Gregory of Tours

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WJhonson

Gregory of Tours

Legg inn av WJhonson » 11 sep 2007 02:32:06

I just picked up a copy of "The History of the Franks". In the preface the author has laid out a genealogical tree of Gregory's family including some 20 names among whom are four Senators and six Bishops.

The tree covers only the period from say 500 to 600 AD.

Are any descents into the High Middle Ages, or even to today, known to exist from this extended family ?

Will Johnson

Christopher Ingham

Re: Gregory of Tours

Legg inn av Christopher Ingham » 11 sep 2007 08:27:23

On Sep 10, 9:32 pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
I just picked up a copy of "The History of the Franks". In the preface the author has laid out a genealogical tree of Gregory's family including some 20 names among whom are four Senators and six Bishops.

The tree covers only the period from say 500 to 600 AD.

Are any descents into the High Middle Ages, or even to today, known to exist from this extended family ?

Will Johnson

Only hypothetically, I believe, through Arnulf, bishop of Metz. See
the threads from 2004, "Munderic Lord of Vitry," and 2005, "My
Merovingian Line."

As of this time, Arnulf's parentage is not established. Eighth and
ninth-century Carolingian writers fabricated legends connecting him to
Aquitainian nobility and the Merovingians [P. Riché,_The Carolingians:
A Family Who Forged Europe_(Philadelphia, 1993), 15].

The chapter on Gregory's prosopography and genealogy in M.
Heinzelmann,_Gregory of Tours: History and Society in the Sixth
Century_(Cambridge, 2001) is available online:

http://assets.cambridge.org/97805216/31 ... 1747ws.pdf

Christopher Ingham

Christopher Ingham

Re: Gregory of Tours

Legg inn av Christopher Ingham » 11 sep 2007 23:45:47

On Sep 11, 6:27 pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 09/11/07 00:39:16 Pacific Standard Time, christophering...@comcast.net writes:
Only hypothetically, I believe, through Arnulf, bishop of Metz. See
the threads from 2004, "Munderic Lord of Vitry," and 2005, "My
Merovingian Line."

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I think you've answered my question upside-down.
What I was wondering is *not* about the Merovingian kings.

I'm stating that the "History of the Franks" by Gregory of Tours, gives HIS (that is Gregory's) family tree. Not the tree of the kings, which it also gives but so do a thousand web pages.

I'm interested to know about the descents to modern-times if any for Gregory's family, not the Merovingians.

Thanks
Will Johnson

The threads I earlier cited discuss a hypothetical descent of Arnulf,
forebear of the Carolingians, from the family of Gregory. Any other
connections of the latter, real or supposed, to later medieval lines I
am unaware of.

Christopher Ingham

Christopher Ingham

Re: Gregory of Tours

Legg inn av Christopher Ingham » 12 sep 2007 01:42:47

On Sep 11, 7:31 pm, WJhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
I've now gone back and read through the entire thread

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.gene ... thread/t...

It's not clear to me however, how Arnulf is supposed to fit into this family, or even who Arnulf is supposed to be. There is an Arnulf, Bishop of Metz, who is supposed to be the ancestor of the Carolingians, however this Arnulf is also supposed to be a son of Ansbertus a Senator by his wife Bilhildis or something like that....

Will Johnson

"Supposed" is the operative term here. Arnulf's parentage is
unestablished, but there are several proposals for it. If you will
read the "My Merovingian Lines" thread you will notice it is not about
Merovingians; the last two messages mention an Artemia, who you will
notice, in the genealogical chart on page 15 of the pdf text I
referred you to, is a great-grandmother of Gregory. The threads I
cited were meant to give you a start in your own archives search.

Christopher Ingham

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