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OT: Knights Templar

Legg inn av Gjest » 07 okt 2007 04:28:51

This was reported in the London Telegraph in the last day or so: a
researcher at the Vatican, Barbara Frale, has uncovered a 700 year old
document that was mis-filed during the 17th Century showing that Pope
Clement decided that the Templars were not heretics after all. There
is some discussion of their "secret initiation ceremony" & reasons why
they were disbanded (to maintain friendly relations with France).
Not genealogy but interesting. Bronwen

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Re: OT: Knights Templar

Legg inn av Nathaniel Taylor » 07 okt 2007 05:39:46

In article <1191727731.100980.265620@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
lostcooper@yahoo.com wrote:

This was reported in the London Telegraph in the last day or so: a
researcher at the Vatican, Barbara Frale, has uncovered a 700 year old
document that was mis-filed during the 17th Century showing that Pope
Clement decided that the Templars were not heretics after all. There
is some discussion of their "secret initiation ceremony" & reasons why
they were disbanded (to maintain friendly relations with France).
Not genealogy but interesting. Bronwen

Not terribly new news. The document on which the new book is based was
first publicized in 2003 or 2004. You can see the original parchment
(the 'Chinon parchment') at the Archivum Secretum Vaticanum website here:

http://asv.vatican.va/it/visit/doc/zoom03.html

Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net

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Re: OT: Knights Templar

Legg inn av Gjest » 08 okt 2007 01:33:56

On Oct 6, 11:28 pm, lostcoo...@yahoo.com wrote:
This was reported in the London Telegraph in the last day or so: a
researcher at the Vatican, Barbara Frale, has uncovered a 700 year old
document that was mis-filed during the 17th Century showing that Pope
Clement decided that the Templars were not heretics after all. There
is some discussion of their "secret initiation ceremony" & reasons why
they were disbanded (to maintain friendly relations with France).
Not genealogy but interesting. Bronwen

Pope Clement was himself a Frenchman and supposedly a personal friend
of King Philip the Fair of France who instigated the prosecution of
the Templars. Pope Clement also arranged for the Papacy to move from
Rome to Avignon in 1309.

Incidentally, does anyone know to which nation Avignon belonged at
this time? The Wikipedia article 'Clement V' states that it was an
Imperial fief at this time, governed by the King of Sicily of the
French house of Anjou. The Wikipedia article 'Avignon' states that it
became part of the French Crown in on August 25, 1271 but that King
Philip of France gave it to the King of Naples, though he
intermittently continued to assess taxes. Later , the Queen of Naples
sold it to the Papacy, which held it until it was re-united with
France after the French Revolution. In other words, what nation was
Avignon part of between 1271 thru the French Revolution?

Christopher Ingham

Re: OT: Knights Templar

Legg inn av Christopher Ingham » 08 okt 2007 03:40:04

On Oct 7, 8:33 pm, campofonen...@gmail.com wrote:

Incidentally, does anyone know to which nation Avignon belonged at
this time? The Wikipedia article 'Clement V' states that it was an
Imperial fief at this time, governed by the King of Sicily of the
French house of Anjou. The Wikipedia article 'Avignon' states that it
became part of the French Crown in on August 25, 1271 but that King
Philip of France gave it to the King of Naples, though he
intermittently continued to assess taxes. Later , the Queen of Naples
sold it to the Papacy, which held it until it was re-united with
France after the French Revolution. In other words, what nation was
Avignon part of between 1271 thru the French Revolution?

Clement V moved the papal court in 1309 to Avignon, a city held by the
Angevin Robert, king of Naples and count of Provence, a near relative
of the king of France. The city was soon adjoined to the neighboring
territory of the Comtat Venaisson, which had been obtained by the
papacy in 1218. Avignon was purchased by Clement VI from Joan, the
countess of Provence, in 1348, and remained a papal possession until
1791, when it was ceded to France.

Christopher Ingham

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