Creation of an Escheator
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Alan
Creation of an Escheator
Hi all
Can anyone tell me how someone became an Escheator in the 14th
century?
I have looked in Patent, Close and Fine Rolls but they just seem to
show that an Escheator was given a writ to enquire into various
peoples affairs. I have looked at Escheator's returns (E153) at the
Public Record Office but they just give the cases that have been
undertaken by each Escheator. There must have been some documented
procedure which was undertaken for someone to perform such a role.
Any help gratefully received.
Thanks
Alan
Can anyone tell me how someone became an Escheator in the 14th
century?
I have looked in Patent, Close and Fine Rolls but they just seem to
show that an Escheator was given a writ to enquire into various
peoples affairs. I have looked at Escheator's returns (E153) at the
Public Record Office but they just give the cases that have been
undertaken by each Escheator. There must have been some documented
procedure which was undertaken for someone to perform such a role.
Any help gratefully received.
Thanks
Alan
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Tony Pratt
Re: Creation of an Escheator
I'm surprised one of our experts hasn't replied to this one. For what
it's worth I think the Escheators were appointed by the Crown, but I
can't recall why I think so. If so you would think that these
appointments would be in the Patent Rolls? I can't check this as my
local Record Office has just moved into a brand new state of the art
(but strangely without any provision for plugging laptops into a power
supply) centre that doesn't open for business until the end of the
month.....
Bother, now you've given me something else to worry about!
Hope someone who actually knows will reply soon
Tony
On Sep 23, 3:18?pm, Alan <alan.j.nicho...@btinternet.com> wrote:
it's worth I think the Escheators were appointed by the Crown, but I
can't recall why I think so. If so you would think that these
appointments would be in the Patent Rolls? I can't check this as my
local Record Office has just moved into a brand new state of the art
(but strangely without any provision for plugging laptops into a power
supply) centre that doesn't open for business until the end of the
month.....
Bother, now you've given me something else to worry about!
Hope someone who actually knows will reply soon
Tony
On Sep 23, 3:18?pm, Alan <alan.j.nicho...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi all
Can anyone tell me how someone became an Escheator in the 14th
century?
I have looked in Patent, Close and Fine Rolls but they just seem to
show that an Escheator was given a writ to enquire into various
peoples affairs. I have looked at Escheator's returns (E153) at the
Public Record Office but they just give the cases that have been
undertaken by each Escheator. There must have been some documented
procedure which was undertaken for someone to perform such a role.
Any help gratefully received.
Thanks
Alan
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Renia
Re: Creation of an Escheator
Alan wrote:
Lloyds Encyclopaedic Dictionary 1898
Escheator:
An officer appointed in every county to observe the escheats of the
crown in that county, and certify them into the exchequer.
Escheat:
English Law: To revert to the crown or to the lord of the manor in
consequence of a failure of heirs.
Hi all
Can anyone tell me how someone became an Escheator in the 14th
century?
Lloyds Encyclopaedic Dictionary 1898
Escheator:
An officer appointed in every county to observe the escheats of the
crown in that county, and certify them into the exchequer.
Escheat:
English Law: To revert to the crown or to the lord of the manor in
consequence of a failure of heirs.
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Vance Mead
Re: Creation of an Escheator
Alan,
As you probably know, you can search the patent rolls at
http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/search.html
There are several examples of people being made an escheator. As an
agent of the crown, he was appointed and served at the king's
pleasure. I'm no expert in medieval law, but the actual instruments
were, apparently, the letter patent and the writ de intendendo.
Here is one example, from April 19, 1274: "Mandate to John de Reygate
to deliver the office of the escheatry beyond Trent to William de
Boyvyll, king's clerk, appointed thereto during pleasure."
Writ de intendendo for him directed to all persons.
Vance Mead
As you probably know, you can search the patent rolls at
http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/search.html
There are several examples of people being made an escheator. As an
agent of the crown, he was appointed and served at the king's
pleasure. I'm no expert in medieval law, but the actual instruments
were, apparently, the letter patent and the writ de intendendo.
Here is one example, from April 19, 1274: "Mandate to John de Reygate
to deliver the office of the escheatry beyond Trent to William de
Boyvyll, king's clerk, appointed thereto during pleasure."
Writ de intendendo for him directed to all persons.
Vance Mead
Can anyone tell me how someone became an Escheator in the 14th
century?
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Vance Mead
Re: Creation of an Escheator
Here's another example:
Jan. 1268
Commitment during pleasure of the office of the escheatry on this side
Trent to the prior of Wymundham, so that he answer for the issues at
the Exchequer; with mandate to all sheriffs on this side Trent to be
intendant to him and to provide jurors for making inquisitions and
recognitions whenever the excheator requires them to do so.
Write de intendendo for the siad eschator directed to alll persons.
Jan. 1268
Commitment during pleasure of the office of the escheatry on this side
Trent to the prior of Wymundham, so that he answer for the issues at
the Exchequer; with mandate to all sheriffs on this side Trent to be
intendant to him and to provide jurors for making inquisitions and
recognitions whenever the excheator requires them to do so.
Write de intendendo for the siad eschator directed to alll persons.
Can anyone tell me how someone became an Escheator in the 14th
century?
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Tony Pratt
Re: Creation of an Escheator
Thanks Vance,
I knew someone would find it. Bother, should have done the checks
myself but I was buried deep in twelfth century Bluets at the time,
sorry.
I knew someone would find it. Bother, should have done the checks
myself but I was buried deep in twelfth century Bluets at the time,
sorry.
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Alan
Re: Creation of an Escheator
On Oct 13, 5:03 pm, Vance Mead <vance.m...@mead.inet.fi> wrote:
Hi everyone
Thanks for your input into my question.
Vance - where can I look up the "writs de intendento"? Are they a
class at the Public Records Office at Kew?
I have found a lead which may help me identify a particular Escheator
- Roger Lee - who was Escheator of Salop, Hereford and the Marches of
Wales c. 1376. It seems he may be mentioned in King`s Remembrancer:
Memoranda Rolls and Enrolment Books or in Lord Treasurer's
Remembrancer: Memoranda Rolls.6H5 which I think are classes E159 and
E368. He may also be noted in in Harl. Mss. 2163 fo.40b.
I will have a look next time I am in London.
Regards
Alan
Here's another example:
Jan. 1268
Commitment during pleasure of the office of the escheatry on this side
Trent to the prior of Wymundham, so that he answer for the issues at
the Exchequer; with mandate to all sheriffs on this side Trent to be
intendant to him and to provide jurors for making inquisitions and
recognitions whenever the excheator requires them to do so.
Write de intendendo for the siad eschator directed to alll persons.
Can anyone tell me how someone became an Escheatorin the 14th
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Hi everyone
Thanks for your input into my question.
Vance - where can I look up the "writs de intendento"? Are they a
class at the Public Records Office at Kew?
I have found a lead which may help me identify a particular Escheator
- Roger Lee - who was Escheator of Salop, Hereford and the Marches of
Wales c. 1376. It seems he may be mentioned in King`s Remembrancer:
Memoranda Rolls and Enrolment Books or in Lord Treasurer's
Remembrancer: Memoranda Rolls.6H5 which I think are classes E159 and
E368. He may also be noted in in Harl. Mss. 2163 fo.40b.
I will have a look next time I am in London.
Regards
Alan
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Vance Mead
Re: Creation of an Escheator
Alan
I'm not really sure in what class they would be. It said the escheator
had to answer to the Exchequer, so that would be E. I'm not sure who
issued the actual writ. Chancery? Either way it would be at Kew.
Vance
I'm not really sure in what class they would be. It said the escheator
had to answer to the Exchequer, so that would be E. I'm not sure who
issued the actual writ. Chancery? Either way it would be at Kew.
Vance
Vance - where can I look up the "writs de intendento"? Are they a
class at the Public Records Office at Kew?
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Alan
Re: Creation of an Escheator
On Oct 15, 7:05 am, Vance Mead <vance.m...@mead.inet.fi> wrote:
Vance - As you say it seems the Escheator (or some other official)
would be appointed by letter patent and the writ de intendendo was
issued to inform interested parties that the new escheator had been
appointed. I can see several instances of this happening in the Patent
Rolls. It looks like the writ was kept with the appointment in the
Patent Roll. Unfortunately it doesn't look like the one I am after was
enrolled.
Alan
I'm not really sure in what class they would be. It said theescheator
had to answer to the Exchequer, so that would be E. I'm not sure who
issued the actual writ. Chancery? Either way it would be at Kew.
Vance
Vance - where can I look up the "writs de intendento"? Are they a
class at the Public Records Office at Kew?- Hide quoted text -
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Vance - As you say it seems the Escheator (or some other official)
would be appointed by letter patent and the writ de intendendo was
issued to inform interested parties that the new escheator had been
appointed. I can see several instances of this happening in the Patent
Rolls. It looks like the writ was kept with the appointment in the
Patent Roll. Unfortunately it doesn't look like the one I am after was
enrolled.
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Vance Mead
Re: Creation of an Escheator
Alan
Have you tried the Inquisitions post mortem, since that would have
been one of the escheator's main duties? The published, translated
volumes go back at least to Edward I, and there are a dozen or so
volumes for Edward III.
Vance
Have you tried the Inquisitions post mortem, since that would have
been one of the escheator's main duties? The published, translated
volumes go back at least to Edward I, and there are a dozen or so
volumes for Edward III.
Vance
Vance- As you say it seems the Escheator (or some other official)
would be appointed by letter patent and the writ de intendendo was
issued to inform interested parties that the new escheator had been
appointed. I can see several instances of this happening in the Patent
Rolls. It looks like the writ was kept with the appointment in the
Patent Roll. Unfortunately it doesn't look like the one I am after was
enrolled.