parentage of Ida de Tosny

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parentage of Ida de Tosny

Legg inn av M.Sjostrom » 09 okt 2007 16:13:58

citation:
"Names were chosen for other causes apart from
repeating those found in a baby's pedigree. Margaret
Bigod might have been named after her maternal
grandmother, certainly, but for all we know she could
have been named after her mother's sister-in-law, who
might have been her godmother. The mere occurrence of
a name cannot determine the exact placement in a
family, or necessarily distinguish ancestors from
relatives or both of these from in-laws, or even from
family friends and other connections."

Yes, that is chiefly true, BUT
an old and fairly honored custom was to perpetuate
names of grandparents. Thus, if in a bigger brood of
children, name of any grandparent seems to be lacking,
it usually was because that grandparent's namesake
baby died without having a lasting record - in which
case, fairly often, a later child was given the same
name and it perpetuates anyway. Thus, one should
expect an Ida to be among children of the
younger-generation couple in this case.

Were those living in a much more traditional Germanic
culture, and not already in that Anglo-Norman,
cognoscenti would also expect that the name of a
parent would not be given to any baby unless that
parent were dead at the time of giving the name. In
such cultural context, which is not the case here, a
mother named Ida would have daughter named Ida only if
the mother died soon after the daughter's birth.






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Volucris

Re: parentage of Ida de Tosny

Legg inn av Volucris » 10 okt 2007 19:19:24

Dear M.

I can seen your point. I made similar observations a few years back.
See:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.gene ... 5c148e60e6

There seems to be no evidence for the suggestion that Dutch/Germanic
naming customs could have been applied in the Anglo-Norman area. The
mere thought brings the English-speaking genealogical researchers to
the barricades. All other explanations are deemed possible.

Hans Vogels

On 9 okt, 15:13, "M.Sjostrom" <q...@yahoo.com> wrote:
citation:
"Names were chosen for other causes apart from
repeating those found in a baby's pedigree. Margaret
Bigod might have been named after her maternal
grandmother, certainly, but for all we know she could
have been named after her mother's sister-in-law, who
might have been her godmother. The mere occurrence of
a name cannot determine the exact placement in a
family, or necessarily distinguish ancestors from
relatives or both of these from in-laws, or even from
family friends and other connections."

Yes, that is chiefly true, BUT
an old and fairly honored custom was to perpetuate
names of grandparents. Thus, if in a bigger brood of
children, name of any grandparent seems to be lacking,
it usually was because that grandparent's namesake
baby died without having a lasting record - in which
case, fairly often, a later child was given the same
name and it perpetuates anyway. Thus, one should
expect an Ida to be among children of the
younger-generation couple in this case.

Were those living in a much more traditional Germanic
culture, and not already in that Anglo-Norman,
cognoscenti would also expect that the name of a
parent would not be given to any baby unless that
parent were dead at the time of giving the name. In
such cultural context, which is not the case here, a
mother named Ida would have daughter named Ida only if
the mother died soon after the daughter's birth.

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Gjest

Re: parentage of Ida de Tosny

Legg inn av Gjest » 11 okt 2007 02:15:37

On Oct 9, 6:13 am, "M.Sjostrom" <q...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Were those living in a much more traditional Germanic
culture, and not already in that Anglo-Norman,
cognoscenti would also expect that the name of a
parent would not be given to any baby unless that
parent were dead at the time of giving the name. In
such cultural context, which is not the case here, a
mother named Ida would have daughter named Ida only if
the mother died soon after the daughter's birth.

This might also be the case if the child was named for someone who
coincidentally had the same name as the parent (i.e. if Bjorn Einarson
married Helga Bjornisdotter, they might have a child Bjorn named after
the maternal grandfather even though the father had the same name).

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