Leo here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 6&tree=LEO
has Robert Semphill, 3rd Lord Semphill
Some maroon, had loaded into my database a whole new personal line for me calling these people "Sample" and so I hadn't previously noticed their royal descent.
Ok Robert Semphill is 6 steps from the Scottish throne, being a descendent of Robert III, King of Scotland 1390-1406.
I shall not yet tip my hand to show how I descend in this line, but I do wish to bring to the attention of all and sundry this work
http://books.google.com/books?id=BvEHAA ... John+Blair
"History of the County of Ayr with a Genealogical Account of the Families of Ayrshire", by James Paterson. John Dick, Ayr. T. G. Stevenson, Historical and Antiquarian Bookseller. (1847)
Vol I, Page 414 "Parish of Dalby"
Which gives a line, not yet in Leo's database, off Robert's daughter Grizzell
Which, in addition to what I have (not yet proven) would give a line to New Kent County, Virginia
But at least the line should be represented, based on this source.
Will Johnson
A new line of living progeny off Robert, 3rd Lord Semphill
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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Nathaniel Taylor
Re: A new line of living progeny off Robert, 3rd Lord Semphi
In article <mailman.2480.1190152532.7287.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>,
WJhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote:
Would this be an entirely new colonial gateway with medieval descents,
or simply additional lines beyond what is currently in print for the
immigrant?
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
WJhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote:
Leo here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.ph ... 6&tree=LEO
has Robert Semphill, 3rd Lord Semphill
Some maroon, had loaded into my database a whole new personal line for me
calling these people "Sample" and so I hadn't previously noticed their royal
descent.
Ok Robert Semphill is 6 steps from the Scottish throne, being a descendent of
Robert III, King of Scotland 1390-1406.
I shall not yet tip my hand to show how I descend in this line, but I do wish
to bring to the attention of all and sundry this work
http://books.google.com/books?id=BvEHAA ... ple+John+B
lair
"History of the County of Ayr with a Genealogical Account of the Families of
Ayrshire", by James Paterson. John Dick, Ayr. T. G. Stevenson, Historical and
Antiquarian Bookseller. (1847)
Vol I, Page 414 "Parish of Dalby"
Which gives a line, not yet in Leo's database, off Robert's daughter Grizzell
Which, in addition to what I have (not yet proven) would give a line to New
Kent County, Virginia
Would this be an entirely new colonial gateway with medieval descents,
or simply additional lines beyond what is currently in print for the
immigrant?
Nat Taylor
http://www.nltaylor.net
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John P. Ravilious
Re: A new line of living progeny off Robert, 3rd Lord Semphi
Dear Will,
Thanks for that last post. The text in Scots Peerage under
Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald (III:339) says that Grizel was daughter of
Robert, Lord Sempill, but there is no language supporting this from
any documentation I can see. The contract language most likely
supports the bulk of the statement, but no such contract would go
beyond possibly naming the immediate parentage, specifically the
father: the naming of Grizel as dau. of Robert, Lord Sempill (Semple
in the text) is a nice flourish by the author but there is other than
the 'standing' placement I see no evidence for it.
That being said, I think you have the Robert, Lord Sempill
descent in hand despite this. Specifically:
Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill = [possibly Carlile
fl. ca 1505-1575 I maternity not certain]
I_____________
I
Robert Montgomery = bef 24 May 1567 Dorothea Sempill
laird of Skelmorlie I [~evidently well before]
I_______________________
I
William Cochrane = 'bef 1579' Elizabeth Montgomery
d. 1603 I d. 1594
_________________I_________
I I I
DOROTHY Margaret Elizabeth
[namesake of = 24 Jul 1600 to Alexander
maternal [contract date] Blair
Now, if Alexander Blair was son of Grizel Sempill and IF (big if)
Grizel was the 2nd 'Grizel' dau. of Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill as put
about, Elizabeth Montgomery and Alexander Blair would have been
related in the 3rd and 2nd degrees of consanguinity (respectively).
Actually, somewhat less unusual than one would have expected; given
this was post Reformation Scotland, and after the marriage of Mary
Stuart and Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley (2nd and 2nd degree) surely not
a big deal.
Cheers,
John
On Sep 18, 8:45?pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
Thanks for that last post. The text in Scots Peerage under
Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald (III:339) says that Grizel was daughter of
Robert, Lord Sempill, but there is no language supporting this from
any documentation I can see. The contract language most likely
supports the bulk of the statement, but no such contract would go
beyond possibly naming the immediate parentage, specifically the
father: the naming of Grizel as dau. of Robert, Lord Sempill (Semple
in the text) is a nice flourish by the author but there is other than
the 'standing' placement I see no evidence for it.
That being said, I think you have the Robert, Lord Sempill
descent in hand despite this. Specifically:
Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill = [possibly Carlile
fl. ca 1505-1575 I maternity not certain]
I_____________
I
Robert Montgomery = bef 24 May 1567 Dorothea Sempill
laird of Skelmorlie I [~evidently well before]
I_______________________
I
William Cochrane = 'bef 1579' Elizabeth Montgomery
d. 1603 I d. 1594
_________________I_________
I I I
DOROTHY Margaret Elizabeth
[namesake of = 24 Jul 1600 to Alexander
maternal [contract date] Blair
Now, if Alexander Blair was son of Grizel Sempill and IF (big if)
Grizel was the 2nd 'Grizel' dau. of Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill as put
about, Elizabeth Montgomery and Alexander Blair would have been
related in the 3rd and 2nd degrees of consanguinity (respectively).
Actually, somewhat less unusual than one would have expected; given
this was post Reformation Scotland, and after the marriage of Mary
Stuart and Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley (2nd and 2nd degree) surely not
a big deal.
Cheers,
John
On Sep 18, 8:45?pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
This link is highly highly germane to this thread.
http://books.google.com/books?id=f7AEAA ... zel+Semp...
They refer to that very document which may state that Grizel was indeed daughter of Robert Lord Semple. I.E. the marriage contract between Elizabeth Cochrane and Alexander Blair, contracted 24 July 1600.
Will Johnson
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John P. Ravilious
Re: A new line of living progeny off Robert, 3rd Lord Semphi
Dear Will,
Thanks for that last post. The text in Scots Peerage under
Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald (III:339) says that Grizel was daughter of
Robert, Lord Sempill, but there is no language supporting this from
any documentation I can see. The contract language most likely
supports the bulk of the statement, but no such contract would go
beyond possibly naming the immediate parentage, specifically the
father: the naming of Grizel as dau. of Robert, Lord Sempill (Semple
in the text) is a nice flourish by the author but there is other than
the 'standing' placement I see no evidence for it.
That being said, I think you have the Robert, Lord Sempill
descent in hand despite this. Specifically:
Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill = [possibly Carlile
fl. ca 1505-1575 I maternity not certain]
I_____________
I
Robert Montgomery = bef 24 May 1567 Dorothea Sempill
laird of Skelmorlie I [~evidently well before]
I_______________________
I
William Cochrane = 'bef 1579' Elizabeth Montgomery
d. 1603 I d. 1594
_________________I_________
I I I
DOROTHY Margaret Elizabeth
[namesake of = 24 Jul 1600 to Alexander
maternal [contract date] Blair
Now, if Alexander Blair was son of Grizel Sempill and IF (big if)
Grizel was the 2nd 'Grizel' dau. of Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill as put
about, Elizabeth Montgomery and Alexander Blair would have been
related in the 3rd and 2nd degrees of consanguinity (respectively).
Actually, somewhat less unusual than one would have expected; given
this was post Reformation Scotland, and after the marriage of Mary
Stuart and Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley (2nd and 2nd degree) surely not
a big deal.
Cheers,
John
On Sep 18, 8:45?pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
Thanks for that last post. The text in Scots Peerage under
Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald (III:339) says that Grizel was daughter of
Robert, Lord Sempill, but there is no language supporting this from
any documentation I can see. The contract language most likely
supports the bulk of the statement, but no such contract would go
beyond possibly naming the immediate parentage, specifically the
father: the naming of Grizel as dau. of Robert, Lord Sempill (Semple
in the text) is a nice flourish by the author but there is other than
the 'standing' placement I see no evidence for it.
That being said, I think you have the Robert, Lord Sempill
descent in hand despite this. Specifically:
Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill = [possibly Carlile
fl. ca 1505-1575 I maternity not certain]
I_____________
I
Robert Montgomery = bef 24 May 1567 Dorothea Sempill
laird of Skelmorlie I [~evidently well before]
I_______________________
I
William Cochrane = 'bef 1579' Elizabeth Montgomery
d. 1603 I d. 1594
_________________I_________
I I I
DOROTHY Margaret Elizabeth
[namesake of = 24 Jul 1600 to Alexander
maternal [contract date] Blair
Now, if Alexander Blair was son of Grizel Sempill and IF (big if)
Grizel was the 2nd 'Grizel' dau. of Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill as put
about, Elizabeth Montgomery and Alexander Blair would have been
related in the 3rd and 2nd degrees of consanguinity (respectively).
Actually, somewhat less unusual than one would have expected; given
this was post Reformation Scotland, and after the marriage of Mary
Stuart and Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley (2nd and 2nd degree) surely not
a big deal.
Cheers,
John
On Sep 18, 8:45?pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
This link is highly highly germane to this thread.
http://books.google.com/books?id=f7AEAA ... zel+Semp...
They refer to that very document which may state that Grizel was indeed daughter of Robert Lord Semple. I.E. the marriage contract between Elizabeth Cochrane and Alexander Blair, contracted 24 July 1600.
Will Johnson
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John P. Ravilious
Re: A new line of living progeny off Robert, 3rd Lord Semphi
Dear Will,
Thanks for that last post. The text in Scots Peerage under
Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald (III:339) says that Grizel was daughter of
Robert, Lord Sempill, but there is no language supporting this from
any documentation I can see. The contract language most likely
supports the bulk of the statement, but no such contract would go
beyond possibly naming the immediate parentage, specifically the
father: the naming of Grizel as dau. of Robert, Lord Sempill (Semple
in the text) is a nice flourish by the author but there is other than
the 'standing' placement I see no evidence for it.
That being said, I think you have the Robert, Lord Sempill
descent in hand despite this. Specifically:
Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill = [possibly Carlile
fl. ca 1505-1575 I maternity not certain]
I_____________
I
Robert Montgomery = bef 24 May 1567 Dorothea Sempill
laird of Skelmorlie I [~evidently well before]
I_______________________
I
William Cochrane = 'bef 1579' Elizabeth Montgomery
d. 1603 I d. 1594
_________________I_________
I I I
DOROTHY Margaret Elizabeth
[namesake of = 24 Jul 1600 to Alexander
maternal [contract date] Blair
Now, if Alexander Blair was son of Grizel Sempill and IF (big if)
Grizel was the 2nd 'Grizel' dau. of Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill as put
about, Elizabeth Montgomery and Alexander Blair would have been
related in the 3rd and 2nd degrees of consanguinity (respectively).
Actually, somewhat less unusual than one would have expected; given
this was post Reformation Scotland, and after the marriage of Mary
Stuart and Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley (2nd and 2nd degree) surely not
a big deal.
Cheers,
John
On Sep 18, 8:45?pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
Thanks for that last post. The text in Scots Peerage under
Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald (III:339) says that Grizel was daughter of
Robert, Lord Sempill, but there is no language supporting this from
any documentation I can see. The contract language most likely
supports the bulk of the statement, but no such contract would go
beyond possibly naming the immediate parentage, specifically the
father: the naming of Grizel as dau. of Robert, Lord Sempill (Semple
in the text) is a nice flourish by the author but there is other than
the 'standing' placement I see no evidence for it.
That being said, I think you have the Robert, Lord Sempill
descent in hand despite this. Specifically:
Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill = [possibly Carlile
fl. ca 1505-1575 I maternity not certain]
I_____________
I
Robert Montgomery = bef 24 May 1567 Dorothea Sempill
laird of Skelmorlie I [~evidently well before]
I_______________________
I
William Cochrane = 'bef 1579' Elizabeth Montgomery
d. 1603 I d. 1594
_________________I_________
I I I
DOROTHY Margaret Elizabeth
[namesake of = 24 Jul 1600 to Alexander
maternal [contract date] Blair
Now, if Alexander Blair was son of Grizel Sempill and IF (big if)
Grizel was the 2nd 'Grizel' dau. of Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill as put
about, Elizabeth Montgomery and Alexander Blair would have been
related in the 3rd and 2nd degrees of consanguinity (respectively).
Actually, somewhat less unusual than one would have expected; given
this was post Reformation Scotland, and after the marriage of Mary
Stuart and Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley (2nd and 2nd degree) surely not
a big deal.
Cheers,
John
On Sep 18, 8:45?pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
This link is highly highly germane to this thread.
http://books.google.com/books?id=f7AEAA ... zel+Semp...
They refer to that very document which may state that Grizel was indeed daughter of Robert Lord Semple. I.E. the marriage contract between Elizabeth Cochrane and Alexander Blair, contracted 24 July 1600.
Will Johnson
-
John P. Ravilious
Re: A new line of living progeny off Robert, 3rd Lord Semphi
Dear Will,
Thanks for that last post. The text in Scots Peerage under
Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald (III:339) says that Grizel was daughter of
Robert, Lord Sempill, but there is no language supporting this from
any documentation I can see. The contract language most likely
supports the bulk of the statement, but no such contract would go
beyond possibly naming the immediate parentage, specifically the
father: the naming of Grizel as dau. of Robert, Lord Sempill (Semple
in the text) is a nice flourish by the author but there is other than
the 'standing' placement I see no evidence for it.
That being said, I think you have the Robert, Lord Sempill
descent in hand despite this. Specifically:
Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill = [possibly Carlile
fl. ca 1505-1575 I maternity not certain]
I_____________
I
Robert Montgomery = bef 24 May 1567 Dorothea Sempill
laird of Skelmorlie I [~evidently well before]
I_______________________
I
William Cochrane = 'bef 1579' Elizabeth Montgomery
d. 1603 I d. 1594
_________________I_________
I I I
DOROTHY Margaret Elizabeth
[namesake of = 24 Jul 1600 to Alexander
maternal [contract date] Blair
Now, if Alexander Blair was son of Grizel Sempill and IF (big if)
Grizel was the 2nd 'Grizel' dau. of Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill as put
about, Elizabeth Montgomery and Alexander Blair would have been
related in the 3rd and 2nd degrees of consanguinity (respectively).
Actually, somewhat less unusual than one would have expected; given
this was post Reformation Scotland, and after the marriage of Mary
Stuart and Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley (2nd and 2nd degree) surely not
a big deal.
Cheers,
John
On Sep 18, 8:45?pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
Thanks for that last post. The text in Scots Peerage under
Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald (III:339) says that Grizel was daughter of
Robert, Lord Sempill, but there is no language supporting this from
any documentation I can see. The contract language most likely
supports the bulk of the statement, but no such contract would go
beyond possibly naming the immediate parentage, specifically the
father: the naming of Grizel as dau. of Robert, Lord Sempill (Semple
in the text) is a nice flourish by the author but there is other than
the 'standing' placement I see no evidence for it.
That being said, I think you have the Robert, Lord Sempill
descent in hand despite this. Specifically:
Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill = [possibly Carlile
fl. ca 1505-1575 I maternity not certain]
I_____________
I
Robert Montgomery = bef 24 May 1567 Dorothea Sempill
laird of Skelmorlie I [~evidently well before]
I_______________________
I
William Cochrane = 'bef 1579' Elizabeth Montgomery
d. 1603 I d. 1594
_________________I_________
I I I
DOROTHY Margaret Elizabeth
[namesake of = 24 Jul 1600 to Alexander
maternal [contract date] Blair
Now, if Alexander Blair was son of Grizel Sempill and IF (big if)
Grizel was the 2nd 'Grizel' dau. of Robert, 3rd Lord Sempill as put
about, Elizabeth Montgomery and Alexander Blair would have been
related in the 3rd and 2nd degrees of consanguinity (respectively).
Actually, somewhat less unusual than one would have expected; given
this was post Reformation Scotland, and after the marriage of Mary
Stuart and Henry Stewart, Lord Darnley (2nd and 2nd degree) surely not
a big deal.
Cheers,
John
On Sep 18, 8:45?pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
This link is highly highly germane to this thread.
http://books.google.com/books?id=f7AEAA ... zel+Semp...
They refer to that very document which may state that Grizel was indeed daughter of Robert Lord Semple. I.E. the marriage contract between Elizabeth Cochrane and Alexander Blair, contracted 24 July 1600.
Will Johnson