In alt.history.british Normandy <aabbcc@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
"Paul J Gans" <gans@panix.com> a ?crit dans le message de news:
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In alt.history.british Normandy <aabbcc@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> a ?crit dans le message de
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Normandy wrote:
Worthless, Tongue-Flapping Bromide...
Would you please give us your descent? We can guess it,
of course, short as it is: from the fair soil of the earth to the
sock factory, and thence here.
Doug McDonald
Mine traces back to Hasting the Pirate on the paternal side and Charles
Martel on the maternal side.
Ghod, I hope not. There is no real evidence that "Hasting"
ever existed.
Yes, I know he has listed descendents, etc., but then, so does
Adam.
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--- Paul J. Gans
Dudo of St-Quentin speaks of him in his 'De moribus'. In another Dudo work,
'Historia Norrmannorum', he says that when Charles the Simple demanded that
Rollon kiss his foot as a sign of fealty Rollon (Rollo or HRolf) refused. He
sent Hasting to do the job. According to Dudo Hasting instead of bending
down brought the king's foot to his mouth pitching the king in the mud. my
ancestor listed on the Caen roll was allegedly descended from Hasting. True
or a Norman myth, I do not know.
Dudo is NOT a reliable source. He was commissioned to write
a family history of the rulers of Normandy by Duke Richard II
(996-1026) and Dudo was given a lifetime stipend for it.
It is a pangyric to the virtues of the Norman rulers, laid
on so thick in places that it is hard to maintain a straight
face. For several hundred years Dudo has been taken at face
value, but in the last 50-75 years he'd been re-examined,
deconstructed, and largely discredited, especially in the early
parts of his story.
There is a fascinating book by Emily Albu titled "The Normans
in their Histories" which ought to be required reading for
*anybody* who needs to consult Norman writers from Dudo
through Orderic Vitalis and down to Wace. And yes, Albu
is a serious historian widely regarded as top notch by
her peers.
Understanding how the medievals of this period understood
history is paramount to being able to understand what was
written.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but just because something is
written down does not mean that it is accurate. As for
the various rolls, and scrolls you've mentioned, you have
to ask where *their* makers got their information.
One last thing, probably superflous: Don't take any
crap from the giant ignoramous and liar, Hines.
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--- Paul J. Gans