Rhodolphus Ellmes

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Rhodolphus Ellmes

Legg inn av John Brandon » 08 okt 2007 15:45:52

About a year ago, I posted the following, on the possible origin of
Rhodolphus Elmes of Scituate, Mass.:


I would like to draw attention to a nice webpage that I believe has
helped to clarify the English origin of an American settler, Rodolphus
Elmes of Scituate in Plymouth Colony (later in the Massachusetts Bay):

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... ies09.html

See also

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... phus+elmes

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC5 ... phus+elmes

http://books.google.com/books?id=hcyTX5 ... mes&jtp=63

The first website above quotes the will of widow Sarah Elmes from the
NEHGR:

"WILL OF SARAH ELMES, of the parish of St Saviour's, Southwark, in the
county of Surrey, widow, 25 Aug 1653, proved 20 Apr 1654. To son
ANTHONY ELMES five pounds. To son RADOLPHUS ELMES (now in parts beyond
the seas) the sum of ten pounds if he shall be living at the time of
my decease. To son JONATHAN ELMES ten pounds within one month after my
decease. To grand child JONATHAN ELMES, son of the said JONATHAN, ten
pounds, and to each child as MARY, the wife of the said son JONATHAN,
ten pounds and to such child as MARY, the wife of the said son
JONATHAN, now goeth with all ten pounds. To son HENRY ELMES ten pounds
within one month. To my two grand children, CURTIS AND HENRY ELMES
(minors) sons of my said son HENRY, ten pounds apiece. To my two grand
children JOHN AND SARAH MARIES, children of my daughter MARGARET
MARIES, of the parish of St Saviour's, Southwark, widow, twenty pounds
apiece at the age of one and twenty years or day of marriage. To my
loving cousin SARAH BEST twenty shillings (for a ring) and to sister
ELIZABETH STURMEY, twenty shillings and good friend MR HAMOND of
Pudding Lane twenty shillings (for rings). Daughter MARGARET MARIES to
be sole executrix and Mr JOHN CHELSHAM and loving cousing MR RALPH
COLLINS overseears."

This clearly seems to be the mother of the American immigrant (and
note especially that she had children Anthony and Margaret). Last
February, I posted an item from the reign of James I:

Lists & Indexes, vol. 47 [_Index of Chancery Proceedings (Series I.),
Preserved in the Public Record Office, James I. Vol. I._], p. 298:

--Rodolph Elmes.
--Humfrey Elmes.
--Manor of Bouneyhithe _alias_ Boulney and lands and tenements in
Boulney, Lachbrooke, Shiplacke, and Harding (Oxford).

This seems to indicate that there was an earlier Rodolph or Rhodolphus
Elmes, presumably husband of Sarah and father of Rodolphus, born about
1620, who came to America. The first website above quotes an M.I. in
the church of Henley-on-Thames, "[s]acred to the memory of the family
of ELMES heretofore of Bolney in this county ...," which matches up
with the Chancery proceeding mentioned the "manor of Bouneyhithe
_alias_ Boulney.". First listed on this monument were an Anthony
Elmes, Esq., who died "22 Nov 1621 Aged 75" and his wife Margaret
(compare these names with the names of widow Sarah Elmes' children).
Anthony and Margaret Elmes had a son Humphrey Elmes (again a familiar
name). The website then gives a selection of entries from the parish
register of St. Margaret, Harpsden, Oxfordshire:

23 Apr 1587 Humferye son and heir of Mr Anthony Elmes Esq
31 Oct 1591 Anne Elmes
28 Feb 1592 Raphe Elmes
2 Jan 1595 Ales dau of Mr Anthonye Elmes
23 Jan 1597 Elizabeth dau of Mr Anthonye Elmes

Mightn't this "Ralphe" Elmes be the person later known as Rodolphus
Elmes the elder?

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC0 ... frey+elmes

* * * *

The Visitation of Essex shows that the wife of this Anthony of
Bolneyhithe was Margaret Coyse, daughter of Roger and Joan (Warren)
Coyse:

http://books.google.com/books?id=hqwKAA ... #PPA184,M1

Their marriage occurred at London:

Saint Mary The Virgin Aldermanbury, London
--Anthony Ellmes to Margaret Coise, 16 Sept. 1577

(Notice that the last child attributed (by the first website, above)
to Anthony and Margaret was born in 1597, which is about the limit of
what we'd expect for a marriage that occurred 1577.)

Notice that Anthony and Margaret (Coyse) Elmes presumably had a son
Forster Elmes. I think Forster may have been the maiden name of
Anthony's mother (an earlier Anthony of Bowney or Bolney had
apparently married a Margaret Forster):

http://books.google.com/books?id=K1kBAA ... +bowlneday

At the time of the original posting, taf Farmerie objected a bit to my
speculations, so I present below an alternative "Rhodolphus Elmes"
clue ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=dv8HAA ... s+elmes%22

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