I'll have to try
to find.
I was unaware of this line until about two weeks ago, when using
Google to find the ancestry of Mary Newton, wife of Jonathan Wells of
Colchester.
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
point. I might focus on the Rhode Islander's uncle Barton.
There is a patron-submitted entry in the IGI for
Thornbury, Gloucester
--RICHARD SMITH to JOHAN BARTAN, 28 May 1621
This looks like it could be correct, as it would have been Richard
Smith, Junior, who was writing to his Uncle Barton at/ near Thornbury.
Were the Bartons at Thornbury some connection of the New England
Thayer family?
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
--from A2A (Bristol Record Office: Ashton Court)
FILE [no title] - ref. AC/AS/17/4/a-b - date: 1677/8 Jan.1
hit[from Scope and Content] Acquittance - Richard Smith late
of New England now of Thornbury, Glos., sister's son of Wm. Barton
late of Thornbury dec'd to Samuel Astry of Henbury esq. - £60 being
purchase money for Blacklands and other lands in Aust.
FILE [no title] - ref. AC/AS/17/4/a-b - date: 1677/8 Jan.1
hit[from Scope and Content] Acquittance - Richard Smith late
of New England now of Thornbury, Glos., sister's son of Wm. Barton
late of Thornbury dec'd to Samuel Astry of Henbury esq. - £60 being
purchase money for Blacklands and other lands in Aust.
point. I might focus on the Rhode Islander's uncle Barton.
There is a patron-submitted entry in the IGI for
Thornbury, Gloucester
--RICHARD SMITH to JOHAN BARTAN, 28 May 1621
This looks like it could be correct, as it would have been Richard
Smith, Junior, who was writing to his Uncle Barton at/ near Thornbury.
Were the Bartons at Thornbury some connection of the New England
Thayer family?
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
There are a number of refs. to the Richard Smiths (senior and junior)
in _Calendar of State Papers, Colonial_ and _Acts of the Privy Council
of England, Colonial Series_, but I'll only quote one from _Privy
Council, Colonial_, vol. 1, p. 784:
[1223.] Ibid.
[The Council also refer to the Committee] the humble Petition of
Richard Smith Gentleman . . Setting forth, That he had been many years
lawfully seized of a small Island in the Narriganset Bay in New
England, anciently called Cissawnock now Hog Island lying in the
Jurisdiction of New Plymouth Colony, But the Government of Road Island
pretending the same to be within their Jurisdiction, and for that the
Petitioner will not submit to their Usurpations have comitted many
Outrages upon him, and despoyled him of his Goods and Chattells, etc.
etc.
So at least we have this document in which he presents himself as
"Gentleman."
in _Calendar of State Papers, Colonial_ and _Acts of the Privy Council
of England, Colonial Series_, but I'll only quote one from _Privy
Council, Colonial_, vol. 1, p. 784:
[1223.] Ibid.
[The Council also refer to the Committee] the humble Petition of
Richard Smith Gentleman . . Setting forth, That he had been many years
lawfully seized of a small Island in the Narriganset Bay in New
England, anciently called Cissawnock now Hog Island lying in the
Jurisdiction of New Plymouth Colony, But the Government of Road Island
pretending the same to be within their Jurisdiction, and for that the
Petitioner will not submit to their Usurpations have comitted many
Outrages upon him, and despoyled him of his Goods and Chattells, etc.
etc.
So at least we have this document in which he presents himself as
"Gentleman."
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Gjest
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
On Oct 30, 9:55 am, John Brandon <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
IGI has a marriage 28 MAY 1621, Thornbury, Gloucester, England
Richard Smith to Johan Bartan
Wikipedia says of Morton, "Morton, split into Upper and Lower Morton,
are areas of farmland to the north east of Thornbury, in South
Gloucestershire."
Note that this is a submission, not an extraction.
taf
Apparently this Richard Smith had an uncle, William Barton, of Morton,
Gloucs. ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=4qEAAA ... ucesters...
IGI has a marriage 28 MAY 1621, Thornbury, Gloucester, England
Richard Smith to Johan Bartan
Wikipedia says of Morton, "Morton, split into Upper and Lower Morton,
are areas of farmland to the north east of Thornbury, in South
Gloucestershire."
Note that this is a submission, not an extraction.
taf
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Gjest
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
On Oct 30, 12:44 pm, Nathaniel Taylor <nltay...@nltaylor.net> wrote:
Unfortunately, apparently his wife's uncle - see my other post in this
thread (which seems to be delayed in hitting the system).
taf
I might focus on the Rhode Islander's uncle Barton.
Unfortunately, apparently his wife's uncle - see my other post in this
thread (which seems to be delayed in hitting the system).
taf
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pj.evans
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
On Oct 30, 3:49 pm, John Brandon <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ah, one of <em>that</em> group. (I have both Greene of Warwick and
Greene of Kingstown on my tree, thankyouverymuch. I think it was
Greene of Warwick that was involved with this affair.)
There are a number of refs. to the Richard Smiths (senior and junior)
in _Calendar of State Papers, Colonial_ and _Acts of the Privy Council
of England, Colonial Series_, but I'll only quote one from _Privy
Council, Colonial_, vol. 1, p. 784:
[1223.] Ibid.
[The Council also refer to the Committee] the humble Petition of
Richard Smith Gentleman . . Setting forth, That he had been many years
lawfully seized of a small Island in the Narriganset Bay in New
England, anciently called Cissawnock now Hog Island lying in the
Jurisdiction of New Plymouth Colony, But the Government of Road Island
pretending the same to be within their Jurisdiction, and for that the
Petitioner will not submit to their Usurpations have comitted many
Outrages upon him, and despoyled him of his Goods and Chattells, etc.
etc.
So at least we have this document in which he presents himself as
"Gentleman."
Ah, one of <em>that</em> group. (I have both Greene of Warwick and
Greene of Kingstown on my tree, thankyouverymuch. I think it was
Greene of Warwick that was involved with this affair.)
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
IGI has a marriage 28 MAY 1621, Thornbury, Gloucester, England
Richard Smith to Johan Bartan
Wikipedia says of Morton, "Morton, split into Upper and Lower Morton,
are areas of farmland to the north east of Thornbury, in South
Gloucestershire."
Note that this is a submission, not an extraction.
taf
Hmm, great minds think alike ...
It is interesting that the family mainly connected with the "Ashton
Court" collection on A2A was Smyth of Long Ashton. We have a book
here on the Smyths of Long Ashton (pub. by the Bristol Record Soc.),
which contains a lot of Smyths, but no Richards. So perhaps it was a
fluke Richard Smith, Jr.'s, deed got in with the Ashton Court records
(well, maybe not a fluke, because Samuel Astry, the seller in the
record, had married a Smyth of Long Ashton).
Still, it probably makes more sense to focus on the Nibley Smyths, who
were close to Thornbury and known to have several Richards in their
family tree.
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
The following Google Books item shows how author Daniel Berkeley
Updike (who was also a printer by profession) got his middle name (his
ancestor, Daniel Updike, was a friend of the philosopher George
Berkeley) ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=Rc9OHP ... %22+nibley
I believe the statement that Lodowick Opdyke married Abigail (Smith)
Newton is slightly incorrect. I think she was Abigail Newton,
daughter of Thomas and Joan (Smith) Newton, and sister of my ancestor
Capt. James Newton of Kingston, R.I., and Colchester, Connecticut (and
a first cousin of Lodowick Opdyke through their common Smith descent).
Updike (who was also a printer by profession) got his middle name (his
ancestor, Daniel Updike, was a friend of the philosopher George
Berkeley) ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=Rc9OHP ... %22+nibley
I believe the statement that Lodowick Opdyke married Abigail (Smith)
Newton is slightly incorrect. I think she was Abigail Newton,
daughter of Thomas and Joan (Smith) Newton, and sister of my ancestor
Capt. James Newton of Kingston, R.I., and Colchester, Connecticut (and
a first cousin of Lodowick Opdyke through their common Smith descent).
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
http://books.google.com/books?id=2IQwAA ... s=1#search
"A model of Abigail (Newton) Updike ..." (whatever that means ...
makes her sound like a toy stuck together with glue).
"A model of Abigail (Newton) Updike ..." (whatever that means ...
makes her sound like a toy stuck together with glue).
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John Brandon
Re: Richard Smith of Gloucestershire and Narragansett
Richard Smith the younger was a member of Gov. Andros' council, it
seems.
http://books.google.com/books?id=uAyuSe ... d+smith%22
seems.
http://books.google.com/books?id=uAyuSe ... d+smith%22