Sir John Prattle of Tew

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James Dow Allen

Sir John Prattle of Tew

Legg inn av James Dow Allen » 05 sep 2007 07:46:28

Recently I chanced upon on-line genealogies which
mention a 13th-century Sir John Prattle:
"'Sir John Prattle Chief Lord
of ye Mannor of Tew (in Com.) Oxf.'
Tew is located 18 miles NNW of Oxford."

He is shown as ancestor of John Wilcotes,
"Lord of Great Tew," which makes him, in
some (probably *very* speculative) genealogies,
an ancestor of Lady Diana late Princess of Wales.

My question is: did any "Sir John Prattle"
ever exist at all? The name sounds almost like
a joke, like someone padding their Gedcom out
with gibberish.

Is there any database that would show all the
known medieval English lords and knights?

I searched this ng for "Prattle", and found several
mentions, but all written in lower-case and used
as a verb. (Many of the mentions involved
Mr. D. Spencer Hines.)

James

Gjest

Re: Sir John Prattle of Tew

Legg inn av Gjest » 05 sep 2007 09:12:19

On 5 Sep, 07:46, James Dow Allen <jdallen2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Is there any database that would show all the
known medieval English lords and knights?

Dear James

I would refer you to The Knights of England by Shaw. This work covers
both orders of chivalry and knights bachelor as I recall.

Yours, etc

Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt.

Peter Stewart

Re: Sir John Prattle of Tew

Legg inn av Peter Stewart » 05 sep 2007 09:38:30

<sir_crispin_gaylord@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1188979939.130795.243480@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 5 Sep, 07:46, James Dow Allen <jdallen2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Is there any database that would show all the
known medieval English lords and knights?

Dear James

I would refer you to The Knights of England by Shaw. This work covers
both orders of chivalry and knights bachelor as I recall.

But not baronets, or you might recall that

Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt.

is, of course, not in this or any other such reference book.

Peter Stewart

Matthew Connolly

Re: Sir John Prattle of Tew

Legg inn av Matthew Connolly » 06 sep 2007 21:11:37

On Sep 5, 8:46 am, James Dow Allen <jdallen2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Recently I chanced upon on-line genealogies which
mention a 13th-century Sir John Prattle:
"'Sir John Prattle Chief Lord
of ye Mannor of Tew (in Com.) Oxf.'
Tew is located 18 miles NNW of Oxford."

He is shown as ancestor of John Wilcotes,
"Lord of Great Tew," which makes him, in
some (probably *very* speculative) genealogies,
an ancestor of Lady Diana late Princess of Wales.

My question is: did any "Sir John Prattle"
ever exist at all? The name sounds almost like
a joke, like someone padding their Gedcom out
with gibberish.

Is there any database that would show all the
known medieval English lords and knights?

I searched this ng for "Prattle", and found several
mentions, but all written in lower-case and used
as a verb. (Many of the mentions involved
Mr. D. Spencer Hines.)

James

It dawned on me that I've seen this name written as 'Pratellis', which
in turn seems to be a version of the name 'de Preaux' (perhaps as it
appears in documents). Not much in the archives, but a general search
of the web shows results mentioning Great Tew.

taf

Re: Sir John Prattle of Tew

Legg inn av taf » 06 sep 2007 21:47:37

On Sep 6, 1:11 pm, Matthew Connolly <mvernonconno...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
On Sep 5, 8:46 am, James Dow Allen <jdallen2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Recently I chanced upon on-line genealogies which
mention a 13th-century Sir John Prattle:
"'Sir John Prattle Chief Lord
of ye Mannor of Tew (in Com.) Oxf.'
Tew is located 18 miles NNW of Oxford."

Well, you can probably ignore the "Chief Lord" bit - he probably just
held the manor (while he could have held it in chief, it is unlikely
that anyone who knew about holding a manor in chief would refer to the
holder as "chief lord".

I have not done any work with Oxford - has VCH Oxford progressed to
include Tew? If so, that should answer your question.

My question is: did any "Sir John Prattle"
ever exist at all? The name sounds almost like
a joke, like someone padding their Gedcom out
with gibberish.

It dawned on me that I've seen this name written as 'Pratellis', which
in turn seems to be a version of the name 'de Preaux' (perhaps as it
appears in documents).

Pratallis, or something of the sort, was used for Preaux, but this
latter is distinct from Prouz/Pruz, although they are frequently
confused in 19th century works.

taf

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