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Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 21 okt 2007 11:26:19

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Thompson" <doug.thompson@virgin.net>
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Braose - De Brewes - de Briwere


There was a long discussion on this newsgroup around March 2002 on the
topic
of the various spellings of Braose and which might be the preferred usage.
You can find it in the archive by searching for "spelling braose".

Briwer, Bruere, Brewer is a totally different family.


Doug Thompson
====================== In other words, Douglas Richardson did use the wrong

spelling, I wonder why.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas, Canberra, Australia


http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thompson/BraoseWeb/stage.htm



On 21/10/07 03:20, in article
mailman.274.1192933269.19317.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com,
"pajunkin@bellsouth.net" <pajunkin@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Leo,
I understand the many spelling, however, I did think that Braose and
Briwere
were two different families. Am I incorrect?
Pat

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au

Douglas Richardson has put his finger on the inconsistency of medieval
spelling.
For some names there are many variations, and which one should be used?

If you look in CP Volume I page 281. here we find Braose see Brewes.

Then CP Volume I pages 302 to 310 has several entries

Page 302 begins with BREWES, Breus see Brewes, Breuse, Brewes or
Breworse, a
Barony of 1290

Page 304 had an entry for Breuse or Brewes, Sir Richard de Breuse first
summoned
in 1276

Page 308 has an entry for Brewes, Brewose, Breouse, or Brewes, Barony of
1348

Volumne XIV pages 110 to 112 has the heading Brewes

--------
Burke's extinct Peerage, 1866, pages 72 and 73 uses de Braose. Here the
mentioned Grace, wife of Reginald, is recorded as Groecia, daughter of
William
de Bruere
-------

Turton in his Plantagenet Ancestry, page 78, uses de Braose for the main
family
and Grace is here as Grace de Briwere.
--------
Gary Boyd Roberts in his Royal Descent of 600 Immigrants (see index page
624)
uses de Braose
------
Weiss in Ancestral Roots, 7th edition, adds yet another spelling, Braose
(see
Braiose) Brewer (see Briwere)
------
I am sure this family can be found in many more publications (secondary
sources)
and so the question arises what do primary sources say?
But then "tradition" several times uses names or spellings not used by
the
people concerned themselves. I suppose we should use the name/spelling
recognised by most. My vote goes to de Braose.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia

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Doug Thompson

Re: Braose - De Brewes - de Briwere

Legg inn av Doug Thompson » 21 okt 2007 11:39:31

I don't think you can accuse anyone of using a "wrong" spelling, Leo. Doug
uses his own preference for the spelling and tries to be consistent in his
own books. It just doesn't coincide with the preference used by a lot of
other people.

The spelling of the name is a small detail. It's the false information he
gives about the family which worries me more, since his books have an
appearance of authority which is unfounded.


Doug Thompson0

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On 21/10/07 11:26, in article
mailman.282.1192962422.19317.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com, "Leo van de Pas"
<leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Thompson" <doug.thompson@virgin.net
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Braose - De Brewes - de Briwere


There was a long discussion on this newsgroup around March 2002 on the
topic
of the various spellings of Braose and which might be the preferred usage.
You can find it in the archive by searching for "spelling braose".

Briwer, Bruere, Brewer is a totally different family.


Doug Thompson
====================== In other words, Douglas Richardson did use the wrong
spelling, I wonder why.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas, Canberra, Australia


http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thomps ... /stage.htm



On 21/10/07 03:20, in article
mailman.274.1192933269.19317.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com,
"pajunkin@bellsouth.net" <pajunkin@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Leo,
I understand the many spelling, however, I did think that Braose and
Briwere
were two different families. Am I incorrect?
Pat

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au

Douglas Richardson has put his finger on the inconsistency of medieval
spelling.
For some names there are many variations, and which one should be used?

If you look in CP Volume I page 281. here we find Braose see Brewes.

Then CP Volume I pages 302 to 310 has several entries

Page 302 begins with BREWES, Breus see Brewes, Breuse, Brewes or
Breworse, a
Barony of 1290

Page 304 had an entry for Breuse or Brewes, Sir Richard de Breuse first
summoned
in 1276

Page 308 has an entry for Brewes, Brewose, Breouse, or Brewes, Barony of
1348

Volumne XIV pages 110 to 112 has the heading Brewes

--------
Burke's extinct Peerage, 1866, pages 72 and 73 uses de Braose. Here the
mentioned Grace, wife of Reginald, is recorded as Groecia, daughter of
William
de Bruere
-------

Turton in his Plantagenet Ancestry, page 78, uses de Braose for the main
family
and Grace is here as Grace de Briwere.
--------
Gary Boyd Roberts in his Royal Descent of 600 Immigrants (see index page
624)
uses de Braose
------
Weiss in Ancestral Roots, 7th edition, adds yet another spelling, Braose
(see
Braiose) Brewer (see Briwere)
------
I am sure this family can be found in many more publications (secondary
sources)
and so the question arises what do primary sources say?
But then "tradition" several times uses names or spellings not used by
the
people concerned themselves. I suppose we should use the name/spelling
recognised by most. My vote goes to de Braose.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia

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