From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval,soc.history.medieval,alt.history.british
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: C.P. Addition: The kinship of Charles Brandon's wives,Margaret
Neville a...
Complete Peerage, 12 Pt. 1 (1959(); 458, footnote g, quotes the 1528
papal bull which recites that Charles Brandon and his 1st wife,
Margaret Neville, were related in the 2nd and 3rd degrees of
affinity. It explains the exact nature of the affinity, namely that
Charles Brandon's grandmother was the brother of the father
============Ooops Charles Brandon's grandmother was the _brother_ ?????
Surely you mean sister?
of a
former husband of Margaret Neville. This can only mean that Margaret
Neville had a previous unknown 1st marriage to a Wingfield or a Darcy,
which fact is totally ignored by Complete Peerage.
The papal bull also states that Margaret Neville and Charles Brandon's
2nd wife, Anne Browne, were related within the 2nd and 3rd degrees of
consanguinity. Since Margaret was so much older than either Charles
or Anne, the short side of the kinship would surely be on Margaret's
side. If correct, then this means that Anne Browne was a grandchild
of a brother or sister of Margaret Neville's father, John Neville,
Marquess of Montagu. Anne Browne can not be related through Margaret
Neville's mother, Isabel Ingaldesthorpe, as Isabel had no siblings.
Complete Peerage bungles this part as well as it makes that Anne
Browne the niece of Margaret Neville, rather than first cousin once
removed. The evidence clearly shows that Anne Browne can not have
been Margaret Neville's niece. Anne Browne's father was married to
Margaret Neville's sister, but long after Anne Browne was born. In
any event, if Margaret and Anne had been aunt and niece, the kinship
would have been 1st and 2nd degrees of kindred, not 2nd and 3rd as
stated in the papal bull.
This also means that Anne Browne was not the daughter of Sir Anthony
Browne, by Eleanor Ughtred, as Eleanor Ughtred was not near related to
Margaret Neville. Whoever Anne Browne's mother was, she would have
had to have been near related to Margaret Neville. Since Eleanor
Ughtred does not fit this qualification, Adrian Channing's theory
about Eleanor Ughtred being Anne Browne's mother fails. Back to
square one. Time for a correction to Chris Philips' correction of
Complete Peerage.
Comments are invited.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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