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Pulesdon/ Puleston

Legg inn av JohnR » 09 okt 2007 19:30:24

Searching the web I came across the following entry in someone's
family tree which I here copy word for word. Since the Pulestons I
know of were a fairly minor Shropshire/ Cheshire/ Staffordshire
family, not forgetting Roger Puleston who was unfortunate enough to
hang out in Caernarfon, has anyone any idea who the writer of this
erudite text could mean?

The surname Stoddard, Stodder. It was anciently written De La Standard and corrupted to Stoddard or Stodart. The first of the name came with Wm. the Congueror as a standard bearer to Vicompte De pulesdon, a noble Norman.

John

Gjest

Re: Pulesdon/ Puleston

Legg inn av Gjest » 09 okt 2007 20:49:11

On Oct 9, 11:30 am, JohnR <cjr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Searching the web I came across the following entry in someone's
family tree which I here copy word for word. Since the Pulestons I
know of were a fairly minor Shropshire/ Cheshire/ Staffordshire
family, not forgetting Roger Puleston who was unfortunate enough to
hang out in Caernarfon, has anyone any idea who the writer of this
erudite text could mean?

The surname Stoddard, Stodder. It was anciently written De La Standard and corrupted to Stoddard or Stodart. The first of the name came with Wm. the Congueror as a standard bearer to Vicompte De pulesdon, a noble Norman.



Unfortunately, the writer of this 'erudite text' was not very
erudite. I suspect that everything after "The surname Stoddard,
Stodder" is flawed. The origin of the name appears to be nothing but
a 'Just So Story', while there was never a Vicompte de Pulesdon, and
no member of the Pulesdon family can be traced back to the Norman
Conquest.

taf

Renia

Re: Pulesdon/ Puleston

Legg inn av Renia » 10 okt 2007 02:51:27

JohnR wrote:

Searching the web I came across the following entry in someone's
family tree which I here copy word for word. Since the Pulestons I
know of were a fairly minor Shropshire/ Cheshire/ Staffordshire
family, not forgetting Roger Puleston who was unfortunate enough to
hang out in Caernarfon, has anyone any idea who the writer of this
erudite text could mean?


The surname Stoddard, Stodder. It was anciently written De La Standard and corrupted to Stoddard or Stodart. The first of the name came with Wm. the Congueror as a standard bearer to Vicompte De pulesdon, a noble Norman.


John



Stoddard
Concerning the origin of this name there is a tradition, that the
first of the family came over with William the Conqueror, as
standard-bearer to Viscompte De Pulesdon, a noble Norman, and that the
name is derived from the office of a standard-bearer, and was anciently
written De La Standard, corrupted to Stodard or Stodart.
http://www.last-names.net/surname.asp?surname=Stoddard


However, as Taf says, no one of the name of Pulesdon or similar is known
to have come with the Conqueror.

JohnR

Re: Pulesdon/ Puleston

Legg inn av JohnR » 10 okt 2007 10:48:31

Stoddard
Concerning the origin of this name there is a tradition, that the
first of the family came over with William the Conqueror, as
standard-bearer to Viscompte De Pulesdon, a noble Norman, and that the
name is derived from the office of a standard-bearer, and was anciently
written De La Standard, corrupted to Stodard or Stodart.http://www.last-names.net/surname.asp?surname=Stoddard

However, as Taf says, no one of the name of Pulesdon or similar is known
to have come with the Conqueror.

Thank you for putting that hare to rest. I have enough trouble tracing
people who did exist let alone fictional ones.

John

Renia

Re: Pulesdon/ Puleston

Legg inn av Renia » 10 okt 2007 12:09:23

JohnR wrote:

Stoddard
Concerning the origin of this name there is a tradition, that the
first of the family came over with William the Conqueror, as
standard-bearer to Viscompte De Pulesdon, a noble Norman, and that the
name is derived from the office of a standard-bearer, and was anciently
written De La Standard, corrupted to Stodard or Stodart.http://www.last-names.net/surname.asp?surname=Stoddard

However, as Taf says, no one of the name of Pulesdon or similar is known
to have come with the Conqueror.


Thank you for putting that hare to rest. I have enough trouble tracing
people who did exist let alone fictional ones.

Is your interest in the Puleston family or the Stoddard family?

JohnR

Re: Pulesdon/ Puleston

Legg inn av JohnR » 10 okt 2007 23:00:09

On Oct 10, 12:09 pm, Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:
JohnR wrote:
Stoddard
Concerning the origin of this name there is a tradition, that the
first of the family came over with William the Conqueror, as
standard-bearer to Viscompte De Pulesdon, a noble Norman, and that the
name is derived from the office of a standard-bearer, and was anciently
written De La Standard, corrupted to Stodard or Stodart.http://www.last-names.net/surname.asp?surname=Stoddard

However, as Taf says, no one of the name of Pulesdon or similar is known
to have come with the Conqueror.

Thank you for putting that hare to rest. I have enough trouble tracing
people who did exist let alone fictional ones.

Is your interest in the Puleston family or the Stoddard family?

Puleston and Jordan of Flashbrook

Gjest

Re: Pulesdon/ Puleston

Legg inn av Gjest » 11 okt 2007 02:25:50

On Oct 10, 3:00 pm, JohnR <cjr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 10, 12:09 pm, Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:

Is your interest in the Puleston family or the Stoddard family?

Puleston and Jordan of Flashbrook

Let me amplify what was said earlier. The name Puleston derives from
an English residence, so at the time of the Conquest, no Anglo-Norman
ancestor of the family would yet have been from that place.

IIRC, Bartrum has a pedigree of Pulesdon in his collection of early
Welsh pedigrees.

taf

Renia

Re: Pulesdon/ Puleston

Legg inn av Renia » 11 okt 2007 06:54:13

taf@clearwire.net wrote:
On Oct 10, 3:00 pm, JohnR <cjr...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 10, 12:09 pm, Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:


Is your interest in the Puleston family or the Stoddard family?

Puleston and Jordan of Flashbrook


Let me amplify what was said earlier. The name Puleston derives from
an English residence


Which English residence would that be?

JohnR

Re: Pulesdon/ Puleston

Legg inn av JohnR » 11 okt 2007 17:06:18

On Oct 11, 6:54 am, Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:
t...@clearwire.net wrote:
On Oct 10, 3:00 pm, JohnR <cjr...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 10, 12:09 pm, Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:

Is your interest in the Puleston family or the Stoddard family?

Puleston and Jordan of Flashbrook

Let me amplify what was said earlier. The name Puleston derives from
an English residence

Which English residence would that be?

Domesday names the place as Plivesdone; at least I copy that from
Eyton's Antiquities of Shropshire. He says that it was a manor held
under the Chetwyns and lists Hamo de Pivelesdon, living in 1200 as the
first he finds.
Quite how Hamo fits into the scheme of things I don't yet know. There
is a Welsh branch of the family, presumably the pedigree of that is
given in >>Bartrum has a pedigree of Pulesdon in his collection of
early Welsh pedigrees<< (I would give my eye teeth to see a copy of
Bartrum). And there is a branch that stayed around Staffordshire and
Shropshire. The Welsh side is quite well documented; or well
documented if one accepts Burke, and leads to the baronetcy. The
relationship of these two branches pivots on possible brothers Roger
and Richard Puleston. These two first names have been used in
succeeding generations and have been incorrectly recorded, just to add
confusion to the muddle.
I have recently found that Thomas Puleston, clericus, in the Patent
Rolls and who wormed himself into royal favour, is of this family.
The modern pronunciation is Pilson.

John

Renia

Re: Pulesdon/ Puleston

Legg inn av Renia » 11 okt 2007 18:41:02

JohnR wrote:

On Oct 11, 6:54 am, Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:

t...@clearwire.net wrote:

On Oct 10, 3:00 pm, JohnR <cjr...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 10, 12:09 pm, Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:

Is your interest in the Puleston family or the Stoddard family?

Puleston and Jordan of Flashbrook

Let me amplify what was said earlier. The name Puleston derives from
an English residence

Which English residence would that be?


Domesday names the place as Plivesdone; at least I copy that from
Eyton's Antiquities of Shropshire. He says that it was a manor held
under the Chetwyns and lists Hamo de Pivelesdon, living in 1200 as the
first he finds.
Quite how Hamo fits into the scheme of things I don't yet know.

Have you seen this website:

http://www.puleston-jones.com/page2.htm

It gives the single-line pedigree from Hamo de Pyvelsdon down to modern
times.

In Domesday, as you doubtless know, Turold held Puleston [or
Pliuesdone]. He also held Longford, Chetwynd, Sambrook and Howle, in
Shropshire.

There are several Turolds mentioned in Keats-Rohan's "Domesday People"
from which I quote:

Turold de Cheuerchort (Nottinghamshire)

Tuold de Lisoriis (often confused with the above)

Turold de Rouecester
A Norman who was steward (dapifer) and tenant of Odo of Bayeux before
his death around the time of the Domesday inquest; his name is found in
Domesday, which recorded the bulk of his holding as having passed to his
son Ralph.

Turold de Verly
Norman, from Vesly (sic), Eure, arr. Les Andelsys, tenant of Roger de
Montgomery in Domesday Shropshire. Identified as Turold de Verleio in
Cart. Shrewsbury p. 34. His son and heir Robert was also a benfactor of
Shrewsbury. His origins are doubtless to be sought in the family of the
Roger fitz Turold who gave land at Vesly to Treport, at the time of its
foundation by Robert count of Eu and his wife Beatrice, c.1050. Beatrice
was Roger's mother by a previous marriage. Roger subsequently set out
with William I on his voyage to England in 1066 but died on the journey.
This Turold was either his son or another relative.

Turold de Wokendon
A Noman, named from Ockendon, Essex, dapifer of Geoffrey I de
Mandeville, of whom he was a Domesday tenant. In 1085, when Geoffrey
founded Hurley priory, Turold's son Ralph became an oblate there.

Turold Nepos Wigot
Nephew of Wigod of Wallingford, tenant, as was his son William, of Earl
Roger de Montgomery. Much of the land assigned to him in Domesday Book
was previously held by Osmund, who was perhaps his father.


Domesday Descendants doesn't help.

Renia

JohnR

Re: Pulesdon/ Puleston

Legg inn av JohnR » 11 okt 2007 21:01:36

Have you seen this website:

http://www.puleston-jones.com/page2.htm

It gives the single-line pedigree from Hamo de Pyvelsdon down to modern
times.

Unfortunately this site assumes that the first four names are lineally
connected and there is currently no evidence to support that and no
sources are cited.

In Domesday, as you doubtless know, Turold held Puleston [or
Pliuesdone]. He also held Longford, Chetwynd, Sambrook and Howle, in
Shropshire.

There are several Turolds mentioned in Keats-Rohan's "Domesday People"
from which I quote:

Please do not disillusion me, my Turold ancestor is the one in the T-
shirt holding a horse, in the tapestry (I know it's really the tall
guy next to him). The Chetwynd family descend from Turold de Verly
(Verdi).

John

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