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John Brandon

Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av John Brandon » 25 okt 2007 19:55:43

On Sept. 22, DLG made a post stating that the Jan. 2007 TAG would be
mailed out in about two weeks. Here it is more than a month later,
and I have still to receive said rag. He also said: "The issue that
will be distributed shortly is dated 'January 2007 (published
September 2007).'" In just a few more days, a strictly accurate
statement would have to read, "January 2007 (published November
2007)."

I also had to chuckle a bit at his statement that despite the fact
that TAG has ceased to make a profit, it is in no danger of being
discontinued. When something is published at the publisher's expense,
isn't the publisher running a vanity press? ... :-)

mhollick@mac.com

Re: Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av mhollick@mac.com » 25 okt 2007 20:39:53

On Oct 25, 2:55 pm, John Brandon <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sept. 22, DLG made a post stating that the Jan. 2007 TAG would be
mailed out in about two weeks. Here it is more than a month later,
and I have still to receive said rag. He also said: "The issue that
will be distributed shortly is dated 'January 2007 (published
September 2007).'" In just a few more days, a strictly accurate
statement would have to read, "January 2007 (published November
2007)."

I also had to chuckle a bit at his statement that despite the fact
that TAG has ceased to make a profit, it is in no danger of being
discontinued. When something is published at the publisher's expense,
isn't the publisher running a vanity press? ... :-)

I've yet to receive mine yet too. I guess it should read January
2007, published September 2007, delivered to your mailbox October/
November 2007.

John Brandon

Re: Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av John Brandon » 25 okt 2007 20:46:37

I've yet to receive mine yet too. I guess it should read January
2007, published September 2007, delivered to your mailbox October/
November 2007.

Funny ...

It seems silly to "try to be honest about the real date of
publication" and then fudge that date, too, by two months.

steven perkins

Re: Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av steven perkins » 26 okt 2007 03:20:41

I received my copy of the issue today.

Steven C. Perkins


On 10/25/07, John Brandon <starbuck95@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've yet to receive mine yet too. I guess it should read January
2007, published September 2007, delivered to your mailbox October/
November 2007.

Funny ...

It seems silly to "try to be honest about the real date of
publication" and then fudge that date, too, by two months.


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Gjest

Re: Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av Gjest » 26 okt 2007 23:10:58

TAG went into the mail to subscribers on Monday of last week, from our
printer, Sheridan Press of Hanover PA. This means that my "about two
weeks" became three weeks. The issue had to be reprinted after we
received advance copies, because of a printing error. It is getting
out around the country, but, given the vagaries of the US postal
system, it hasn't reached all subscribers yet.

The April issue will be in preliminary page proofs by the end of next
week, but it must go through two more proofreading sessions before it
goes to the printer. If we are faced with sacrificing quality for
timeliness, we must choose quality. Nonetheless, it will be completed
in less time than recent issues.

In answer to the question:"When something is published at the
publisher's expense, isn't the publisher running a vanity press?"

No.

DAVID L. GREENE, FASG
Coeditor and publisher
The American Genealogist [TAG]


On Oct 25, 2:55 pm, John Brandon <starbuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sept. 22, DLG made a post stating that the Jan. 2007 TAG would be
mailed out in about two weeks. Here it is more than a month later,
and I have still to receive said rag. He also said: "The issue that
will be distributed shortly is dated 'January 2007 (published
September 2007).'" In just a few more days, a strictly accurate
statement would have to read, "January 2007 (published November
2007)."

I also had to chuckle a bit at his statement that despite the fact
that TAG has ceased to make a profit, it is in no danger of being
discontinued. When something is published at the publisher's expense,
isn't the publisher running a vanity press? ... :-)

John Brandon

Re: Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 okt 2007 17:28:01

In answer to the question:"When something is published at the
publisher's expense, isn't the publisher running a vanity press?"

No.

All I'm saying is that journals give a greater appearance of accuracy
and trustworthiness when (1) they are always on schedule (more or
less); and (2) when all costs are met by subscribers and the editor
(co-editors?) are not footing part of the bill.

The April issue will be in preliminary page proofs by the end of next
week, but it must go through two more proofreading sessions before it
goes to the printer. If we are faced with sacrificing quality for
timeliness, we must choose quality. Nonetheless, it will be completed
in less time than recent issues.

"We must choose QUALITY" -- even if we get to be a year-and-a-half
behind schedule (with all the headaches this causes for indexers and
the extra cost of producing and mailing free-standing indexes)!

Quality, schmality. Was the recent Whitney article a "quality"
piece ... with all of its flubs and inaccuracies?

John Brandon

Re: Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 okt 2007 17:42:06

In answer to the question:"When something is published at the
publisher's expense, isn't the publisher running a vanity press?"

No.

All I'm saying is that journals give a greater appearance of accuracy
and trustworthiness when (1) they are always on schedule (more or
less); and (2) when all costs are met by subscribers and the editor
(co-editors?) are not footing part of the bill.

The April issue will be in preliminary page proofs by the end of next
week, but it must go through two more proofreading sessions before it
goes to the printer. If we are faced with sacrificing quality for
timeliness, we must choose quality. Nonetheless, it will be completed
in less time than recent issues.

"We must choose QUALITY" -- even if we get to be a year-and-a-half
behind schedule (with all the headaches this causes for indexers and
the extra cost of producing and mailing free-standing indexes)!

Quality, schmality. Was the recent Whitney article a "quality"
piece ... with all of its flubs and inaccuracies?


But then it had also occurred to me that David has purposely allowed
TAG to fall this far behind in order to attract the attention of Ruth
Bishop, who recently gave a million dollars to the NEHG _Register_.

Miss Ruth might not consider TAG a very good investment, David, seeing
how there's no society or organization supporting it and with the
Editor wearing so many hats. Little details might make a rich lady
hesitate ...

Gjest

Re: Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 okt 2007 18:08:01

As always, John Brandon's comments are very intriguing.

All I'm saying is that journals give a greater appearance of accuracy
and trustworthiness when (1) they are always on schedule (more or
less); and (2) when all costs are met by subscribers and the editor
(co-editors?) are not footing part of the bill.

Schedule has nothing to do with accuracy unless maintaining a schedule
obsessively contributes to inaccuracy. Many journals are behind
schedule; for example, I am a member of the American Antiquarian
Society, whose journal is two and a half years behind schedule.

The only reason TAG has occasionally been in the black is that the
editors pay themselves nothing, and the only reason that it survives
is that its editors and publisher consider it well worth continuing,
both for its history as the organ of the "Jacobus School" and for its
current influence on the field. Currently ALL the major scholarly
journals in genealogy are losing money. Donald Lines Jacobus founded
TAG in the 1922; the first time it broke even financially was in the
1960s. The NEHG Register has lost money throughout most of its 160
years, and even announced its discontinuation in 1861 when violent
political circumstances made it lose its entire southern subscription
list (a white knight rode in at the last minute). The point is that
few scholarly journals in any field make money---of course, they hope
to, but that is not their main purpose. Profit-making has nothing to
do with quality.

(As a digression, I should mention that Harper's Magazine and The
Atlantic Monthly almost never make any money, and they are both over
150 years old. A friend of mine who publishes in both magazines told
me that, when he was in New York some years ago, the Harper's
editorial staff invited him out to dinner to celebrate the magazine's
first annual profit in some two or three decades: $100! (I think that
the dinner was Dutch--)
Quality, schmality. Was the recent Whitney article a "quality"
piece ... with all of its flubs and inaccuracies?

I am aware of one misprinted date and a different interpretation of
one document.

The authors proposed a likely hypothesis. We have, however, heard from
another expert proposing a different (but similar) line of descent,
and, as I mentioned before, we expect a follow-up Whitney articles in
a 2007 TAG.

John: I was going to comment on your query about Joan Newton's
marriage and which hypothesis is more likely to be correct, but your
postings imply that discussing these two different tentative
conclusions---Bob Anderson in Great Migration and Edwin Witter's TAG
article about a decade ago---is not your major purpose when dealing
with The American Genealogist.

DAVID L. GREENE
Coeditor and publisher
The American Genealogist [TAG]

D. Spencer Hines

The American Antiquarian Society

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 okt 2007 18:22:23

That seems entirely appropriate.

DSH

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Schedule has nothing to do with accuracy unless maintaining a schedule
obsessively contributes to inaccuracy. Many journals are behind
schedule; for example, I am a member of the American Antiquarian
Society, whose journal is two and a half years behind schedule.

DAVID L. GREENE
Coeditor and publisher
The American Genealogist [TAG]

John Brandon

Re: Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 okt 2007 19:47:04

The authors proposed a likely hypothesis. We have, however, heard from
another expert proposing a different (but similar) line of descent,
and, as I mentioned before, we expect a follow-up Whitney articles in
a 2007 TAG.

I will have to hear some 'splaining before I am convinced the Robert
Leigh Ward proposal is anything more than "remotely possible."

John: I was going to comment on your query about Joan Newton's
marriage and which hypothesis is more likely to be correct, but your
postings imply that discussing these two different tentative
conclusions---Bob Anderson in Great Migration and Edwin Witter's TAG
article about a decade ago---is not your major purpose when dealing
with The American Genealogist.

Ah, yes, how dare I be anything other than entirely complimentary to
an idle, complacent, self-important little man. ... :-)

But, of course, I was inquiring seriously about the Newton thing
(being descended from Benedict Alvord and his wife Joan/ Jane).

How like one of the grandiose FASGs to imply ... "I could tell you,
but I won't."

What a tedious, tired, brain-dead lot you are ...

[End of daily rant.]

John Brandon

Re: Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av John Brandon » 27 okt 2007 20:50:24

"We must choose QUALITY" -- even if we get to be a year-and-a-half
behind schedule (with all the headaches this causes for indexers and
the extra cost of producing and mailing free-standing indexes)!

My personal recommendation is that you publish the indices on your
website (which needs to be updated, by the way). That way you save on
costs and don't have to wait as long for indexing to be finished.

Doug McDonald

Re: Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 28 okt 2007 14:31:42

John Brandon wrote:
In answer to the question:"When something is published at the
publisher's expense, isn't the publisher running a vanity press?"

No.

All I'm saying is that journals give a greater appearance of accuracy
and trustworthiness when (1) they are always on schedule (more or
less); and (2) when all costs are met by subscribers and the editor
(co-editors?) are not footing part of the bill.

In science "a greater appearance of accuracy
and trustworthiness" appears when the AUTHORS are footing the bill,
or at least half of it. Raising money purely by subscription
is unseemly. So are ads, usually, though a tradition of
both ads and excellence mitigates that.


Doug McDonald

John Brandon

Re: Is TAG out yet?

Legg inn av John Brandon » 28 okt 2007 16:23:47

In science "a greater appearance of accuracy
and trustworthiness" appears when the AUTHORS are footing the bill,
or at least half of it. Raising money purely by subscription
is unseemly. So are ads, usually, though a tradition of
both ads and excellence mitigates that.

Doug McDonald

Yeah, well, we all know genealogy is hardly a science (more of an art,
I think). :-)

I think it's highly silly for David to compare his little independent
rag to NEHGR and the American Antiquarian Society journal, both of
which have massive institutions behind them, or to popular magazines
like Harper's, which have huge circulations.

TAG has, what, a few thousand subscribers? It really does need to get
its act together before it loses the good-will and feeble support of
those few thousand.

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Is TAG Out Yet?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 28 okt 2007 16:43:13

Go Ahead...

Please flesh this out more.

You seem to be describing the Economic Theory behind Academic and
Professional Journals.

DSH

"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:fg23a6$hsk$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

John Brandon wrote:

In answer to the question:"When something is published at the
publisher's expense, isn't the publisher running a vanity press?"

No.

All I'm saying is that journals give a greater appearance of accuracy
and trustworthiness when (1) they are always on schedule (more or
less); and (2) when all costs are met by subscribers and the editor
(co-editors?) are not footing part of the bill.

In science "a greater appearance of accuracy
and trustworthiness" appears when the AUTHORS are footing the bill,
or at least half of it. Raising money purely by subscription
is unseemly. So are ads, usually, though a tradition of
both ads and excellence mitigates that.


Doug McDonald

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