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Eoppa

Legg inn av Ford Mommaerts-Browne » 13 sep 2007 14:53:11

Hovite worte:
James W Cummings
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.gene ... 110f64f7?| lnk=gst&q=Eoppa&rnum=17#281cfb11110f64f7
asked "Isn`t there a theory that Eoppa and Eafa are the same person?"
I suspect he was thinking of the imaginary Elesa and Esla, who occur
in the fraudulent pedigree of Ethelwulf as the father and grandfather
of the mythical Cerdic, and were considered by Sisam (Anglo-Saxon
Royal Genealogies) to be the same person, variants of Alusa or Aloc in
the pedigree of Ida, from which the forger took several names. ["...
Esla is otherwise unknown in English, and is curiously like Elesa -
too like if Elesa is etymologically the same name as Elsa ..."].

It has been suggested by Stewart Baldwin
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.gene ... 6e2dd3a29e
that Eaba (or Eafa) could be a woman, a West Saxon heiress marrying
into the Kentish dynasty. This is not totally impossible but the usual
Anglo-Saxon feminine form would be Eabe (or Eafe), though in Latin
documents the case endings are often befuddled. Aebba, Eaba, and Eabe
were hypocoristic forms of Eormenbeorh (Searle, Onomasticon), and
presumably other names. Eormenbeorh was a Kentish princess, daughter
of Eormenred, son of Eadbald.

That an Anglo-Saxon princess could transmit a claim to her sons was
clearly believed by Margaret, wife of Malcolm III, who named four of
her sons after her male line ancestors: Edward, Edmund, Ethelred, and
Edgar. But I see no reason to suppose that Eaba or Eafa in Ethelwulf's
pedigree was a woman, or even ever existed, as the genealogy going
back to Adam is a blatant fraud.

Stewart Baldwin
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.gene ... 87117e1dc5
Also mentioned that Eoppa or Eopfa occurs as a witness in charters of
Cynewulf of Wessex. There are three such charters, S260 to S262, now
all available online at http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=s ... e=Charters

S 260, dated 758
"authentic, perhaps abbreviated by a copyist"
"....
Signum manus Herewardi episcopi .
Signum manus Eoppan .
Signum manus Herecan abbatis .
...."
http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=seek&query=S+260

S 261, dated 762
"probably abbreviated"
"...
+ Signum manus Scillingi prefecti
+ Signum manus Hemeles prefecti
+ Signum manus Cerdic prefecti
+ Signum manus Heaheahfrithes prefecti
+ Signum manus Ethelrici prefecti
+ Signum manus Eoppan
+ Signum manus Wigfrithes prefecti."
http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=seek&query=S+261

S 262, dated 766
"perhaps an authentic charter in favour of Sherborne, later altered at
Wells"
"...
+ Signum manus Heahferdes pr'..
+ Signum manus Eopfan pr'..
+ Signum manus Edelrices pr'..
+ Signum manus Hemeles pr'..
+ Signum manus Wigfred pr'..
+ Signum manus Ceardicis pr'..
http://www.anglo-saxons.net/hwaet/?do=seek&query=S+262

All of these charters seem short, and the rank of Eoppa is omitted in
two of them. Normally, the witness lists of charters follows a strict
order of precedence, but the sequence of "prefecti" in S261 and S262
is not exactly the same, and in S260 Eoppa is placed between a bishop
and an abbot.

The name "Eoppa" occurs in five Mercian charters), and
"Eoppan" (besides the two mentioned above) in one Mercian and two
later charters of Eadwig, whereas the "Eopfan" above is unique and
obviously a copyist error. Eoppan is the Anglo-Saxon genitive of
Eoppa, somewhat incongruously used in Latin charters. Eoppa was a
hypocoristic form of Eorpwine (Stenton, Personal Names in Place-Names)
and presumably other names.

None of the above is of much help, as the charters are all very short,
and do not involve Eoppa, except as a witness, so no relationships are
stated.

More probably, the Eoppa used as an ancestor of Ethelwulf has the same
origin as Elesa and Esla, namely the pedigree of Ida, in which his
father is Eoppa and his grandfather is Oesa or Esa. There are several
variants of Ida's genealogy, but one of them has this sequence
(Searle, Anglo-Saxon Bishops, Kings, and Nobles):

Ingengeat
Aethelbryht
Oesa
Eoppa
Ida

Given that we know that the forger used Ida's genealogy as a source,
it seems unnecessary to look elsewhere for an explanation of Eoppa.


So, you've proven that Eoppa/Eafa may be a legitimate male name. You've also proved that the name occurs in the ancestry of Ida, whom the compiler of Ethelwulf's pedigree used to forge Cerdic's ancestry. Might a legitimate occurence of this name be the inspiration for the ancestry of Cerdic?
If we accept that Eoppa and Eafa are an obfuscated duplication, he would be about the same generation as Sigebert, King of Wessex, and his brother Cyneherd. Now Sigebert is identified by some, (many?) as a brother of Sigered, King of Kent. Sigebert and Sigered are East Saxon names, and the East Saxon royal house had at least a couple of ties to the royal house of Kent. Might this not be whence the West Saxon claim to the throne of Kent springs?
Also, I notice an Ethelbert in Ida's ancetry.

Hovite

Re: Eoppa

Legg inn av Hovite » 14 sep 2007 17:26:17

On Sep 13, 2:53 pm, "Ford Mommaerts-Browne" Might a legitimate
occurence of this name be the inspiration for the ancestry of Cerdic?

The origin of Cerdic's pedigree was established by K Sisam "Anglo-
Saxon Royal Genealogies" (1953):

"The explanation is, I believe, that Cerdic's pedigree was copied from
this part of Ida's, and that Gewis was substituted afterwards to give
it a West Saxon colouring. The substitution exactly at this point
might be made because the association of Bernic with Bernicia was
obvious. Bernic, who appears only in the pedigree of Ida, is generally
regarded as an eponymous king derived from the name of the Bernicians,
and Giwis, who appears only in the pedigree of Cerdic, seems to be
derived in the same way from Gewisse".

Hovite

Re: Eoppa

Legg inn av Hovite » 14 sep 2007 17:33:59

On Sep 13, 2:53 pm, "Ford Mommaerts-Browne"
If we accept that Eoppa and Eafa are an obfuscated duplication

It is Elesa and Esla who are the duplicated from Alusa (or Aloc), son
(or great-grandson, or great-great-grandson) or Beornic (or Benoc, or
Beorn).

In the Ethelwulf pedigree Beornic, eponym of Bernicia, is changed to
Gewis, and Alusa to Elesa and Esla.

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