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Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 24 sep 2007 00:21:53

Dear Todd,

In my database Stephanie (de Longwy) is now plain Stephanie. Rather
surprising not more is known about her, after all she is the mother of Pope
Calixtus II.

You gave only a name for one illegitimate child of Queen Urracca, Fernan
Perez de Lara

ES Volume II Tafel 57, adds a fair amount (just hope it is correct)
Fernan Perez de Lara, Senor de Escarrona, Cueto, Mendivil and Martioda, born
after 1120, died after 1158.
He married Guiomar Alonso (nothing further about her)
they had two children
1.Pedro Fernandez Furtado died in 1184
2.Leonor Fernandez, Senora de Mendivil, Martioda, Escarrona and Cueto
she married Diego Lopez de Mendoza, senor de la casa de Mendoza (children
??)

and a daughter was also given for Queen Urracca and Pedro Gonzalez de Lara
Elvira Perez de Lara, died after 1174
married (1) Garcia Perez de Trava, senor de Trastamara (2) Beltran Conde de
Bisnel, Senor de Carrion (children ??)

With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "taf" <farmerie@interfold.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: Descendants Alfonso VI - improved and extended


Perhaps others will know better on some of the details, but . . . .

On Sep 23, 5:07 am, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
Thanks to Todd Farmerie more information has become available. Thanks to
ES I have been able to add some details.

Alfonso VI 'the Brave', King of Castile 1072-1109, King of Leon 1065-1109
born about 1039, died 30 June 1109 Toledo, buried Sahagun Monastery
married (5) Beatrice, she was of French origin and returned to France.
WHEN DID ALFONSO MARRY HER? Zaida is alive in 1107, Alfonso VI died June
1109, this does not give much room for this marriage.


Yes - they were only married for a few months. I don't know the
precise date off hand, but Reilly's Alfonso VI is available, full
text, online and he should give some indication.

2. Teresa of Castile and Leon, died 1 November 1130, married Henri, Count
of Portugal, born about 1069, died 1 November 1112, son of
Henri de Bourgogne and (Sibylle ?) of Barcelona. She had an affaire
with Fernando Peres de Trava
children
1.Affonso Henriques, born circa 1094, died before 1110
2.Urracca Henriques, born circa 1096, died after 1130, married before
1120 Bermudo Peres de Trava, Conde de Trastamara (children ?)
3.(Henrique) born circa 1106, died before 1110
4. Afonso 'o Conquistador', king of Portugal

I seem to recall Teresa having child or children by Fernando Peres


by 2nd wife Constance de Bourgogne
3. Urracca, Queen of Castile and Leon 1109-1126
born 1082, died 4 March 1126 Saldana
married (1) about 1095 Raymond, Count of Bourgogne, died 26 March
1107 in Leon, son of Guillaume I, Count of Bourgogne and Stephanie
(de Longwy ?) married (2) 30 June 1109 Divorced 1111 Alfonso VI, King
of Aragon and Navarre

Stephanie was definitely not "de Longwy". This was based on an error
by Vajay which he since has retracted. Her origins are unknown. As to
Urraca's husband, he was Alfonso I.

taf


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Re: Fw: Descendants Alfonso VI - improved and extended

Legg inn av Francisco Tavares de Alme » 24 sep 2007 01:33:01

she married Diego Lopez de Mendoza, senor de la casa de Mendoza (children
??)

The father Fernando Perez de Lara had a nickname "el Hurtado" and she
was also (and I think mainly) identified as Leonor Hurtado, señora de
(lady of) Mendovil.
She did married Diego Lopez de Mendoza, 4th. Lord of Mendoza (so far
so good) and they had 5 sons and 3 daughters all married and most with
generation (these 8 and the following descendants are not from a very
sound source).

Best regards,
Francisco



On 24 Set, 00:21, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
Dear Todd,

In my database Stephanie (de Longwy) is now plain Stephanie. Rather
surprising not more is known about her, after all she is the mother of Pope
Calixtus II.

You gave only a name for one illegitimate child of Queen Urracca, Fernan
Perez de Lara

ES Volume II Tafel 57, adds a fair amount (just hope it is correct)
Fernan Perez de Lara, Senor de Escarrona, Cueto, Mendivil and Martioda, born
after 1120, died after 1158.
He married Guiomar Alonso (nothing further about her)
they had two children
1.Pedro Fernandez Furtado died in 1184
2.Leonor Fernandez, Senora de Mendivil, Martioda, Escarrona and Cueto
she married Diego Lopez de Mendoza, senor de la casa de Mendoza (children
??)

and a daughter was also given for Queen Urracca and Pedro Gonzalez de Lara
Elvira Perez de Lara, died after 1174
married (1) Garcia Perez de Trava, senor de Trastamara (2) Beltran Conde de
Bisnel, Senor de Carrion (children ??)

With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "taf" <farme...@interfold.com

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medie...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: Descendants Alfonso VI - improved and extended

Perhaps others will know better on some of the details, but . . . .

On Sep 23, 5:07 am, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
Thanks to Todd Farmerie more information has become available. Thanks to
ES I have been able to add some details.

Alfonso VI 'the Brave', King of Castile 1072-1109, King of Leon 1065-1109
born about 1039, died 30 June 1109 Toledo, buried Sahagun Monastery
married (5) Beatrice, she was of French origin and returned to France.
WHEN DID ALFONSO MARRY HER? Zaida is alive in 1107, Alfonso VI died June
1109, this does not give much room for this marriage.

Yes - they were only married for a few months. I don't know the
precise date off hand, but Reilly's Alfonso VI is available, full
text, online and he should give some indication.

2. Teresa of Castile and Leon, died 1 November 1130, married Henri, Count
of Portugal, born about 1069, died 1 November 1112, son of
Henri de Bourgogne and (Sibylle ?) of Barcelona. She had an affaire
with Fernando Peres de Trava
children
1.Affonso Henriques, born circa 1094, died before 1110
2.Urracca Henriques, born circa 1096, died after 1130, married before
1120 Bermudo Peres de Trava, Conde de Trastamara (children ?)
3.(Henrique) born circa 1106, died before 1110
4. Afonso 'o Conquistador', king of Portugal

I seem to recall Teresa having child or children by Fernando Peres

by 2nd wife Constance de Bourgogne
3. Urracca, Queen of Castile and Leon 1109-1126
born 1082, died 4 March 1126 Saldana
married (1) about 1095 Raymond, Count of Bourgogne, died 26 March
1107 in Leon, son of Guillaume I, Count of Bourgogne and Stephanie
(de Longwy ?) married (2) 30 June 1109 Divorced 1111 Alfonso VI, King
of Aragon and Navarre

Stephanie was definitely not "de Longwy". This was based on an error
by Vajay which he since has retracted. Her origins are unknown. As to
Urraca's husband, he was Alfonso I.

taf

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Francisco Tavares de Alme

Re: Fw: Descendants Alfonso VI - improved and extended

Legg inn av Francisco Tavares de Alme » 24 sep 2007 02:09:30

and a daughter was also given for Queen Urracca and Pedro Gonzalez de Lara
Elvira Perez de Lara, died after 1174
married (1) Garcia Perez de Trava, senor de Trastamara (2) Beltran Conde de
Bisnel, Senor de Carrion (children ??)

I was never interested in that line and the information I can collect
seems poorer so probably less reliable.
Elvira Perez de Lara (ca. 1100-1159) m. Bertrand de Reynel (bef.
1100-1134).
Only one marriage and only one son:
Pedro Beltran b. ca. 1120 m. Maria Soares da Maia. Son:
Telo Perez (ca. 1150-1230) 1st. Lord of Menezes, m. Ximena Ordoñez.
Children:
a) Alfonso Tellez , 2nd. Lord of Menezes, 1st. Lord of Albuquerque,
m.1 Teresa Rodriguez Giron (dau.of Rodrigo Gonzalez Giron, Lord of
Carrion & Maior Nuñez de Lara, m.2 D. Teresa Sanches (dau. of D.
Sancho I, King of Portugal and D. Maria Pais Ribeira "a Ribeirinha").
9 children from both marriages.
b) Suer Tellez de Menezes, m. ca.1125 Maria Gutierrez de Castro (dau.
of Gutierre Roiz de Castro "o Escalavrado" & Elvira Osorio, señora de
Lemos y de Sarria. 2 children both married and with descendants.
The sources for a) are several and very reliable; for b) only one and
not very reliable.

Best regards,
Francisco




On 24 Set, 00:21, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
Dear Todd,

In my database Stephanie (de Longwy) is now plain Stephanie. Rather
surprising not more is known about her, after all she is the mother of Pope
Calixtus II.

You gave only a name for one illegitimate child of Queen Urracca, Fernan
Perez de Lara

ES Volume II Tafel 57, adds a fair amount (just hope it is correct)
Fernan Perez de Lara, Senor de Escarrona, Cueto, Mendivil and Martioda, born
after 1120, died after 1158.
He married Guiomar Alonso (nothing further about her)
they had two children
1.Pedro Fernandez Furtado died in 1184
2.Leonor Fernandez, Senora de Mendivil, Martioda, Escarrona and Cueto
she married Diego Lopez de Mendoza, senor de la casa de Mendoza (children
??)

and a daughter was also given for Queen Urracca and Pedro Gonzalez de Lara
Elvira Perez de Lara, died after 1174
married (1) Garcia Perez de Trava, senor de Trastamara (2) Beltran Conde de
Bisnel, Senor de Carrion (children ??)

With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "taf" <farme...@interfold.com

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medie...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: Descendants Alfonso VI - improved and extended

Perhaps others will know better on some of the details, but . . . .

On Sep 23, 5:07 am, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
Thanks to Todd Farmerie more information has become available. Thanks to
ES I have been able to add some details.

Alfonso VI 'the Brave', King of Castile 1072-1109, King of Leon 1065-1109
born about 1039, died 30 June 1109 Toledo, buried Sahagun Monastery
married (5) Beatrice, she was of French origin and returned to France.
WHEN DID ALFONSO MARRY HER? Zaida is alive in 1107, Alfonso VI died June
1109, this does not give much room for this marriage.

Yes - they were only married for a few months. I don't know the
precise date off hand, but Reilly's Alfonso VI is available, full
text, online and he should give some indication.

2. Teresa of Castile and Leon, died 1 November 1130, married Henri, Count
of Portugal, born about 1069, died 1 November 1112, son of
Henri de Bourgogne and (Sibylle ?) of Barcelona. She had an affaire
with Fernando Peres de Trava
children
1.Affonso Henriques, born circa 1094, died before 1110
2.Urracca Henriques, born circa 1096, died after 1130, married before
1120 Bermudo Peres de Trava, Conde de Trastamara (children ?)
3.(Henrique) born circa 1106, died before 1110
4. Afonso 'o Conquistador', king of Portugal

I seem to recall Teresa having child or children by Fernando Peres

by 2nd wife Constance de Bourgogne
3. Urracca, Queen of Castile and Leon 1109-1126
born 1082, died 4 March 1126 Saldana
married (1) about 1095 Raymond, Count of Bourgogne, died 26 March
1107 in Leon, son of Guillaume I, Count of Bourgogne and Stephanie
(de Longwy ?) married (2) 30 June 1109 Divorced 1111 Alfonso VI, King
of Aragon and Navarre

Stephanie was definitely not "de Longwy". This was based on an error
by Vajay which he since has retracted. Her origins are unknown. As to
Urraca's husband, he was Alfonso I.

taf

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