Elizabeth: The Golden Age -- Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen

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D. Spencer Hines

Elizabeth: The Golden Age -- Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 12 okt 2007 22:22:29

Decidedly a SUPERIOR FILM.

Indeed a MUST-SEE.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Britannicus Traductus Sum

Ray O'Hara

Re: Elizabeth: The Golden Age -- Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen

Legg inn av Ray O'Hara » 12 okt 2007 22:41:28

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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Decidedly a SUPERIOR FILM.

the reviews i saw said it was a sappy soap opera.

pj.evans

Re: Elizabeth: The Golden Age -- Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen

Legg inn av pj.evans » 12 okt 2007 23:39:54

On Oct 12, 2:22 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
Decidedly a SUPERIOR FILM.

Indeed a MUST-SEE.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

The reviews <em>I</em> saw said the history was bogus and the plot was
unbelievable.

John Briggs

Re: Elizabeth: The Golden Age -- Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen

Legg inn av John Briggs » 13 okt 2007 00:18:54

Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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Decidedly a SUPERIOR FILM.

the reviews i saw said it was a sappy soap opera.

Funnily enough, the idiot who wrote it, while defending his series "The
Toodors" (as we call it) said, "I'm not writing a a documentary, I'm writing
a soap opera..."

[He told the Americans it was 85% accurate - which he admits to making
up...]
--
John Briggs

Billzz

Re: Elizabeth: The Golden Age -- Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen

Legg inn av Billzz » 13 okt 2007 00:47:26

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Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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Decidedly a SUPERIOR FILM.

the reviews i saw said it was a sappy soap opera.

Funnily enough, the idiot who wrote it, while defending his series "The
Toodors" (as we call it) said, "I'm not writing a a documentary, I'm
writing a soap opera..."

[He told the Americans it was 85% accurate - which he admits to making
up...]
--
John Briggs

Well, I think that they are *all* like that. They want to make a
documentary, but then get some kind of fear that it won't *sell* so they
sell out. "Roger and Me" probably started out with serious intent, but then
Michael Moore left the subject and went to some attention-getting device.
In the series "Jazz," Ken Burns just has to have a racial quote by Nick
LaRocca, and a special nod to Benny Goodman for the first integrated band -
both had to be for controversy, although both "facts" were wrong, but it's
all to get ratings. I've also seen 1950s documentaries on the coming Ice
Age, and how increasing radiation was going to make mutants. But
considering today's politicians and music stars, the last subject may be
true.

La N

Re: Elizabeth: The Golden Age -- Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen

Legg inn av La N » 13 okt 2007 00:52:51

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Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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Decidedly a SUPERIOR FILM.

the reviews i saw said it was a sappy soap opera.

Funnily enough, the idiot who wrote it, while defending his series "The
Toodors" (as we call it) said, "I'm not writing a a documentary, I'm
writing a soap opera..."

[He told the Americans it was 85% accurate - which he admits to making
up...]
--
John Briggs

Well, I think that they are *all* like that. They want to make a
documentary, but then get some kind of fear that it won't *sell* so they
sell out. "Roger and Me" probably started out with serious intent, but
then Michael Moore left the subject and went to some attention-getting
device. In the series "Jazz," Ken Burns just has to have a racial quote by
Nick LaRocca, and a special nod to Benny Goodman for the first integrated
band - both had to be for controversy, although both "facts" were wrong,
but it's all to get ratings. I've also seen 1950s documentaries on the
coming Ice Age, and how increasing radiation was going to make mutants.
But considering today's politicians and music stars, the last subject may
be true.


For a good documentary, watch:
Shake Hands with the Devil: The Journey of Roméo Dallaire (2004)

Lieutenant General Dallaire is a Canadian and a personal hero of mine (oh,
where oh where is Sheila J. when I need a tag team partner in this thread!).

Anyway, here's something about it:

http://www.whitepinepictures.com/dallairesite/

- nilita

La N

Re: Elizabeth: The Golden Age -- Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen

Legg inn av La N » 13 okt 2007 01:26:44

"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
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Well, I think that they are *all* like that. They want to make a
documentary, but then get some kind of fear that it won't *sell* so they
sell out. "Roger and Me" probably started out with serious intent, but
then Michael Moore left the subject and went to some attention-getting
device.


Well, those dancing robots *were* kinda funny ...%)

- nilita

CE Wood

Re: Elizabeth: The Golden Age -- Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen

Legg inn av CE Wood » 13 okt 2007 05:38:57

What can you expect, considering the inaccuracies of his first
Elizabeth movie, which I walked out of because it was so fictional.
Great acting, but not history. Sigh.

CE Wood

On Oct 12, 3:39 pm, "pj.evans" <pj.evans....@usa.net> wrote:
On Oct 12, 2:22 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:

Decidedly a SUPERIOR FILM.

Indeed a MUST-SEE.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

The reviews <em>I</em> saw said the history was bogus and the plot was
unbelievable.

The Highlander

Re: Elizabeth: The Golden Age -- Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen

Legg inn av The Highlander » 13 okt 2007 05:46:35

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:47:26 -0700, "Billzz"
<billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:vARPi.418$6q5.1726@eagle.america.net...
Decidedly a SUPERIOR FILM.

the reviews i saw said it was a sappy soap opera.

Funnily enough, the idiot who wrote it, while defending his series "The
Toodors" (as we call it) said, "I'm not writing a a documentary, I'm
writing a soap opera..."

[He told the Americans it was 85% accurate - which he admits to making
up...]
--
John Briggs

Well, I think that they are *all* like that. They want to make a
documentary, but then get some kind of fear that it won't *sell* so they
sell out. "Roger and Me" probably started out with serious intent, but then
Michael Moore left the subject and went to some attention-getting device.
In the series "Jazz," Ken Burns just has to have a racial quote by Nick
LaRocca, and a special nod to Benny Goodman for the first integrated band -
both had to be for controversy, although both "facts" were wrong, but it's
all to get ratings. I've also seen 1950s documentaries on the coming Ice
Age, and how increasing radiation was going to make mutants. But
considering today's politicians and music stars, the last subject may be
true.

Remember "Braveheart"?


Braveheart (1995) - 60 mistakes

Directed by Mel Gibson, starring Mel Gibson, Patrick McGoohan, Sophie
Marceau

Continuity: In one of the major battles, Wallace is charging down a
hill with a large sword in his hand. During the charging it changes to
being a small pick axe type tool. Then around the middle of the charge
there is a quick shot change and almost from the same angle the pick
axe has disappeared. It then changes back to a large sword, a quick
change back to the pick axe, then back to the large sword.

Mistake Visible crew/equipment: At the funeral of William Wallace's
wife, Murron, a white van can be seen. He bends down to kiss her and
as he stands back up, if you look over his left shoulder through the
trees you can see the van going past. It's very quick, small, and
blurred, but it's there.

Screen shot Continuity: In the scene where Wallace first meets
Princess Isabelle and is left alone with her in the tent, the wimple
she is wearing appears to have a life of its own - first it's on her
chin, then over her chin, and then under her chin.

Mistake Continuity: In the first large battle with England at Falkirk
the same scenes are used when the English fire the arrows. The first
time the arrows are fired, a blonde young man is hit in the foot, they
then moon the English so they fire again and the same man is seen
getting hit in the same foot. A man in the same battle is shot in the
hip - when he grabs the wound you can see the shape of the cushioned
bulb that the arrow is attached to. If you watch during all the battle
scenes you can detect men who are supposed to be on opposite sides
standing and talking, also you can see the choreographed moves being
played out in almost slow motion - their swords aren't even striking.

Mistake Revealing: At the end, Wallace's friend is charging in slow
motion, and if you look closely you will see his battle axe flopping
around like it's made of rubber.

Mistake Other: When Robert the Bruce returns to the battlefield at
Falkirk, there are 2 children supposedly crying over a loved one. If
you look at the blonde girl she is actually laughing.

Mistake Continuity: In a major fight scene two soldiers on opposite
sides are jumping and spinning and tapping each other on the head with
their swords.

Mistake Continuity: At the end when Wallace is being led to be
executed, he is pelted with food. Much of it sticks to his face and
hair. A few moments later when they are standing him up he is
completely clean.

Mistake Continuity: At Stirling an English archer is hit by the nobles
on horseback causing his helmet to fall off. He's then hit again and
somehow his helmet falls off again. Then when he lands he is still
wearing his helmet despite it having fallen off (twice).

Mistake Continuity: In another major battle scene William Wallace is
running into battle with a bloody claymore in his hand. In the next
shot of him it is back in its sheath. Then in another scene he has it
in his grasp again, but this time it is clean.

Mistake Continuity: After Wallace kills the Scottish noble in bed, he
jumps out of the castle window into a river on a horse. As he is
falling, you can see that the horse is a model and when they fall into
the water one can see the paper-mache (or whatever) horse bobbing
around.

Mistake Revealing: When Wallace walks up to the man who killed Murron
and faces him. Look at the man behind Wallace and the man. You can
actually see a car passing behind his head in the distance. Submitted
by Mortug

Screen shot Continuity: When the English spy tries to kill Wallace,
and you realize the crazy Irishman is a friend, you see the spy drop
his sword, as soon as he is hit by the Irishman's weapon, but as soon
as he hits the ground dead, the sword is back in his hand.

Mistake Visible crew/equipment: In the execution scene at the end,
right as Wallace is being quartered, you can clearly see (on
widescreen) a plastic spray bottle on the upper left part of the
screen, presumably filled with fake blood.

Mistake Continuity: When Wallace, Hamish and Stephen burn the hut with
the English soldiers inside watch for a fourth man who appears for one
shot only then disappears. He also has a torch despite Stephen only
lighting three.

Mistake Factual error: The reason why it is called the Battle of
Stirling is because it was fought on Stirling Bridge, in mud. The
English had to file down into small ranks so they could cross the
bridge, while William Wallace came in with full plate armour, not
kilts, and butchered them with the rest of the Scots. [An amusing
addition off the DVD to add to this mistake. Mel Gibson originally
planned to film the battle of Stirling Bridge at the actual site. He
had to scrap that idea because the bridge kept getting in the way.
When he mentioned this to one of the Scottish history advisors on the
film, the man's reply was "Aye, that's what the English found." ]

Mistake Factual error: Princess Isabella was a 13-year-old girl living
in France when William Wallace was executed in 1305. She didn't marry
Prince Edward until 1308, and the marriage took place in Boulogne, not
London.

Mistake Factual error: Malcolm Wallace had three sons: John, William,
and Malcolm. He was not killed in a minor scuffle with the English.
He, in fact, fought for several years with the English in order to
free John de Baliol from the tower of London. At the time, Baliol was
the rightful heir to the Scottish crown, and that was actually
William's reason for fighting the English. Robert the Bruce was the
one who actually liberated Scotland, right?

Screen shot Continuity: When Wallace tries to escape from the English
with his wife, not knowing that she has been captured and executed, he
is seen running through the woods screaming her name... As he's
running he has a sword in his right hand. During the course of three
or four camera shots, the sword he is holding magically disappears and
reappears as different cameras shoot him. Then it reappears and he
digs it into the ground as he takes off the English soldier's uniform
that he stole.

Mistake Continuity: The number of scars on Wallace's chest during the
execution scene changes from two to four between shots.

Factual error: The voice-over at the beginning of the film tells us
that Malcolm Wallace was a commoner with his own lands and constant
references are made through-out the film to William being a commoner.
However this is a common historical myth. Malcolm Wallace was in fact
born as a minor noble and became a knight, as was William. They were
poor as noble families went but were still infinitely more privileged
than the commoners of the day.

Screen shot Visible crew/equipment: When Wallace throws one of the
archers down from the tower, as he falls on the roof below him. Look
down to the left of the screen. You should be able to see a man in a
dark blue shirt standing beside a camera. Submitted by Mortug

Screen shot Continuity: In the scene when Hamish and Wallace are
throwing stones, Hamish gets hit on the head. When he falls to the
floor his head is bleeding, but in the next shot there is no blood and
a very faint cut.

Mistake Factual error: In the opening scene of the film a caption at
the bottom of the screen tells us it is Scotland 1280 AD and the
voice-over tells us the King of Scotland had died without an heir etc.
But Alexander III of Scotland did not die until 1286 AD.

Mistake Continuity: When Stephen and the other Scot come to join
Wallace's army, watch Stephen as the other man speaks first, he has
only slight beard stubble. As Stephen speaks and helps himself to
food, he has suddenly grown a goatee beard, which stays for the
remainder of the film.

Mistake Revealing: When the Scott gets shot in the buttocks during
Stirling, there's a lot of blood already on his leg as soon as the
arrow hits him.

Mistake Continuity: Just before Wallace picks up the archer to throw
him over the ledge, you can the archer has a tin looking hat around
his head with part of his suit covering his head below the hat. In the
shot from in front of the ledge when Wallace is throwing him off the
cap has now disappeared before he has been thrown. The following shot
as he is falling its a bit hard to see his cap but you see it come
off. Submitted by Lummie

Mistake Continuity: At Falkirk the order in which Longshanks, Robert
the Bruce and the English soldier are standing changes from shot to
shot. In some shots Bruce is between the soldier and Longshanks and in
other shots the soldier is between Longshanks and Bruce without the
actors ever moving.

Mistake Continuity: Near the beginning when the boy is waiting for the
men to return and he has the bucket of water, you hear the water slosh
but the scrawny boy runs so effortlessly with it and you never hear it
slosh again. Then when he is at the fence with his back to them, you
see the bottom of the bucket is wet, but there's no water in it.

Mistake Revealing: William Wallace's footwear (as seen at the end of
the movie) has metal eyelets. Either he was ahead of his time or
wardrobe wasn't paying attention to detail.

Mistake Continuity: When Wallace throws the first archer over the
wall, he comes up to him from the archer's right and picks him up, but
in the following shot Wallace is on his left.

Mistake Continuity: When Wallace was first seen approaching the deer,
he already had the bow and arrow ready, he would just need to draw
back and shoot. But in a close up shot of Wallace, he was just taking
out an arrow to get it ready.

Mistake Factual error: The title of the Duke of York did not yet exist
in the 13th century - it was instituted only later and was normally
used only by a younger son of the King.

Mistake Continuity: In the first battle scene (the first one with
Wallace and the blue paint), when Wallace is charging the English you
see him grabbing for his sword. In the next scene his arms are at his
side. In the scene after that, he is grabbing for his sword again.

Mistake Continuity: In the prison cell scene, after Princess Isabelle
enters the cell and the jailor leaves, the jailor leaves the cell door
half closed. The camera moves to William again then back to Princess
Isabelle and the door is now fully open.

Mistake Continuity: When William comes to take Murron on a horse ride
in the rain, he talks to Murron's parents. The camera cuts to Murron a
couple of times, ducking under the shelter, and her hair is completely
dry. But when she rushes out and jumps onto William's horse, her hair
is soaked. Obviously this scene took several takes, and they didn't
take the time to dry the actress's hair between each take.

Mistake Continuity: At Sterling right after the first arrow attack by
the English men, you can see Wallace getting up with his shield in
front of him. We can see one arrow attached to his shield, however
when it cuts he has two arrows attached to the shield. Submitted by
Mortug

Mistake Factual error: Wallace - Sir William Wallace - was a noble,
not a scruffy tribesman as shown in this film. As such, his trial
(such as it was) and execution were detailed in the court records of
the day and they still exist. He was dragged the three and a half
miles from the Tower to Aldgate chained (not tied) to a piece of
fencing, not on a wheeled cart, and he was never 'racked', just hanged
vertically. He was never offered a chance to recant his beliefs in
exchange for a quicker, more merciful death. While hanging, still
alive, he was emasculated ('his privy parts cut away') and his
genitals burnt on a brazier in front of him. The executioner then slit
open his abdomen and disemboweled him, then his chest was cut open and
his heart torn out. He was never allowed to speak, was not tied to a
flat table and was beheaded after he was dead. The film gets all of
this wrong.

Mistake Continuity: When Wallace arrives at the home of Murron to
invite her for a ride in the rain, the mother's head covering changes
several times between shots. Sometimes it has the yellow fringe close
to her face and other times it does not have the fringe at all.

Mistake Continuity: When the spy was trying to kill Wallace, he was
seen swinging his sword forward. The shot cut to Stephen throwing his
knife. When the shot cut back to the spy being hit by Stephen's knife,
he was pulling back his sword to get ready for a forward swing. What?
Did he miss on his first attempt and had to try again?

Factual error: At the battle of Falkirk, the Irish soldiers fighting
for Edward change sides at the last moment and go over to fight with
the Scots. In reality, there were no Irish troops present at the
battle. The only troublemakers amongst the English army were the
contingent of Welsh bowmen who showed a reluctance to fight Wallace
but this was more out of fear rather than sympathy for the Scots.

Mistake Continuity: At the end, when the main executioner bends down,
his cloak shifts and you can see he is wearing brown shoes with red
rubber soles. These rubber soled shoes are worn today and had not been
invented yet.

Mistake Factual error: Scots did not wear the kilt until the 17th
century. They wore the saffron shirt prior to that (in Braveheart's
time).

Mistake Visible crew/equipment: In the rock throwing scene, after the
rock passes Wallace's head, a crew member in a blue baseball cap walks
on screen to the bottom left.

Mistake Continuity: At Stirling when the Scottish attack on horse,
there is a scene where an Englishman is being sliced by a sword and is
quite bloody. Then it cuts to him being run over by two horses and you
can see that it is not the same man nor are there any traces of blood
on him. Then it cuts to him falling to the ground and he is again
quite bloody. Submitted by Mortug

Mistake Continuity: Right before Campbell gets his hand chopped off
you can see him fall over and land on a dead man. When it cuts, the
way he lies beside the man has changed. Submitted by Mortug

Mistake Continuity: When Morrison bumps into an English soldier, he
falls to the ground. At the same time he swings his sword from his
right. When it cuts, he is on his legs swinging his sword from his
left. Submitted by Mortug

Mistake Continuity: Right after Wallace has been riding with Murron
when MacClannough and some other men gets to Wallace's, as
MacClannough says "You want to stay out of the trouble?". You can see
Wallace standing with his arms to his waist. When it cuts his arms are
down. Submitted by Mortug

Mistake Continuity: In the scene where Wallace is saved by Steven,
right after he meets him, watch Steven as he is about to throw the
small sword. When he comes out of the brush and starts running, he
gets past the two trees in front of him, then it cuts to Wallace
aiming his bow at him, then it cuts back to Steven and he is back
behind the trees.

Mistake Continuity: At the wedding scene near the beginning of the
film, Wallace challenges Hamish to throw a large rock at him. He
throws the rock, and in slow motion the rock is clearly on Wallace's
left side; he even leans a little to his right as the rock starts to
pass by on his left. But in the next angle the rock is very clearly on
his right.

Mistake Visible crew/equipment: At Stirling right before Wallace drops
his sword and picks up an axe you can see some black duct tape on his
sword. A man then swings his sword at the exact position of the duct
tape. This is an obvious test take where they rehearse the scene, and
was not meant to end up on screen. Submitted by Mortug

Mistake Revealing: At the end of the battle of Stirling we see a
Scotsman stab something with his sword and we can hear "Ouch.".
However there is no one on the ground where he stabs. He just rams the
sword into the ground. Then he does it again and we hear "Ouch.".
Quite fun to watch. Submitted by Mortug

Mistake Audio problem: In the scene where the Scots are applying a
battering ram to the city gates you can plainly hear someone shout
"Stop, drop and roll" after the English set fire to the battering ram.

Mistake Continuity: During a scene showing Wallace and Murron hurrying
up a low slope, a funny red light, possibly from a camera, briefly
flashes far back in the trees behind them. Watch really carefully to
spot it.

Mistake Factual error: In the movie the Scots sack the English city of
York. Actually they sacked the city of Carlisle.

Mistake Continuity: Near the end of the battle of Stirling (the first
big one), an English officer on a horse comes at Wallace. Wallace
swings his sword at the feet of the horse, knocking it and the officer
down. As the officer falls his sword goes from one hand to the other
several times.

Mistake Continuity: During the funeral scene for Wallace's wife we see
the leader of the group of Scots that show up later in the film (after
the attack on the local fort). Nobody seemed to know him but he was
at the funeral with all of them...

Mistake Other: After the fight at Falkirk where Robert The Bruce is
walking through the field, there is a woman walking checking the
bodies. All these people clearly are supposed to be dead. The woman
lifts the head of a man and then puts it down. After she lets go of
the head, the boy picks up his head and looks to his side.

Mistake Continuity: In the first battle where Wallace is attacking the
palisades and he is riding slowly, pretending to be unarmed and later
draws a morning star/flail from behind his hair, the morning
star/flail obviously isn't there until he needs it.

Mistake Continuity: At the end of the movie the executioner bends down
to bind William's feet. The scene shows the rope starting around his
feet and then a second later William is yanked into the air with a
complicated noose-like knot holding his lower body to the ground. How
did they make that knot so fast?

Ray O'Hara

Re: Elizabeth: The Golden Age -- Cate Blanchett/Clive Owen

Legg inn av Ray O'Hara » 13 okt 2007 05:55:39

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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:47:26 -0700, "Billzz"
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"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:vARPi.418$6q5.1726@eagle.america.net...
Decidedly a SUPERIOR FILM.

the reviews i saw said it was a sappy soap opera.

Funnily enough, the idiot who wrote it, while defending his series "The
Toodors" (as we call it) said, "I'm not writing a a documentary, I'm
writing a soap opera..."

[He told the Americans it was 85% accurate - which he admits to making
up...]
--
John Briggs

Well, I think that they are *all* like that. They want to make a
documentary, but then get some kind of fear that it won't *sell* so they
sell out. "Roger and Me" probably started out with serious intent, but
then
Michael Moore left the subject and went to some attention-getting device.
In the series "Jazz," Ken Burns just has to have a racial quote by Nick
LaRocca, and a special nod to Benny Goodman for the first integrated
band -
both had to be for controversy, although both "facts" were wrong, but
it's
all to get ratings. I've also seen 1950s documentaries on the coming Ice
Age, and how increasing radiation was going to make mutants. But
considering today's politicians and music stars, the last subject may be
true.

Remember "Braveheart"?

Braveheart (1995) - 60 mistakes

Directed by Mel Gibson, starring Mel Gibson, Patrick McGoohan, Sophie
Marceau



they do a lot of that stuff on purpose.

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