Addition for ODNB: Sir Richard Pole's first wife, Alice Lang

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Addition for ODNB: Sir Richard Pole's first wife, Alice Lang

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 04 sep 2007 20:36:57

Dear Newsgroup ~

In previous posts here on the newsgroup, I presented conclusive
evidence which showed that Sir Richard Pole (died 1504), husband of
the ill famed Margaret Plantagenet, Countess of Salisbury, had married
(1st) before 28 June 1483 a certain Alice Langford, widow of John
Stradling (died 1471), of Dauntsey, Bremilham, and Marden, Wiltshire,
and daughter of Edward Langford, of Bradfield, Berkshire.

Sir Richard Pole had no known issue by his marriage to Alice
Langford. Alice Langford, however, had two known children by her
first marriage to John Stradling, namely one son, Edward Stradling,
who died without issue 4 November 1488, and one daughter, Anne
Stradling, born about 1469 (aged 19 in 1488), who married John
Danvers. Evidence of these two children can be found in Cal. IPMs
Henry VII, 1 (1898): no. 271. Anne (Stradling) Danvers is ancestral
to the 17th Century New World immigrant, Jeremy Clarke, of Rhode
Island.

I just checked the new account of Margaret Plantagenet, Countess of
Salisbury, in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (or ODNB),
which account was prepared by the historian, Hazel Pierce [Reference:
ODNB (2004): (biog. of Margaret Pole) (article available online at http://
http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/22451). Ms. Pierce is also the author
of the most recent biography of Margaret Plantagenet entitled Margaret
Pole which was published in 2003. Unfortunately the new ODNB account
makes no mention of Margaret Plantagenet being Sir Richard Pole's
second wife. Rather, it follows the standard line taken by past
historians that Margaret Plantagenet was Sir Richard's only wife.

One wonders why this should be the case when the evidence of the Pole-
Langford marriage was initially presented by F.N. Macnamara in his
book, Memorials of the Danvers Family, back in 1895. However, I've
found that historians are notoriously bad genealogists. In this case,
the author of the ODNB article missed both the Danvers book and the
published abstract of the Chancery proceeding which proved the Pole-
Langford marriage.

Be that as it may, I recently found a brief mention of Alice
Langford's husband, John Stradling, and their daughter, Anne
(Stradling) Danvers, in the book, Llyfr Baglan, published in 1910.
This work is based on pedigrees collected by John Willisms in the
period, 1600-1607. On pages 279, the following information is
presented:

"This Sr Edward [Stradling] had to his brothere John Stradlinge,
knight, who ma. w'th the heire of dauncie in wilshir and had issue sir
Edmond, who had issue John and Edmond; John had issue the ladie
dauers, of whome the davers, hungerfordes, fynes and levets and a
great p'genye of theme are descended, and of the said Edmond cometh
Carnysoyes of Cornwall.").

Comments are invited.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Merilyn Pedrick

Re: Addition for ODNB: Sir Richard Pole's first wife, Alice

Legg inn av Merilyn Pedrick » 05 sep 2007 05:20:03

Unfortunately, for those of us who are not currently subscribers to ONDB we
can't read Margaret's biography. Would you be able to cut and paste it here
please Douglas?

Merilyn Pedrick





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From: Douglas Richardson

Date: 09/05/07 05:10:19

To: gen-medieval@rootsweb.com

Subject: Addition for ODNB: Sir Richard Pole's first wife, Alice Langford



Dear Newsgroup ~



In previous posts here on the newsgroup, I presented conclusive

evidence which showed that Sir Richard Pole (died 1504), husband of

the ill famed Margaret Plantagenet, Countess of Salisbury, had married

(1st) before 28 June 1483 a certain Alice Langford, widow of John

Stradling (died 1471), of Dauntsey, Bremilham, and Marden, Wiltshire,

and daughter of Edward Langford, of Bradfield, Berkshire.



Sir Richard Pole had no known issue by his marriage to Alice

Langford. Alice Langford, however, had two known children by her

first marriage to John Stradling, namely one son, Edward Stradling,

who died without issue 4 November 1488, and one daughter, Anne

Stradling, born about 1469 (aged 19 in 1488), who married John

Danvers. Evidence of these two children can be found in Cal. IPMs

Henry VII, 1 (1898): no. 271. Anne (Stradling) Danvers is ancestral

to the 17th Century New World immigrant, Jeremy Clarke, of Rhode

Island.



I just checked the new account of Margaret Plantagenet, Countess of

Salisbury, in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (or ODNB),

which account was prepared by the historian, Hazel Pierce [Reference:

ODNB (2004): (biog. of Margaret Pole) (article available online at http://

http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/22451). Ms. Pierce is also the author

of the most recent biography of Margaret Plantagenet entitled Margaret

Pole which was published in 2003. Unfortunately the new ODNB account

makes no mention of Margaret Plantagenet being Sir Richard Pole's

second wife. Rather, it follows the standard line taken by past

historians that Margaret Plantagenet was Sir Richard's only wife.



One wonders why this should be the case when the evidence of the Pole-

Langford marriage was initially presented by F.N. Macnamara in his

book, Memorials of the Danvers Family, back in 1895. However, I've

found that historians are notoriously bad genealogists. In this case,

the author of the ODNB article missed both the Danvers book and the

published abstract of the Chancery proceeding which proved the Pole-

Langford marriage.



Be that as it may, I recently found a brief mention of Alice

Langford's husband, John Stradling, and their daughter, Anne

(Stradling) Danvers, in the book, Llyfr Baglan, published in 1910.

This work is based on pedigrees collected by John Willisms in the

period, 1600-1607. On pages 279, the following information is

presented:



"This Sr Edward [Stradling] had to his brothere John Stradlinge,

knight, who ma. w'th the heire of dauncie in wilshir and had issue sir

Edmond, who had issue John and Edmond; John had issue the ladie

dauers, of whome the davers, hungerfordes, fynes and levets and a

great p'genye of theme are descended, and of the said Edmond cometh

Carnysoyes of Cornwall.").



Comments are invited.



Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah





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