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D. Spencer Hines

Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Deprivati

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 22 sep 2007 19:25:45

Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts about
Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and poaching
out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <gans@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic] information.

Ray O'Hara

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Ray O'Hara » 22 sep 2007 22:23:25

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts about
Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching
out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <gans@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic] information.




the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

ebe

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av ebe » 22 sep 2007 23:08:10

On Sep 22, 1:25 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts about
Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and poaching
out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <g...@panix.com> wrote in messagenews:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic] information.



Although, some may say torture does not provide reliable information.
The type of information is needed consist of a small portion, location
and name mainly. It is important to remember that in the TV series
Alias (where the CIA had to approve the TV scripts, and one episode
could not be shown due to security concerns), that waterboarding,
physical attack, and others gave the important information that was
needed. In addition, in other areas, MI5/MI6 has had great results
with sleep deprivation to get someone whether in the hong kong colony
or part of the IRA (the red mailboxes).

"Remember, remember, the fifth of November, the Gun Powder, treason
and plot..."

William Black

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av William Black » 22 sep 2007 23:16:16

"ebe" <miniskirt7a@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190498890.989504.65880@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

It is important to remember that in the TV series
Alias (where the CIA had to approve the TV scripts, and one episode
could not be shown due to security concerns),

That's one hell of a statement.

How does an intelligence agency get to censor a US TV show?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

John Briggs

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av John Briggs » 23 sep 2007 00:13:40

Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts
about Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation
Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <gans@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

John Briggs

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av John Briggs » 23 sep 2007 00:13:41

William Black wrote:
"ebe" <miniskirt7a@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190498890.989504.65880@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

It is important to remember that in the TV series
Alias (where the CIA had to approve the TV scripts, and one episode
could not be shown due to security concerns),

That's one hell of a statement.

How does an intelligence agency get to censor a US TV show?

Especially one not permitted to operate within the USA...
--
John Briggs

Ray O'Hara

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Ray O'Hara » 23 sep 2007 00:57:29

"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts
about Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation
Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <gans@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs


no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie

once. but in the end you will crack.

The Gut

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av The Gut » 23 sep 2007 03:44:24

On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"



mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts
about Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation
Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <g...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?

The Highlander

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av The Highlander » 23 sep 2007 08:29:26

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:44:24 -0700, The Gut <willowbeds@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"



mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts
about Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation
Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <g...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?
You thought right. I am.


The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

Eugene Griessel

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Eugene Griessel » 23 sep 2007 10:25:47

The Highlander <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:23:25 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:


"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts about
Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching
out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <gans@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic] information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

The reality is that none of you know what you're talking about.

Hanns-Joachim Gottlob Scharff (December 16, 1907 – September 10, 1992)
was a German Luftwaffe interrogator during the Second World War. He
has been called the "Master Interrogator" of the Luftwaffe and
possibly all of Nazi Germany; he has also been praised for his
contribution in shaping U.S. interrogation techniques after the war.

Merely an Obergefreiter (the equivalent of a senior lance corporal),
he was charged with interrogating every German-captured American
fighter pilot during the war after his becoming an interrogation
officer in 1943.

He is highly praised for the success of his techniques, especially
considering he never used physical means to obtain the required
information. No evidence exists he even raised his voice in the
presence of a prisoner of war (POW).

Scharff’s interrogation techniques were so effective that he was often
called upon to assist other German interrogators in their questioning
of bomber pilots and aircrews, including those crews and fighter
pilots from countries other than the United States. Additionally,
Scharff was charged with questioning V.I.P.s (Very Important
Prisoners) that funneled through the interrogation center, namely
senior officers and world-famous fighter aces.

After the end of WWII, Scharff was invited by the United States Air
Force to give lectures on his interrogation techniques and first-hand
experiences. The U.S. military later incorporated Scharff’s methods
into its curriculum at its interrogation schools.

After the Abu Ghraib prison scandal was revealed in the early 2000s,
Scharff’s name was again brought to the forefront as investigators
questioned why his methods, which continue to be taught in military
intelligence and interrogation schools, had been ignored in favor of
more physically abusive tactics by U.S. military personnel and U.S.
defense contractors alike to obtain desired information from Iraqi
detainees.

After the war, Scharff immigrated to the United States from South
Africa. From the 1950s until his death in 1992, Scharff redirected his
efforts to artistry, namely mosaics. He eventually became a
world-renowned mosaic artisan, with his handiwork on display in such
locations as the California State Capitol building; Los Angeles City
Hall; several schools, colleges, and universities, including the giant
Outdoor Mosaic Mural fascade of the Dixie State College Fine Arts
Center; Epcot Center; and in the 15-foot arched mosaic walls featuring
the story of Cinderella inside Cinderella Castle at Walt Disney World,
Florida.

And those are the facts.

Stolen without attribution from Wikipedia. Oh dear!

Eugene L Griessel

As you get older, you get less willing to buy the latest version
of reality. - Leonard Cohen

La N

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av La N » 23 sep 2007 11:15:40

"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message
news:46f630ff.1482755@news.uunet.co.za...
The Highlander <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:23:25 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:


"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts
about
Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching
out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <gans@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

The reality is that none of you know what you're talking about.

Hanns-Joachim Gottlob Scharff (December 16, 1907 - September 10, 1992)
was a German Luftwaffe interrogator during the Second World War. He
has been called the "Master Interrogator" of the Luftwaffe and
possibly all of Nazi Germany; he has also been praised for his
contribution in shaping U.S. interrogation techniques after the war.

Merely an Obergefreiter (the equivalent of a senior lance corporal),
he was charged with interrogating every German-captured American
fighter pilot during the war after his becoming an interrogation
officer in 1943.

He is highly praised for the success of his techniques, especially
considering he never used physical means to obtain the required
information. No evidence exists he even raised his voice in the
presence of a prisoner of war (POW).

Scharff's interrogation techniques were so effective that he was often
called upon to assist other German interrogators in their questioning
of bomber pilots and aircrews, including those crews and fighter
pilots from countries other than the United States. Additionally,
Scharff was charged with questioning V.I.P.s (Very Important
Prisoners) that funneled through the interrogation center, namely
senior officers and world-famous fighter aces.

After the end of WWII, Scharff was invited by the United States Air
Force to give lectures on his interrogation techniques and first-hand
experiences. The U.S. military later incorporated Scharff's methods
into its curriculum at its interrogation schools.

After the Abu Ghraib prison scandal was revealed in the early 2000s,
Scharff's name was again brought to the forefront as investigators
questioned why his methods, which continue to be taught in military
intelligence and interrogation schools, had been ignored in favor of
more physically abusive tactics by U.S. military personnel and U.S.
defense contractors alike to obtain desired information from Iraqi
detainees.

After the war, Scharff immigrated to the United States from South
Africa. From the 1950s until his death in 1992, Scharff redirected his
efforts to artistry, namely mosaics. He eventually became a
world-renowned mosaic artisan, with his handiwork on display in such
locations as the California State Capitol building; Los Angeles City
Hall; several schools, colleges, and universities, including the giant
Outdoor Mosaic Mural fascade of the Dixie State College Fine Arts
Center; Epcot Center; and in the 15-foot arched mosaic walls featuring
the story of Cinderella inside Cinderella Castle at Walt Disney World,
Florida.

And those are the facts.

Stolen without attribution from Wikipedia. Oh dear!

Doncha know, Eugene? The Highlander invented and wrote all the entries of
Wikipedia!

- nilita

William Black

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av William Black » 23 sep 2007 13:47:51

"The Gut" <willowbeds@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190515464.851894.247390@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"



mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts
about Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation
Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <g...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?
------------------

Canadian.

He pretends he's Scottish...

It's not a very good pretence...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Hal

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Hal » 23 sep 2007 15:37:54

On Sep 22, 7:13 pm, "John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
William Black wrote:
"ebe" <miniskir...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190498890.989504.65880@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

It is important to remember that in the TV series
Alias (where the CIA had to approve the TV scripts, and one episode
could not be shown due to security concerns),

That's one hell of a statement.

How does an intelligence agency get to censor a US TV show?

Especially one not permitted to operate within the USA...

It is broadcast to foreigners in foreign places, all of whom can be

wire tapped for being on the receiving end of a US communication. The
Agency may have decided that there were just too many foreigners.
Because of Notianal Security we will never know.

Hal

Hal

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Hal » 23 sep 2007 15:51:24

On Sep 23, 8:47 am, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
"The Gut" <willowb...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1190515464.851894.247390@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:



On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts
about Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation
Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <g...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?
------------------

Canadian.

He pretends he's Scottish...

It's not a very good pretence...

It's better than his Canadian though. More passion in the role.


Hal

Ray O'Hara

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Ray O'Hara » 23 sep 2007 16:55:35

"William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fd5na2$61e$1@registered.motzarella.org...
I thought you were Scottish ?
------------------

Canadian.

He pretends he's Scottish...

It's not a very good pretence...

--
William Black


he's not a very good canadian either. most frostbacks are decent people.

Tiglath

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Tiglath » 23 sep 2007 17:07:41

On Sep 23, 3:29 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:44:24 -0700, The Gut <willowb...@gmail.com
wrote:



On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts
about Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation
Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <g...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?

You thought right. I am.


OK, a Scot and a recalcitrant bullshitter, if they want to know.

TMOliver

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av TMOliver » 23 sep 2007 17:45:22

"The Highlander" <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote ...
When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.



You'd be worthy of more respect (as compared to none at all) were you not to
tell the tale in the first person, thus rendering it incredible....

TMO

AUK Registrar

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av AUK Registrar » 23 sep 2007 18:12:54

In <1190515464.851894.247390@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, The Gut
<willowbeds@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

Ray O'Hara wrote:
the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?

He's as Scottish as Moosehead beer.

Dennis

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Dennis » 24 sep 2007 02:30:57

Ray O'Hara wrote:

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote ...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts about
Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching
out of field -- ex cathedra.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

I've never been sure. Could you give some references?

Here's some standard references on this uplifting subject
(interrogation, anyway.) It doesn't make it sound like actual torture is
that effective. The Israelis use it, so I'd guess it is.

CIA, KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation, July 1963
CIA, Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual - 1983

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/

Psychological "Torture Bible"
Manipulation of Human Behavior
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/05/ps ... ortur.html

Dennis

The Highlander

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av The Highlander » 24 sep 2007 04:46:03

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:12:54 -0400, AUK Registrar <cjiii@mxyzptlk.net>
wrote:

In <1190515464.851894.247390@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, The Gut
willowbeds@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

Ray O'Hara wrote:
the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?

He's as Scottish as Moosehead beer.

I was born, raised and educated in Scotland and emigrated to Canada in

1969.

The previous respondents are jealous because they're either *nglish or
*merican and there's no prestige in being either nationality these
days as far as the rest of the world is concerned.!

The Highlander

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av The Highlander » 24 sep 2007 04:52:16

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:51:24 -0700, Hal <SpamThis1@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 23, 8:47 am, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk
wrote:
"The Gut" <willowb...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1190515464.851894.247390@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:



On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts
about Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation
Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <g...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?
------------------

Canadian.

He pretends he's Scottish...

It's not a very good pretence...

It's better than his Canadian though. More passion in the role.

Hal

So Eugene was telling the truth - you ARE a bare-faced liar.


I understand it's your alcoholism that has been your downfall.

Hal

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Hal » 24 sep 2007 21:54:33

On Sep 23, 11:52 pm, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:51:24 -0700, Hal <SpamTh...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 23, 8:47 am, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk
wrote:
"The Gut" <willowb...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1190515464.851894.247390@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the facts
about Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation
Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing and
poaching out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <g...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?
------------------

Canadian.

He pretends he's Scottish...

It's not a very good pretence...

It's better than his Canadian though. More passion in the role.

Hal

So Eugene was telling the truth - you ARE a bare-faced liar.

WTF are you going on about? The only Eugene in this thread pointed out

(correctly) that you *copied* Wiki with no attribution.

Now, would you care to point out which part of my opinion is a lie,
bare-faced or otherwise?

I understand it's your alcoholism that has been your downfall.

I think you need help.

La N

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av La N » 25 sep 2007 00:43:12

"Hal" <SpamThis1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190667273.723872.178920@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 11:52 pm, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:51:24 -0700, Hal <SpamTh...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 23, 8:47 am, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk
wrote:
"The Gut" <willowb...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1190515464.851894.247390@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the
facts
about Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation
Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing
and
poaching out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <g...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting
information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known
then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with
a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?
------------------

Canadian.

He pretends he's Scottish...

It's not a very good pretence...

It's better than his Canadian though. More passion in the role.

Hal

So Eugene was telling the truth - you ARE a bare-faced liar.

WTF are you going on about? The only Eugene in this thread pointed out

(correctly) that you *copied* Wiki with no attribution.

Now, would you care to point out which part of my opinion is a lie,
bare-faced or otherwise?

I understand it's your alcoholism that has been your downfall.

I think you need help.

***********************************

Ya think, Hal?

Just by coincidence, he's just an ambulance ride away from here:

http://www.psychiatry.ubc.ca/Welcome.htm

I could maybe help fast track his admission.

- nilita

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 25 sep 2007 00:53:00

FAR More Important...

Just Make Sure "The Highlander" Doesn't Succeed In Making A Surprise Visit
On You.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kYXJi.10238$nO3.4204@edtnps90...

Just by coincidence, he's just an ambulance ride away from here:

http://www.psychiatry.ubc.ca/Welcome.htm

I could maybe help fast track his admission.

- nilita

The Bensham Cunt

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av The Bensham Cunt » 25 sep 2007 07:30:29

On Sep 25, 9:53 am, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
FAR More Important...

Just Make Sure "The Highlander" Doesn't Succeed In Making A Surprise Visit
On You.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:kYXJi.10238$nO3.4204@edtnps90...

Just by coincidence, he's just an ambulance ride away from here:

http://www.psychiatry.ubc.ca/Welcome.htm

I could maybe help fast track his admission.

- nilita

How the fillern can he when he lives in a wheelchair ?

The Bensham Cunt

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av The Bensham Cunt » 25 sep 2007 07:31:59

On Sep 24, 1:46 pm, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:12:54 -0400, AUK Registrar <cj...@mxyzptlk.net
wrote:



In <1190515464.851894.247...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, The Gut
willowb...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

Ray O'Hara wrote:
the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?

He's as Scottish as Moosehead beer.

I was born, raised and educated in Scotland and emigrated to Canada in
1969.

The previous respondents are jealous because they're either *nglish or
*merican and there's no prestige in being either nationality these
days as far as the rest of the world is concerned.!

So the bastard has lived outside of Scotland for close to 40 years,
what a fucking fraud he is.

redc1c4

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av redc1c4 » 25 sep 2007 08:12:27

The Highlander wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:12:54 -0400, AUK Registrar <cjiii@mxyzptlk.net
wrote:

In <1190515464.851894.247390@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, The Gut
willowbeds@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

Ray O'Hara wrote:
the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?

He's as Scottish as Moosehead beer.

I was born, raised and educated in Scotland and emigrated to Canada in
1969.

The previous respondents are jealous because they're either *nglish or
*merican and there's no prestige in being either nationality these
days as far as the rest of the world is concerned.!

yer neither fish, nor fowl nor good red meat......however, you'd be an
excellent wanker, except for the unfortunate side effect of your total
circumcision. sucks to be you, don't it? (or is that "licks to be you"? %-)

redc1c4,
who's a proud native son of the PRC.
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

La N

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av La N » 25 sep 2007 14:20:33

"redc1c4" <redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote in message
news:46F8B4DB.1419A208@drunkenbastards.org.ies...
The Highlander wrote:

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:12:54 -0400, AUK Registrar <cjiii@mxyzptlk.net
wrote:

In <1190515464.851894.247390@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, The Gut
willowbeds@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

Ray O'Hara wrote:
the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with
a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?

He's as Scottish as Moosehead beer.

I was born, raised and educated in Scotland and emigrated to Canada in
1969.

The previous respondents are jealous because they're either *nglish or
*merican and there's no prestige in being either nationality these
days as far as the rest of the world is concerned.!

yer neither fish, nor fowl nor good red meat......however, you'd be an
excellent wanker, except for the unfortunate side effect of your total
circumcision. sucks to be you, don't it? (or is that "licks to be you"?
%-)

redc1c4,
who's a proud native son of the PRC.
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

Is it no wonder that Highlander attracts the attention he does to scs?

- nilita

The Highlander

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av The Highlander » 25 sep 2007 15:45:26

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:12:27 -0700, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:

The Highlander wrote:

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:12:54 -0400, AUK Registrar <cjiii@mxyzptlk.net
wrote:

In <1190515464.851894.247390@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, The Gut
willowbeds@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

Ray O'Hara wrote:
the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?

He's as Scottish as Moosehead beer.

I was born, raised and educated in Scotland and emigrated to Canada in
1969.

The previous respondents are jealous because they're either *nglish or
*merican and there's no prestige in being either nationality these
days as far as the rest of the world is concerned.!

yer neither fish, nor fowl nor good red meat......however, you'd be an
excellent wanker, except for the unfortunate side effect of your total
circumcision. sucks to be you, don't it? (or is that "licks to be you"? %-)

redc1c4,
who's a proud native son of the PRC.

I don't believe you. Neih gwaii lo si fat gwaii!

Also, I think this is a forgery.

Ken Wood

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Ken Wood » 26 sep 2007 01:53:39

On Sep 23, 9:46 pm, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:12:54 -0400, AUK Registrar <cj...@mxyzptlk.net
wrote:





In <1190515464.851894.247...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, The Gut
willowb...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?

He's as Scottish as Moosehead beer.

I was born, raised and educated in Scotland and emigrated to Canada in
1969.

The previous respondents are jealous because they're either *nglish or
*merican and there's no prestige in being either nationality these
days as far as the rest of the world is concerned.!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's why both countries are faced with throngs of illegal
immigrants. People risk their lives trying to get into both countries.

Peter Jason

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Peter Jason » 26 sep 2007 04:25:17

"Ken Wood" <ken_wood56@yahoo.com> wrote in
message
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On Sep 23, 9:46 pm, The Highlander
<mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:12:54 -0400, AUK
Registrar <cj...@mxyzptlk.net
wrote:





In
1190515464.851894.247...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
The Gut
willowb...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander
mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400,
"Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs"
john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in
message
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
the dirty little secret about
torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that
doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows
it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of
an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off
one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a
question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad
(the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah -
There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had
been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and
shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?

He's as Scottish as Moosehead beer.

I was born, raised and educated in Scotland
and emigrated to Canada in
1969.

The previous respondents are jealous
because they're either *nglish or
*merican and there's no prestige in being
either nationality these
days as far as the rest of the world is
concerned.!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's why both countries are faced with
throngs of illegal
immigrants. People risk their lives trying to
get into both countries.

A curious move; I believe it's even colder in
Canada than in Scotland where a freezing
sleet-laden blast from the North Pole mows
down anything taller than a Glasgow-cemetry
tombstone. Surely there is no place on Earth
more typical of the Martian surface, russet
brown, treeless and covered with licheneous
rubble. It is *so* cold in Canada that the
people are forced to live underground in
air-conditioned malls (except in Vancouver,
which benefits from the ameliorating
sea-coast zephers). I wouldn't live in
Scotland for all the virgins in the Muslim
paradise! My teeth start to chatter any time
the temp drops to 12degC. No wonder the
Scots are so dour!

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 26 sep 2007 04:29:46

<G>

DSH

"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
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A curious move; I believe it's even colder in Canada than in Scotland
where a freezing sleet-laden blast from the North Pole mows down anything
taller than a Glasgow-cemetry tombstone. Surely there is no place on
Earth more typical of the Martian surface, russet brown, treeless and
covered with licheneous rubble. It is *so* cold in Canada that the
people are forced to live underground in air-conditioned malls (except in
Vancouver, which benefits from the ameliorating sea-coast zephers). I
wouldn't live in Scotland for all the virgins in the Muslim paradise! My
teeth start to chatter any time the temp drops to 12degC. No wonder the
Scots are so dour!

Peter Jason

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Peter Jason » 26 sep 2007 04:42:25

I confess that the little Scottish nymph who
works behind the counter in the local
supermarket (which is *above* ground here)
has the most delightful red hair. So being a
Scot is not *all* bad!


"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com>
wrote in message
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G

DSH

"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in
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A curious move; I believe it's even colder
in Canada than in Scotland where a
freezing sleet-laden blast from the North
Pole mows down anything taller than a
Glasgow-cemetry tombstone. Surely there
is no place on Earth more typical of the
Martian surface, russet brown, treeless
and covered with licheneous rubble. It
is *so* cold in Canada that the people are
forced to live underground in
air-conditioned malls (except in
Vancouver, which benefits from the
ameliorating sea-coast zephers). I
wouldn't live in Scotland for all the
virgins in the Muslim paradise! My teeth
start to chatter any time the temp drops
to 12degC. No wonder the Scots are so
dour!


D. Spencer Hines

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 26 sep 2007 05:04:16

Red Hair Is GOOD...

Winston Churchill Had Red Hair.

DSH

"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
news:fdckgk$2g6$1@otis.netspace.net.au...

I confess that the little Scottish nymph who works behind the counter in
the local supermarket (which is *above* ground here) has the most
delightful red hair. So being a Scot is not *all* bad!

Ken Wood

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Ken Wood » 28 sep 2007 03:00:12

On Sep 25, 9:25 pm, "Peter Jason" <p...@jostle.com> wrote:
"Ken Wood" <ken_woo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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On Sep 23, 9:46 pm, The Highlander





mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:12:54 -0400, AUK
Registrar <cj...@mxyzptlk.net
wrote:

In
1190515464.851894.247...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
The Gut
willowb...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander
mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400,
"Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs"
john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in
message
news:EkhJi.4066$yN2.357@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...

Ray O'Hara wrote:
the dirty little secret about
torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that
doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows
it. you might get away with a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of
an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off
one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a
question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad
(the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah -
There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had
been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and
shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?

He's as Scottish as Moosehead beer.

I was born, raised and educated in Scotland
and emigrated to Canada in
1969.

The previous respondents are jealous
because they're either *nglish or
*merican and there's no prestige in being
either nationality these
days as far as the rest of the world is
concerned.!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's why both countries are faced with
throngs of illegal
immigrants. People risk their lives trying to
get into both countries.

A curious move; I believe it's even colder in
Canada than in Scotland where a freezing
sleet-laden blast from the North Pole mows
down anything taller than a Glasgow-cemetry
tombstone. Surely there is no place on Earth
more typical of the Martian surface, russet
brown, treeless and covered with licheneous
rubble. It is *so* cold in Canada that the
people are forced to live underground in
air-conditioned malls

In Calgary, they emerge for stampede which is an awesome event which
reminds one why it is good to be alive. During stampede, you don't
have to be a sucide bomber to sample quasi-virgins. In Scotland, all
they can do is round up salmon.

Robert Peffers

Re: Efficacy Of Modern Torture, Motivational & Sensory Depri

Legg inn av Robert Peffers » 28 sep 2007 22:01:51

"Hal" <SpamThis1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 23, 11:52 pm, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:51:24 -0700, Hal <SpamTh...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 23, 8:47 am, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk
wrote:
"The Gut" <willowb...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Sep 23, 11:45 am, The Highlander <mich...@shaw.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:57:29 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"

mary.palmu...@rcn.com> wrote:

"John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
"D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:f9dJi.263$H_5.1520@eagle.america.net...
Nonsense.

Gans obviously hasn't done his homework and doesn't know the
facts
about Modern Torture, Motivational and Sensory Deprivation
Techniques.

Just another little old college professor pontificating, posing
and
poaching out of field -- ex cathedra.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Paul J Gans" <g...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fd3lcd$3a5$1@reader1.panix.com...

Those later tortures were often aimed at extracting
information
from the person being tortured. Of course this presents an
interesting psychological situation since it was well known
then,
as now, that torture does not often provide relable [sic]
information.

the dirty little secret about torture is that it works.

Actually, it doesn't - but that doesn't seem to stop the Americans
persisting with it.
--
John Briggs

no, it does work. and every army knows it. you might get away with
a lie
once. but in the end you will crack.

That simply isn't true. I'm thinking of an old Arab whose
interrogator, a French captain, cut off one of his fingers with a
knife every time he was asked a question and didn't answer.

Instead the old man repeated the Shehad (the witnessing) - "La illaha
il Allah, we Muhammed hu Rasool Allah - There is no God but God and
Mohammed is His prophet..."

When all his fingers and thumbs had been amputated, the Captain lost
his temper, pulled out a pistol and shot him. The old Arab won my
eternal respect.

The Highlander
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

I thought you were Scottish ?
------------------

Canadian.

He pretends he's Scottish...

It's not a very good pretence...

It's better than his Canadian though. More passion in the role.

Hal

So Eugene was telling the truth - you ARE a bare-faced liar.

WTF are you going on about? The only Eugene in this thread pointed out

(correctly) that you *copied* Wiki with no attribution.

Now, would you care to point out which part of my opinion is a lie,
bare-faced or otherwise?

I understand it's your alcoholism that has been your downfall.

I think you need help.



Don't be silly - he manages quite well on his own.

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