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John Brandon

Re: Sir Thomas Temple's cousins Adolphe Andrews and Katherin

Legg inn av John Brandon » 19 sep 2007 01:12:41

http://books.google.com/books?id=F5-w39 ... JBjuxI5t-4

"Longfield" might actually be Longueville ...?


WJhonson

Re: Sir Thomas Temple's cousins Adolphe Andrews and Katherin

Legg inn av WJhonson » 19 sep 2007 23:31:40

<<In a message dated 09/18/07 15:10:15 Pacific Standard Time, starbuck95@hotmail.com writes:
http://books.google.com/books?id=NnIFAA ... e#PPA92,M1 >>

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Thanks John. This pedigree makes the significant contribution to both my and also to Leo's databases, that that Sir William Temple known to be the son of Anthony must be the same Sir William Temple d 1627 who married Martha Harrison.

This should add many connections, new to me for their descendents.

Will Johnson

Gjest

Re: Sir Thomas Temple's cousins Adolphe Andrews and Katherin

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 sep 2007 07:12:44

On 19 Sep., 23:31, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 09/18/07 15:10:15 Pacific Standard Time, starbuc...@hotmail.com writes:http://books.google.com/books?id=NnIFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA142&dq=chewte#PPA9...

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Thanks John. This pedigree makes the significant contribution to both my and also to Leo's databases, that that Sir William Temple known to be the son of Anthony must be the same Sir William Temple d 1627 who married Martha Harrison.

This should add many connections, new to me for their descendents.

Will Johnson

Gjest

Re: Sir Thomas Temple's cousins Adolphe Andrews and Katherin

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 sep 2007 07:22:31

On 19 Sep., 23:31, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
This pedigree makes the significant contribution to both my and also to Leo's databases, that that Sir William Temple
known to be the son of Anthony must be the same Sir William Temple d 1627 who married Martha Harrison.

This should add many connections, new to me for their descendents.

In which case, Will, you might be interested to know something further
about Edolphe (sic) Andrewes. He was born about 1594, and married
about 1617 to the daughter of Auditor Thompson. He was the younger
brother of Sir William Andrewes of Lathbury (b c 1590), High Sheriff
of Bucks in 1630, who married Anne, daughter of Sir Thomas Temple of
Stowe; William and Anne had five children, including a daughter
Elizabeth "married secondly Colonel Temple".

A brief Ahnentafel for Edolphe:

1. Edolphe Andrewes
2. Sir William Andrewes of Lathbury (1555-1625)
3. Elizabeth Wilcocks
4. John Andrewes of Lathbury
5. Anne Brown
6. William Wilcocks of New Romney, died 1574
7. Elizabeth Edolphe, died 1597

MAR


John Brandon

Re: Sir Thomas Temple's cousins Adolphe Andrews and Katherin

Legg inn av John Brandon » 20 sep 2007 15:12:02

Thanks John. This pedigree makes the significant contribution to both my and also to Leo's databases, that that Sir William Temple known to be the son of Anthony must be the same Sir William Temple d 1627 who married Martha Harrison.

This should add many connections, new to me for their descendents.

Will Johnson

Don't really understand what you're talking about, since my posting
concerned Col./ Sir Thomas Temple of New England, son of Sir John and
Dorothy (Lee) Temple of the Temple family of Stowe.

Sir William Temple, Anthony Temple, and Martha (Harrison) Temple were
members of the Irish, not the Stowe, Temples (if I'm remembering
correctly).


Oh, are you talking about the chart on the next page showing Anthony
Temple as ancestor of Lord Palmerston? I think it's not at all
certain how (or even if) this Anthony fits into the Stowe family.

The HOP series has a short (very short) bio. of an Anthony T., Member
of Parliament for Newcastle (or someplace in the north) in the 1570s
or 80s.

John Brandon

Re: Sir Thomas Temple's cousins Adolphe Andrews and Katherin

Legg inn av John Brandon » 20 sep 2007 15:27:44

This Sir William Andrews was the one who quarreled with his brother-in-
law, Rev. Dr. Thomas Temple of Bourton-on-the-Water, as shown in the
Court of Chivalry case "Temple v. Andrews." Dr. Thomas Temple is
given a thumbnail bio. in Brian P. Levack's, _The Civil Lawyers in
England, 1603-1641: A Political Study_ (1973).

http://www.sd-editions.com/AnaServer?ch ... +start.anv


Hester, wife of Sir Thomas Temple, complained that Andrews, who had
married her daughter, had quarrelled with her third son, Thomas
Temple, the minister of Bourton-on-the-Water, Gloucestershire, and now
threatened to kill him. Her petition is undated, but apparently refers
to events in 1634 which culminated in Andrews making a murderous
assault on Temple in Lincoln's Inn Fields, for which he was summoned
before the privy council. Here Hester requested that Arundel summon
her son, Sir William and one Bedells, a hired swordsman, so that their
differences could be settled and the danger of violence averted. In a
counter petition Andrews insisted that Thomas Temple had falsely
accused him of inciting a challenge and asked for time to prepare his
defence. No further proceedings survive in this case, but it became
merged with the long running suit of Temple v Ayleworth [see cause
638].

* Documents
*
* Initial proceedings
o Petition: EM331 (no date)
o Defendant's petition: EM332 (no date)
*
* Notes

Initial proceedings
EM331, Petition

'Sir William Andrewes, knight, the younger, married one of the
daughters of your petitioner, and cominge at Christmas was a
twelvemonth to the house of your petitioner's said husband, there
happened then a difference between Sir William and your petitioner's
third sonne Tho. Temple, which notwithstanding her care to reconcile
them, and to prevent future mischiefe, Sir William hath attempted
often to take away the life of her sonne, as by an affidavit hereunto
annexed may appeare.

Since which occasion of difference Sir William hath intertayned one
Bedells, who hath already had his hand in blood, and she verily
thinketh is intertayned to do further mischiefe, having been used by
Sir William in such bloody passages as by him hath bin attempted
against her sonne; and lately told her sonne's wife that he came from
Sir William Andrewes who would kill her husband if he tooke him at a
wall.

Now forasmuch as there is great feare of some ensuing danger, Sir
William lately using speeches, that he valued not his wyfe, his life,
his children or meanes, so much as his vallor.

And though your peticoner takes notice of your honor's occasions at
this time to be great, yet that so great danger as may be feared might
be prevented.'

Petitioned that her son, Sir William Andrewes and Bedells be brought
before Arundel so the difference could be settled.

No date.

No signatures.
EM332, Defendant's petition

'Thomas Temple, gent., hath by many essaies confronted your
petitioner, and that in soe inhumane and barbarous manner as noe
generous spirit may without aspertion to honor beare or brooke such
contumelie.

And soe not satisfied with retort of baseness thereby to indignifie
your petitioner's reputation, after many malignant objectations
uttered, mixt with many flashes and exchang'd with bitter
provocations, Thomas to win the prioritie of complaint propounds
matter of challenge and the same under protection (de facto) doth
pursue before your honor.

And among other his exorbitant courses and captious questions, your
honor may be pleased to observe how irregularly Thomas hath promoted
against him the person, time and place considered, vizt. that your
petitioner should obbreyd him near your noble presence, att the
instant of your high session, and before the frontispiece of your
condign seat of marshall justice, noe eye seeing, nor eare hearing any
unseemely motion acted or any uncivill speeches by words or
whisperings.

Beseeching the premises considered:

And in asmuch as your petitioner's most pregnant prooffes will not be
prepared against tomorrow, his witnesses being many miles distant from
London and soe impossible to produce them in so short a space, that
your honor will vouchsafe to give your petitioner 14 dayes to bring to
bee examined before your honor the same witnesses, And that by virtue
of your honorable warrant on this behalf to be awarded, the rather for
that your petitioner is a tacit patient subjected to manifold
sufferings, soe much honouring your fortitude, prudence and justice
your petitioner shall pray for your honor's long life and perpetuytie
of happiness.'

No date.

No signatures.


NOTES

Sir Thomas Temple of Stowe, co. Buckingham, and Burton Dassett, co.
Warwick, knt and bart, married Hester, daughter of Miles Sandys of
Latimer, co. Buckingham, esq, clerk of the crown. Their third son,
Thomas Temple, was a royalist officer in the civil wars and created a
baronet of Nova Scotia in 1662.

Sir William Andrews of Lathbury co. Buckingham (b.c.1590) was the son
of another Sir William Andrews and Elizabeth, daughter of William
Wilcocks of Old Romney, co. Kent. Sir William was knighted in 1618 and
he married Anne, daughter of Sir Thomas Temple of Stowe, co.
Buckingham.

W. H. Rylands (ed.), The Visitation of the County of Buckingham made
in 1634 (Publications of the Harleian Society, 53, 1909), pp. 3-4,
115; P. R. Newman, Royalist officers in England and Wales, 1642-1660:
A biographical dictionary (London, 1981), p. 368.

Temple's clash with Sir William Andrewes of Lathbury, co. Buckingham,
who had married his sister Ann and had quarreled with Temple over an
unspecified matter which had been settled by the Earl Marshal in
1621-2, was outlined in Temple's petition to the privy council on 21
November 1634. Andrewes, who had been trying to provoke him into
fighting a duel for years, chased him into the fields near Lincoln's
Inn and assaulted him with his stiletto. He would have killed him had
not some bystanders intervened. Sir William was bound over by a
justice to keep the peace. The matter was dealt with in council,
although Windebanke's note did not say how.

CSP Dom. 1634-5, pp. 298, 378.

Sir William Andrewes was appointed high sheriff of co. Buckingham in
November 1629.

J. Broadway, R. Cust and S. K. Roberts (eds.), A Calendar of the
Docquets of Lord Keeper Coventry, 1625-40 (List and Index Society,
special series, 35, 2004), part 2, p. 362.

John Brandon

Re: Sir Thomas Temple's cousins Adolphe Andrews and Katherin

Legg inn av John Brandon » 20 sep 2007 17:43:29

As well as Temple of Frankton connections through the Tomlins family,
namely:

1) schoolmaster Thomas Willis of Lynn and wife Mary (nee Tomlins)
2) their daughter Elizabeth and her husband Rev. John Knowles
3) Edward and Timothy Tomlins of Lynn.

Thomas Pury was also apparently a connection of these Tomlinses and of
Mrs. Anne (Tomlins) Temple, wife of John Temple of Frankton,
Warwickshire, a brother (or uncle?) of Thomas Temple who married
Hester Sandys.

http://books.google.com/books?id=ST0SAA ... ury&pgis=1

I have always wanted to know if George E. McCracken mentioned anything
about the Tomlins-Temple connection in his TAG article on the
Tomlinses.

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