English currency
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Margaret Bauer
English currency
A query.
Can anyone please tell me what amount of money the following was in England
at about 1649 please, it states the following....
"Leaving by his Will, 1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an italics
L) to each of his daughters .... "
I have been searching the internet to find what the old currency of the
period might have been, but cannot see anything that satisfies my searching,
but am thinking it has something to do with how we used to say LSD for
pounds shillings and pence, but I am sure someone can set me straight.
Thankyou
Margaret
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Margaret Bauer
Qld, Australia.
bauerm@tpg.com.au
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Can anyone please tell me what amount of money the following was in England
at about 1649 please, it states the following....
"Leaving by his Will, 1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an italics
L) to each of his daughters .... "
I have been searching the internet to find what the old currency of the
period might have been, but cannot see anything that satisfies my searching,
but am thinking it has something to do with how we used to say LSD for
pounds shillings and pence, but I am sure someone can set me straight.
Thankyou
Margaret
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Margaret Bauer
Qld, Australia.
bauerm@tpg.com.au
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: English Currency
Hilarious!
DSH
"Margaret Bauer" <bauerm@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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DSH
"Margaret Bauer" <bauerm@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.3322.1191735576.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
A query.
Can anyone please tell me what amount of money the following was in
England at about 1649 please, it states the following....
"Leaving by his Will, 1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an
italics L) to each of his daughters .... "
I have been searching the internet to find what the old currency of the
period might have been, but cannot see anything that satisfies my
searching, but am thinking it has something to do with how we used to say
LSD for pounds shillings and pence, but I am sure someone can set me
straight.
Thankyou
Margaret
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Margaret Bauer
Qld, Australia.
bauerm@tpg.com.au
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: English Currency
Hilarious!
DSH
"Margaret Bauer" <bauerm@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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DSH
"Margaret Bauer" <bauerm@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.3322.1191735576.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
A query.
Can anyone please tell me what amount of money the following was in
England at about 1649 please, it states the following....
"Leaving by his Will, 1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an
italics L) to each of his daughters .... "
I have been searching the internet to find what the old currency of the
period might have been, but cannot see anything that satisfies my
searching, but am thinking it has something to do with how we used to say
LSD for pounds shillings and pence, but I am sure someone can set me
straight.
Thankyou
Margaret
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Margaret Bauer
Qld, Australia.
bauerm@tpg.com.au
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a.spencer3
Re: English Currency
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:8n_Ni.320$6q5.1302@eagle.america.net...
Why is that 'hilarious' Hines?
Twit.
Margaret - £sd were operating then, I think, and I remember a crude
inflation figure of x150 for that period. So maybe around £150,000?
Personally, that sounds low to me, but maybe a starting point.
Surreyman
news:8n_Ni.320$6q5.1302@eagle.america.net...
Hilarious!
DSH
"Margaret Bauer" <bauerm@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.3322.1191735576.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
A query.
Can anyone please tell me what amount of money the following was in
England at about 1649 please, it states the following....
"Leaving by his Will, 1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an
italics L) to each of his daughters .... "
I have been searching the internet to find what the old currency of the
period might have been, but cannot see anything that satisfies my
searching, but am thinking it has something to do with how we used to
say
LSD for pounds shillings and pence, but I am sure someone can set me
straight.
Why is that 'hilarious' Hines?
Twit.
Margaret - £sd were operating then, I think, and I remember a crude
inflation figure of x150 for that period. So maybe around £150,000?
Personally, that sounds low to me, but maybe a starting point.
Surreyman
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John Townsend
Re: English currency
Margaret,
"L" is short for "libras", which is Latin for pounds. It is used both for
pounds in weight and money.
Best wishes,
John Townsend
Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk
"L" is short for "libras", which is Latin for pounds. It is used both for
pounds in weight and money.
Best wishes,
John Townsend
Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk
Can anyone please tell me what amount of money the following was in
England at about 1649 please, it states the following....
"Leaving by his Will, 1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an
italics L) to each of his daughters .... "
I have been searching the internet to find what the old currency of the
period might have been, but cannot see anything that satisfies my
searching, but am thinking it has something to do with how we used to say
LSD for pounds shillings and pence, but I am sure someone can set me
straight.
Thankyou
Margaret
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Vance Mead
Re: English Currency
Gregory King in 1688 estimated that the income of a labourer's family
was 15 pounds, a yeoman's 84 pounds, and a gentleman's 280 pounds. So
a multiplier of 500 - 1000 might be more accurate.
Vance Mead
was 15 pounds, a yeoman's 84 pounds, and a gentleman's 280 pounds. So
a multiplier of 500 - 1000 might be more accurate.
Vance Mead
Margaret - £sd were operating then, I think, and I remember a crude
inflation figure of x150 for that period. So maybe around £150,000?
Personally, that sounds low to me, but maybe a starting point.
Surreyman- Hide quoted text -
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Chris Dickinson
Re: English currency
Margaret Bauer wrote:
£1000 to each of his daughters. That is a huge amount of money in 1649.
When my ancestor, William Dickinson, purchased his neighbour's (nowadays
about 70 acres) farm, he paid £90 in 1647 and a further £185 in 1654. So
each £1000 would have bought 4 farms with 250 acres of good farmland.
[OK - so 250 acres ain't large by Australian standards, but substantial in
England!]
Chris
Can anyone please tell me what amount of money the following was in
England at about 1649 please, it states the following....
"Leaving by his Will, 1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an
italics L) to each of his daughters .... "
£1000 to each of his daughters. That is a huge amount of money in 1649.
When my ancestor, William Dickinson, purchased his neighbour's (nowadays
about 70 acres) farm, he paid £90 in 1647 and a further £185 in 1654. So
each £1000 would have bought 4 farms with 250 acres of good farmland.
[OK - so 250 acres ain't large by Australian standards, but substantial in
England!]
Chris
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The Highlander
Re: English Currency
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 08:58:51 GMT, "a.spencer3"
<a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
shillings and pence, an acronym borrowed from the currency of the
Romans; Librae Solidi Denarii. The Denarius still lives on in many
Arab, Asian and Balkan countries as the Dinar.
After all, what would someone like Hines, living on a remote island
group in the South Pacific know about the United Kingdom and its
culture; a place which I don't believe he has even visited, unlike the
many American personnel who served there during WWII.
Still, we must not take away from Hines'personal career achievements;
such as providing accommodation for married servicemen in the struggle
to preserve democracy and the American way of life and ensuring that
there was a union-made toilet brush in every bathroom.
Indeed, they also serve who count sheets and pillows. A vivid
comparison with our own low-profile Royal Navy, where such arcane
details are handled by a storeman; never by a Commander!
There must be hundreds of USN families who still remember the farewell
advice offered as they took possession of their new home - "Please
don't squeeze the Charmin!"
For Brits: A constantly heard television slogan for a brand of
American toilet paper whose advertising teeters on the edge of
vulgarity. Like Germans, Americans are apparently obsessed with
scatological matters; probably reflecting the fact that people of
German descent comprise the largest ethnic group (37%) in the United
States.
After studying the genealogy of people called Hines who live in
Hawaii, it seems that the bulk were of German and Irish descent,
especially from Londonderry. Any volunteers to break this happy news
to soc.culture.irish...?
So much for Cousin Diana Spencer and Cousin Winston. I am now
researching Cousin Goebbels, Cousin Himmler and Cousin Gerry Adams.
<a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:8n_Ni.320$6q5.1302@eagle.america.net...
Hilarious!
DSH
"Margaret Bauer" <bauerm@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.3322.1191735576.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
A query.
Can anyone please tell me what amount of money the following was in
England at about 1649 please, it states the following....
"Leaving by his Will, 1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an
italics L) to each of his daughters .... "
I have been searching the internet to find what the old currency of the
period might have been, but cannot see anything that satisfies my
searching, but am thinking it has something to do with how we used to
say
LSD for pounds shillings and pence, but I am sure someone can set me
straight.
Why is that 'hilarious' Hines?
Twit.
Margaret - £sd were operating then, I think, and I remember a crude
inflation figure of x150 for that period. So maybe around £150,000?
Personally, that sounds low to me, but maybe a starting point.
Surreyman
What Hines probably doesn't know is that £sd stood for pounds,
shillings and pence, an acronym borrowed from the currency of the
Romans; Librae Solidi Denarii. The Denarius still lives on in many
Arab, Asian and Balkan countries as the Dinar.
After all, what would someone like Hines, living on a remote island
group in the South Pacific know about the United Kingdom and its
culture; a place which I don't believe he has even visited, unlike the
many American personnel who served there during WWII.
Still, we must not take away from Hines'personal career achievements;
such as providing accommodation for married servicemen in the struggle
to preserve democracy and the American way of life and ensuring that
there was a union-made toilet brush in every bathroom.
Indeed, they also serve who count sheets and pillows. A vivid
comparison with our own low-profile Royal Navy, where such arcane
details are handled by a storeman; never by a Commander!
There must be hundreds of USN families who still remember the farewell
advice offered as they took possession of their new home - "Please
don't squeeze the Charmin!"
For Brits: A constantly heard television slogan for a brand of
American toilet paper whose advertising teeters on the edge of
vulgarity. Like Germans, Americans are apparently obsessed with
scatological matters; probably reflecting the fact that people of
German descent comprise the largest ethnic group (37%) in the United
States.
After studying the genealogy of people called Hines who live in
Hawaii, it seems that the bulk were of German and Irish descent,
especially from Londonderry. Any volunteers to break this happy news
to soc.culture.irish...?
So much for Cousin Diana Spencer and Cousin Winston. I am now
researching Cousin Goebbels, Cousin Himmler and Cousin Gerry Adams.
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William Black
Re: English Currency
"The Highlander" <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:04lhg31vpkak892ps2fm2l2t0met4dcq5c@4ax.com...
Well no.
Once again Highlander shows his deep and abiding ignorance of UK military
practice.
All items are held on an 'inventory' and the 'inventory holder' is
responsible for them.
This 'inventory holder' needs a 'warrant' from parliament.
Commissioned officers cannot hold a warrant from parliament, they are
officers of the crown.
Holders of a warrant disperse the items on their inventory only to those
people who are able to demand them, in writing, with good reason.
Now, the clever bit.
Holders of warrants are placed under the control of commissioned officers
and are required to carry out their 'lawful' orders.
So somewhere in the process there'll be an officer.
But I doubt he'll ever see a bog brush...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:04lhg31vpkak892ps2fm2l2t0met4dcq5c@4ax.com...
Indeed, they also serve who count sheets and pillows. A vivid
comparison with our own low-profile Royal Navy, where such arcane
details are handled by a storeman; never by a Commander!
Well no.
Once again Highlander shows his deep and abiding ignorance of UK military
practice.
All items are held on an 'inventory' and the 'inventory holder' is
responsible for them.
This 'inventory holder' needs a 'warrant' from parliament.
Commissioned officers cannot hold a warrant from parliament, they are
officers of the crown.
Holders of a warrant disperse the items on their inventory only to those
people who are able to demand them, in writing, with good reason.
Now, the clever bit.
Holders of warrants are placed under the control of commissioned officers
and are required to carry out their 'lawful' orders.
So somewhere in the process there'll be an officer.
But I doubt he'll ever see a bog brush...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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nightjar
Re: English Currency
"a.spencer3" <a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:fd1Oi.3677$WX3.2090@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
The pound as an accounting measure dates from an Act of 1266, which set the
weight of the silver penny such that one pound Troy of sterling silver would
yield 240 pennies. Latin was the language used by scribes at the time, so
they used the Latin word for pound, Libra, which was abbreviated to L. No
coin of that value was issued until 1489 though.
Comparing the value of money over long periods is very difficult, but
http://measuringworth.com/calculators/ppoweruk/ suggests that £1,000 in 1649
would worth be about £86,200 today. I'm not sure that Samuel Pepys would
have viewed an income of £86,200 pa as being as satisfactory as he did an
income of £1,000 pa.
Colin Bignell
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"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:8n_Ni.320$6q5.1302@eagle.america.net...
Hilarious!
DSH
"Margaret Bauer" <bauerm@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.3322.1191735576.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
A query.
Can anyone please tell me what amount of money the following was in
England at about 1649 please, it states the following....
"Leaving by his Will, 1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an
italics L) to each of his daughters .... "
I have been searching the internet to find what the old currency of the
period might have been, but cannot see anything that satisfies my
searching, but am thinking it has something to do with how we used to
say
LSD for pounds shillings and pence, but I am sure someone can set me
straight.
Why is that 'hilarious' Hines?
Twit.
Margaret - £sd were operating then, I think, and I remember a crude
inflation figure of x150 for that period. So maybe around £150,000?
Personally, that sounds low to me, but maybe a starting point.
The pound as an accounting measure dates from an Act of 1266, which set the
weight of the silver penny such that one pound Troy of sterling silver would
yield 240 pennies. Latin was the language used by scribes at the time, so
they used the Latin word for pound, Libra, which was abbreviated to L. No
coin of that value was issued until 1489 though.
Comparing the value of money over long periods is very difficult, but
http://measuringworth.com/calculators/ppoweruk/ suggests that £1,000 in 1649
would worth be about £86,200 today. I'm not sure that Samuel Pepys would
have viewed an income of £86,200 pa as being as satisfactory as he did an
income of £1,000 pa.
Colin Bignell
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nightjar
Re: English Currency
"The Highlander" <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:04lhg31vpkak892ps2fm2l2t0met4dcq5c@4ax.com...
....
The Romans did not use the pound as a unit of currency. That is a purely
English invention, from the weight of silver needed to produce 240 pennies
in 1266. Opinion is also divided over whether the s in Lsd represented
solidus, Latin for a total, or sestertius, a Roman coin.
Colin Bignell
news:04lhg31vpkak892ps2fm2l2t0met4dcq5c@4ax.com...
....
What Hines probably doesn't know is that £sd stood for pounds,
shillings and pence, an acronym borrowed from the currency of the
Romans; Librae Solidi Denarii. ...
The Romans did not use the pound as a unit of currency. That is a purely
English invention, from the weight of silver needed to produce 240 pennies
in 1266. Opinion is also divided over whether the s in Lsd represented
solidus, Latin for a total, or sestertius, a Roman coin.
Colin Bignell
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D. Spencer Hines
Re: English Currency
That's blindingly obvious to all but the dullest of dolts.
England... about 1649...Will...1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an
italics L) to each of his daughters.
1000 POUNDS.
Therefore it's...
Hilarious!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
England... about 1649...Will...1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an
italics L) to each of his daughters.
1000 POUNDS.
Therefore it's...
Hilarious!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Margaret Bauer" <bauerm@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.3322.1191735576.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
A query.
Can anyone please tell me what amount of money the following was in
England at about 1649 please, it states the following....
"Leaving by his Will, 1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an
italics L) to each of his daughters .... "
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a.spencer3
Re: English Currency
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:1KgOi.335$6q5.1364@eagle.america.net...
So you did learn something from the previous posts.
Twit!
Surreyman
news:1KgOi.335$6q5.1364@eagle.america.net...
That's blindingly obvious to all but the dullest of dolts.
England... about 1649...Will...1000 (alongside the thousand there is then
an
italics L) to each of his daughters.
1000 POUNDS.
Therefore it's...
Hilarious!
So you did learn something from the previous posts.
Twit!
Surreyman
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James Hogg
Re: English Currency
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:44:07 GMT, "a.spencer3"
<a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
You are far too charitable. The word "twit" is too mild to describe
the deep-seated flaws in his personality. I suggest changing the vowel
from I to A. Or replace the first three letters altogether.
When you consider how many idiotic questions Hines himself has asked
virtually every day, requesting answers to questions that most other
people find blindingly obvious, you wonder how he had the gall to be
so rude to the lady from Australia who asked this innocent question.
Luckily for her, there were people here who knew the answer (there is
no sure evidence that Hines did) and were prepared to give it, without
condescension, and without cross-posting.
Hines will no doubt object that what he did was simul-posting, but he
will not get away with that moronic claim. Note that he posted his
first Hilarious reply only to sgm and then, two minutes later (his
normal reaction time), sent exactly the same reply to sgm with the
addition of half a dozen mostly irrelevant groups.
No wonder Philippe Sinclair thought he was a loser even back then at
Timothy Dwight.
James
<a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:1KgOi.335$6q5.1364@eagle.america.net...
That's blindingly obvious to all but the dullest of dolts.
England... about 1649...Will...1000 (alongside the thousand there is then
an
italics L) to each of his daughters.
1000 POUNDS.
Therefore it's...
Hilarious!
So you did learn something from the previous posts.
Twit!
You are far too charitable. The word "twit" is too mild to describe
the deep-seated flaws in his personality. I suggest changing the vowel
from I to A. Or replace the first three letters altogether.
When you consider how many idiotic questions Hines himself has asked
virtually every day, requesting answers to questions that most other
people find blindingly obvious, you wonder how he had the gall to be
so rude to the lady from Australia who asked this innocent question.
Luckily for her, there were people here who knew the answer (there is
no sure evidence that Hines did) and were prepared to give it, without
condescension, and without cross-posting.
Hines will no doubt object that what he did was simul-posting, but he
will not get away with that moronic claim. Note that he posted his
first Hilarious reply only to sgm and then, two minutes later (his
normal reaction time), sent exactly the same reply to sgm with the
addition of half a dozen mostly irrelevant groups.
No wonder Philippe Sinclair thought he was a loser even back then at
Timothy Dwight.
James
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a.spencer3
Re: English Currency
"James Hogg" <jamie.hogg@hogg.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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The English 'twit' describes him perfectly.
I long ago uncomfortably learned the difference between English and USese
'twat'!
Surreyman
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:44:07 GMT, "a.spencer3"
a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:1KgOi.335$6q5.1364@eagle.america.net...
That's blindingly obvious to all but the dullest of dolts.
England... about 1649...Will...1000 (alongside the thousand there is
then
an
italics L) to each of his daughters.
1000 POUNDS.
Therefore it's...
Hilarious!
So you did learn something from the previous posts.
Twit!
You are far too charitable. The word "twit" is too mild to describe
the deep-seated flaws in his personality. I suggest changing the vowel
from I to A. Or replace the first three letters altogether.
When you consider how many idiotic questions Hines himself has asked
virtually every day, requesting answers to questions that most other
people find blindingly obvious, you wonder how he had the gall to be
so rude to the lady from Australia who asked this innocent question.
Luckily for her, there were people here who knew the answer (there is
no sure evidence that Hines did) and were prepared to give it, without
condescension, and without cross-posting.
Hines will no doubt object that what he did was simul-posting, but he
will not get away with that moronic claim. Note that he posted his
first Hilarious reply only to sgm and then, two minutes later (his
normal reaction time), sent exactly the same reply to sgm with the
addition of half a dozen mostly irrelevant groups.
No wonder Philippe Sinclair thought he was a loser even back then at
Timothy Dwight.
James
The English 'twit' describes him perfectly.
I long ago uncomfortably learned the difference between English and USese
'twat'!
Surreyman
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John Briggs
Re: English Currency
"The Highlander" <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:04lhg31vpkak892ps2fm2l2t0met4dcq5c@4ax.com...
...
What Hines probably doesn't know is that £sd stood for pounds,
shillings and pence, an acronym borrowed from the currency of the
Romans; Librae Solidi Denarii. ...
The Romans did not use the pound as a unit of currency. That is a
purely English invention, from the weight of silver needed to produce
240 pennies in 1266. Opinion is also divided over whether the s in
Lsd represented solidus, Latin for a total, or sestertius, a Roman
coin.
Opinion is not divided equally
--
John Briggs
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The Highlander
Re: English Currency
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:13:02 +0100, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname
here>.me.uk> wrote:
was taught in school, when we learned how lucky we were to be part of
the United Kingdom....
We even learned "God save our gracious Queen" What a dreary dirge!
Dhia, thoir d ar n-uachdran gaoil
Sonas is sìneadh saoghl;
Dhia, dìon an Rìgh;
Deònaich dha buaidh sa chòir,
Ard-ghreadhnachas is glòir,
Fad-riaghladh aoibhinn, mòr;
Dhia, dìon an Rìgh!
2 Do mhaitheas caoin, neo-ghann,
Bi dortadh air a cheann,
Gun sgur, gun dìth;
Ceart-reachdan biodh ra linn,
Á sìor thoirt aobhair dhuinn,
Le guth s le cridh bhith seinn
Dhia, dion an Rìgh!
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For Gaelic learners, the song uses "Rìgh - King" rather than Bàn-rìgh
to avoid dealing with an extra syllable.
It's also the same tune used for the Swiss national anthem, which is
sung in all four official languages.
Indeed, apart from the German National Anthem, which uses the same
tune as the English hymn, "Glorious things of thee are spoken, Zion,
City of our Lord", national anthems in western Europe are pretty
dreary on the whole as musical imagination seems to be dead and buried
until you get to Russia!
The various Scottish anthems would stun an elephant with boredom. My
suggestion in the past that the song, "Bugger Off!" by the Dubliners
would make a perfect national anthem for Scotland was received with a
marked lack of rapturous applause. There's no vision left at all...
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For Americans, the Tune to God save the Queen is the same as "My
country, 'tis for Thee" should you be carried away by a momentary pang
of revolutionary regret and feel the need to burst into imperial
nostalgia...
God save our gracious Queen,
long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
happy and glorious,
long to reign over us,
God save the Queen!
Thy choicest gifts in store
on her be pleased to pour,
long may she reign:
may she defend our laws,
and ever give us cause
to sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen!
Give me the Marseillaise any day!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXstOweChc
Roberto Alagna chante La Marseillaise.
Quel plaisir d'entendre l'hymne national de ma France bien-aimée - nos
alliés contre l'Angleterre perfide!
(What a pleasure to hear the national anthem of my beloved France -
our allies against perfidious England!)
here>.me.uk> wrote:
"The Highlander" <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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...
What Hines probably doesn't know is that £sd stood for pounds,
shillings and pence, an acronym borrowed from the currency of the
Romans; Librae Solidi Denarii. ...
The Romans did not use the pound as a unit of currency. That is a purely
English invention, from the weight of silver needed to produce 240 pennies
in 1266. Opinion is also divided over whether the s in Lsd represented
solidus, Latin for a total, or sestertius, a Roman coin.
Colin Bignell
I do wish you English could get your stories straight. That was what I
was taught in school, when we learned how lucky we were to be part of
the United Kingdom....
We even learned "God save our gracious Queen" What a dreary dirge!
Dhia, thoir d ar n-uachdran gaoil
Sonas is sìneadh saoghl;
Dhia, dìon an Rìgh;
Deònaich dha buaidh sa chòir,
Ard-ghreadhnachas is glòir,
Fad-riaghladh aoibhinn, mòr;
Dhia, dìon an Rìgh!
2 Do mhaitheas caoin, neo-ghann,
Bi dortadh air a cheann,
Gun sgur, gun dìth;
Ceart-reachdan biodh ra linn,
Á sìor thoirt aobhair dhuinn,
Le guth s le cridh bhith seinn
Dhia, dion an Rìgh!
----------------------------------------------------------
For Gaelic learners, the song uses "Rìgh - King" rather than Bàn-rìgh
to avoid dealing with an extra syllable.
It's also the same tune used for the Swiss national anthem, which is
sung in all four official languages.
Indeed, apart from the German National Anthem, which uses the same
tune as the English hymn, "Glorious things of thee are spoken, Zion,
City of our Lord", national anthems in western Europe are pretty
dreary on the whole as musical imagination seems to be dead and buried
until you get to Russia!
The various Scottish anthems would stun an elephant with boredom. My
suggestion in the past that the song, "Bugger Off!" by the Dubliners
would make a perfect national anthem for Scotland was received with a
marked lack of rapturous applause. There's no vision left at all...
-----------------------------------------------------------
For Americans, the Tune to God save the Queen is the same as "My
country, 'tis for Thee" should you be carried away by a momentary pang
of revolutionary regret and feel the need to burst into imperial
nostalgia...
God save our gracious Queen,
long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
happy and glorious,
long to reign over us,
God save the Queen!
Thy choicest gifts in store
on her be pleased to pour,
long may she reign:
may she defend our laws,
and ever give us cause
to sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen!
Give me the Marseillaise any day!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXstOweChc
Roberto Alagna chante La Marseillaise.
Quel plaisir d'entendre l'hymne national de ma France bien-aimée - nos
alliés contre l'Angleterre perfide!
(What a pleasure to hear the national anthem of my beloved France -
our allies against perfidious England!)
-
The Highlander
Re: English Currency
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:07:51 +0100, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname
here>.me.uk> wrote:
you had also dealt with Scottish money... Including today's new story
that Scotland has finally managed to get back a £1 billion fund of
Scottish money held by the UK Treasury. As I type, I am also on the
phone, booking a flight to Edinburgh so I can get my hamd into the
till before the loot vanishes into the maw of the Scottish National
Party.
If I may borrow Craig Cockburn's splendid summary...
All Scottish banks have the right to print their own notes. Three
choose to do so: The Bank of Scotland (founded 1695), The Royal Bank
of Scotland (founded 1727) and the Clydesdale Bank (owned by National
Australia Bank). Only the Royal Bank prints pound notes. All the banks
print 5,10,20 and 100 notes. Only the Bank of Scotland and Clydesdale
Bank print 50 pound notes.
Scottish bank notes are not legal tender in Scotland. English bank
notes of denomination less than 5UKP were legal tender in Scotland
under Currency and Bank Notes Act 1954. Now, with the removal of BoE
1UKP notes, only coins constitute legal tender in Scotland. English
bank notes are only legal tender in England, Wales, The Channel
Islands and the Isle of Man. In Scotland, 1 pound coins are legal
tender to any amount, 20ps and 50ps are legal tender up to 10 pounds;
10p and 5ps to 5 pounds and 2p and 1p coins are legal tender to 20p
(separately or in combination). 2 pounds coins and (if you can get
hold of one) 5 pound coins are also legal tender to unlimited amounts,
as are gold coins of the realm at face value (in Scotland at least).
Northern Irish notes are not legal tender anywhere, a situation
similar to Scottish notes. Whether Scottish notes are legal tender or
not does not change alter their inherent value but it dictates their
legal function. Credit cards, cheques and debit cards are not legal
tender either but it doesn't stop them being used as payment. Only a
minuscule percentage of Scottish and British trading is carried out
using legal tender. Just because something is not legal tender
certainly doesn't imply it's illegal to use.
The lack of a true legal tender in Scotland does not cause a problem
for Scots Law which is flexible enough to get round this apparent
legal nonsense, as was demonstrated some time ago when one local
authority tried to refuse a cash payment (in Scottish notes) on the
grounds it wasn't "legal tender", but lost their case when the sheriff
effectively said that they were obliged to accept anything which was
commonly accepted as "money", and that should their insistence on
"legal tender" have been supported, it would have resulted in the bill
being paid entirely in coins, which would have been a nonsense;
stopping short of saying that the council would have been "cutting off
their nose to spite their face", but seeming to hint at it.
For tourists: You can spend Scottish notes in England and they are
exactly equivalent to their English counterpart on a one for one
commission free basis. If changing Sterling abroad, do not accept an
inferior rate for changing Scottish notes than is being offered for
English notes as the two are equivalent. You are very unlikely to
encounter problems spending Scottish money in England, I did it for
many years and was never refused.
The definition of legal tender is something which is acceptable as
payment of a debt. If you pay using legal tender, the other person has
no recourse to chase you for payment. As part of the Skye Road Bridge
tolls protest, people have paid in small coins using the greatest
number of small denomination coins which constituted legal tender.
Using entirely 1ps for instance would not have been legal tender and
could have been refused. (This definition is a simplification, see the
Currency section of "Halsbury's Laws of England" for a full legal
definition.)
Britain came off the Gold Standard more than 60 years ago. The
Scottish banks are allowed to issue a relatively small amount without
backing, and the remainder of their issue has to be backed by Bank of
England notes to the same value. So (if) the BofE goes bust, the
others go with it.
When Scotland became part of the United Kingdom, Scottish money was
worth about a 12th of the value of its English equivalent. This led to
considerable confusion among the Highland population, and the
following explains the odd names used for various denominations in
Gaelic:
Until English and Scots money were set at par, £1 sterling was worth
£12 Scots. It is for this reason that even today an English penny is
called Sgillinn (shilling) in Gaelic, as one English penny was worth
12 Scots pennies, i.e. one Scots shilling. Similarly, an English
halfpenny is called Bonn-a-sia (Piece-of-six) or sixpence. An English
shilling is called Tasdan. A pound note was called Punnd Sasannach
(English pound), but today is usually called simply "Not" - Note.
A farthing (fourth thing) was a quarter penny. a half farthing was
also known as a mite, as seen in the Bible - "the widow's mite".
A halfpenny (say hayp-ny) was obviously worth a half penny.
"d" indicates a penny.
Irish coins always featured animals and birds on the reverse side.
Coin Irish name English name Metal animal/bird
¼d Feoirling Farthing Bronze Woodcock
½d Leath Phingin Halfpenny Bronze Sow and piglets
1d Pingin Penny Bronze Hen and chicks
3d Leath Reul Threepence Nickel Hare
6d Reul Sixpence Nickel Wolfhound
1s Scilling One shilling Silver Bull
2s Flóirín Two shillings Silver Salmon
2s 6d Leath Choróin Two shillings and sixpence Silver Horse
In English money, five shillings was called a Crown, while two
shillings and sixpence was Half a Crown.
A guinea was worth a pound plus a shilling; and in carriage trade
usage, such as dresses for the gentry, and the sale of oil paintings
etc. was still being used when I kissed the UK goodbye, as a way of
getting another shilling out of the buyer. I believe the extra
shilling once represented a commission for the seller.
The slang term for a shilling coin was a "bob", while a sixpence coin
was a "tanner". In my youth, the farthing was still in common use,
with prices seen like 1/6.3/4 One shilling, six pence and three
farthings.
I once got a half-farthing in change - the Biblical widow's mite -
complete with Queen Victoria's image on the obverse. Someone once gave
me a half dozen pennies from the reign of George II of American
Revolution fame (?) huge heavy coins, twice the size of one's finger
and thumb touching each other; apparently nicknamed "cartwheels" in
their day.
I also owned a spade guinea at one point from the time of King James
II; worth a greeat deal of money, given to me by some drunken relative
in a moment of madness. I spent years trying, unsuccessfully, to
relieve my GreatUncle of an Indian gold Mohur - a huge, solid gold
coin - he had been a Judge in India - and got a slap for suggesting
that it must have represented a truly substantial bribe!
I think the above is fairly accurate, E&OE, but stand ready to be
excoriated by our American experts...
Money - a subject of near-religious fascination for most Scots.
here>.me.uk> wrote:
"a.spencer3" <a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:8n_Ni.320$6q5.1302@eagle.america.net...
Hilarious!
DSH
"Margaret Bauer" <bauerm@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.3322.1191735576.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com...
A query.
Can anyone please tell me what amount of money the following was in
England at about 1649 please, it states the following....
"Leaving by his Will, 1000 (alongside the thousand there is then an
italics L) to each of his daughters .... "
I have been searching the internet to find what the old currency of the
period might have been, but cannot see anything that satisfies my
searching, but am thinking it has something to do with how we used to
say
LSD for pounds shillings and pence, but I am sure someone can set me
straight.
Why is that 'hilarious' Hines?
Twit.
Margaret - £sd were operating then, I think, and I remember a crude
inflation figure of x150 for that period. So maybe around £150,000?
Personally, that sounds low to me, but maybe a starting point.
The pound as an accounting measure dates from an Act of 1266, which set the
weight of the silver penny such that one pound Troy of sterling silver would
yield 240 pennies. Latin was the language used by scribes at the time, so
they used the Latin word for pound, Libra, which was abbreviated to L. No
coin of that value was issued until 1489 though.
Comparing the value of money over long periods is very difficult, but
http://measuringworth.com/calculators/ppoweruk/ suggests that £1,000 in 1649
would worth be about £86,200 today. I'm not sure that Samuel Pepys would
have viewed an income of £86,200 pa as being as satisfactory as he did an
income of £1,000 pa.
Colin Bignell
As this is a Scottish group, it would have been much appreciated if
you had also dealt with Scottish money... Including today's new story
that Scotland has finally managed to get back a £1 billion fund of
Scottish money held by the UK Treasury. As I type, I am also on the
phone, booking a flight to Edinburgh so I can get my hamd into the
till before the loot vanishes into the maw of the Scottish National
Party.
If I may borrow Craig Cockburn's splendid summary...
All Scottish banks have the right to print their own notes. Three
choose to do so: The Bank of Scotland (founded 1695), The Royal Bank
of Scotland (founded 1727) and the Clydesdale Bank (owned by National
Australia Bank). Only the Royal Bank prints pound notes. All the banks
print 5,10,20 and 100 notes. Only the Bank of Scotland and Clydesdale
Bank print 50 pound notes.
Scottish bank notes are not legal tender in Scotland. English bank
notes of denomination less than 5UKP were legal tender in Scotland
under Currency and Bank Notes Act 1954. Now, with the removal of BoE
1UKP notes, only coins constitute legal tender in Scotland. English
bank notes are only legal tender in England, Wales, The Channel
Islands and the Isle of Man. In Scotland, 1 pound coins are legal
tender to any amount, 20ps and 50ps are legal tender up to 10 pounds;
10p and 5ps to 5 pounds and 2p and 1p coins are legal tender to 20p
(separately or in combination). 2 pounds coins and (if you can get
hold of one) 5 pound coins are also legal tender to unlimited amounts,
as are gold coins of the realm at face value (in Scotland at least).
Northern Irish notes are not legal tender anywhere, a situation
similar to Scottish notes. Whether Scottish notes are legal tender or
not does not change alter their inherent value but it dictates their
legal function. Credit cards, cheques and debit cards are not legal
tender either but it doesn't stop them being used as payment. Only a
minuscule percentage of Scottish and British trading is carried out
using legal tender. Just because something is not legal tender
certainly doesn't imply it's illegal to use.
The lack of a true legal tender in Scotland does not cause a problem
for Scots Law which is flexible enough to get round this apparent
legal nonsense, as was demonstrated some time ago when one local
authority tried to refuse a cash payment (in Scottish notes) on the
grounds it wasn't "legal tender", but lost their case when the sheriff
effectively said that they were obliged to accept anything which was
commonly accepted as "money", and that should their insistence on
"legal tender" have been supported, it would have resulted in the bill
being paid entirely in coins, which would have been a nonsense;
stopping short of saying that the council would have been "cutting off
their nose to spite their face", but seeming to hint at it.
For tourists: You can spend Scottish notes in England and they are
exactly equivalent to their English counterpart on a one for one
commission free basis. If changing Sterling abroad, do not accept an
inferior rate for changing Scottish notes than is being offered for
English notes as the two are equivalent. You are very unlikely to
encounter problems spending Scottish money in England, I did it for
many years and was never refused.
The definition of legal tender is something which is acceptable as
payment of a debt. If you pay using legal tender, the other person has
no recourse to chase you for payment. As part of the Skye Road Bridge
tolls protest, people have paid in small coins using the greatest
number of small denomination coins which constituted legal tender.
Using entirely 1ps for instance would not have been legal tender and
could have been refused. (This definition is a simplification, see the
Currency section of "Halsbury's Laws of England" for a full legal
definition.)
Britain came off the Gold Standard more than 60 years ago. The
Scottish banks are allowed to issue a relatively small amount without
backing, and the remainder of their issue has to be backed by Bank of
England notes to the same value. So (if) the BofE goes bust, the
others go with it.
When Scotland became part of the United Kingdom, Scottish money was
worth about a 12th of the value of its English equivalent. This led to
considerable confusion among the Highland population, and the
following explains the odd names used for various denominations in
Gaelic:
Until English and Scots money were set at par, £1 sterling was worth
£12 Scots. It is for this reason that even today an English penny is
called Sgillinn (shilling) in Gaelic, as one English penny was worth
12 Scots pennies, i.e. one Scots shilling. Similarly, an English
halfpenny is called Bonn-a-sia (Piece-of-six) or sixpence. An English
shilling is called Tasdan. A pound note was called Punnd Sasannach
(English pound), but today is usually called simply "Not" - Note.
A farthing (fourth thing) was a quarter penny. a half farthing was
also known as a mite, as seen in the Bible - "the widow's mite".
A halfpenny (say hayp-ny) was obviously worth a half penny.
"d" indicates a penny.
Irish coins always featured animals and birds on the reverse side.
Coin Irish name English name Metal animal/bird
¼d Feoirling Farthing Bronze Woodcock
½d Leath Phingin Halfpenny Bronze Sow and piglets
1d Pingin Penny Bronze Hen and chicks
3d Leath Reul Threepence Nickel Hare
6d Reul Sixpence Nickel Wolfhound
1s Scilling One shilling Silver Bull
2s Flóirín Two shillings Silver Salmon
2s 6d Leath Choróin Two shillings and sixpence Silver Horse
In English money, five shillings was called a Crown, while two
shillings and sixpence was Half a Crown.
A guinea was worth a pound plus a shilling; and in carriage trade
usage, such as dresses for the gentry, and the sale of oil paintings
etc. was still being used when I kissed the UK goodbye, as a way of
getting another shilling out of the buyer. I believe the extra
shilling once represented a commission for the seller.
The slang term for a shilling coin was a "bob", while a sixpence coin
was a "tanner". In my youth, the farthing was still in common use,
with prices seen like 1/6.3/4 One shilling, six pence and three
farthings.
I once got a half-farthing in change - the Biblical widow's mite -
complete with Queen Victoria's image on the obverse. Someone once gave
me a half dozen pennies from the reign of George II of American
Revolution fame (?) huge heavy coins, twice the size of one's finger
and thumb touching each other; apparently nicknamed "cartwheels" in
their day.
I also owned a spade guinea at one point from the time of King James
II; worth a greeat deal of money, given to me by some drunken relative
in a moment of madness. I spent years trying, unsuccessfully, to
relieve my GreatUncle of an Indian gold Mohur - a huge, solid gold
coin - he had been a Judge in India - and got a slap for suggesting
that it must have represented a truly substantial bribe!
I think the above is fairly accurate, E&OE, but stand ready to be
excoriated by our American experts...
Money - a subject of near-religious fascination for most Scots.
-
The Highlander
Re: English Currency
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:50:42 GMT, "a.spencer3"
<a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
with the elderly "Dollar wank" ladies of Malaysia, clutching their
ghastly professional rags, if I were you!
<a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"James Hogg" <jamie.hogg@hogg.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:khpjg31595evn7usk4dl9l2is32psh35si@4ax.com...
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:44:07 GMT, "a.spencer3"
a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:1KgOi.335$6q5.1364@eagle.america.net...
That's blindingly obvious to all but the dullest of dolts.
England... about 1649...Will...1000 (alongside the thousand there is
then
an
italics L) to each of his daughters.
1000 POUNDS.
Therefore it's...
Hilarious!
So you did learn something from the previous posts.
Twit!
You are far too charitable. The word "twit" is too mild to describe
the deep-seated flaws in his personality. I suggest changing the vowel
from I to A. Or replace the first three letters altogether.
When you consider how many idiotic questions Hines himself has asked
virtually every day, requesting answers to questions that most other
people find blindingly obvious, you wonder how he had the gall to be
so rude to the lady from Australia who asked this innocent question.
Luckily for her, there were people here who knew the answer (there is
no sure evidence that Hines did) and were prepared to give it, without
condescension, and without cross-posting.
Hines will no doubt object that what he did was simul-posting, but he
will not get away with that moronic claim. Note that he posted his
first Hilarious reply only to sgm and then, two minutes later (his
normal reaction time), sent exactly the same reply to sgm with the
addition of half a dozen mostly irrelevant groups.
No wonder Philippe Sinclair thought he was a loser even back then at
Timothy Dwight.
James
The English 'twit' describes him perfectly.
I long ago uncomfortably learned the difference between English and USese
'twat'!
Surreyman
Uncomfortably? What - were you trying to get a freebie? I would stick
with the elderly "Dollar wank" ladies of Malaysia, clutching their
ghastly professional rags, if I were you!
-
nightjar
Re: English Currency
"The Highlander" <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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....
I've always thought it more logical that we should be the ones aggrieved at
that, given that it was a Scottish King who took the English throne.
Colin Bignell
news:ijgkg3lm3v9tcf6gerfkof1m8gjije3ksc@4ax.com...
....
I do wish you English could get your stories straight. That was what I
was taught in school, when we learned how lucky we were to be part of
the United Kingdom....
I've always thought it more logical that we should be the ones aggrieved at
that, given that it was a Scottish King who took the English throne.
Colin Bignell
-
John Briggs
Re: English Currency
The Highlander wrote:
No, it represents a divergence in value between gold and silver. (The gold
guinea was supposed to be a £1 coin, but its value increased!)
--
John Briggs
A guinea was worth a pound plus a shilling; and in carriage trade
usage, such as dresses for the gentry, and the sale of oil paintings
etc. was still being used when I kissed the UK goodbye, as a way of
getting another shilling out of the buyer. I believe the extra
shilling once represented a commission for the seller.
No, it represents a divergence in value between gold and silver. (The gold
guinea was supposed to be a £1 coin, but its value increased!)
--
John Briggs
-
Cory Bhreckan
Re: English Currency
nightjar <cpb@ wrote:
Do you want it back?
--
"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall
"The Highlander" <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:ijgkg3lm3v9tcf6gerfkof1m8gjije3ksc@4ax.com...
...
I do wish you English could get your stories straight. That was what I
was taught in school, when we learned how lucky we were to be part of
the United Kingdom....
I've always thought it more logical that we should be the ones aggrieved at
that, given that it was a Scottish King who took the English throne.
Do you want it back?
Colin Bignell
--
"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall
-
nightjar
Re: English Currency
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:42uOi.2598$NE2.200@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
At one point, it was worth 30 shillings, but was fixed at 21/- in 1717. Like
the dollar - a British 5/- coin of the early 19th century - the name and
value lived on long after the coin.
Colin Bignell
news:42uOi.2598$NE2.200@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
The Highlander wrote:
A guinea was worth a pound plus a shilling; and in carriage trade
usage, such as dresses for the gentry, and the sale of oil paintings
etc. was still being used when I kissed the UK goodbye, as a way of
getting another shilling out of the buyer. I believe the extra
shilling once represented a commission for the seller.
No, it represents a divergence in value between gold and silver. (The
gold guinea was supposed to be a £1 coin, but its value increased!)
At one point, it was worth 30 shillings, but was fixed at 21/- in 1717. Like
the dollar - a British 5/- coin of the early 19th century - the name and
value lived on long after the coin.
Colin Bignell
-
John Briggs
Re: English Currency
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:42uOi.2598$NE2.200@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
The Highlander wrote:
A guinea was worth a pound plus a shilling; and in carriage trade
usage, such as dresses for the gentry, and the sale of oil paintings
etc. was still being used when I kissed the UK goodbye, as a way of
getting another shilling out of the buyer. I believe the extra
shilling once represented a commission for the seller.
No, it represents a divergence in value between gold and silver. (The
gold guinea was supposed to be a £1 coin, but its value
increased!)
At one point, it was worth 30 shillings, but was fixed at 21/- in
1717. Like the dollar - a British 5/- coin of the early 19th century
- the name and value lived on long after the coin.
Try not to rely too much on the Wikipedia.
With the rise in the price of silver at the end of the 18th century, and the
consequent disappearance of silver coins from circulation, the Bank of
England (acting then as now to regulate the money supply) took Spanish 8
reales (dollar) coins of Charles III from their reserves and overstamped
them with a small head of George III, issuing them as "Bank of England
Dollars". Unfortunately, both kings were most famous for their disordered
wits, giving rise to the expression:
"The Bank of England to make their dollars pass,
Stamped the head of a fool on the neck of an ass."
The value was set at an inconvenient 4s 9d ("Two kings' heads and not worth
a crown!"). Finally, they recoined the dollars as "Bank of England
Dollars", dated 1804 and valued at five shillings.
--
John Briggs
-
Adam Whyte-Settlar
Re: English Currency
"Cory Bhreckan" <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:d6uOi.9847$vS1.5564@trndny08...
What if the Scots thow in the cabinet and an *nglish parliament as a freeby.
news:d6uOi.9847$vS1.5564@trndny08...
nightjar <cpb@ wrote:
"The Highlander" <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:ijgkg3lm3v9tcf6gerfkof1m8gjije3ksc@4ax.com...
...
I do wish you English could get your stories straight. That was what I
was taught in school, when we learned how lucky we were to be part of
the United Kingdom....
I've always thought it more logical that we should be the ones aggrieved
at that, given that it was a Scottish King who took the English throne.
Do you want it back?
What if the Scots thow in the cabinet and an *nglish parliament as a freeby.
-
nightjar
Re: English Currency
"Cory Bhreckan" <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:d6uOi.9847$vS1.5564@trndny08...
I don't think the Germans are planning on giving it up soon.
Colin Bignell
news:d6uOi.9847$vS1.5564@trndny08...
nightjar <cpb@ wrote:
"The Highlander" <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:ijgkg3lm3v9tcf6gerfkof1m8gjije3ksc@4ax.com...
...
I do wish you English could get your stories straight. That was what I
was taught in school, when we learned how lucky we were to be part of
the United Kingdom....
I've always thought it more logical that we should be the ones aggrieved
at that, given that it was a Scottish King who took the English throne.
Do you want it back?
I don't think the Germans are planning on giving it up soon.
Colin Bignell
-
nightjar
Re: English Currency
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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I used to have a web site dedicated to the currency of England (and later
Britain) from 959 to 2000 and I don't think Wikipedia even existed when I
did the research for that. I also remember guineas and dollars in everyday
use. The former was the how the price of unaffordable things was expressed,
while a half crown was invariably referred to as half a dollar.
....
The Bank of England holds that the 4/9d dollar was only ever intended as an
emergency issue and, being an overstruck coin, the value was set by the
weight of gold in it. The 5/- Dollar followed as soon as was practical.
Colin Bignell
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"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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The Highlander wrote:
A guinea was worth a pound plus a shilling; and in carriage trade
usage, such as dresses for the gentry, and the sale of oil paintings
etc. was still being used when I kissed the UK goodbye, as a way of
getting another shilling out of the buyer. I believe the extra
shilling once represented a commission for the seller.
No, it represents a divergence in value between gold and silver. (The
gold guinea was supposed to be a £1 coin, but its value
increased!)
At one point, it was worth 30 shillings, but was fixed at 21/- in
1717. Like the dollar - a British 5/- coin of the early 19th century
- the name and value lived on long after the coin.
Try not to rely too much on the Wikipedia.
I used to have a web site dedicated to the currency of England (and later
Britain) from 959 to 2000 and I don't think Wikipedia even existed when I
did the research for that. I also remember guineas and dollars in everyday
use. The former was the how the price of unaffordable things was expressed,
while a half crown was invariably referred to as half a dollar.
....
The value was set at an inconvenient 4s 9d ("Two kings' heads and not
worth a crown!"). Finally, they recoined the dollars as "Bank of England
Dollars", dated 1804 and valued at five shillings.
The Bank of England holds that the 4/9d dollar was only ever intended as an
emergency issue and, being an overstruck coin, the value was set by the
weight of gold in it. The 5/- Dollar followed as soon as was practical.
Colin Bignell
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: English Currency
What's the current situation with the Pound, the Shilling, the Pence and the
Euro in the U.K. today -- and what can we expect to see in the next few
years?
DSH
"nightjar .me.uk>" <cpb@<insert my surname here> wrote in message
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Euro in the U.K. today -- and what can we expect to see in the next few
years?
DSH
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"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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The Highlander wrote:
A guinea was worth a pound plus a shilling; and in carriage trade
usage, such as dresses for the gentry, and the sale of oil paintings
etc. was still being used when I kissed the UK goodbye, as a way of
getting another shilling out of the buyer. I believe the extra
shilling once represented a commission for the seller.
No, it represents a divergence in value between gold and silver. (The
gold guinea was supposed to be a £1 coin, but its value
increased!)
At one point, it was worth 30 shillings, but was fixed at 21/- in
1717. Like the dollar - a British 5/- coin of the early 19th century
- the name and value lived on long after the coin.
Try not to rely too much on the Wikipedia.
I used to have a web site dedicated to the currency of England (and later
Britain) from 959 to 2000 and I don't think Wikipedia even existed when I
did the research for that. I also remember guineas and dollars in everyday
use. The former was the how the price of unaffordable things was
expressed, while a half crown was invariably referred to as half a dollar.
...
The value was set at an inconvenient 4s 9d ("Two kings' heads and not
worth a crown!"). Finally, they recoined the dollars as "Bank of England
Dollars", dated 1804 and valued at five shillings.
The Bank of England holds that the 4/9d dollar was only ever intended as
an emergency issue and, being an overstruck coin, the value was set by the
weight of gold in it. The 5/- Dollar followed as soon as was practical.
Colin Bignell
-
John Briggs
Re: English Currency
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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The Highlander wrote:
A guinea was worth a pound plus a shilling; and in carriage trade
usage, such as dresses for the gentry, and the sale of oil
paintings etc. was still being used when I kissed the UK goodbye,
as a way of getting another shilling out of the buyer. I believe
the extra shilling once represented a commission for the seller.
No, it represents a divergence in value between gold and silver.
(The gold guinea was supposed to be a £1 coin, but its value
increased!)
At one point, it was worth 30 shillings, but was fixed at 21/- in
1717. Like the dollar - a British 5/- coin of the early 19th century
- the name and value lived on long after the coin.
Try not to rely too much on the Wikipedia.
I used to have a web site dedicated to the currency of England (and
later Britain) from 959 to 2000 and I don't think Wikipedia even
existed when I did the research for that. I also remember guineas and
dollars in everyday use. The former was the how the price of
unaffordable things was expressed, while a half crown was invariably
referred to as half a dollar.
...
The value was set at an inconvenient 4s 9d ("Two kings' heads and not
worth a crown!"). Finally, they recoined the dollars as "Bank of
England Dollars", dated 1804 and valued at five shillings.
The Bank of England holds that the 4/9d dollar was only ever intended
as an emergency issue and, being an overstruck coin, the value was
set by the weight of gold in it. The 5/- Dollar followed as soon as
was practical.
Silver - that's the whole point of the name. "Emergency issue" was the whole
point of the entire exercise - the Bank of England doesn't issue British
coins.
--
John Briggs
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Renia
Re: English Currency
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
The British coinage was decimilised in February 1971 so there hasn't
been pounds, shillings and pence (£sd) since then. Since 1971 the UK has
used pounds and pence (100p to £1). No Euro. Yet.
What's the current situation with the Pound, the Shilling, the Pence and the
Euro in the U.K. today -- and what can we expect to see in the next few
years?
The British coinage was decimilised in February 1971 so there hasn't
been pounds, shillings and pence (£sd) since then. Since 1971 the UK has
used pounds and pence (100p to £1). No Euro. Yet.
-
D. Spencer Hines
Re: English Currency
Thank you, Renia & Aloha.
So the SHILLING is completely dead?
When comes the Euro to the U.K.?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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So the SHILLING is completely dead?
When comes the Euro to the U.K.?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:
What's the current situation with the Pound, the Shilling, the Pence and
the Euro in the U.K. today -- and what can we expect to see in the next
few years?
The British coinage was decimilised in February 1971 so there hasn't been
pounds, shillings and pence (£sd) since then. Since 1971 the UK has used
pounds and pence (100p to £1). No Euro. Yet.
-
The Highlander
Re: English Currency
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:01:37 +0100, "nightjar" <cpb@<insert my surname
here>.me.uk> wrote:
Not to mention a Scottish Prime Minister in 10 Downing Street.
We'll probably start calling you "The colonial cousins" soon!
here>.me.uk> wrote:
"The Highlander" <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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...
I do wish you English could get your stories straight. That was what I
was taught in school, when we learned how lucky we were to be part of
the United Kingdom....
I've always thought it more logical that we should be the ones aggrieved at
that, given that it was a Scottish King who took the English throne.
Colin Bignell
Not to mention a Scottish Prime Minister in 10 Downing Street.
We'll probably start calling you "The colonial cousins" soon!
-
nightjar
Re: English Currency
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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....
Indeed, a senior moment there and an important point in relation to the
weight of metal setting the value, as the gold standard was still a few
years in the future.
Colin Bignell
news:4ozOi.1839$eu2.693@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
....
The Bank of England holds that the 4/9d dollar was only ever intended
as an emergency issue and, being an overstruck coin, the value was
set by the weight of gold in it. The 5/- Dollar followed as soon as
was practical.
Silver - that's the whole point of the name.
Indeed, a senior moment there and an important point in relation to the
weight of metal setting the value, as the gold standard was still a few
years in the future.
Colin Bignell
-
nightjar
Re: English Currency
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:4ozOi.1839$eu2.693@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
....
Indeed, a senior moment there and an important point in relation to the
weight of metal setting the value, as the gold standard was still a few
years in the future.
Colin Bignell
news:4ozOi.1839$eu2.693@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
....
The Bank of England holds that the 4/9d dollar was only ever intended
as an emergency issue and, being an overstruck coin, the value was
set by the weight of gold in it. The 5/- Dollar followed as soon as
was practical.
Silver - that's the whole point of the name.
Indeed, a senior moment there and an important point in relation to the
weight of metal setting the value, as the gold standard was still a few
years in the future.
Colin Bignell
-
nightjar
Re: English Currency
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:4ozOi.1839$eu2.693@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
....
Indeed, a senior moment there and an important point in relation to the
weight of metal setting the value, as the gold standard was still a few
years in the future.
Colin Bignell
news:4ozOi.1839$eu2.693@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
....
The Bank of England holds that the 4/9d dollar was only ever intended
as an emergency issue and, being an overstruck coin, the value was
set by the weight of gold in it. The 5/- Dollar followed as soon as
was practical.
Silver - that's the whole point of the name.
Indeed, a senior moment there and an important point in relation to the
weight of metal setting the value, as the gold standard was still a few
years in the future.
Colin Bignell
-
nightjar
Re: English Currency
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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....
Indeed, a senior moment there and an important point in relation to the
weight of metal setting the value, as the gold standard was still a few
years in the future.
Colin Bignell
news:4ozOi.1839$eu2.693@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
....
The Bank of England holds that the 4/9d dollar was only ever intended
as an emergency issue and, being an overstruck coin, the value was
set by the weight of gold in it. The 5/- Dollar followed as soon as
was practical.
Silver - that's the whole point of the name.
Indeed, a senior moment there and an important point in relation to the
weight of metal setting the value, as the gold standard was still a few
years in the future.
Colin Bignell
-
Renia
Re: English Currency
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
The shilling (God bless it) has been dead for nearly 37 years.
No sign of the Euro in the UK. Yet.
Thank you, Renia & Aloha.
So the SHILLING is completely dead?
When comes the Euro to the U.K.?
DSH
The shilling (God bless it) has been dead for nearly 37 years.
No sign of the Euro in the UK. Yet.
-
James Hogg
Re: English Currency
Hoist with his own petar!
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 01:55:34 +0100, D. "Spencer" Hines
<panther@excelsior.com> wrote:
That's blindingly obvious to all but the dullest of dolts.
Therefore it's...
Hilarious!
Seriously though, Davey, after decimalisation old shilling coins could
continue to circulate, with a value of 5 pence, until smaller 5p coins
were introduced in 1990. So the shilling has been dead for 17 years.
James
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 01:55:34 +0100, D. "Spencer" Hines
<panther@excelsior.com> wrote:
Thank you, Renia & Aloha.
So the SHILLING is completely dead?
That's blindingly obvious to all but the dullest of dolts.
Therefore it's...
Hilarious!
Seriously though, Davey, after decimalisation old shilling coins could
continue to circulate, with a value of 5 pence, until smaller 5p coins
were introduced in 1990. So the shilling has been dead for 17 years.
James
-
a.spencer3
Re: English Currency
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
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I really do now give up on him.
Surreyman
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What's the current situation with the Pound, the Shilling, the Pence and
the
Euro in the U.K. today -- and what can we expect to see in the next few
years?
I really do now give up on him.
Surreyman
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William Black
Re: English Currency
"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message
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It's on all the swing tickets in Aldi, alongside the sterling price.
Euros are accepted by just about all the large shops.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:fefhdj$9am$3@mouse.otenet.gr...
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Thank you, Renia & Aloha.
So the SHILLING is completely dead?
When comes the Euro to the U.K.?
DSH
The shilling (God bless it) has been dead for nearly 37 years.
No sign of the Euro in the UK. Yet.
It's on all the swing tickets in Aldi, alongside the sterling price.
Euros are accepted by just about all the large shops.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
John Briggs
Re: English Currency
Renia wrote:
Except that I've got a 50 euro note in my wallet
--
John Briggs
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Thank you, Renia & Aloha.
So the SHILLING is completely dead?
When comes the Euro to the U.K.?
DSH
The shilling (God bless it) has been dead for nearly 37 years.
No sign of the Euro in the UK. Yet.
Except that I've got a 50 euro note in my wallet
--
John Briggs
-
William Black
Re: English Currency
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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I think everyone who travels to Europe from the UK now and again keeps a few
hanging about the place.
I really don't see the point of not joining the Euro.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
news:AxLOi.67051$yN2.32854@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
Renia wrote:
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Thank you, Renia & Aloha.
So the SHILLING is completely dead?
When comes the Euro to the U.K.?
DSH
The shilling (God bless it) has been dead for nearly 37 years.
No sign of the Euro in the UK. Yet.
Except that I've got a 50 euro note in my wallet
I think everyone who travels to Europe from the UK now and again keeps a few
hanging about the place.
I really don't see the point of not joining the Euro.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
-
nightjar
Re: English Currency
"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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You would if you'd been buying things in Euro over the past couple of years.
My suppliers sell in Euro and in US Dollars and that has allowed me to keep
my prices the same since 2005, while increasing profits.
Colin Bignell
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"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Renia wrote:
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Thank you, Renia & Aloha.
So the SHILLING is completely dead?
When comes the Euro to the U.K.?
DSH
The shilling (God bless it) has been dead for nearly 37 years.
No sign of the Euro in the UK. Yet.
Except that I've got a 50 euro note in my wallet
I think everyone who travels to Europe from the UK now and again keeps a
few hanging about the place.
I really don't see the point of not joining the Euro.
You would if you'd been buying things in Euro over the past couple of years.
My suppliers sell in Euro and in US Dollars and that has allowed me to keep
my prices the same since 2005, while increasing profits.
Colin Bignell
-
Renia
Re: English Currency
John Briggs wrote:
So have I. But then, I live in Greece.
Renia wrote:
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Thank you, Renia & Aloha.
So the SHILLING is completely dead?
When comes the Euro to the U.K.?
DSH
The shilling (God bless it) has been dead for nearly 37 years.
No sign of the Euro in the UK. Yet.
Except that I've got a 50 euro note in my wallet
So have I. But then, I live in Greece.
-
Peter Jason
Re: English Currency
"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in
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Curious. I thought Greece burned down
recently.
message news:feh64n$uss$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
John Briggs wrote:
Renia wrote:
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Thank you, Renia & Aloha.
So the SHILLING is completely dead?
When comes the Euro to the U.K.?
DSH
The shilling (God bless it) has been dead
for nearly 37 years.
No sign of the Euro in the UK. Yet.
Except that I've got a 50 euro note in my
wallet
So have I. But then, I live in Greece.
Curious. I thought Greece burned down
recently.