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Leo van de Pas

Fw: Byzantine Traditions

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 04 sep 2007 22:32:44

To add to the Speyer Cathedral and Kloster Lorsch observation, I just
learned they are geographically very close. Not sure as yet how close.
Leo

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From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au>
To: "Don Stone" <don@donstonetech.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Byzantine Traditions


Dear Don,

Many thanks for this.One more funny thing the necrology for Eirene the
daughter is in Speyer Cathedral, but ES gives she was buried in Kloster
Lorsch.

With best wishes and many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

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From: "Don Stone" <don@donstonetech.com
To: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au
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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: Byzantine Traditions


Leo van de Pas wrote:
In ES Volume II Tafel 179 the Angeloi family is recorded. There is
Emperor Isaac II and with him his two wives.
Wife nr 1 is NN
their children, Alexios IV, an unnamed daughter, and Eirene (Maria)
Wife nr 2 is Margaretha of Hungary
their children Manuel and Ioannes

I understand that in Byzantium children were not named after their
parents, BUT daughter Eirene has on her necrology the name of her mother
recorded, and it appears that NN is Herina (Eirene).

Could the mother's name have been a monastic one? Was she perhaps
divorced by Isaac II ? There doesn't seem to be any record of this first
wife of Isaac II. Does anyone know?

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia


Leo,

In December of 2005 John Ravilious assembled a good anthology of SGM
discussions about the mother of Eirene; see
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GE ... 1134524327.

-- Don Stone



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Francisco Tavares de Alme

Re: Fw: Byzantine Traditions

Legg inn av Francisco Tavares de Alme » 05 sep 2007 00:51:00

If I did nor misread the map, they are not so close. 164 km (nowadays
145 of them by highway)

Best regards,
Francisco


On 4 Set, 22:32, "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
To add to the Speyer Cathedral and Kloster Lorsch observation, I just
learned they are geographically very close. Not sure as yet how close.
Leo



----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au
To: "Don Stone" <d...@donstonetech.com

Cc: <GEN-MEDIEVA...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Byzantine Traditions

Dear Don,

Many thanks for this.One more funny thing the necrology for Eirene the
daughter is in Speyer Cathedral, but ES gives she was buried in Kloster
Lorsch.

With best wishes and many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Stone" <d...@donstonetech.com
To: "Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au
Cc: <GEN-MEDIEVA...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: Byzantine Traditions

Leo van de Pas wrote:
In ES Volume II Tafel 179 the Angeloi family is recorded. There is
Emperor Isaac II and with him his two wives.
Wife nr 1 is NN
their children, Alexios IV, an unnamed daughter, and Eirene (Maria)
Wife nr 2 is Margaretha of Hungary
their children Manuel and Ioannes

I understand that in Byzantium children were not named after their
parents, BUT daughter Eirene has on her necrology the name of her mother
recorded, and it appears that NN is Herina (Eirene).

Could the mother's name have been a monastic one? Was she perhaps
divorced by Isaac II ? There doesn't seem to be any record of this first
wife of Isaac II. Does anyone know?

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia

Leo,

In December of 2005 John Ravilious assembled a good anthology of SGM
discussions about the mother of Eirene; see
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GE ... 1134524327.

-- Don Stone

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