Addition for ODNB: Sir Richard Pole's first wife, Alice Lang

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Addition for ODNB: Sir Richard Pole's first wife, Alice Lang

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 04 sep 2007 20:36:42

Dear Newsgroup ~

In previous posts here on the newsgroup, I presented conclusive
evidence which showed that Sir Richard Pole (died 1504), husband of
the ill famed Margaret Plantagenet, Countess of Salisbury, had married
(1st) before 28 June 1483 a certain Alice Langford, widow of John
Stradling (died 1471), of Dauntsey, Bremilham, and Marden, Wiltshire,
and daughter of Edward Langford, of Bradfield, Berkshire.

Sir Richard Pole had no known issue by his marriage to Alice
Langford. Alice Langford, however, had two known children by her
first marriage to John Stradling, namely one son, Edward Stradling,
who died without issue 4 November 1488, and one daughter, Anne
Stradling, born about 1469 (aged 19 in 1488), who married John
Danvers. Evidence of these two children can be found in Cal. IPMs
Henry VII, 1 (1898): no. 271. Anne (Stradling) Danvers is ancestral
to the 17th Century New World immigrant, Jeremy Clarke, of Rhode
Island.

I just checked the new account of Margaret Plantagenet, Countess of
Salisbury, in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (or ODNB),
which account was prepared by the historian, Hazel Pierce [Reference:
ODNB (2004): (biog. of Margaret Pole) (article available online at http://
http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/22451). Ms. Pierce is also the author
of the most recent biography of Margaret Plantagenet entitled Margaret
Pole which was published in 2003. Unfortunately the new ODNB account
makes no mention of Margaret Plantagenet being Sir Richard Pole's
second wife. Rather, it follows the standard line taken by past
historians that Margaret Plantagenet was Sir Richard's only wife.

One wonders why this should be the case when the evidence of the Pole-
Langford marriage was initially presented by F.N. Macnamara in his
book, Memorials of the Danvers Family, back in 1895. However, I've
found that historians are notoriously bad genealogists. In this case,
the author of the ODNB article missed both the Danvers book and the
published abstract of the Chancery proceeding which proved the Pole-
Langford marriage.

Be that as it may, I recently found a brief mention of Alice
Langford's husband, John Stradling, and their daughter, Anne
(Stradling) Danvers, in the book, Llyfr Baglan, published in 1910.
This work is based on pedigrees collected by John Willisms in the
period, 1600-1607. On pages 279, the following information is
presented:

"This Sr Edward [Stradling] had to his brothere John Stradlinge,
knight, who ma. w'th the heire of dauncie in wilshir and had issue sir
Edmond, who had issue John and Edmond; John had issue the ladie
dauers, of whome the davers, hungerfordes, fynes and levets and a
great p'genye of theme are descended, and of the said Edmond cometh
Carnysoyes of Cornwall.").

Comments are invited.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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Re: Addition for ODNB: Sir Richard Pole's first wife, Alice

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 sep 2007 22:14:18

DR 4 Sept 2006 "However, I've found that historians are notoriously
bad genealogists."

DR 30 Aug 2006 "For one thing, I'm a trained historian..."

QED

Gjest

Re: Addition for ODNB: Sir Richard Pole's first wife, Alice

Legg inn av Gjest » 04 sep 2007 22:18:14

It seems fashionable to repeat posts, correcting dates of citations in
the process!

DR 4 Sept 2007 "However, I've found that historians are notoriously
bad genealogists."

DR 30 Aug 2007 "For one thing, I'm a trained historian..."

QED

Douglas Richardson

Re: Addition for ODNB: Sir Richard Pole's first wife, Alice

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 05 sep 2007 04:57:50

On Sep 4, 2:22 pm, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

< Have you written to Dr Hazel M Pierce MA PhD and explained her
error ?
<
< She's not a difficult person to find...
<
< William Black

Dear William ~

I forwarded this correction onto the ODNB staff several weeks ago.
They said they would examine the evidence I supplied them and get back
to me. I assume when they have the opportunity that they will get in
touch with Dr. Pierce.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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